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Got company staying over tonight (unexpectedly) so I'll be quiet at game start but I'll be catching up and dusting off my MS Paint skillz throughout the workday on Monday  GLHF
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Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient!
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On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around
On March 06 2024 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around the one that happens to start on the first day after seeing some red?
More like alcohol poisoning after hanging out with an old friend all Sunday, combined with ramen that was way too spicy. Practically had an out-of-body experience.
But, don't want to distract current ongoing discussion too much; I'm up to page 30 and am finding it interesting that some of the people who were being discussed the most back then are now seemingly not being brought up as much, so it's going to be interesting to review how discourse evolved here. Trying to keep an open mind as I catch up so I'll post my reads once I do so.
On March 06 2024 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
Let's let him play
Thank you.
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On March 06 2024 04:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around On March 06 2024 00:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 00:42 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:34 Jealous wrote:
Hi, vanilla town reporting. After losing yesterday to being ill, I'm going to be catching up over the next few hours. Will share any thoughts/reads I have as I do so. Thanks for being patient! The old 24 hour flu I hear that's going around the one that happens to start on the first day after seeing some red? More like alcohol poisoning after hanging out with an old friend all Sunday, combined with ramen that was way too spicy. Practically had an out-of-body experience. But, don't want to distract current ongoing discussion too much; I'm up to page 30 and am finding it interesting that some of the people who were being discussed the most back then are now seemingly not being brought up as much, so it's going to be interesting to review how discourse evolved here. Trying to keep an open mind as I catch up so I'll post my reads once I do so. On March 06 2024 00:45 iamperfection wrote:
Let's let him play Thank you. So are you gonna play or what
Finally caught up, read the whole thread. Now, time to parse the quotes I selected as interesting/potentially AI and make a reads list.
In the meantime, do want to say that I think the mafia!Vivax fake claim story doesn't make much sense to me, so I'm going to vote Vivax for mayor. I will admit that it took me a while to figure out why it wouldn't make sense for him to fake claim, so I appreciate everyone here who put in the effort to explain it and opine on it.
##mayor Vivax
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On March 06 2024 06:36 Palmar wrote:
I guess it's become my duty to play spot the mafia.
VE looks a little worse btw
Can you elaborate? I had to catch up on a lot of stuff but I don't think I saw too many concrete examples of things I'd consider to be outright bad. VE is one of the people I haven't felt too strongly about while reading their posts so I'm wondering what you're seeing and what I'm missing as I draft my reads.
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Whoops, should have refreshed the page before posting. Catching up again.
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On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar.
I honestly got the impression that marv vs. Palmar was likely to be TvT but I can see it from this POV, too. Solid post, I'm liking my town read on Koshi.
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On March 06 2024 07:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:11 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 06:36 Palmar wrote:
I guess it's become my duty to play spot the mafia.
VE looks a little worse btw Can you elaborate? I had to catch up on a lot of stuff but I don't think I saw too many concrete examples of things I'd consider to be outright bad. VE is one of the people I haven't felt too strongly about while reading their posts so I'm wondering what you're seeing and what I'm missing as I draft my reads. I earlier said he was town based on tone. I'm just downgrading that to I don't really know what he is. I don't have any particular reason to think he's scum, but I also haven't really bothered much with him. I'm mostly just dumping reads in the thread. It's almost 3 am in Iceland so I need to go to sleep soon.
Alright, I can accept that, even though I can't say I really like it. I get that with experience with others and with playing this game, you might have gut reads you can't explain, but even if we assume that this is all that is, "I'm mostly just dumping reads in the thread" doesn't feel very productive nor does it make me view you in a more favorable light; compare to Koshi's post, for example. But. maybe that's just me. Maybe I'm too uptight about such things. But, I do appreciate the honesty at least.
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Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is.
All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me.
Anyway:
1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games.
2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else.
+ Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible
3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:
I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote:
Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote:
I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less.
4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel.
5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote:
I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO.
6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk.
7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct.
8) Jealous - I am VT.
9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players.
+ Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back.
10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game.
11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above).
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me.
12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote:
I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂
VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again.
13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive.
+ Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly.
14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts?
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia.
15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature.
16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not.
+ Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote:
Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package.
17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read.
+ Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv.
18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets.
19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious.
+ Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me.
20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out.
Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon.
21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot.
FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc.
+ Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:
would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously.
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11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be against** the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb.
^ ETA.
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Can someone do me a big solid and make, like, a really short list of why Trfel, why JAT, etc.? Like:
1. Because Trfel said this.
2. Because they did that.
vs.
1. Because JAT said this.
2. Because Trfel did that.
Can't take too long and it seems like some people have strong convictions here and I just want to know what I could be missing while catching up on 100 pages earlier today (and probably in the 51 tabs I ended up closing without re-reading).
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On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me.
Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to):
On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it.
Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything.
But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward.
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On March 06 2024 08:34 Koshi wrote:
Oh man. Just search for tfrel in my filter and you will read all the things why he is mafia.
oof if he flips mafia I will have to vote rayn next. It's all in my filter.
Thanks, I'll take a look and come back with some quotes if I find them. Do remember really liking your posts from ~24 hours ago if memory serves correct.
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So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel.
+ Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ.
2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange.
3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
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On March 06 2024 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago.
Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks!
On March 06 2024 09:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop. The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing. So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh.
Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff.
To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry.
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On March 06 2024 09:17 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. What happened to your cake read?
I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM.
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On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position?
So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
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On March 06 2024 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. What happened to your cake read? I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM. You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”??
Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience:
13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly.
I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here.
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On March 06 2024 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:36 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. What happened to your cake read? I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM. You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”?? Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience: 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here. ??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy
Yea, I didn't like them, hence not great/unproductive, which is almost exactly what I wrote in the post you're dissecting? I feel like you're manufacturing a semantics issue when there really isn't one. The fact remains that - before I was reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop - I thought both him and rayn would have been better lynches than CopCake. I don't see any contradictions in anything I've said.
How about you, who do you think are scum? What are your reads atm?
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On March 06 2024 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:05 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:36 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:17 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 09:14 Jealous wrote:So, here is what I found in Koshi's filter re: Trfel. + Show Spoiler [Koshi x Trfel] +On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big. On March 05 2024 08:01 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:31 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia. I don't like it at all. I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly. Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing? Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team. If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players. Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody. On March 05 2024 10:03 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 09:52 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions. On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no? I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play) Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play. For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out. He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that. On March 05 2024 20:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course. On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. --- Tangentially related: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=96#1906So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because: 1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further. Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb. What happened to your cake read? I still have it but I am less convinced about CopCake than rayn because I don't recall her seeming outright scummy, just not great/unproductive townie with a potentially questionable out-of-game statement, and though I struggle to understand CopCake sometimes, she's still miles ahead of Alakaslam in that department for me. So, she is the least lynchable of those three in my book ATM. You literally pointed out scummy things in your list post and now you are backtracking to “not Great unproductive townie”?? Double-checked to make sure I wasn't having a stroke, here is what I said again just for convenience: 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. I think my messaging has been pretty consistent here. ??? Your spoilered part specifically calls out posts you think are scummy Yea, I didn't like them, hence not great/unproductive, which is almost exactly what I wrote in the post you're dissecting? I feel like you're manufacturing a semantics issue when there really isn't one. The fact remains that - before I was reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop - I thought both him and rayn would have been better lynches than CopCake. I don't see any contradictions in anything I've said. How about you, who do you think are scum? What are your reads atm? You fully colored copcakes name but only half colored slams name. What you described in your list post isn’t “unproductive” it’s scummy. Like idk why you are trying to portray differently now but that’s not how your initial post was like. Idk maybe read my filter?
Yea, because I find Alakaslam harder to read, which inherently means I can't be certain of his alignment but I can be certain that I don't think it helps town to be the way he is and that's why if I had to pick, I'd lynch him over CopCake. At least I can understand CopCake more often.
To put it another way, if someone posts like Race Bannon - basically unintelligible gibberish - it's not really possible to have a strong scum read on them, but you can definitely feel like the game would be better off without them and make it easier to figure out, I guess? That's my thinking.
But, this is all frankly irrelevant now that I have been reminded that Alakaslam role-claimed cop. Would be foolish to lynch him D1 IMO, and again, trains aren't there anyway.
Re: filter, okay, will do.
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I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order"
+ Show Spoiler [Links] +
So we have:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
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Seem right, @Oats?
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^ Fixing:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
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On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have.
With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something?
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On March 06 2024 12:08 die_meatbaby wrote:
thats it dp is next lynch
I'd want an updated read list from you, and from @DarthPunk, before I'd ever consider it TBH. I feel like I read him and a few others as basically super-town, like a situation where if one of them is mafia then they all have to be mafia, which just does not seem plausible from some of the most active and productive players here. By comparing your list and his, I'd be able to evaluate my own read on the situation and figure out whether your worldview makes sense to me or whether his does, and then decide accordingly.
But as of now, I don't see myself voting for a DP lynch.
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On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion.
Rayn, Slam, Marv, VE and Jacob.
What a list.
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On March 06 2024 12:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 12:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT. On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
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vote trefl This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT... Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB. agree this looks bad. I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night. Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba Justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not. Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle Doesn't matter where anyone is if those both are town.
I mean, do we really think scum!sandroba jumps from JAT to DMB and then to Trfel when there was no clear threat of shennanies and thus no need to hammer Trfel? It just wouldn't make sense, or am I missing something?
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On March 06 2024 12:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay do you think i am bussing all of my scumbuddies except for Oats since all of my mafia reads at the time are in your black column?
Sorry, gonna have to ask you to elaborate who your mafia reads are, and at which specific time/post you are talking about. I don't have a "black column" that was my analysis on Oats' filter, so I want to make sure you're thinking of the correct post.
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Probably going to call it an evening now btw, to-do for tomorrow:
1. Catch up on thread, follow up on anything worth following up on such as the previous two posts.
2. I want to take a look at DP's reads until now and make a post like the one I made for Oats and Trfel.
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Catching up now, going to start with the easy stuff first then respond to rayn's question from last night ET because I think that is more interesting/involved to get into.
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On March 07 2024 00:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:39 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote:
Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town) it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it... i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice. You just dont want to understand. 🫨 that's just wrong. im the fucking best town player in this game with JAT even if i am wrong on you and those plebs almost lynched him. Rayn listen to me for a moment please. You’re doing this thing you always do where something doesn’t make logical sense to you and drawing the conclusion it must come from mafia. I think it’s really quite unlikely CC is mafia. Her play feels quite different to when we were mafia. There I struggled to get her to do much other stuff than defend herself. Which is fair enough. Here she has a bunch of crazy opinions and is constantly sticking her neck out. The simple explanation is she is super into the game and is thinking about things in a way you don’t grasp and doesn’t make sense to you. She’s playing like some blend of town Koshi/Vivax. Just consider it for me please
I don't want to get too in the weeds here but this is part of my frustration/desire to just lynch CopCake and call it a day. Basically, if we assume the following:
town!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
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scum!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
However, I will admit I like what her posting brought out of rayn in my absence, so perhaps I am being a bit too harsh here. Then again, it feels more like rayn putting a lot of work to untangle what CopCake is saying, more so than CopCake saying good things, IMO.
TL;DR: I can be convinced to lynch vote someone else with a strong case against them, but CopCake's interactions so far make me think this might be a good lynch in general.
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On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote:
I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too.
Generally speaking, when I have to catch up on a bunch of stuff, organizing stuff this way helps me analyze the game.
Not too much to be too confrontational about in D1 at that point. If anyone had super strong scum reads at that point besides activity/policy lynches then I'd like to know what kind of crystal globes they are using (or, maybe they are trying to deflect attention/cause a ML?). If it was D3 then that'd be a different story IMO.
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On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote:
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example.
Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis.
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On March 06 2024 23:46 Vivax wrote:Why did I townread this guy again. This is a post with lots of surface level effort and zero value.
My thinking was that it would be good to have these laid out already in case Trfel flipped scum, or to analyze why someone might be pushing a wagon on her, though now I'm realizing it would have probably been smarter to wait until we got the results of the lynch. Town!Trfel reads are, of course, less useful. So, yea, while I think that this call-out by you is a bit harsh, I do get it.
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On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip.
Can you explain this part, please?
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On March 07 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:
People really thinking the tea thing serious when it was just a enganging thing smh.
This is almost entirely unrelated but I want to clarify that it wasn't because you were RPing about a tea party specifically. I was making an analogy between how you seem to make reads in a way that is more akin to divination. As in, the actual practice of reading tea leaves, like your earlier example of favorite animal -> shark -> Shockeyy must be scum. Allofmywut.jpg
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I get that you guys know each other, but could we maybe not shit up two pages with out-of-game devolutions to Alakaslam-tier posting? Makes it tougher for others to catch up and makes their eyes glaze over when reading, which is how I missed the Alakaslam cop claim in the first place. I'm sure you guys are all friends on Discord and are probably in the same channel somewhere or something.
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On March 07 2024 04:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 04:28 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. Can you explain this part, please? Well if you are mafia on TvT wagons - on which one would you rather be? The one who gets outed as town immediately or the one who won't bring you under scrutiny until later on? Trfel was always the front runner and mafia prefers to be on the counter wagon.
Gotcha, makes sense, thanks! I was just interpreting what you wrote the completely wrong way and it wasn't making sense to me because, well, I was the one interpreting it wrong lol.
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On March 06 2024 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:19 Jealous wrote:Okay I had like 51 more tabs with quotes up but fuck it, this post is already too bloated as is. All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with). Definitely some reads that I am probably getting wrong because I haven't played with many of you and have not played many games here period so I have to interpret how others are reacting to that poster's behavior (ex: Alakaslam is just schizoposting but that seems to be NAI for them based on how little attention it is getting). Also, I know this isn't saying much given basic probability and etc., but the majority of interactions/slapfights/finger-pointing felt very TvT to me. Anyway: 1) raynpelikoneet - Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn from what I can tell/my experience. I certainly don’t think he should be bailed out by other posters whose conduct I was unimpressed with, like CopCake. Seeing other people I am more confident in believing to be town having the same impression has helped me feel a bit more confident in my gut read here. Having played and successfully read rayn as scum in the past, this feels a lot like that time. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 00:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
i mean anyone who thinks iamp is mafia has to be either fucking insane or mafia. Which means you should be casing DP instead of playing the drama queen which you are not doing. Which is why you are within your scumrange. ^ Agreed, even though I also agree with rayn that iamp is not mafia. Seems like a pocket attempt to me. On March 05 2024 06:34 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax, my point is (as i tend to think other's point is as well);
If you are helping mafia, it doesnt matter to mafia if you are elected as mayor. I understand what you're saying, and yes i can be 100% more certain that i am town than you are, others can't. But i don't understand why we should elect a mayor who is effectively not helping the town, for instance by roleclaiming for no fucking reason... I can understand people thinking as town, that Vivax is 99% town and rayn is maybe 80 or what the fuck ever % town and still best shot at winning the game is electing rayn. I can understand that, and it's not scummy. Like i am considering electing Slam over you, if it comes to that, just because Slam can be reasonable, more likely. Because what i just read over the couple of pages from you does not seem reasonable. Dumbest thing I read. Slam is more reasonable? Ok rayn. ^ Agreed with Koshi on this. “Slam is more reasonable” is not what I’m seeing in this game. On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. ^ Did not like these posts from rayn at all. “Look at my stats guys, c’mon, I’m town.” Then blathers on about so much stuff that is barely relevant as if this is Chapter 12 in a long saga of some sort and not isolated incidents/games. 2) Oatsmaster - Don't feel too strongly about it; I didn't find their early posts to be all that bad. Some of the later unsubstantiated reads/posts, not as much; they kinda rubbed me the wrong way, like a person trying to deflect attention from themselves onto someone else. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible 3) DarthPunk - Probably one of my strongest town reads at the moment. Was pushing the game forward from the very start, and in general I find myself agreeing with his reads on others. Spends time and effort reviewing his reads/tunnels on others, updates his reads publicly and without prompting at times. The concern I have is that he could be just a smart + experienced mafia who is doing a good job of looking townie, but I guess time will tell. Some posts of theirs I liked: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:01 DarthPunk wrote:OK having just read Jacob's filter from this game and his last town game, gun to my head I would probably say town, he is posting 'freely' and there are a few times he volunteered reads + Show Spoiler +On March 04 2024 18:01 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay I'm backish, currently sick so I may drop out for a few hours at a time to just sleep shits exhausting.
It's totally within DP's Meta to be question presuring and smug but as I said before I'm not going to think about him for a good while otherwise we'll get another JSL v TTT event.
Slam is interesting. I'm using all my power to not instantly Cheziu vote them.
Ray always seems like the most reasonable person ever to me but this might be because I don't think I've ever been in a ray scum game. This said I would vote for them for Mayor behind myself.
Cake Cop's gender identity has thrown my read of them entirely off which is strange I didn't realise it would do that I'll have to start reading them again.
I'm not sure who it was but someone came into the thread and was like hey three pages and no votes bah but then in the vote thread doesn't seem to have voted either. On March 05 2024 08:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:Okay I've been reading for like an hour and only up to page 55 but oh boy was it a "Fun" night. this is just up to 55 haven't seen anything after that. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Moving Oats to town. I thought he spammed too much at the time and his question to the host felt like something he could have done in PM land but the fact he felt the same way about JS looking scummish early probably means we think more alike than not.
So I‘m at:
Town: DP, Rayn, Oats, TTS
Good nulls : Marv
Null/need to read more: MZ, cop, Slam
Bad nulls: VE, Sandroba
Mafia: Trfel Okay I'll just open up replies of interest from when I was sleeping and then combine them all later it might look a bit discombobulated. Do you still think I'm scummish? If so where am I on the list? Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't understand the case Vivax, can you sum it up? Yeah I'm not seeing Sando being bad from this either she was like exactly I changed my mind. Seemed town in play as far as I could tell. (following up with later posts sando being in mason with marv and not being seen as scum by marv is also good) Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff” I also did get this impression a bit but I might be biased by last game Koshi being mafia, speaking of I voted for him to see if he got pouty about it. Which they did a very small amount but not sure if alignment indicitive nessesarally. (follow up now that I've read to page 55 both my very slight town reads are voting VE and then Rayn just started mentioning voting VE so I would be happy to "sheep", that said I wasn't super impressed but I know I have a massive cognative bais against Koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote:
I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it. Honestly wtf how? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:46 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Slam there is no point doing anything with. Let mafia deal with him and if he’s alive in X days revisit it. Vivax is prob role-blocked and killed however now if not elected. If elected we are probably tying up a possible rb on him forever. Either way we lost one protective role for town, but now we have to think about how to minimize the damage or make the best situation out of it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that. Okay I see the logic of tying up a role block forever on him but... if mafia (although I find it almost certain he isn't) I feel like I would prefer a strong town later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:37 iamperfection wrote:
Copcake goes up several town tiers for borderline cheating This is kinda fair. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote:
I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't feel mafia vivax would do this without this much pressure like don't get me wrong that's actually a play I can see someone making or... I could see someone convinced into by their scum team but I don't know if they would have used jailkeeper for that claim and also what about counterclaim risks as mafia? No I think vivax is town. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:11 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves. Eh, let them decide. It is far from shitting up the thread. If that bothers you, you should be shouting me down honestly. It bothers me that marv kinda forced the sandroba read on us because "mason stuff". Really bad going forward to approach it like that. Ehh was already reading sandro as pretty town. Think the mason hate is weird. Anyway will disapear again until I catch up from page 55 On March 05 2024 09:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:15 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:14 die_meatbaby wrote:
@copcake my tea is getting cold and I ate already a lot of the hand baked biscuits.I am waiting for you to tell me the real tea about you that I should know. I hope I didn't bake this exquisite pastry for the wrong person. What is this the newest issue of modern grandma Found this really funny, not helpful I know but I like it. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. What is Rayn's Scum range I probably need to know. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:38 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 05:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 05:32 DarthPunk wrote:
I don’t think Rayn is outside of his scum range btw. So you thinks it's possible scum rayn masoned marv willingly We don't even know what marv is. Besides, why shouldn't he? It's like you think masoning marv is equal to running naked and heavily armed into a military encampment. I mean if Marv was town quite possibly but not for a player like Ray who while I've only seen the town play but I know it's strong and strong early which is why if town being mayor would be an advantage compared to say dp who's town game is only strong later. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:57 Vivax wrote:
I am waiting for JS to offer a behind the scenes picture of what‘s really happening in that marv sandro rayn masonry After a day like this my night post is going to be glorious. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:06 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 05:59 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:57 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny On March 05 2024 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:51 iamperfection wrote:
I do find it odd marv isn't posting in the thread I told a couple of hours ago to him that people are gonna scumread him for playing the game only in discord with 2 mason chats ^^ If mafia makes me mayor. I am willing to shoot marv. Just putting that out there. 0 fucks would be given. Great way to not end up as mayor. Koshi can I have a list post? Doesn’t need to be everyone just enough so that I can see where your head is at page 36 and too angry to continue. But town: iamp cuz town best time was in the first pages and he was a driving factor. dp: I wrote 'good interpretation of DP vs Oats' but that seems incorrect. That being said. I don't dislike your copcake stuff but I haven't read it because it doesn't spark anything in me. I am pretty sure I read copcake really good of one of her first posts in a previous game because she backtracked on a story after being called out. So I am waiting on her to fuck up. She is just playing a different game as me here, but not in a bad way. Vivax I like him MZ Ugly posts, but I can see him being town and him finding his way Null Oats Mafia DMB because bad start TheNewGuy because I don't like that entrance Tfrel because reasoning given. Too safe. marv because he can die Okay are you avoiding me specifically or really have no opinion even a null one? Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:16 Palmar wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch. Pretty scummy, I pledge to make my personal lynch a scum lynch. Much better platform. This is funny and as marv says funny palmer is mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
I think Koshi is super townie here.
Also I am going to unvote cake.
##unvote WHY what? *takes deep breath and decides not to tunnel DP again. Would you be able to explain why you are unvoting cake please. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn. Love this. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? I mean after seeing you unvote cake... Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. How is he getting more power? He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story. Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken. It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot. The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town. Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town. Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town. This said good looking post, as sad as it is maybe it's worth keeping vivax alive. I did like him before he roll claimed tbh seemed townish which is why it baffled me all the more that he felt presured enough to claim. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 08:01 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:59 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation? You know mayors can get lynched right bud Are we lynching vivax marv? You miss my point. You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision. Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later But I can also see this point as well. Difficult.... I'm conflicted right now. when he didn't have to this game which was also a notable trait in his last town game. Activity metrics are comparable to his town play and the posting style is quite similar. The only thing that gives me pause is his treatment of me as confirmed town from the get-go, and not wanting to lynch his top scum read over lurkers. These are big reasons to be worried but if his activity stays on track and he doesn't contribute to actively trying to find mafia later then yeet him, but I don't want to lynch him today. His latest posting is really weird, but he posted some out there shit in his last town game to so meh. ^ Example of effort-posting/pushing the game forward. Could be seen as a slight waffle maybe, but I at least get what they are saying and their thought process here. On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
^ I agree with this to the extent that is possible given my knowledge. Another reason I’m in the DP = town camp, because their thinking aligns with my own and I’m town, more or less. 4) Vivax - Basically have to operate on the assumption that they are town at this point, if they are mafia then I don't know shit about fuck and probably shouldn't be playing forum mafia in general. Also similar reasons to DP. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +Some posts of theirs I like: On March 06 2024 05:22 Vivax wrote:
I'm untownreading sandroba upon review.
I think he's too okay with Palmar dying while voting elsewhere and JAT his main scumread is maybe superficially scummy and the ideal target a scum would latch onto.
Plus he called my posts shallow and generally looks like he's just dragging himself along. ^ Even though I don't necessarily agree with it, I think that going against someone who has been supporting you [as far as I recall, it's been a lot of posts] is pretty townie. On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. ^ I don’t see a rayn/iamp/Vivax team as a possibility so measured posts like this one look pretty good to me, like a townie trying to make sure they don’t over-tunnel. 5) sandroba - Similar arguments as for DP, more or less. + Show Spoiler [Why?] + On March 06 2024 05:57 sandroba wrote:
I dunno Palmar feels very off after digesting for a bit. It's not normal that he buddies up to me so quickly, even if he agrees with my takes. If I had been insanely active I could see it, but here it seems he is trying to pocket me. He even exaggerates the fact that I backed off of him and started acting like I suddenly see him as town. The tone he entered the thread in general feels very different as well. It looks more like d4 reasonable palmar after raport has been built and he has a stronger grasp of people's possible alignment than d1 palmar who is more skeptical and has some plan.
^ Not gonna keep reiterating it but posts like these look townie to me. Pointing out inconsistencies in behavior, not letting themselves be pocketed when in theory they might not mind it, doing so unprompted, etc. Can obv. be smart mafia but idk, just feels organic to me. On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. ^ Not as thoroughly convinced as them but this is more townie behavior from sandroba IMO. 6) Trfel - I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk. 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Hard to explain why but I trust this in the context of their other interactions and how their reads on others don’t align IIRC, hopefully one of my later saved quotes elaborates on this. This reads like two townies to me and I’m willing to believe marv’s story and gut here based on their other conduct. 8) Jealous - I am VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Active and seems to be pushing the game forward IMO, find myself agreeing with their analysis of other players. + Show Spoiler [Examples] +On March 05 2024 13:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 09:55 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 09:47 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 01:49 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this. I lost track, what do you think about CopCake? I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows. Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't. This said the Cop case def wasn't meta. On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
[quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better This is a great post. ##vote: Oats Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason? Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake. Dude, make a case on me. I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else. On March 05 2024 01:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 19:39 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good? If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud. Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid. Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia. In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers. Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me. As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT) Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that.
Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time” Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn. First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back. 10) Palmar - I haven’t been really impressed with their play for the most part IMO. Quotes like this one stand out as particularly “meh” to me because why play if you’re not going to read/play? Seems like this is a “Meh don’t try so hard, I’m not” post, and that just leaves me with a bad taste. I know it may be hypocritical of me to say this at this juncture, but low effort town is not a good look and makes me think it might actually just be scum laying out excuses for the future. This is counterbalanced by the fact that the majority of their posts were generally alright and I generally agreed with their line of thinking, making it seem like organic townie stuff. Neutral for now, but I do think I understand why there is a train on them now; I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game. 11) justanothertownie - It almost feels suicidal to be again a the Vivax for mayor narrative so frankly I don't see JAT doing so as mafia and sticking out like a sore thumb. However, I can't put too much weight on this read and I didn't like their analyses as much as others' so I don't have much that makes them absolutely townie either, IMO. Neutral for now, because I don’t think that their head-scratcher posts were AI (though I was tempted to sheep sandroba re: JAT as quoted above). + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? ^ Having a hard time understanding what the point of something like this is, for example. On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. ^ Ironically I agree with basically these reads except for rayn but was an example of where I thought JAT’s opinion mostly aligned with my own, so tough to believe he might be scum. Maybe using the reads to disguise a scumbuddy in there, perhaps? Still, mostly WIFOM stuff for me. 12) die_meatbaby - Another poster whose posts I had a somewhat hard time following conceptually sometimes, but for the most part I didn’t think it was all that bad. Nothing great, but nothing horrible either. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 06 2024 03:39 sandroba wrote:
I had an early town read on dmb, but she has then turned into more of a single threaded bot that only pops in to talk about the vivax claim. Not seeing as many unprompted inputs from her as I would expect from her as town. ^ Can’t say I agree with this with conviction but I can see this as being true to my own experience. I didn’t mind their long list post, though. Spoilered: + Show Spoiler [Long list post] +On March 05 2024 12:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:52 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 Rels wrote:
I will be gone for the next few hours. die_meatbaby when I'm back this evening I would be ecstatic if I find a list post from you, or even who is your biggest scumread and why Rels this is such a hard post to make this early of a game and my opinions will for sure change but for right now this what I think of the players and I know everytime I make a list post people call me scum but as I want to make a favor for a french guy for once in a lifetime here you go… Good TownMe 🙂
VivaxI know the claim was unnecessary if he has no PR. But I would say for sure never what he make such scummy slightly stupid thing as mafia. Too obvious, too high for his mafia meta. Maybe he is just a Townie but I totally understand why he did such a thing. He has trust issues and paranoia with this things you wouldn´t trust on anybody else to vote as a major. But he knows his alignment and it is for sure safer option to have as a major then anybody else right now! I hope he is blue, if not he is at least Town. And you guys know I would lynch him directly if he looks scummy to me. Did it as Town and as Mafia but right now I don´t see any reason to lynch him because he wouldn´t play like this as mafia TownRelshe only has a 2 page filter but he asks very good questions and really tries to help Town. At least that's how it looks to me for now. Could change quickly of course Sandrobahas the same energie as in the last game. Safe for now. Less Town but would have a chance to get TownishKoshi Didn´t like his inactivity at the start of the game. I know him way more active and aggressiv as Town. DPTrfl IAPSlightly scummyJSLMy Dear CC I am sorry but you disappointed me at the teaparty JustanotherTowniejustanotherscum MarvNo Town Marv behavier found MafiaOatsmasterSeems like he just asks a stupid questions and not trying to help us. RaynOn March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. I actually called him a really good mafia player here and his reaction is definitely not townish. No categorySlam illegible god of the gameMZ useless (for me rn) VE I'm sorry but I can't judge you, that would be the same as a doctor measuring the heartbeat of a coked-up guy. The result will probably be wrong Just WTF TotheStars I mean his filter looks worse then the history of my country Not playing jealous Hapahauli This is just OMGUS On March 05 2024 05:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 05:00 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. you rolled so often mafia that your mafia game is insane and i would not vote you as a mayor in any game. There is no way to confince me to vote you as major. I would rather vote on somebody who plays bad mafia. You are not a safe option for mayor def. not. that's bullshit you have not seen me mafia aside from last game and i havent rolled mafia in like 1,5 years before that. She's saying you are too experienced and dangerous as scum to trust you with that on a D1. that would be another bullshit statement. Uhhhhh thats scum rayn getting mad because newbie ruins his scum major plan. Already love this game. I didn´t write any bs just my opinion why vivax claims and why I wouldn´t vote you as mayor only for lynch but not on D1 maybe on d2 I actually agree with them here. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Agreed with them here again. 13) CopCake - I don’t know if it’s because I have a hard time following their mindset/writing, or because of their self-professed “style”, but I just did not find any of their Day 1 play to be all that productive. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 03:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:55 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 03:34 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 03:28 Vivax wrote:
I'm bothered by rayn's reaction here tbh I dont know if it is relevant but he was laughing hard in the other room. that makes him look scum. I loved beeing mafia in the last game because doing random shit like offering my life for HF who claimed blue and provoke other Townies is fun as hell. As Town I take it way more seriously. But maybe thats just me rayn loves to be more town than mafia. He has rolled mafia so many times that he is tired of that. I also prefer more mafia than town unless I get to be mafia three times in a row or so. This feels like the awkward moment where you need to make up for possibly exposing him as scum. Vivax, take a break please and come back. Because I think you know this can’t make sense. You’re just annoyed at the game and people in it and it leads to posts like this. ^ Don’t want to beat it to death but I did not like these CopCake posts, I did like the Vivax and marv posts here. On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake? ^ My thoughts exactly. 14) JacobStrangelove - Another poster that I have a hard time understanding and who doesn’t seem to want to be understood, preferring to talk in weird ways instead of being clear until pressured. Like, what the hell are these posts? + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 14:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching? Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions. You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound. It's a parked vote didn't remember you had voted them at the time, why? Are you afraid they'll be lynched? Did you try and get away with early voting your scum buddy early and it's now scary? I see a deflection case here you think it'll be easy to lynch me to save yourself. I could cover old ground but the reasons you seem scummy are just in the thread. DP's case you havent held up to the preasure very well. The reason for not voting you are purely semantic activity based. You'll only turn more red the more you post if you are part of the evil british army! Oh wait yeah it was the british with red coats in the Napoleonic era huh.... I guess I can be American.... On March 05 2024 14:40 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Now I will say this isn't based on DP's interaction with women that I've seen. He's clearly a stud and women love him. More DP's style of interaction I've put in a box of people who are like that, and seperatally people who are like that interacting with women or woman styled men tend to cause a more stubborn reaction in that same style. So initially based on the gender change I was seeing you as less mafia. 15) Hapahauli - I don't know them but I don't think it would be smart/most people would be disinterested enough as mafia to basically ask to be modkilled. Based on others' reactions, it doesn't seem to be in this player's nature. 16) Iamperfection - I just think that like the other townreads I have, their activity was productive and is more townie than not. + Show Spoiler [Stuff] +On March 05 2024 02:42 iamperfection wrote:
Rels made 2 posts and then seems to disappear despite a lot of stuff happening ^ Bringing this up when they were under no heat of their own and driving the game forward. Small stuff but there were other examples. Of course, we did end up finding out what’s going on with Rels, but this is still good IMO. Just to be clear, not strong on its own, but as part of the larger package. 17) Koshi - Like my other town reads, definitely feels like someone who is trying to push the game forward and catch mafia. We will 100% find out how good of a job they are doing in the near future as we get some flips, but for now, Koshi has been one of the more townie-sounding people I’ve read. + Show Spoiler [Why?] +On March 05 2024 21:10 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? I disagree with that mafia is on board. When I read this thread after 18 or 20 hours in game. There was 1) not enough pressure on mafia. DP tried to put some work in but he was alone. 2) no town circle 3) a 7 page Vivax that blueclaimed and was ridiculed. While a lackluster rayn had 3 times as much votes for Mayor. (or something like that) I am saying that mafia was content at that point in the game. And now it is our job to find a good Mayor. (Which is Vivax because I can't read 1 good argument why he is mafia, the argument he is reckless or stupid is fake!media, it's really a shitshow argument if your alternative is rayn) to vote mafia. Which marv initiated quite nicely & on time. Palmar needs to make a move now and if he doesn't this is a good lynch to create a town circle. Which has not happened yet. I don't even know where to start. I think iamp/DP for their early game. I think CC because she seems full of good intentions. Somewhere there is a good start. On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. ^ Posts like these don’t feel like a mafia!Koshi would be going this hard against a townie!Palmar or defending a mafia!marv. 18) ToTheStars - I don’t find the case against them to be that strong but the difference between what they were posting like at the beginning vs. their notable absence when being pressured by a lot of others makes me think that they are hoping they are just overlooked/forgotten somehow and that people move to new targets. 19) VisceraEyes - Kinda neutral on them tbh; wouldn’t mind a reminder as to why this person might be a good lynch, because frankly I don’t recall anything too egregious. + Show Spoiler [Example] +On March 05 2024 05:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
OMG so much was not expecting so much loooool
People pretending to have reads that mean anything already are fucking awesome, like I can kinda get a read off that stuff but so many are good at faking it. You guys won't have any meaningful reads until flips happen.
I am, actively, doing jack shit. But I'm also not pushing an agenda or doing anything scummy, so energy put into lynching me is wasted.
So you want a mayor that is in here pretending with you guys. I get it. I hear you. I'm just not doing it. I'm not pretending to have reads that mean anything right now. I'm going to lynch someone who is barely posting, someone who ISN'T ME that is barely posting, and that's what I'll do as mayor. You either like that or you don't. I was hoping Slam would come in here and make you guys like it but you can't count on anyone these days.
I'll talk to you guys about who I think is mafia after I see some stuff happen in the thread that is alignment indicative. I don't think how DMB phrased something or how much Oats posted D1 or any bullshit like that is alignment indicative. I like votes, lynches, who pushes what and why. We don't have that D1. We have activity. So that's what I'm running on bish. You don't like my activity level? Then you agree with my premise and should vote me as mayor rather than someone who could be mafia. ^ I don’t think this is necessarily productive but I can also resonate with this and seems like a townie wanting to prevent a mislynch more than a cornered scum to me. 20) Rels - Maybe I’m just getting loopy at this point but I really don’t remember much of anything that Rels did. Going to not be too judgmental right now but worried about a scum taking a back seat here. Going to keep an eye out. Update as I was writing: Seems there are family issues there, will be willing to let them live for now and hope things get better soon. 21) Alakaslam - Can't outright say they seem scummy but I certainly don't understand what the fuck they are saying most of the time, which to me means that they are not playing in town's best interest, which means I wouldn't mind seeing them gone and we might get a mafia lynch for it to boot. FWIW I get that they went through a rough time recently; in fact IIRC I spoke to them in a blog somewhere about it. But then, why join this game? Why “play” like this? Maybe they are riding on “just Alakaslam things” as an excuse? Etc. + Show Spoiler [Waste of time] +On March 05 2024 14:40 Alakaslam wrote:
Honestly I am being honest I swear to my honesty honest to God
I edit my posts and read before posting honestly I swear to honest On March 05 2024 14:41 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 14:40 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 14:31 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 14:30 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:
would dp come after me as mafia? im guessing no? Why not? Nothing sticks so he can sling shit any direction. Ok saying that reminded me of a rant he made not long ago Retracting the SR. Actually might be a hard TR for DP now actually. What are you taking about? Since when did you scum read me lol? Several times, actually! But people don't read me this game and I think I should not blame them for that. I waffle on you faster than a windshield wiper on full speed What rant are you taking about? I'm just going nuts over here, don't get too worried about it. If you don't like me scum reading you, wait like 5 seconds On March 04 2024 22:02 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:42 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 21:41 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:42 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 04 2024 15:35 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote:
Why are you so obsessed with me? I want to know your alignment. Yes, obviously. Anyone else? Man you make me suspect you. Still lynch vivax if by some faerie magic, I am actually elected mayor. Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch. Dammit, I have to filter you for your questions, don't I? What are you talking about? I was talking to cake here? Yeah and you're being Oats at her.Whatever, flavor means varyIng things to varying flavor. You can't personality read and I should give grave for that to both you and Oats. Got it out of my system. No slam. Cake is legitimately scummy here. 1.) She came into the thread roleplaying and while that in itself is not scummy she also did not contribute anything at all until2.) I try to engage her about her reads and then she instantly calls me mafia and says I am not trying to solve the game which is: a.) objectively untrue and b.) hilariously ironic for someone who had until I had asked her for reads had literally only roleplayed a tea party. 3.) she then says that she was actually playing the game with the role play and in fact was interacting with her town circle. but 4.) Actively avoided engaging with me about her town reads or why they formed much too early in the game to be called a town circle 5.) she was caught as mafia for that exact same reason day 1 last time she was mafia. These points are fair. And I haven't the recollection of last time she was mafia so I will have to cede that to you. Wait What? Literally last game we played together i was mafia o_O Doesn't mean I remember it. I am in a bad divorce that had me thinking about whether I could find a country to do assisted suicide that would notify of my death but not call it a suicide so I could still give my family a life insurance payout. Fortunately I realized how many people that would hurt, and that I was plotting a serious crime to boot. But shit isn't going well at all for slam. So I can't remember jack shit. ^ Why are you here then? Sorry, but seriously. Let's assume youre telling the truth here about not reading Slam has claimed. Let's also assume you have actually read my posts since you're calling me mafia. The people i consider mafia, at this point, are Palmar, VE, Trfel, possibly DMB and JAT. Not only ALL of those reads are in your possible scum list, and i have also made a case on Slam earlier on in the game. I also agree with all of your town reads. This doesn't give you ANY PAUSE at all in rayn being mafia? I find it unlike your reads are actually sincere.
First things first, calling it a "possible scum list" when it mostly has people I'm clearly pretty neutral on is probably not how I'd put it, but I also don't think you're dumb enough to try to misrep my own reads to me. So, I'll just take it at face value as what I'd call my neutral list = what you'd call a possible scum list.
Secondly, yes, and there is plenty of pause in the words I used to explain things, because as I said in a recent post, I find it basically impossible to have strong scum reads on D1, assuming no one fucks up egregiously. So, phrases like:
"All reads are shitty D1 reads, shitty for obvious reasons (not much concrete info to work with)"
"Hard to have a strong scum lean at the moment but rayn's behavior isn’t not mafia!rayn"
"my gut read"
I think those are indicative of the fact that I am still trying to keep an open mind here. It's just that out of everything I had seen up until that point, you were one of the people whose conduct I found the hardest to justify if it were to be coming from town!rayn, and the fact that my town!reads pointed out the same things I saw made me feel more confident in that. I'm not fully dug in; if you start catching confirmed scum, my read will change a lot.
As for what I think is the actual question is here, namely:
"Does scum!rayn having the same reads as a townie make sense here?"
1. Let's explore a scum!rayn perspective:
First of all, my reads could just be straight up wrong - as in, I am town reading scum and scum reading town - so it would be very advantageous of you as scum!rayn to claim to have the same reads as me (besides my read on you, of course). Second of all, I don't think you would be able to just outright ignore me calling you potentially scum, so you'd probably have to respond to this regardless, and coming back with "my town reads are the same as yours, how can I be scum?" can be an one way of doing so, instead of say arguing against the quotes I brought up in my list against you (which I would have found to be more interesting, potentially; why is my read on you wrong besides the fact that we have the "same" reads?). Thirdly, you could eventually circle back around to "Jealous is town" to try to get me off your case and curry favor with me, as follows:
On March 06 2024 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I take back my scumread on Jealous a little bit but i still want him to explain why he thinks i am mafia when all my mafia reads are in his scum pool.
^ Note that I believe I had not yet posted anything new in between your previous read and this one, if I recall correctly.
On March 07 2024 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna say it now if there is mafia hiding it is DP.
Palmar, VE, Meapak, DMB, maybe Jealous.
If not one of those it's either TTS or DP, and i think afking completely is a shit thing as mafia, so i dont think TTS is mafia.
^ I'm not gonna read too much into me now being listed as a "maybe" because as I said above, I don't believe in strong D1 reads and I used a lot of soft language like that in my own reads, so I think this is NAI but still wanted to point it out as part of the progression of reads on me while I was wholly absent.
On March 07 2024 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Jeslous is town.
^ As soon as I come back and start responding to some stuff that happened overnight, suddenly I'm full town, with no real elaboration. To be fair, I kinda think that the fact that you just throw that out there with no substantiation isn't all that bad; I might have been more concerned if you were to manufacture some reason for why your read on me changed so drastically so quickly. Saying it this way makes it feel like more of a gut read to me. But, still worth noting.
So, do I think a scum!rayn could have the same reads as me?
I think the answer is yes. But, it's not like I'm dug in on you completely.
Do I think that a town!rayn being misread by me could have the same reads as me, and do all of the stuff above?
Sure, I think it's plausible, but I don't think I've seen too much that makes me think this is more likely at this juncture. Though, as I said earlier, I liked your posting over the past night, even if it was just mostly unravelling CopCake. I liked seeing posts like these:
On March 06 2024 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 23:33 CopCake wrote:
And I also white knightef Tfrel and I have no shame to say that.
Me and dmb probably only disagreed in our men.
She is pro vivax
I am/was pro rayn Yet neither of you did absolutely nothing to get your common scumread DP lynched and you both "scumread" each other. Looks fucking fishy to me.
Looking forward to seeing more, with perhaps more productive targets.
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Oh, forgot to add that as I was reading rayn vs. CopCake, I was thinking "is this MvM, TvM, or TvT?" and frankly I can see a world where any of those are true, though I do admit it felt like TvM would be more likely; anyone have any opinions on that discourse?
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On March 06 2024 14:12 CopCake wrote:
You can be scummy but you are town
Slam, dmb and me follow in this category
And I think Slam asking the smart questions was pretty townie and shouldnt be questioned, if I remember correctly, he doesnt do that as mafia.
And ofc I am town so.
vs.
On March 06 2024 14:37 CopCake wrote:
Like
Forget your friendships and metas and think who is actually approaching the game in a town manner.
That is why I like koshi and oats
"Me and the two people I liked from before this game started are all conveniently looking scummy but are town, but btw forget your friendships and metas and think who is actually being town."
Tf?
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On March 07 2024 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Some mafia theory.
We ended the day with basically 3 afks.
Jealous, TTS, Hapa
One of them got policied and flipped town. Posted nothing basically.
One didn't vote and probably forgot about the game.
The third went tornado mode with a sloppy catchup.
I want to hear Palmar because he's supposedly the best at this kind of stuff: If there's mafia among the three, which one is it going to be?
Sorry but that's gotta be basically a misrep. Insulting, really.
On March 07 2024 00:27 iamperfection wrote:
I wanna workshop something. I felt like jealous posting was very clean and non confrontational. Very clean for someone who had a ton to catch up to too.
^ At least one person said the exact opposite, and others seemed to have no trouble following it. The only thing I can think of that was "sloppy" about it was the one part where I meant to quote/link Palmar but didn't.
So, what part of that post was "sloppy?" What did you not like about it, and how was it AI?
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On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth.
I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town.
I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads.
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On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.
That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous.
Understandable. Hoping you engage more directly with the game itself, though; could be a good distraction to really involve yourself in scumhunting instead of (at least in my eyes) being mostly on the outskirts throwing random posts here and there.
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On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ?
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
As I see it you had Palmar as scummiest of the three but you avoided bringing him up again. But you could have in accordance with what others wanted. I know I might have saved a mafia by not wanting him dead, but I also committed. You didn't when he was the closest option to JAT and Trfel which you found scummier than the two in my understanding.
My conclusion on Palmar: "I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game."
Let's remove JAT from the equation briefly, due to what I just wrote above. Let's then compare the above statement to what I wrote about Trfel:
"I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk."
Koshi then made a case on Trfel that I could understand, and I view Koshi as very town. So, I think that is a sufficient explanation for why I parked on Trfel; if that isn't enough conviction for you, then I guess it is what it is. By my estimation, that is enough, given the circumstances (D1 + catch-up).
As for not pushing rayn and cop instead, one can let it slide but you actually got handed a decent amount of trust anticipation based on your good looking list, initially. Why the expectation that you shouldn't have had thread pull?
Hmm, I guess because I was just recently on people's policy lynch lists (and thus scum reads), and rightfully so due to my inactivity? I don't expect strong, experienced mafia players to be so fickle as to go from seeing me as inactive!town at best and inactive!scum at worst to sheep my D1 reads that I myself called shitty D1 reads. Instead of trying to shift the narrative to "no no, we need to lynch Rayn/CopCake," I'd rather spend the time I had left until vote to understand "why Trfels or JAT," which is what I did.
Do you not make anything of Rayn first pushing Palmar now backing off while Palmar is doing exactly the opposite?
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it.
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On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote:
As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel.
If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon.
I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as.
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On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:@ Jealous Show nested quote +I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads. You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort.
It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile...
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy.
Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this:
On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.
So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing.
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:Not just that: Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT.
Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
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On March 07 2024 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote:
As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel.
If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon. I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as. Sure but you didn’t mention this at all when making your vote, going back and saying that’s the case doesn’t mean that you were thinking about it when you made the vote
Here are the two posts showing that I basically followed Koshi's logic, which is what I am claiming. Even has a reiteration of my JAT logic to boot:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=128#2551
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=130#2589
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On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there. Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ? Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?
Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:
Palmar
JAT
rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)
My perception of the following did not:
VE
DMB
MZ
Rels
Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.
So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).
As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.
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Sorry correction:
Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that Rels' post saying they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels was bad.
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This is the post I was referring to:
On March 06 2024 19:07 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels. I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia. But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch.
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On March 07 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there. Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ? Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ? Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall: Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much) My perception of the following did not: VE DMB MZ Rels Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels. So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight). As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention. It‘s a bit in contrast to this very recent opinion Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it.
Well, I haven't gone through the actual filters yet, so that might change my perception. Again, my perception of rayn improved due to their activity overnight re: CopCake, but as I stated in my long-winded response to rayn in the first place (link for reference) I haven't seen enough to make me think of rayn as now more town than scum at this moment.
If anything, I think that keeping him around over would lead to better things for discussion- and analysis-wise than VE, DMB, TTS, and CopCake, which should thus be more favorable for the town.
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On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town?
Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1)
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment:
What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI.
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here?
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too.
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On March 07 2024 10:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Also Do you have any other scum reads dmb? do you have any other scum reads should i question you eveytime you post something and annoy you like an 5 year old? Do you want this? maybe I could also just write qestions instead of solving the game or at least trying on my own and manipulate the others?
Gonna chime in here because I just asked you a few questions myself. If your goal is to help town, you should feel comfortable defending your scumreads and townreads and answering questions about them. Jumping in and saying "x is scum, my logic is a, b, and c," and if someone asks "why do you believe in c?" you can't just be like "ugh I'm too exhausted to do this." If you wanna play, play, IMO. Just dropping some arguments - which I found to be half-baked, for the most part - and dipping doesn't help town. Who would sheep a read that is weaker than DP's monumental filter and active pushing of the game forward?
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On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear.
Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍
On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head.
This I am having a much harder time following.
If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town?
Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase:
In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?
I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like:
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On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
And the Ve post is good
He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early.
Compassion would be the best description
The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke.
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On March 07 2024 11:00 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 10:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
No I get why not lynching VE early I think everyone gets that, why do you then later say to lynch town VE later? I don´t need do quote Ve or do I? His hole filter looks scummy, but to be fear he always do Okay let me break it down, You said don't lynch VE early. This makes sense. you then say lynch TOWN VE later. ??? why would we lynch town ve later? Lynching SCUM VE would make sense. sorry mistake happens.
Gotcha, you can skip answering my last point then, you misspoke as suspected.
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On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context.
DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO.
I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO.
I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure.
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On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about
VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him
TTS for also completely fucking off
Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group.
JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are:
Sandroba
Vivax
DP
Koshi
I mean, this is so close to being my own list that it's kinda eerie. A few names are missing a few I'd move - Marv and JAT to neutral at worst IMO - but that's about it.
Like I said to rayn, this doesn't necessarily make me think that you're town for this, though.
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On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous?
Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them.
What's your take on rayn if you have one btw?
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On March 07 2024 11:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:01 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍 On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. This I am having a much harder time following. If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town? Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase: In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like: On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
And the Ve post is good
He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early.
Compassion would be the best description The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke. Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read. Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax
On March 07 2024 11:29 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:10 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context. DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO. I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO. I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure. I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.
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On March 05 2024 04:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:12 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:06 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. Nah, if you are against Tfrel you have to cross over me. No one touches him. Ok, tell me who I should look into then and I'll tell you if I agree. mz ve, maybe a no posting person like palmar or hapa how can you look into a person who has posted nothing?
Digging into filters rn and rayn makes a really strong point here IMO. Is this CopCake just trying to name random names to keep people busy/off of scum's trail and getting caught in a logical fallacy?
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On March 07 2024 12:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Jealous that's a quick draw on that vote, love to hear your thoughts on JSL based on the interaction he and I had just prior to the night post
I find it hard to get a read on them, but I do follow your reasoning here (for reference for others) and I think that you may be onto something.
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On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role
Only one way to find out.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
If you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry.
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On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now?
Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined:
Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia +
Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time +
Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller
No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it.
What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning?
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On March 07 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now? Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined: Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it. What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning? You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after
Yea, I'm saying that the probability of all three of those events combined is still less likely than me just being wrong in my read on you.
In other words, if there is a 10% chance of A, 10% chance of B, and 10% chance of C, but a >40% chance of me just being straight up wrong in my D1/N1 reads, I'm going with the >40% chance. Again, props or sorry, whichever happens happens.
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On March 07 2024 12:38 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:35 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:18 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:17 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 12:14 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 12:13 Alakaslam wrote:
Hi
Anyone voting outside of me or Oatsmaster better have a damned good reason Not really sure if you realize that miller is a role Only one way to find out. ##Vote: OatsmasterIf you're confirmed scum, WP. If you flip VT (Miller), I'm sorry. Explain how this makes sense? You thought I was town before the check, why would I not be town now? Because I believe it is more likely that I was wrong in my read on you than the probability of all of the following combined: Alakaslam claiming cop as mafia, getting away with it, and then claiming you are mafia + Alakaslam and a Mafia Framer both targeting you at the same time + Alakaslam targeting you N1 and you happen to be an Unaware Miller No point in overthinking it beyond that IMO. You flip red, I vote red. You get lynched and flip green, we lynch Slam. If you're truly Unaware Miller and Slam is truly cop and is for whatever reason still alive, well, we get fucked. I don't see any other way around it. What alternatives do you propose to the above reasoning? You do realize that framer and miller are independent events right Very ridiculous you are setting up this premise that I’m flipping green and then you yeet slam after Yea, I'm saying that the probability of all three of those events combined is still less likely than me just being wrong in my read on you. In other words, if there is a 10% chance of A, 10% chance of B, and 10% chance of C, but a >40% chance of me just being straight up wrong in my D1/N1 reads, I'm going with the >40% chance. Again, props or sorry, whichever happens happens. Nice taking no personal responsibility for your actions
I guess this is you trying to make me look scummy as a last ditch effort? Meh.
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On March 07 2024 12:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax did you get roleblocked?
I am assuming yes. I don‘t know. You don;t get notified?
From OP:
Players will not be informed if they are role blocked (unless they would otherwise be receiving info)
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On March 07 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:
New theory:
The mafia is slam, Oats, DMB, Rels, marv
Slam gave up D1. Rels is too busy. Oats did his best but can‘t contain all that info leaking out of dmb in the thread and wants to kill her. Slam told him not to and is avenging dmb by fakeclaiming cop to fake a redcheck on his teammate.
Marv is in shambles and just wants to spend a bit of time with Palmar.
New theory:
The mafia is Vivax, Koshi, Slam, JSL, and DP
They go max try-hard master mafia player mode to make themselves appear town and elect Vivax as mayor. Then they claim as many roles as they feel they can get away with knowing that there are so many roles available that they might just get away with a couple of them and thus look even more town. Then they guide us to mislynches, "reveal" townies like Oats as scum, and eventually get the most insane mafia victory of all time, making town look like a bunch of idiots. Their names are engraved on a golden plaque and the TL Mafia section is closed down. JAT and CC get canonized as saints.
/s
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On March 07 2024 10:06 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there. Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ? Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ? Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall: Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much) My perception of the following did not: VE DMB MZ Rels Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels. So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight). As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention. It‘s a bit in contrast to this very recent opinion On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it. Well, I haven't gone through the actual filters yet, so that might change my perception. Again, my perception of rayn improved due to their activity overnight re: CopCake, but as I stated in my long-winded response to rayn in the first place ( link for reference) I haven't seen enough to make me think of rayn as now more town than scum at this moment. If anything, I think that keeping him around over would lead to better things for discussion- and analysis-wise than VE, DMB, TTS, and CopCake, which should thus be more favorable for the town.
So, following up on Rayn vs. Palmar as promised to @Vivax. Going to post the order of events after searching both of their filters for the others' name, for simplicity sake.
X -> Y = X suspects/reads/calls Y scum, neutral, or town. Note.
1351 Rayn -> Palmar, VE
1935 Rayn -> Palmar, Trfel
1943 Rayn -> Palmar, JAT
2082 Rayn votes Palmar; this happened after they had a bit of back-and-forth on a few things.
2902 Rayn -> Palmar.
2955 Rayn -> Palmar
3008 Rayn -> Palmar
3011 Rayn -> Palmar
3020 Rayn -> Palmar
Okay god damn there are like 80 more mentions of his name from this point onward and I am now realizing this was a dumb venture to catalog so I will just point out if/when he changed his mind.
... Okay so holy fuck, I went through Rayn's filter and never once did Rayn actually change his read from Palmar as scum.
I see now that what Vivax said was that he "backed off of" Palmar while Palmar was instead continuing to attack him. Somehow I equated this to Rayn changing his mind, but that never happened.
So, ultimately, I think this is mostly a nothingburger. Rayn was basically pushing Palmar due to meta stuff, and then it seems like Palmar pushed back simply because he doesn't agree with Rayn's meta-read approach? That's what I got by searching for their names toward the end of their histories.
TLDR This was an enormous waste of time IMO. Did find some other things to look into for tomorrow ET, though, so at least there is that.
And with that, I'm gone until then. Night, all.
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On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ
I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too.
However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam.
And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night.
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On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better.
Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip.
Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to.
Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that?
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again?
This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
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On March 07 2024 23:31 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Everyone read post on MZ I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too. However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam. And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night. I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better. Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip. Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to. Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that? On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again? This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum. Why would mafia approach it from this angle at all? What's the motivation in your opinion? As Marv said - they know they won't derail this lynch.
See above, it's what I mean by "sow chaos."
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Oh wow, by above I mean below because I forgot to copy one quote post into another:
On March 07 2024 23:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum.
^ And fill the discussion with more people who are on their side of the WIFOM, which now includes JAT, Koshi, Cop, so that it becomes less clear who is the scum among them.
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"I'm just asking questions bro"
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On March 07 2024 23:36 Jealous wrote:Oh wow, by above I mean below because I forgot to copy one quote post into another: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum. ^ And fill the discussion with more people who are on their side of the WIFOM, which now includes JAT, Koshi, Cop, so that it becomes less clear who is the scum among them.
Oh, and Marv now, too.
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On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:
2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA.
3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus"
3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows.
3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.*
4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia"
4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
So we have:
Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCake
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
@Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why?
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On March 07 2024 23:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:46 Koshi wrote:
I dont want to waste this day because I might have not many left. But I admit my posts here are trash. Ok. I will think and come back with something better.
MZ not sure why you want to shade me for thinking and talking during this dead period. It's not the fact that you're thinking and talking, it's the topic you chose to talk about. If slam somehow flips town tomorrow is gonna be a total shit show but given that he's most likely not we can use this day to effectively plan for tomorrow and then adjust as required with the NKs. There is a lot of uncertainty right now in my eyes with people like Copcake/ DMB/JAT/Marv they would be better topics. We could also discuss VE a bit more, while I'm pretty sold he's lurking scum, some folks may still have him as town so we could be fleshing that out. TTS just needs to get vigi'd at this point.
What do you think of Oats voting DMB right after being called out by Slam? It happened within ~1 minute of one another, wish we could see how many seconds it actually was.
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On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia
Updated list:
Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
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On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct?
2. Why is JAT scum?
3. And why is CopCake town?
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On March 08 2024 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? What do you think about my MZ post and dmb?
It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it.
Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people.
I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment.
RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then.
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On March 08 2024 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? What do you think about my MZ post and dmb? It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it. Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people. I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment. RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then. I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct. That’s fine regarding dmb. You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads?
1) raynpelikoneet - Was scum reading, flipped town.
2) Oatsmaster - Was town reading, have to assume scum.
3) DarthPunk - Still town reading.
4) Vivax - Still have to assume town read.
5) sandroba - Was town reading, flipped town.
6) Trfel - Was neutral, sheeped Koshi's vote reasons, flipped town.
7) marvellosity - Still green.
8) Jealous - I'm VT.
9) Meapak_Ziphh - Was leaning town, still leaning town but not as confident as other reads.
10) Palmar - Was neutral but unimpressed, now thinking town is somewhat likely.
11) justanothertownie - Was neutral, had ups and downs, now back to neutral-ish.
12) die_meatbaby - Was neutral, went down, now I am just withholding judgment until further info.
13) CopCake - Still lynchable to me.
14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to believe roleclaim at this point in time at least.
15) Hapahauli - Guessed town despite policy lynch status, flipped town.
16) Iamperfection - Was town, still town.
17) Koshi - Was town, still town, but am less confident compared to before.
18) ToTheStars - Was leaning scum, that hasn't changed and they've been absent, good lynch IMO.
19) VisceraEyes - Was neutral, leaning scum due to PoE and relative reads to others basically.
20) Rels - Was neutral, still fairly neutral mostly due to lack of impressions on activity, will filter next.
21) Alakaslam - Was leaning lynch/scum/wtf, now have to believe claim at this moment.
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On March 08 2024 02:18 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 02:11 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:49 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:26 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? What do you think about my MZ post and dmb? It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it. Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people. I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment. RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then. I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct. That’s fine regarding dmb. You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads? 1) raynpelikoneet - Was scum reading, flipped town. 2) Oatsmaster - Was town reading, have to assume scum. 3) DarthPunk - Still town reading. 4) Vivax - Still have to assume town read. 5) sandroba - Was town reading, flipped town. 6) Trfel - Was neutral, sheeped Koshi's vote reasons, flipped town. 7) marvellosity - Still green. 8) Jealous - I'm VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Was leaning town, still leaning town but not as confident as other reads. 10) Palmar - Was neutral but unimpressed, now thinking town is somewhat likely. 11) justanothertownie - Was neutral, had ups and downs, now back to neutral-ish. 12) die_meatbaby - Was neutral, went down, now I am just withholding judgment until further info. 13) CopCake - Still lynchable to me. 14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to believe roleclaim at this point in time at least. 15) Hapahauli - Guessed town despite policy lynch status, flipped town. 16) Iamperfection - Was town, still town. 17) Koshi - Was town, still town, but am less confident compared to before. 18) ToTheStars - Was leaning scum, that hasn't changed and they've been absent, good lynch IMO. 19) VisceraEyes - Was neutral, leaning scum due to PoE and relative reads to others basically. 20) Rels - Was neutral, still fairly neutral mostly due to lack of impressions on activity, will filter next. 21) Alakaslam - Was leaning lynch/scum/wtf, now have to believe claim at this moment. Why am I less town? Thread sentiment I guess.
You've been lazy/busy but somehow still have the conviction to not lynch Oats, or at least claim to. Some little piece of me suspects you said that to get reactions, which is supported by you later saying it is terrible. Maybe you're playing around/holding your cards close to your chest. I'm not getting a good read on you recently, and I don't like that, but I'm also not good so I can't judge too harshly.
Still, a lot of your recent posts are "haven't read your filter but X" or just meta-reads (like MZ). Asking questions but not offering too much besides that. It just doesn't feel good. But, not so bad that I'm downgrading you.
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On March 08 2024 03:07 CopCake wrote:
Well, actually, Idk how the whispers thing works, do you get a pm in the day telling you that you can invite someone on discord or do you get it during the night?
You get a PM right after the Day post.
In addition to the usual roles, I will be adding mason chats into this game. At the start of each day I will randomize 2 players to become the whisperers for the cycle. They will be informed of this via PM. These players may (or may choose not to) PM me the name of one player to obtain a Discord chat with them for the rest of the day/night cycle. You may paraphrase discussions that occur, but you may not copy paste the log into the thread. Once the players reduce to 13 or less there will only be 1 whisperer.
^ Does no one read the games they play in? Should be policy to lynch people who don't TBH.
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On March 08 2024 03:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 03:20 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2024 03:15 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 03:13 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2024 02:42 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:36 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
[quote]
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue? But then marv is mafia. That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him? This is the tricky thing. I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous. It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited? What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks. Instead of Oats, sorry if my english is bad. OH yeah I said that already, DP D: I am not a Slam expert. I am very very rarely blue. I haven't formed a blue meta yet And they saw you alive The cop 🥸
What are you implying?
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On March 08 2024 03:55 CopCake wrote:
Why wouldnt they whisper slam?
Is a very good question.
So you just completely changed the subject in the the thread to whispers vs. who Slam would visit without saying anything, and expect anyone to follow?
On March 08 2024 03:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 03:20 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2024 03:15 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 03:13 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2024 02:42 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:36 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:
[quote]
You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro
Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue? But then marv is mafia. That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him? This is the tricky thing. I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous. It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited? What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks. Instead of Oats, sorry if my english is bad. OH yeah I said that already, DP D: I am not a Slam expert. I am very very rarely blue. I haven't formed a blue meta yet And they saw you alive The cop 🥸
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On March 08 2024 04:20 CopCake wrote:
Is it a bad move to whisper the cop? When you know he is alive?
Or why wasnt slam whispered?
These questions can help to answer “why wasnt slam roleblocked”
There are only two scenarios
- Mafia dont see slam as a treat and killed rayn/sandro
- Marv is mafia, his team blocked rayn and killed him
Okay, I see what happened here. You just straight up quoted the wrong post from Slam and were responding to the other thread.
As for why I didn't mason Slam, frankly I'd rather whisper someone who I think is more invested in the game on a more consistent basis, someone who I read town without any role claims. I am operating on the assumption that Slam is cop, so I know his alignment. Why would I whisper him now, then? When we get the Oats flip, we will know what Slam is for sure either way. I'd rather get to know someone who has a strong presence in the thread, drove discourse on D1 as well as both wagons, etc.
All of the protection roles for town can't protect themselves like JK, Doctor, etc. Rayn wouldn't have been able to protect himself anyway. What could have happened is that rayn protected Slam and then got shot, for example. If Slam knew that he was protected - which I don't think is the case, but just for the sake of argument - what would be stopping him from publicly stating so?
You really need to read that OP. Crazy stuff in there.
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On March 08 2024 05:19 Oatsmaster wrote:Id really like to nip this thought in the bud right here, I firmly believe slam is really the cop and I would be extremely sad to see him get lynched after I flip
If you are Unaware Miller, will it be revealed after you are lynched?
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On March 08 2024 05:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
@jealous, dp posted a bunch of what happened in the whisper so far, what do you think of dp at this minute?
My opinion hasn't significantly changed. I thought he was a strong player and one of my strongest town reads. Both of those estimations went up as a result of our discussion. However, as I pointed out to him in the chat, that also makes him one of my biggest blind spots at the moment. Smart player != Most town player.
No communication for the past ~14 hours though likely due to time differences. Sent them a few questions/posts to look at foir when they get back, looking forward to hearing their thoughts on them + when they catch up, too.
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Also want to add that just about everything he posted was accurate to our discussion and he didn't leave anything out, even stuff that I thought he might want to hold closer to his chest IIRC. There were maybe one or two spots where a word may have been missed, or I wouldn't necessarily summarize things that way, like:
"He says marv said they wanted to be masoned"
I said they never saod they wanted to be masoned, as far as I could recall.
However, nothing really major.
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On March 08 2024 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Also I’m sure I was null in your last list post Jealous…
"7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC."
Ref link.
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On March 08 2024 05:50 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:47 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 05:35 marvellosity wrote:
Also I’m sure I was null in your last list post Jealous… " 7) marvellosity - Have mostly been able to follow along with their reasoning even if I don’t agree with all of their reads IIRC." Ref link. I’ve totally misread jealous. The list posts I had remembered were you describing oats’ reads. Apologies!
All good! Harmless mistake, even Oats did the same thing haha
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Just went through Rels' filter. Was reminded about the reasons for his inactivity (hope things are going better!).
During Day 1 they were pretty active but it kinda seemed like they were spreading their attention evenly around on everyone, not really digging too deeply on any one person or discussion topic. They did offer a few concrete stances of their own, seemingly unprompted. They did a lot more of that D2. This makes me think this is more busybuttryingtocontribute!town and less igotstuffgoingonandthatsmyexcuse!scum. There are much better lynch targets at the moment and nothing they did struck me as too shifty nor do I think they've been completely reactionary or lacking in initiative. I was going to ask them for their reads, but thankfully most of them can be found here and they offered them up seemingly unprompted as far as I can tell from just their filter:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=197#3933
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=198#3947
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=198#3953
Overall, no strong feelings but leaning town, definitely willing to let them play for a bit and hope that things get better/we get more meaty reads/analyses like the ones they've posted more recently.
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On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar
On March 08 2024 06:28 Koshi wrote:
TTS is not a good lynch today. I have been disappointed by townies and this could just be that.
DP can shoot him.
On March 08 2024 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oh there is also dmb. Bwaa she can stay alive. We let our Mayor handle that down the line.
On March 08 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me.
On March 08 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:30 iamperfection wrote:
Did you see my point about his comeback post. No I didnt read from my last post during night to when I came back yet. I think I saw something you wrote but I forgot.
* eleted image of a meme**
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On March 08 2024 06:58 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 06:52 iamperfection wrote:
I don't care what the people say about you behind your back. Where are they saying that? It's a joke
I think Darth's was too and I found them both funny
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On March 08 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 06:44 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar On March 08 2024 06:28 Koshi wrote:
TTS is not a good lynch today. I have been disappointed by townies and this could just be that.
DP can shoot him. On March 08 2024 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oh there is also dmb. Bwaa she can stay alive. We let our Mayor handle that down the line. On March 08 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me. On March 08 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 06:30 iamperfection wrote:
Did you see my point about his comeback post. No I didnt read from my last post during night to when I came back yet. I think I saw something you wrote but I forgot. You also misses the part where Jacob claimed gunsmith. If Koshi is a clown, you both are a circus.
Where did I miss it?
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On March 08 2024 07:09 Vivax wrote:
Also don‘t post clowns. Someone here has a phobia.
Should have mentioned it before maybe.
Not me though, I have to look into the mirror before going to work.
Shit, sorry.
Can I get one-time permission to edit the image out of my post?
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Or I guess delete the upload because others have quoted it.
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On March 08 2024 07:27 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 07:26 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 07:09 Vivax wrote:
Also don‘t post clowns. Someone here has a phobia.
Should have mentioned it before maybe.
Not me though, I have to look into the mirror before going to work. Shit, sorry. Can I get one-time permission to edit the image out of my post? He was making a joke you goof.
Oh, I got the joke, I thought the premise was real though lol
Better safe than sorry you know?
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On March 08 2024 07:26 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 06:44 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar On March 08 2024 06:28 Koshi wrote:
TTS is not a good lynch today. I have been disappointed by townies and this could just be that.
DP can shoot him. On March 08 2024 06:30 Koshi wrote:
Oh there is also dmb. Bwaa she can stay alive. We let our Mayor handle that down the line. On March 08 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me. On March 08 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 06:30 iamperfection wrote:
Did you see my point about his comeback post. No I didnt read from my last post during night to when I came back yet. I think I saw something you wrote but I forgot. You also misses the part where Jacob claimed gunsmith. If Koshi is a clown, you both are a circus. Where did I miss it?
This is still misrep or at best you are confusing me with someone else if you don't point out where I made this error @Vivax, IMO.
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Has this become a competition for who can look like the worst player in the game or...?
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On March 08 2024 09:08 die_meatbaby wrote:I don't care whats on page 220 but i will not read anything from that page thanks to who ever that was
My bad on that. Was not informed, and frankly it fit kinda perfect. I already posted a mod question to see if I can be allowed to delete the upload link. I will update you if I get permission to remove it.
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On March 08 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 09:08 marvellosity wrote:
Has Vivax apologised for ruining the elite ‘elect a hidden blue to mayor’ plan that the d1 masons had?
Because it is literally all his fault it didn’t work. He voted for you so I am guessing not. In the politest way possible. Fuck you Vivax for ruining an amazing town plan. The vote I don’t care about, it’s silly. I‘m honestly paranoid that DP attempts to block my scumreads so often. Especially if you and Jealous are really town. He keeps you on your feet as town but he‘s trying to be a moderator too hard here imo. I liked your response here anyway.
Can you explain what my involvement is here in your reasoning? I don't follow.
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On March 08 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:31 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 09:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 09:08 marvellosity wrote:
Has Vivax apologised for ruining the elite ‘elect a hidden blue to mayor’ plan that the d1 masons had?
Because it is literally all his fault it didn’t work. He voted for you so I am guessing not. In the politest way possible. Fuck you Vivax for ruining an amazing town plan. The vote I don’t care about, it’s silly. I‘m honestly paranoid that DP attempts to block my scumreads so often. Especially if you and Jealous are really town. He keeps you on your feet as town but he‘s trying to be a moderator too hard here imo. I liked your response here anyway. Can you explain what my involvement is here in your reasoning? I don't follow. He defended you during the night phase and struggled to agree that it was a valid argument. If you are town you should be suspicious of him.
Would you happen to have a link to that or remember a key word I can easily search for? Phone posting ATM and would prefer to not be doomscrolling 40 pages blindly. Definitely want to take a second look at what you're seeing though.
That reminds me, I got back to you about that Rayn x Palmar thing you wanted me to look into. What were your thoughts on the matter? Have those thoughts changed since the Rayn NK?
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On March 08 2024 09:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:51 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 09:31 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 09:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 09:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 09:08 marvellosity wrote:
Has Vivax apologised for ruining the elite ‘elect a hidden blue to mayor’ plan that the d1 masons had?
Because it is literally all his fault it didn’t work. He voted for you so I am guessing not. In the politest way possible. Fuck you Vivax for ruining an amazing town plan. The vote I don’t care about, it’s silly. I‘m honestly paranoid that DP attempts to block my scumreads so often. Especially if you and Jealous are really town. He keeps you on your feet as town but he‘s trying to be a moderator too hard here imo. I liked your response here anyway. Can you explain what my involvement is here in your reasoning? I don't follow. He defended you during the night phase and struggled to agree that it was a valid argument. If you are town you should be suspicious of him. Would you happen to have a link to that or remember a key word I can easily search for? Phone posting ATM and would prefer to not be doomscrolling 40 pages blindly. Definitely want to take a second look at what you're seeing though. That reminds me, I got back to you about that Rayn x Palmar thing you wanted me to look into. What were your thoughts on the matter? Have those thoughts changed since the Rayn NK? Before end of N1 when I said you were caught because you cleared Jat but not copcake. That thing. Palmar was calling rayn mafia could be wrong could be him trolling or maybe it was red blue blindness. Not reading too much into it atm because the association got cleared with rayn dying.
Thanks, found it:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=183#3654
Yea, I can see what you mean. It's funny because he
basically uses the same logic to put me in his "neutral but most likely to be scum" pile for "pocketing and defending him" at the end of N1.
It's not enough to counteract my TR atm but I'll keep it in mind going forward. Good call-out.
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On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:Just organizing my thoughts VEIf you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia. TTSYes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?
All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town? I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty? He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him. PalmarI feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia.
This is a good post IMO. This is why I like iamperfect in this game.
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On March 08 2024 10:47 CopCake wrote:
You can do it during the day, but after I flip town
DP mafia, always.
He is literally too obsessed with me, nipticking me ( i said the dmb thing from vivax recent list), says i am super mafia but starts wagons on tfrel and jat.
Check palmar, DP, VE
I honestly think rels and koshi are town, rels for tone and koshi for actions.
I know we don't like how the other posts/plays/writes very much but I want to ask that we both put that aside for now just to give you an outside POV on the situation.
I've been scum reading you from the start and attacking positions you've taken but I don't remember the last thing you said about me that could be considered an in-game read or analysis or anything. Yet DP dominates your rhetoric when you're not making 10 posts to get to the bottom of an in-game mechanic, arguing with rayn during N1, or posting fluff.
As for DP, he has spread himself pretty well IMO, talking to a lot of people, about a lot of people.
Have you both talked to, at, about one another more than most duos in the game? Yeah for sure. But is it entirely out of the norm or is it unilateral? Definitely not.
So, I too am puzzled where you are getting this mindset from that you are excessively targeted, or why you respond so defensively to him and not others.
In general I think overly defensive play is a scum tell. I think overly defensive people do exist though - I tend to be one of them and have been misread for it in the past. However, I don't know how to interpret selectively overly defensive people, besides that maybe it's NAI and something that has built up over time beyond the confines of this game.
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On March 08 2024 10:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also while big mad not super mad dp claimed for no reason because at least it means I'm safe while least active.
I do think it is important to remember this, though. I did bring it up to DP in the Mason chat and they reiterated that yea, it looks pretty damn bad for them.
For a brief while I almost entertained that section of my super duper fantasy mafia play (where you, DP, Slam, Vivax, etc. are all mafia, but in this case just you and DP) and that you are both just scum and use this to clear each other and DP shoots an inactive townie and just goes "oops" lol. Obviously this is insanely ballsy, dangerous, and unlikely so I put it away pretty quick. But, the exercise reminded me how dumb it was to claim in the first place, so I wanted to make sure we do remember this as time goes on.
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On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which.
Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason.
Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how.
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On March 08 2024 11:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 10:57 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:47 CopCake wrote:
You can do it during the day, but after I flip town
DP mafia, always.
He is literally too obsessed with me, nipticking me ( i said the dmb thing from vivax recent list), says i am super mafia but starts wagons on tfrel and jat.
Check palmar, DP, VE
I honestly think rels and koshi are town, rels for tone and koshi for actions.
I know we don't like how the other posts/plays/writes very much but I want to ask that we both put that aside for now just to give you an outside POV on the situation. I've been scum reading you from the start and attacking positions you've taken but I don't remember the last thing you said about me that could be considered an in-game read or analysis or anything. Yet DP dominates your rhetoric when you're not making 10 posts to get to the bottom of an in-game mechanic, arguing with rayn during N1, or posting fluff. As for DP, he has spread himself pretty well IMO, talking to a lot of people, about a lot of people. Have you both talked to, at, about one another more than most duos in the game? Yeah for sure. But is it entirely out of the norm or is it unilateral? Definitely not. So, I too am puzzled where you are getting this mindset from that you are excessively targeted, or why you respond so defensively to him and not others. In general I think overly defensive play is a scum tell. I think overly defensive people do exist though - I tend to be one of them and have been misread for it in the past. However, I don't know how to interpret selectively overly defensive people, besides that maybe it's NAI and something that has built up over time beyond the confines of this game. People can call me mafia, is ok. But DP is over doing it, I think I have talked about other people and not just him. People need to filter him and notice how he is like “hey cake didnt put a dot at the end of her sentence, she is mafia” RN, this is getting to a point I just want to out the game because to me it feels he only exists to make me “mad” on the thread, so I go all “crazy”, sound scummy and lynch me. I respected how he got me last game with my TMI but here…
Thanks for engaging with my post in a genuine manner 🙏 I really do believe that you truly feel this way.
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On March 08 2024 12:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 12:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote:
Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity How serious are you about this vote? I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat. What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes? I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process
Could you elaborate with examples please? Helps me TR people when people say more than "this is what I believe now because of stuff." Listing quotes and links and stuff. I know you did this before, and this take can use some of that IMO.
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On March 08 2024 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 12:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 12:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote:
Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity How serious are you about this vote? I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat. What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes? I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process Could you elaborate with examples please? Helps me TR people when people say more than "this is what I believe now because of stuff." Listing quotes and links and stuff. I know you did this before, and this take can use some of that IMO. Ok easy, first I have to read it under the assumptions vivax has which is that oats is town. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. This kinda stuff now reads like TMI if you assume oats is town. Thinks hes town but still wants to lynch him oh and by the way he might be the miller. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment. Again, someone who's not going to be surprised if oats flips town when I first read through these didn't stand out very much, but looking again and trying to think what vivax might be thinkinng I can see where these would stand out. Of course I could be totally off base which is why I asked vivax to explain, I just wanna understand where hes coming from.
Don't have time to catch up before I pass out but wanted to thank you for posting these to back up what you're saying.
Overall I think MZ had a strong Day 2 so far because they took strong stances and backed them up with quotes. These stances can backfire later so to take that leap not just here but also earlier is solid work IMO, of own volition when laying low wouldn't have been outside the norm.
OOG PS about Russian stuff:
+ Show Spoiler +Почему вы выбрали Русский язык как свой <<major>>? Я родился с ним и не мог бы, никогда 😅
For those curious:
"Why did you pick Russian as your major? As a native speaker, I would never."
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On March 09 2024 01:56 CopCake wrote:
Jelaous is just pretending to care to have reads, complains about people derailing the thread, but he considered “vivax slapping dumb” a very good answer.
I think he doesnt care about reads but just wants to look “good”
Okay, I'm now just convinced that you have significant reading comprehension issues, so basically anything you say is NAI. This is just such a horrifically bad take that it can only come as a result of your eyes tricking you into believing you know how to read.
Here are points I was responding to:
Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read.
Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum
^ This was included in my quote for context.
I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
^ This is what I was responding to more specifically.
Here is what I said in response to that:
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.
You can tell, because what I am responding to is right above what I wrote. You can see the original post here:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=187#3731
The part about ass slapping, honestly I just ignored it.
CopCake, I know you're only working with what God gave you. But please, when you think that something doesn't make sense or is funny because it's dumb, try to consider if maybe the problem lies within, not without.
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On March 09 2024 02:04 Vivax wrote:
Cop sounds more line an ahuyasca shaman at this point than a mafia player
Yes, this. Reading tea leaves, as I said before. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. It's just one step removed from AI-generated Race Bannon posting.
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On March 09 2024 02:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 01:58 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:42 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote:
MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads? I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats. I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things. At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning. … do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him? I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable. This is just semantics though. I’m honestly not saying this to be a dick, but I see what you’re saying and what I’ve said (I am just an example, there are others like me) as functionally equivalent. Which is the dude looks town (‘I think he’s town’ and ‘he looks town’ are the same statement in the context of the red check) but that’s where the vote ends up. It’s just different ways of people expressing their read. And people understanding it’s very difficult to overcome a personal read in the face of a red check. Do you see what I’m saying?
Just want to say that this is exactly where I'm at, as I am one of those people that MZ quoted in their diatribe about 10/15 people thinking Oats is town and how that is a problem.
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On March 09 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Skimmed through jealous’ filter and I think I’m just more annoyed at the playstyle than anything that actually makes him scummy so he’s in the town pile
How would you characterize my play style? What annoys you?
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##Unvote
##Vote raynpelikoneet
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
So JSL claiming gunsmith unCC'd doesn't matter to you?
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On March 09 2024 07:18 Palmar wrote:So if I can drop JSL, and for different reasons, Jealous, that makes the game even clearer. I also ran again into Jealous' incredibly futile high effort bullshit about the interactions between me and rayn. It's so stupid it looks townie
Trust me, I was not happy doing it. Vivax asked me to look into it so I thought there must be something there. To be fair, Vivax didn't ask me to do all that. But, I was still pretty pissed when I found out it was basically a nothingburger.
Live and learn.
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I wanted to make sure I didn't miss anything, and indeed, VE's last post was about 44 hours ago.
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On March 09 2024 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
DMB has barely participated today. I still think DMB is playing closer to her town meta tbh but she has been very quiet. We have a safe kill. Everthing else what be stupid to do. Even if he is Miller its still the safest option right know. So why should i post more until the lynch. End the post from Jealous got me kinda Panik atack yesterday so I took a step back from tl. Also I will not filter j any more and vivax who made a quote from the post so I will not go in his Filter either. Btw that makes me think about Vivax alignment. He knows how heavy my phobia is about that so maybe he just quote it so I will not Filter him anymore...
Which post was that?
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It seems like a really important moment to make that kind of subpar word choice though. It's not like time's almost up.
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On March 09 2024 11:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:24 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 11:17 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town
Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game. Don’t you mean when? When Oats aligment flips red or miller then slam will die in n2 anyways or if oats is just town slam get lynched. Thats so easy that even I understand that. But there is no question from oats that he is town right? So why say if he is town, he should just say don’t lynch slam when I flip. If oats is just Town we have to lynch slam. Then he pretended the claim fooled us for one lynch and we get the lynch nr. 2 right. There is no other way. Even me with my Tl skill level 1 I know no matter which scenarion comes we know what to do. Thats the only correct thing to do for our Town Will you not listen to me after I flip when I tell you not to lynch slam?
Gotta say, if you flip scum, this is some really good play right here.
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On March 09 2024 11:47 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 09 2024 11:29 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:24 iamperfection wrote:
hes just saying either or do they not speak English in Australia. the just speak annoying kangorisch there We speak the kings English more than the Americans do that is for sure. Which is a very different English, kinda like this vosotros shit I am being taught with my high school students Teneís? Really? When is that even useful?
When a CEO is giving a speech to coworkers, for example. That's just the easiest one, there are many many others.
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Think Lord Farquaad "Yes, I know that some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." Or whatever.
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Gg Oats, WP. Really strong last push. Props.
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On March 09 2024 11:58 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:54 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 11:54 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 09 2024 11:53 Vivax wrote:
Let‘s hope he flips mafia at least.
If he does I‘ll hate him for being so tough. no matter what happens you are my next suspect That‘s a legit dumbtell at least you qouted it because you now what happend if I only just see a pic of it. You saw me one time throwing the phone on the other side of the room in you bedroom. You knew how my night gonna be as it was last night. You just made a quote so i am not gonna be able to filter you anymore. Thats a smart and asshole move togther. I will find out of you true aligmenet withhout filtering you. I read your mind like nobody else. I will be here on every post you gonna make and find out what you truly are
If this is an act, it's a pretty good one. Flashbacks of ex girlfriends in my mind rn.
If it's not, well, I wish you the best of luck Vivax. God speed.
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On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely.
So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats?
Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon?
And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons?
Hmm 🤔
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On March 09 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax flip a coin and jk me on heads. But don't roll claim the coin flip.
Nah do it for the WIFOM.
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On March 09 2024 12:35 iamperfection wrote:
im still right about the language thing btw.
I was gonna let y'all off the hook but you decided to dig it up again so:
If {x or y}
vs.
If {x} or {y}
^ "Whether" works better to communciate the second meaning.
But I think pushing back against this truth is NAI, as we have too many people in this game who just straight up don't know how to read.
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On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔
Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this.
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On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
> see flip
> immediately filter self to find evidence to substantiate that the flip is good for them
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On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked.
So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right?
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On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out. It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh
I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that.
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On March 09 2024 13:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:57 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:Happy about that one On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no? And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor? I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind. Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1. Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch. Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard Does the rest of his play change anything? No, what do you think of him? I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better > see flip > immediately filter self to find evidence to substantiate that the flip is good for them I think we would be friends irl.
I didn't say it at the time because phone posting and thought I missed the moment but this post and the build up to it was perfect. Lol'd at this, thanks.
On March 09 2024 12:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 12:28 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 09 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax flip a coin and jk me on heads. But don't roll claim the coin flip. Nah do it for the WIFOM. I'm not sure if we could wifom our way out of a paper bag
Who is "we" though? 🧐
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On March 09 2024 13:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:04 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps. This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi. Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night. I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it? It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no?
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On March 09 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out. It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that. Oats didn‘t act like caught scum at all. Jat looks the worst with the dont tempt me post imo. But we didn‘t see much activity from scummy folk that could have gotten ve lynches instead so gun to head I‘m guessing it is double bus scenario.
Thank you Wanted to be sure.
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On March 09 2024 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:15 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:07 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 13:04 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps. This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi. Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night. I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it? It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em. Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no? You're misremembering, I starting to doubt myself last night but this post from koshi this morning was what really got me thinking. Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote:
Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller. VT that got framed? Which mafia would know? If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps. This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi. Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night. This was about 10 hours ago, not 2
Fair, apologies. I do remember this interaction, just underestimated how far it was from EOD because their were several bursts of catching up while working today.
Personally and regardless of the real %chance number, I think this play you described is REALLY unlikely, period. Basically, I was always in agreement with your initial approach to the issue, not the one it became by EOD/vote. But, I understand that pendulums can swing hard when it comes to perception.
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On March 09 2024 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
so the dumb town tell that oats didnt see right after the day post. So DMB town for sure. Dont think bus right there.
I WIFOM'd on this for a while because I already put myself in "Oats is scum" world right after the flip, so the question was "is there any way this was a coordinated bus?"
Ockham's razor says "no." So does Hanlon's. So at this point DMB has to be town IMO. At least that is the null hypothesis until every other option has been exhausted.
Honestly pains me to say it, too.
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On March 09 2024 14:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:54 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
so the dumb town tell that oats didnt see right after the day post. So DMB town for sure. Dont think bus right there. I WIFOM'd on this for a while because I already put myself in "Oats is scum" world right after the flip, so the question was "is there any way this was a coordinated bus?" Ockham's razor says "no." So does Hanlon's. So at this point DMB has to be town IMO. At least that is the null hypothesis until every other option has been exhausted. Honestly pains me to say it, too. I thought I read all posts and yet I don't follow what iamperfection and you are saying. What's the reasoning being made here?
Oats voted DMB basically within a minute of being outed as scum. Plausible he saw himself be outed. I figure it is likely he didn't unless he had that play locked and ready, which would be super legendary. So, razors say DMB has to he town.
Should be on the same page as the N1 post or very close to it.
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On March 09 2024 14:14 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:09 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:54 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:15 iamperfection wrote:
so the dumb town tell that oats didnt see right after the day post. So DMB town for sure. Dont think bus right there. I WIFOM'd on this for a while because I already put myself in "Oats is scum" world right after the flip, so the question was "is there any way this was a coordinated bus?" Ockham's razor says "no." So does Hanlon's. So at this point DMB has to be town IMO. At least that is the null hypothesis until every other option has been exhausted. Honestly pains me to say it, too. I thought I read all posts and yet I don't follow what iamperfection and you are saying. What's the reasoning being made here? Oats voted DMB basically within a minute of being outed as scum. Plausible he saw himself be outed. I figure it is likely he didn't unless he had that play locked and ready, which would be super legendary. So, razors say DMB has to he town. Should be on the same page as the N1 post or very close to it.
EBWOP D2 post, was thinking N1 end post. And it's the next page or two after.
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On March 09 2024 14:26 Rels wrote:
Seeing the red claim and immediately voting his teammate in less than 2 minutes ... maybe it's not possible
Range is like 0.01 seconds to 119, but as someone who was there it felt very fast. If anyone knows how to get time depth on the level of seconds, let me know.
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My argument is that it is more implausible than plausible, basically. To me the margins are similar to "does Alakaslam fake being cop" or "can Oats really be miller." For me the answer to all of these was also a probabilistic "no." This one is less clear-cut partially due to Oats playing a great mafia at EOD2 so it might be plausible he had the idea already locked and loaded as a reaction to a reveal by Slam, for example. But I am going to base my decisions in this being unlikely until something forces me to reconsider.
In any case, I feel there are better lynch targets than DMB before we get there at the moment, and this helps wide the divide if I assume it as null hypothesis basically.
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On March 09 2024 14:35 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 14:33 Jealous wrote:
My argument is that it is more implausible than plausible, basically. To me the margins are similar to "does Alakaslam fake being cop" or "can Oats really be miller." For me the answer to all of these was also a probabilistic "no." This one is less clear-cut partially due to Oats playing a great mafia at EOD2 so it might be plausible he had the idea already locked and loaded as a reaction to a reveal by Slam, for example. But I am going to base my decisions in this being unlikely until something forces me to reconsider.
In any case, I feel there are better lynch targets than DMB before we get there at the moment, and this helps wide the divide if I assume it as null hypothesis basically. 100% agree that the reaction time to vote a random partner immediately after being red check is super implausible But that's not the case there. The DMB bullet was loaded more than 24 hours previously
I guess I can see that being true. After all, I was ready to vote Cop right at start, too.
Good post.
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Who was it that said that scum team would try to be rid of scum!DMB as fast as possible? I'm a bit hazy rn but I am pretty sure that was a thing.
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I guess the follow-up question is "Would town!Rels as he has played so far be willing to stick his neck out for DMB to this extent and dig to make it believable?"
WIFOM battling against WIOM (wine inside of me) rn so I'll probably check out now.
Nice job team, props Slam. Let's make N2/D2 productive and figure out who was breadcrumming and who was anti-town sheeping.
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On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh
One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above.
Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon.
In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation.
TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here?
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On March 09 2024 14:53 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote:
^ Fixing:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Why did you do this post at the time?
Me: "Oats, what are your reads?"
Oats: "Filter me"
Me: "Okay"
Me: ^ that post because I wasn't too lazy to filter Oats and ask him if these were his reads.
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On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them?
My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment.
However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system.
Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything.
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On March 09 2024 15:01 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:22 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out. It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that. Oats didn‘t act like caught scum at all. Jat looks the worst with the dont tempt me post imo. But we didn‘t see much activity from scummy folk that could have gotten ve lynches instead so gun to head I‘m guessing it is double bus scenario. Thank you Wanted to be sure. Why? What did you want to be sure about? I really don't understand what you got out of this line of questioning. If Vivax would have said that he believed that VE is town to the wagon dynamic, what would you have concluded?
This one I'll get to tomorrow ET, my two brain cells are tired of rubbing against each other at the moment and need some alone time.
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Summary would be "Why does Vivax still see VE as the most viable lynch option when that would imply a double bus and basically ignored the entirety of what the Oats reveal means to the town from my POV?" which I think any town would want to hear an explanation for from their elected and protected mayor.
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On March 09 2024 15:10 Rels wrote:I think I hate this big "I'll list all Oats reads" post from Jealous. It really appears to be easy busywork to appear active and involved. I even hate this header, nobody cares: Show nested quote +I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" I hate that it was updated 2 more times ( here and here). Smells like both an easy way to have a conversation with a partner and an easy way to do busywork
My suspicion at the time was that Oats was just antagonizing people and asking questions without actually ever giving a comprehensive read list. So, I wanted one. Instead of offering one, he challenged me to make one. So, I did. Then I refined it based on feedback.
So your stance now is that I bussed Oats and held on through the VE wagon, too? Vivax accused me of the same thing, you can re-read my response to him on this matter. I guess you have the luxury of choosing whether this was a triple bus by me or that VE is town. I'll let you decide which one you want to pursue.
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On March 09 2024 15:15 Rels wrote:
FTR I absolutely still think VE is scum too even with the Oats flip, so I also don't understand why the premise would make Vivax mafia
Nevermind.
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On March 09 2024 15:13 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:11 Jealous wrote:
Summary would be "Why does Vivax still see VE as the most viable lynch option when that would imply a double bus and basically ignored the entirety of what the Oats reveal means to the town from my POV?" which I think any town would want to hear an explanation for from their elected and protected mayor. So what do you think of Vivax now that you know he thinks it could be a double bus? (could be answered tomorrw ofc)
Will have to point a sober eye at it but at the moment I am willing to be generous as "I'm just asking questions" vs. "I'm just asking questions, bro." To be more clear, could be just a throwaway question to see where someone else stands, or could be a poorly-planned attempt to smear me as scum!Vivax.
Going through WIFOM vs WIOM as I said earlier etc. Getting him to confirm was just step 1 and I wanted to strike while the iron was hot.
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On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them?
Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted.
Last one fr fr
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On March 10 2024 04:24 Alakaslam wrote:
Do I crumb any shit or do I just await an NK or do I sit around and spray piss in the air after dicking the ground or do I find a good quiet open field and toss my phone in the air to catch it once more, for it is precious, and my reflexes are too quick?
What are your thoughts on the people who pushed hard for a second wagon yesterday?
What are your thoughts on the people who hopped on that wagon and when?
PS Nice throwback with the piss in the air/dick the ground thing, a timeless classic
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On March 10 2024 11:56 Rels wrote:
I would absolutely be OK with allowing editing of that picture as has been proposed at some point. I think we should do it
Still have not gotten official confirmation so I don't want to just up and do it. I can remove it from my Imgur account and it will break all the links I am pretty sure.
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RIP Slam, Marv. WP.
Nice shot (most likely) DP.
Update on the image situation: Deleting it from imgur does not actually remove the link, so anyone who quoted me will have to manually edit out the link. I just put some filler text in its place. Sorry again.
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On March 10 2024 12:05 iamperfection wrote:
alright DP VE or copcake lets go what you want
##Vote: CopCake
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On March 10 2024 12:07 iamperfection wrote:
and do you want to play some host wifom DP
What is host WIFOM?
Thank you
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On March 10 2024 12:08 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:07 iamperfection wrote:
and do you want to play some host wifom DP What is host WIFOM? Thank you
Ooh I get it. That's dirty.
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On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:12 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 12:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town points for DP btw why What you mean? the shoot makes you town for me wow how could have come to such a conclusion
Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes.
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So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
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On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
Ah wait, forgot about RB. Would make sense too. Sorry, am dumb.
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Yes yes, I fucked up, because I am fucked up. Sorry.
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Just a quick compilation of reasons to vote CopCake that happened more than 24 hours ago (when she was last active).
+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2024 11:52 CopCake wrote:
Let it be known I think the mafia team is Palmar, DP, jelaous, etc
Ill be voting Ve to save oats On March 09 2024 11:32 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 06:35 Palmar wrote:So, I'm going to finally make the case you've all been waiting for. raynpelikoneet is scum
The entire case hinges on two points. There is some other weirdness in his postings, but those are by far the most important ones
Point 1 - rayn demands, twice and in all caps, that I make a case on Vivax
The reason this is important is because it clearly implies rayn never actually read my filter
On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?
On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. where is your case on vivax?
But the problem is, I had explained my stance on Vivax multiple times in the thread. Like I'm actually kinda annoyed with myself for how often I repeated that same point.
Here's a link to a post where I summarized me repeatedly expressing the same stance on Vivax.
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28152997
In conclusion. rayn considers me his #1 lynch target but hasn't actually read my filter and doesn't know my stances.
Point 2 - rayn refuses to acknowledge that I don't think and play like him
This one is a little more nuanced to explain, especially to people who weren't involved in the last game we played, but for context here's the gist of it.
On day 3, I am town and kinda think rayn may be town. rayn is however mafia and is tunneling me as an established scumread.
The most significant post here is this:
On December 16 2023 22:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar can you make a post about why it's reasonable to assume i am mafia with (1) sandroba or (2) holyflare? I don’t make associative reads
In the same way as he does this game for the mason thing, rayn demands a townread because I have other people that aren't him as possible mafia, and then claims it's impossible that they could be scum together.
To me, this is a clear logical fallacy, because it assumes that I'm always right on my scumreads other than rayn. I explain this even further here in the last game.
On December 17 2023 01:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2023 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 16 2023 23:33 Palmar wrote:
Rayn, I’m not going to read your entire filter because I don’t hate myself. But I did open it and read from the bottom up. I can’t remember if this is something you normally do but you’re spending almost no effort on forming town reads. The best I could find was like “maybe marv is just town” and something like that.
Like have you at any point in this game tried to argue that someone is town? Do youthink that's something that makes me mafia? I mean like its probably the easiest thing to do as mafia, call townies town for correct reasons. I also heavily abuse that fact as mafia. I dont care if you do associative reads or not. I find it suspicious that the people who i sm literally the least likely to be mafia with ate the ones you geoup with me being mafia with snd just sit on that. Also i disagree that i had no influence on the game. Its true i have not been as active as usual. But i was a key factor to almost change the lynch from Vivax to sandroba D1, and i also believe i was one of the key votes to lynch Chezinu. In order cause phoneposting. Not necessarily but it’s different from what I do. I said I can’t remember if it’s normal for you. Again, I don’t think this way. Maybe I’m wrong on something. Maybe mafia is playing lone wolf. I just don’t care at all who is likely to be mafia with who. It has no impact on how I think about any game. You HAVE been active. You have one of the longest filters in the game. You just haven’t been influential.
So given that we literally had this discussion last game, rayn's claim THIS game that I must be mafia because I refuse to think in associations like he does means he has to be scum himself.
Not because he doesn't know my playstyle, that's actually completely acceptable
he's mafia because he's reminded that I just explained my playstyle to him last game, I play like I always do again, and remind him that's how I think, but he still refuses to listen
This means he doesn't WANT to listen, and his objective isn't actually finding out my alignment, just wants to kill me.
In conclusion: raynpelikoneet
I mean the only other option is that he's a moron.
Rayn is dead and JOAT On March 09 2024 02:31 CopCake wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:29 marvellosity wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:27 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:21 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 02:15 CopCake wrote:
Btw I refuse to take my vote on Jelaous.
He was an ass to me but “Vivax slapping my ass” is a good thought process. I have no idea what you’re on about tbh. Jelaous asked questions to dmb to understand her Dmb said vivax was slapping her etc etc Jelaous said ok I likr that thought process
So? Like I’m positive there has been some misunderstanding here, but even if there wasn’t, why is it a mafia thing to say or do that? You think mafia want to look like idiots?
Jelaous was like absolutely too mean to me. To the point I almost quit the game for that.
He said I spoke bullshit,
How is “Vivax is slapping me” a good answer?
I think they are partners. [B]On March 09 2024 01:29 CopCake wrote: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:33 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 11:24 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:01 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
But trying to become mayor as mafia is very risky and stupid. Even I understand that.
So does that mean that all of the following have to be town? Vivax (13), raynpelikoneet (3), Oatsmaster (1), Koshi (1) On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Town dp would feel attacked if you call him mafia and would names reasons why he is not.
Mafia dp plays it of cool, that you don't see the fear of being discovered.
Maybe this is a DP thing, or maybe I'm different from most, or maybe I'm just stupid... But how much evidence can DP have to name reasons for why he is not mafia when we're what, 16 hours into D1? Maybe the volume they put out... but still, let's have a thought experiment: What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up.
I made an error out the gate (not catching that Alakaslam cop-claimed) and I didn't get my head bit off for it by anyone. It was corrected and we kept it moving. So, I think this point is overblown. If you're not scum, "mistakes" don't magically make you scum, IMO. The mistake itself has to be AI. On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
He waits hours but no body jumps on a cake wagon or he already sees that that wagon will not be successful. So he need to get someelse, but thats good for his record, because Town DP change often his vote just usually with good reasons.
If it wasn't his meta already then I could see this being potentially being true/AI, but because you say that it is his meta... I don't get your point here? On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town
Please clarify your logic here, too. That does not mean that this people are Town for me. It has something to do with my experience of DP's personality. Sorry if I didn´t make that clear. Okay, I can believe that you believe this 👍 On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:What arguments would you have for your own innocence at this point in the game? Regardless of my aligment I would not start a fight with dp without having do!!! As mafia I would not do that. That would take the fun away as I had in the last game trying to lynch Palmar As Town I just to it because I don´t have something more importend in my head. This I am having a much harder time following. If I understand correctly you say that you wouldn't argue with DP regardless of your alignment, then you say you would not do it as mafia, and then you say you would do it as town? Perhaps this will be easier, allow me to rephrase: In this specific game, what can you point to as being reasons for why you are town by the 16 hour mark?I'm just struggling to understand what your ideal response from DP would be here. If someone put me on the spot like that, frankly I'd just be like: On March 07 2024 10:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
And the Ve post is good
He doesn´t really want to play anymore because we always lynch him early.
Compassion would be the best description The way you responded to it is "let them play, then lynch them because they are an active townie," which doesn't make much sense to me as "compassion"? As Jacob said above, that almost sounds like a scumslip, but I am sure I must be misunderstanding something or you misspoke. Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read. Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax
On March 07 2024 11:29 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:10 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:03 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Hmmmmm in your opinion Jealous.
Sure mistakes happen but do you think DMB's "mistake" and reaction to it (not noticing we were even pointing out the mistake for ages) is more or less suspicoius than Koshi's "Mistake" and reaction to it. (ignoring it entirely and being like I'm town fuck you)
I think that both are NAI. I wouldn't even call Koshi's "mistake" that. As someone else told you, I consider "if" and "when" to almost colloquially interchangeable in that context. DMB's mistake reads as far more damning to me but there are mitigating factors and I think that even some as seemingly erratic as them wouldn't have brought it up just to slip up like that, IMO. I'm more concerned about the fact that most of what they wrote that wasn't a mistake felt pretty weak to me. This is their best case on their strongest scum read, and now they are too lazy to stick around, because "I don't wanna be town I wanna be mafia"? That's hella weak IMO. I can see a genuine town doing that, I guess, kinda like how we have people who didn't vote and aren't posting for various reasons. However, I also see it as sufficient reason to keep them on my lynch list, because mafia isn't precluded from claiming laziness after flailing under some light pressure. I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia
Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it. Good to know Jelaous is a very serious person that finds the logic of Vivax slapping DMB logical to determine her alignment . [B]On March 09 2024 01:31 CopCake wrote:
DMB: “ Also the our major is slapping my ass while i try to translate my thougts correctly. Pls for god sake I have to concentrate Vivax“
Jelaous: “ Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.”
I love you DMB
Last one might be what Vivax is saying re: CopCake and DMB association but I might be wrong too (might mean/be something else), just noticed it as I filtered CopCake just now.
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On March 10 2024 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:35 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:32 Rels wrote:On March 10 2024 12:24 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:23 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:20 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 10 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 12:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
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the shoot makes you town for me wow how could have come to such a conclusion Nah man, the greatest bus of all time is unfolding right in front of our eyes. Sorry i think I am getting blind. Can you help me to see it? i dont know if your trolling but DP shot mafia.... i think you can put 2 and 2 together. yeah he is town. I was wrong I got that. But where is the bus? he was making a joke. Because its obviously not a bus and would be the most legendary play of all time to shoot your scum partner for cred. Unecessary too, since I assume not using the shot and using it to kill a townie during the last night would gain scum a mislynch. So it would even be playing actively against their wincon With shot => 10 town vs 3 scum now => 3 ML before LYLO Without shot => 9 town (with the gun being used later) vs 4 scum => 2 ML before LYLO BTW 3 more mislynches allowed, nice. And that's assuming we don't lynch the RB at some point before all BGs die, which would open up the possibility for night saves With Vivax having to be RB though, I guess DP couldn't keep the shot actually. But could have killed the scummiest townie I guess it would have been me lol If I was mafia, I just don't claim I have the shot at all.
And if JSL claims you just say they are lying lmao that would be so brutal.
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On March 10 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Do we have a new mason pair?
*crickets*
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On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 18:10 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote:
So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ? - mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam - I dont see the use of a strongarm there Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions.
Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post:
On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed.
I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come.
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On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it. Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
Okay so CopCake pulls the "my feelings are hurt" card (which is hypocritical as outlined in the above post, where they say that they find appeals to emotion tasteless) yet they have no problem dishing it out like in the following posts (bolding is mine):
+ Show Spoiler +On March 09 2024 02:15 CopCake wrote:
Btw I refuse to take my vote on Jelaous.
He was an ass to me but “Vivax slapping my ass” is a good thought process. On March 09 2024 01:36 CopCake wrote:
I just lost it irl, I cant stop to laugh at that 😂🤣 On March 09 2024 02:31 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 02:29 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 02:27 CopCake wrote:On March 09 2024 02:21 marvellosity wrote:On March 09 2024 02:15 CopCake wrote:
Btw I refuse to take my vote on Jelaous.
He was an ass to me but “Vivax slapping my ass” is a good thought process. I have no idea what you’re on about tbh. Jelaous asked questions to dmb to understand her Dmb said vivax was slapping her etc etc Jelaous said ok I likr that thought process So? Like I’m positive there has been some misunderstanding here, but even if there wasn’t, why is it a mafia thing to say or do that? You think mafia want to look like idiots? Jelaous was like absolutely too mean to me. To the point I almost quit the game for that. He said I spoke bullshit, How is “Vivax is slapping me” a good answer? I think they are partners. ^ Doesn't understand what they are reading, interprets it in the way that makes the opposing person look as bad/dumb as possible, makes like five posts about it calling me an ass and dedicating an entire post just to laugh about the head canon they created of me being that stupid. All while woefully misinterpreting the base content. Only to cap it off with "Jealous was absolutely too mean to me." I guess CopCake is always nice to everyone, then, right? Otherwise this would be pretty hypocritical... On March 07 2024 03:31 CopCake wrote:
I would expect a “high profile” player not to fall in something like that. ^ Obvious sarcasm meant to be derisive. On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. ^ The "if" is pretty performative here, I think anyone with reading comprehension can understand that this adjective sequence is doing a lot of implying. On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. ^ Oh, seems like they have no issue with harsh criticism when it's someone else on the receiving end. On March 05 2024 05:28 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 05:27 DarthPunk wrote:
I tend to like the town circle for now.
The only one I’m really afraid of being mafia in that lot is Rayn
I think mz looked wayyyy better recently so I’m moving him to town for now.
Cake still looks bad.
Koshi looks townie to me. He has that level of arrogance that I felt was missing in his mafia game. I also sensed he was genuinely butthurt at not being in the town circle which I found hilarious but also townie.
Rels makes sense, he is wayyyy less aggressive than I remember but that is old old meta.
You have a lot to learnnnnnnnnn ^ This is the same person that said "get off your high horse," right? On March 05 2024 06:15 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:02 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 05:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Copcake why are you not voting for me? Because I am town and gave you fresh air. I am not closed on you, my read evolve according to what is happening. If you are just painfully bad at reading me and tbh downgrading my game doesn't make you mafia, just a bad player at reading me. What made your read evolve specifically and in what way has it evolved? And I literally caught you as mafia day one in the only game we played together so not sure how you can seriously think that I am bad at reading you. You are bad, because you got convinced otherwise. Because I made you doubt TTT, because I got my team three days without town getting us, without no lynch. We could have gone a 4th but we concede. So do not think you are an expert of reading me, if you were a top tier player you could have gotten me, marv and vivax that game. But you didnt. Your soft sissy read on me that you got first of me is not enough to call you a "cake expert". Get off your high horse, wear town shoes and try to solve the game. Can you answer the question you quoted and then didn’t answer. I took distance, and look somewhere else, giving you benefit of the doubt. Specially with all the stupid JK thing. [And my approach to you wasn't even aggressive, I even shared a bit of what I think and how I work. I even expected nice feedback but "Lol, cake is mafia hur hur hur" So, even with that, I decided to let you go because it is not beneficial to town to start another cake vs dp war. If you want to continue and go on a crussade against me is your prerogative but I am town this game. GLHF. So what do you think my alignment is now? Tbh, I dont give a fuck. You refuse to cooperate with me, asking me the same questions over and over without getting a conclusion. I will deal with you later IF i am alive next day. ^ Speaks for itself. Seems that this fragile flower doesn't have any issues with crass language and dismissing people directly. On March 06 2024 12:09 CopCake wrote:
You are so bad ^ Speaks for itself. On March 06 2024 12:14 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town. I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping. And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel. You saying this is unfair. And a bad player. ^ More. On March 06 2024 12:24 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Scummy for copcake to come in here and shit on the lynch without being here Scummy? I spent part of the day yesterday explaining why Tfrel is a good player and why I knight deffended him. You should know that, you were here yesterday asking me for the vivax thing. So bad, you are not worth to playing with me. I will be an ass like most of you and only care for what rayn,slam and marv have to say. And VE. And maybe jacob because he is funny. So live in your “we might jailkeeper mayor, happa mafia gave up because of thay hur hur” illusion. ^ At this point I think I can stop bringing up examples, but there are others.
Does this sound like a person who can rightfully claim hurt feelings as a reason for quitting a game? Hypocrisy is not a good color on you, CopCake.
Let's not forget that rayn is one of the more aggressive/vitriolic players and they have a lot of shared games and experience together, and other people here can be a bit prickly at times themselves, so I find it hard to believe that CopCake came into this game expecting it to be all butterflies and rainbows. As someone else said earlier, this isn't the place to be playing if you're such a "sensitive" person. If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. If you can dish it out, learn how to take it.
This impression became more concrete after that laughable attempt at making a case at me made no sense, but I really think that almost anything Cake says is NAI because they are just so heavily driven by emotion and lack of regulation thereof, which is chaotic and allows them to self-justify hypocrisy and inconsistency. So, while I think it's impossible to form a hard scum read on them, that is also why the lynch is the right one.
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Also should note that CopCake promised to read DP's Mafia game twice, then was absent for like 24 hours, came back with "I'm sad uwu":
On March 08 2024 10:16 CopCake wrote:
I promise to read that during the day, but i should go back to sleep now.
I leave town in the competent hands of themselves.
On March 08 2024 21:09 CopCake wrote:
I dont think I can read that other game thread until saturday
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On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 18:10 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote:
So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ? - mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam - I dont see the use of a strongarm there Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games?
I've played with them once a long time ago. Why?
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On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 18:10 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote:
So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ? - mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam - I dont see the use of a strongarm there Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what?
Don't really feel the need to in this case?
Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing.
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On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote:
With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless) How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 10 2024 18:10 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:08 Palmar wrote:
So I barely read the OP but we are assuming that either mafia shit Vivax to get a random kill on a bodyguard or that they have a strongarm to murder slam ? - mafia blocks vivax - - kills slam - I dont see the use of a strongarm there Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing.
This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion.
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On March 11 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 10 2024 15:05 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 12:43 Vivax wrote:
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How can you think that?
She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts. ##vote: copcake I am town but I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out. On March 10 2024 18:23 CopCake wrote:On March 10 2024 18:17 DarthPunk wrote:
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Oh really? Btw this is the type of attitude why I don't want to play, I feel like a wounded stray dog forced to come to a coliseum to fight lions. Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post: On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless, I brag a lot of being very good scum.
So, go ahead and lynch me next day. I am just going to say I am dissapointed. I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game.
I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example.
But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc.
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On March 11 2024 01:47 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 01:36 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:32 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:30 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:22 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 01:11 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 01:07 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote:On March 11 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:
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Hmm, the bold very interesting in the context of this post:
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I was going to keep quiet on it because I felt a bit bad for a moment and didn't feel the need to dogpile the CopCake wagon further (and my vote is locked), but the more I thought about it the more I realized that it's just inconsistency and hypocrisy. More to come. Have you read old cop games? I've played with them once a long time ago. Why? so you dont want to look at past games or what? Don't really feel the need to in this case? Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing. I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing. This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion. they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game. I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example. But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc. so vote ve no?
CopCake first, and if nothing drastic happens, I am fine with voting VE next cycle.
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On March 11 2024 02:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 02:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote:
I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote:
So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly. or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely I agree this is most likely. ##Vote: CopCake/salute ##Vote: VE This one? The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm. VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
Yea I meant strong arm and again, yeah I fucked up and forgot about the possibility of RB.
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On March 11 2024 07:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Actually, to wrap things up, Jealous could you give your complete updated list at this point?
3) DarthPunk - I always TR'd him, and my mason with him did nothing to change this. I got more confident in my town read but also more paranoid that I was just getting smarmed by a very proficient player. However, I think the shot basically has to confirm him as town at this point. I can still see a world where killing TTS with the shot to earn near-infinite town cred is a slight possibility, but Ockham's has treated me well so far and I will stick to it. So, for now, operating on the assumption that he is infallible town.
4) Vivax - Same story for Vivax, at this point I basically have to assume he is town, despite the fact that i have not been much of a fan of his posting over the past cycle or two. It's almost like he got his mayor role and now gets to throw his weight around and not try too hard. Not to say he wasn't active, of course. I am still willing to give the benefit of the doubt and believe that the VE second wagon was an "experiment" of sorts, and trying to counter-pressure me with "I think you're only bringing this up to clear VE's name" was a lazy play where he didn't map out the interactions that would have to happen for this to be true (a triple bus triangle). Lazy!mayor is still far more likely than superluckyuncc'dscum!mayor IMO.
8) Jealous - I'm VT.
9) Meapak_Ziphh - I feel like other players have found way more fault with your play than I have, but I haven't dove you in a while. This recent series of posts is high effort, and I can only imagine what a slog my filter must have been. I am definitely leaning town but you're not a null hypothesis town for me like DP/Vivax.
10) Palmar - I'm still struggling to put my finger on Palmar's play completely. A lot of it feels pretty lazy. That might be a self-preservation tactic. Yet it reeks confidence. Yet he admits to being an ego-driven player, IIRC (please correct me if I'm wrong). Definite WIFOM here. What has Palmar actually achieved/done? I find it hard to name an accomplishment or solid push on anyone of relevance so far, but that might be selective WIOM memory here. Overall though, I think my general vibe from him has been generally town.
11) justanothertownie - Similar to Palmar in my books. I still don't think scum!JAT would push against the Vivax claim/mayor as hard as he did to his own detriment on D1. I didn't find many or any faults with his play from my just playing the game at a natural pace. Though, I have also not taken a dive into his filter in a while.
12) die_meatbaby - I was really, really convinced of my read on the DMB vote from Oats being basically a town confirm. As a reminder, according to Slam, Oats voted for DMB publicly in the thread 13 seconds after he was outed as scum by Slam, which we now know is true. Was this locked and loaded? Ockham's says no, IMO. However, Rels made a great case for how this absolutely could have been locked and loaded. See post and follow-ups here. So, I have to introduce a little bit of doubt here.
13) CopCake - Not going to waste my time reiterating myself for a tenth time but I am scum reading Cop, despite some waffling about her play being NAI in general. I still think this is the best lynch.
14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to assume that JSL is town along with DP at this point because of the claims.
16) Iamperfection - I have been consistently townreading iamperfection from the start and not much has changed in this regard, but I also recognize that they are not a hypothetically confirmed town in my current worldview. So, I have to start introducing doubt into all of my softer town reads. Out of all the people I have as half-town-reads, I would say this is my strongest.
17) Koshi - True neutral at this point. I was sheeping them D1 but that led to a ML (not necessarily attributing fault but they don't get brownie points for it either). Their play since then has not been inspiring. They also helped form that second wagon on VE when Oats was scum. I'm still not 100% convinced of a double scum bus, but I haven't done the due diligence as far as who was responsible, what the relative timings were, etc. I really need to get to work because I feel like I've been coasting on just playing the game as opposed to digging into it and picking apart who is doing what for a lot of my soft town reads, and at this point Koshi feels like one of the ones that I have had the least amount of confidence in.
19) VisceraEyes - I agree with everyone about what VE's conduct has been like, which is far from what I'd consider to be townie. They are even more of a wildcard to me than CopCake at this point IMO. This is another good lynch IMO, but I am still going Cop first.
20) Rels - Despite what I said above about giving props to Rels for doing the work and research into Oats' vote on DMB, I still feel kinda ambivalent about their performance and contributions overall over the past few cycles. I just feel like I don't have a good feel for their play or their alignment, which usually means they have been treading lightly and not doing much, which overall doesn't look great but doesn't necessarily mean they are scum, either.
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So, you may notice at this point that I don't have enough scum to have a full scum team, and that's not great in terms of optics or play, admittedly. Sad truth is, that's where I'm at. I think that as more lynches and kills come in, I'll have a better idea of who is more likely to be scum. By PoE, I'd say that Rels and Koshi are more likely to be scum than DP and Vivax, for example. My approach as of now is to basically search for the most likely scum out of the people remaining, and I think I have two strong contenders. In the next cycle or two - assuming I am still alive - I will invest more time into reading filters on the people I am on the fence about as opposed to the people that have rubbed me entirely the wrong way up until now. At this point, my order of most likely to be scum individually with no investigations on associations are:
1. CopCake or VE, basically tied.
2. Koshi/Rels/Palmar.
3. MZ.
4. JAT.
5. Iamperfection.
6. DMB.
That's basically my PoE, and I'll work through them in that manner as time allows and as flips come in, basically.
PS: The reason I did the Oats reads is because he basically told me to, so I did. I basically wasn't going to let laziness stop me. Even though I reiterated that I townread him heavily all the way to the end, I felt like he was asking more questions than providing his own reads, being combative in general. I kinda wrote it off as his playstyle, and given some of the other styles we have here, I didn't think too much of it. But, I did want a reads list from him, so I put in the effort to generate one, correct it, and update it.
PPS: Thanks for giving my filter a fair shake.
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On March 11 2024 12:07 Rels wrote:Finally free to play the game. Also super tired so I won't be catching up  didn't read anything since my last post. I think I'll just check if and what CopCake has posted since she's the counter wagon and I will call it a day I hope hope hope I can play tomorrow during work, or at least catch up. I already know I can't during the morning, but nothing much going on in the afternoon yet. Hopefully it will stay that way ...
If more votes are on Cop, then they shift to VE and VE has more, does that make Cop the "counter"wagon?
Logic would dictate that VE arose as the counterwagon to Cop, but I just don't know how y'all define these things and if you haven't read or looked at the vote thread in depth then you might be just wrong, so I wanna make sure.
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On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this
I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh.
I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are.
To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest.
Go do you, playboy.
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On March 11 2024 12:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:33 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:29 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
are you just ignoring me or what? No but I don‘t think you claim vet as town or fakeclaim for that matter. But it‘s beneficial as scum. I have a very, very hard time believeing you believe this I think Vivax is just fishing for more "Vivax is insane" comments for his profile tbh. I didn't want to say it earlier because I had a genuine hope that Vivax would come back and explain the initial train on VE, would have a better answer for "you really think this is a triple bus triangle?", but here we are. I had a genuine hope that one of my confirmed towns in my current world read would actually try to lynch mafia, and that these wild votes/wagons were just some ingenious ploy to generate reactions. But here we are. To be fair, I guess all of these posts can be counted towards his body count from his recent posting spurt. My mans is playing his own game inside the game. And he is our mayor. Which fits for a politician if I'm gonna be honest. Go do you, playboy. Very complicated way of saying nothing at all.
nice b8 bm8
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On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though?
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On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game.
How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
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On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
Oh ho, Hear we go again. Didn't you just say I was confirmed? I am trying to understand vivax perspective and why he is calling you mafia. I understand his pov.
That was fast.
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On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!
GL! As someone who has been on the "getting a better job" grind for way too long, I know this struggle. You got this!
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On March 11 2024 12:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game. How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here.
Thank God both masons and mafia use Discord now because this would have been the worst fake slip of all time, holy shet.
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:
SHe said she wasn't going to do it
She said she wasn't going to do the dive on your mafia game. She went as far as asking admin about posting Discord screenshots and it was allowed but I've yet to see any or have any indication of what her intent was for those screenshots.
Can we all agree that if a supposed townie is saying that they will do stuff to clear their name/push the game forward, then not doing it or even pretending to do it, while still posting random other stuff, isn't a great look?
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On March 11 2024 13:17 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:14 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:55 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”
I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.
How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though? I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game. How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though? I also said Vivax is here and he can confirm I asked if we could 🥳 concede a mafia game because I felt bad for Slam. You should also be aware of this DP. You have read that chat and played that game.
I don't exactly follow what you're saying but this doesn't look like a screenshot that was supposed to somehow exonerate you, but maybe I'm blind.
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On March 11 2024 13:20 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:19 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:
SHe said she wasn't going to do it
She said she wasn't going to do the dive on your mafia game. She went as far as asking admin about posting Discord screenshots and it was allowed but I've yet to see any or have any indication of what her intent was for those screenshots. Can we all agree that if a supposed townie is saying that they will do stuff to clear their name/push the game forward, then not doing it or even pretending to do it, while still posting random other stuff, isn't a great look? I also said “oh vivax is here”
Ah, that solves everything, my bad?
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On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game.
What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point?
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On March 11 2024 13:27 CopCake wrote:
No seriously, how am I suppose to?
Posting the screenshots you promised, which in theory would have somehow exonerated you from the accusation, would be a good starting point. Instead of relying on others to defend you for you.
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On March 11 2024 13:29 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 CopCake wrote:
No seriously, how am I suppose to?
Posting the screenshots you promised, which in theory would have somehow exonerated you from the accusation, would be a good starting point. Instead of relying on others to defend you for you. Question wasnt answered Saw my ex scum buddy here so I didnt feel the need to post them Easy as that.
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On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer
Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears.
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On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
Jealous: *Posts quotes showing CopCake is being inconsistent and a hypocrite throughout the game*
CopCake: I will post screenshots from another game's Discord. [for some reason, never said what they would show tbh]
CopCake: Oh, Vivax is here.
-- Fast forward until now --
Jealous: So about them screenshots?
CopCake: Vivax was there, I didn't need them.
Jealous: Vivax, what does she mean?
Vivax: She's just having a really tough time right now.
Idk chief, this doesn't sound great, and she's technically not even the leading lynch target right now.
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On March 11 2024 13:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:44 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Jealous: *Posts quotes showing CopCake is being inconsistent and a hypocrite throughout the game* CopCake: I will post screenshots from another game's Discord. [for some reason, never said what they would show tbh] CopCake: Oh, Vivax is here. -- Fast forward until now --Jealous: So about them screenshots? CopCake: Vivax was there, I didn't need them. Jealous: Vivax, what does she mean? Vivax: She's just having a really tough time right now. Idk chief, this doesn't sound great, and she's technically not even the leading lynch target right now. I think your intent is burying her here not finding out if she is mafia if that helps.
So town!Anyone will make promises of future rebuttals to a case I made, never deliver, hide behind someone else, that someone also never delivers, I make a case about that, and somehow in your eyes I'm supposedly more scum than her after this interaction?
Good to know, I'll adjust my play accordingly.
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On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then.
Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
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On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back)
I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews.
About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough.
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On March 11 2024 14:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough. Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday Was actually 2 days ago Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr
Ah well, Koshi hasn't answered yet either IIRC, but to be fair he might have just missed them. Vivax doesn't have that excuse. So, good point.
@Koshi, can you respond to the above? Why did you push a VE wagon at EOD2 over red checked Oats?
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On March 11 2024 20:16 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:23 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:19 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough. Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday Was actually 2 days ago On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr Ah well, Koshi hasn't answered yet either IIRC, but to be fair he might have just missed them. Vivax doesn't have that excuse. So, good point. @Koshi, can you respond to the above? Why did you push a VE wagon at EOD2 over red checked Oats? I pushed against the Oats wagon the entire day. I thought Oats wasnt be mafia. I was very sure about it.
Well, at least you are sticking to your guns here. Even in the sight of the red check, you placed faith in your read, I guess.
I guess the natural conclusion is that you thought VE was so scummy that it overrode the red check on Oats, and that is still the case now, so I am not going to ask the question but feel free to correct me if I am mistaken somehow.
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On March 12 2024 05:46 DarthPunk wrote:
If we lynch ve and I die tonight are any of you gonna be able to lynch cake without me here? What is the plan for her? Talk taking her to mylo?
There's nothing I've seen so far that would make not vote for her.
I feel like VE seems to be a stronger scum read for most people - which I can understand, to some extent - and people might just feel bad for her or something. So, maybe once people sate their thirst for lynching VE, Cake will be the next-best option for at least some of them.
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I too would like to see CopCake's reads, but something tells me that my asking for that will not result in the desired outcome either, as we're currently batting 0/2 on requests fulfilled.
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Feels like Koshi went into that filter with the outcome already in mind.
For example - and please correct me if I'm mistaken - she invited people to that tea party before she had any reads, very early on in the game where there was almost nothing to go off of, and then gave every attendant town cards for free. That's basically pocketing, isn't it?
It's also funny to me that you accept her calling other people as bad/beneath them as "sass" and is part of why you like her, then she comes in here to throw a pity party for herself because she is "sensitive." Does it make sense for a sensitive person to be antagonizing people like this and then cry victim later? I mean, I guess it does happen, and emotions are not logical, but it just feels like some sort of forced narrative to me and hypocritical in general.
TLDR: I think that most of what Cop does is NAI at best, scummy at worst. Throwing out 10 posts with 3-4 minute intervals but none of them landing in terms of logic, game state, or pushing scum does not a townie make.
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On March 12 2024 07:21 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:
I think now both are mafia. I think this also fully clears MZ. why the change of heart? The martyr most likely. It just read like "fuck it, we are both fucked ve, who goes out first doesnt matter anymore"
Could also be one last attempt at WIFOM "Scum wouldn't really tell another scum to avenge them while martyring themselves, right? No one sensible would actually do that, right?!"
Therein lies the trick, though.
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If she told multiple people they are bad and that they aren't worthy, called other people asses and told people she didn't give a fuck, she has no ground to stand on and neither do people defending her. That all started in D1. If she can dish it out, she should be able to take it.
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On March 12 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Worst martyr vote ever. It just is.
I am angry at it.
It is truly wild that we are splitting our vote between two martyrs on D3. Disgusting tbh. This game has been pretty dang good up until recently IMO.
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On March 12 2024 07:51 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:50 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote:
Worst martyr vote ever. It just is.
I am angry at it. It is truly wild that we are splitting our vote between two martyrs on D3. Disgusting tbh. This game has been pretty dang good up until recently IMO. maybe they have fun in scumQT with it and that is the only way this is acceptable.
Agreed. If either one of them flips town that should be a warning or a one game ban or something IMO. As others have said, it's basically policy lynch exclusive on the menu for D3 and possibly D4, too.
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On March 12 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 07:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
Why do they both voting themselves? It's an appeal to emotion IMO.
I feel this needs to be brought up again in this context:
On March 06 2024 22:33 CopCake wrote:
And you know I find appeal to emotion tasteless
Not just doing it herself, but TRing VE who is also doing it at the same time. That is some galaxy brain stuff.
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On March 12 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Giving DP his lynch
Low key shade on me tbh.
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On March 12 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 08:44 Koshi wrote:
The only that makes sense to me is that they are both mafia but VE RBer.
That is the only thing that makes sense to me right now.
But dont get me wrong. Vote cake out today. I want to see her to flip red. Or to see my anger justified if she flips green. What anger? you just said you thought she was mafia.
I'm guessing anger at a townie playing so anti-town.
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On March 12 2024 09:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 18:48 Koshi wrote:On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck! Good luck friend. Hope you get both, and they have to tripple your salary outbidding the other company. Thanks :D One went well, the other got rescheduled to tomorrow, I literally have 4 interviews tomorrow now lol And it's the opposite, I got a dream position right now working for a big tech company, until now it was OK to work from Montréal, but with the stupid return to office policies, I would have to move to a hub like Vancouver or Toronto or Seattle to continue like I am today, or I'll get laid off ... but I don't want to move, so I'm interviewing the few teams that are on Montréal ... not a lot of options so it's make or break!
RTO is fucking cancer.
#foreverremote
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On March 12 2024 10:57 iamperfection wrote:
before i get clouded by the result of this. I dont think a mafia rels comes in here to save cop whatever cop is like he did here.
Does scum!iamp sheep him though? 🤣
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To be entirely fair I can't fault y'all too much, I said I would have been fine with a VE lynch the following day unless something crazy happened.
Still, let me be mad at y'all for a bit. Buncha shennanying maniacs. Y'all do it so often that it is basically NAI, which makes it worse. Still doesn't make me hate y'all any less.
Y'all better pray CopCake flips town at some point or I will never forgive you.
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Someone earlier said "vote analysis doesn't mean anything" or something, and generally speaking, I'd probably agree.
I haven't dared look yet (also mobile posting), but was there anyone who was on VE for both lynches? Anyone who shennanied onto them both times? Just out of curiosity.
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On March 12 2024 11:20 iamperfection wrote:
well if you have something to say jealous why dont you just say it?
I think I said everything I wanted to say tbh and I'm not gonna try to do a vote analysis from my phone at a bar atm. Was kinda hoping people would come forward of their own volition and maybe someone else would handle it for me 😂
I guess also feelin' lonely with just the three of us here. I already got your initial reactions, woulda wanted to have some my CopCake wagonmates here ;-;
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On March 12 2024 11:07 iamperfection wrote:
listen
The hammer was right there i couldn't resist.
Ngl this made me chuckle IRL though so thanks for that
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On March 12 2024 11:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
We got shennanied on and robbed
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On March 12 2024 11:25 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 11:23 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 11:07 iamperfection wrote:
listen
The hammer was right there i couldn't resist. Ngl this made me chuckle IRL though so thanks for that i was very disappointed i had to delete my bragging gif.
Nothing personal but knowing that alone has made all of this almost worth it, thanks again 🙏
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On March 12 2024 11:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Could have still been tvt lynch
True, but this is schrodinger's lynch. Before the lynch, their alignment was unknown. They opened the box so they killed the conf!town!VE.
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On March 12 2024 13:50 iamperfection wrote:
I couldn't resist dp.
😏
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On March 12 2024 14:13 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 14:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 12 2024 14:10 iamperfection wrote:On March 12 2024 13:59 DarthPunk wrote:
People on VE over oats look really bad.
People on VE over cake look really bad.
Well that fits palmar. It fits me too but we can ignore that part. And Koshi. You are all in the poe to be honest, need to read you all again. And MZ.
Hmm, seems familiar:
On March 11 2024 11:27 Jealous wrote:
At this point, my order of most likely to be scum individually with no investigations on associations are:
1. CopCake or VE, basically tied.
2. Koshi/Rels/Palmar.
3. MZ.
4. JAT.
5. Iamperfection.
6. DMB.
That's basically my PoE, and I'll work through them in that manner as time allows and as flips come in, basically.
Obviously a few alterations but I think the roadmap can be adjusted at this point.
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Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself?
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On March 12 2024 15:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:23 Jealous wrote:
Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself? I mean yeah that is pretty much it tbh. In the situation where be and cc are scum they might be helpless and both self vote and be sad in qt right? But they aren't, game isn't hopeless, at least two hidden or semi hidden scum out there. Cupcake would have at least the most basic social requirement to them to hold on slightly longer so they have more chance of winning. Hence cc is town who feels they are playing solo and depressed.
Thanks. Not pressuring you directly FWIW, just wanted to bounce ideas and have it said to me in a different way than the way I have been reading it myself through the WIFOM/WIOM fog.
Fucked up part is I can totally see it this way. Have to do some thinking about whether coached scum!CopCake can pull this off for a worst-case 1 for 1 with VE, knowing that both are likely to be lynched, you know? I can see the TvT lynch scenario now for the same reasons you listed, though. Need a clearer mind to wade through the BS.
Sad part is both played so scummy IMO that it's hard to accept an alternative to one of them being scum, but it does indeed feel more likely than before
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On March 13 2024 03:35 iamperfection wrote:I have been reading old palmar games and i may have confirmation bias but in general i would say he is a tad more aggressive as town and certainly more invested i would say. I would say palmar hasnt been that invested and has certainly been more passive which is more similar to his scum games. also as an aside https://tl.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=PalmarThis game is insane and has marv rayn and palmar at endgame and i have no memory of it lol.
Lol:
On March 24 2015 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I so fucking deserved to win this game and you are all fucking bad.
I quit mafia.
I feel you, rayn:
On March 24 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not because i was lynched but because when logic does not dictate the game any more it is not a game for me.
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On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way.
What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state?
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On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state? I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage. I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc. There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl. Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that? I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me. I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar. He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”. You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading.
1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion.
2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding.
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On March 13 2024 07:10 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 06:09 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 05:16 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 05:09 justanothertownie wrote:On March 13 2024 05:06 CopCake wrote:On March 04 2024 12:50 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Trefel do you want to be mayor? Sorry I completely missed this somehow. I wouldn't mind being mayor, I think one advantage of me theoretically being mayor is that I am generally obvious town. I think it's very dangerous to nominate someone like Holyflare as mayor, since he has an extremely terrifying scum game capability, and giving them the extra protection is dangerous. Unfortunately I'm pretty garbage as mafia, and I think someone with a bad scum game is a good choice for mayor. However, I also am garbage at day 1's. Like DarthPunk, I don't think campaigning for mayor makes much sense, if people want to vote for me they can, I'm not going to worry too much about it.
@DarthPunk, why don't you like Oatsmaster? I just read through his filter and it actually seems reasonable to me. This is so weird, why did oatmaster ask Tfrel to be mayor? Why is that interesting in your opinion? They are both dead. Because it was out of nowhere. There must be a reason. Why is analyzing the interactions of the dead players bad? Ofc I am also seeing how Tfrel reacted to others but this pinged me in the wrong way. What is the implication of this interaction to you about the players currently alive and the current game state? I play the game in a different way that you can call garbage. I have had the theory that Tfrel wagon was because - someone was afraid - . I will always ask myself why TTS or even VE werent the lynch if - I understood correctly - the lynch was because Tfrel wasnt engaging enough in contrast to his amazing town game, lack of activity, voting just something, etc. There are factors I noticed that people might have no considered because they do not think they are important but Tfrel had a birthday cake on his username when the game started, he said he wasnt aware it wasnt his birthday so people let it go but it is something that stayed on my head so not seeing a lot of him to me could have been justified because he was busy irl. Other things I considered unfair is that he explained his reasons to be inactive and it was considered AtE. I remember a game in which marv shared something irl and he got questioned of AtE but got the benefit of the doubt. Why didnt Tfrel got that treatment? Why didnt they change TTS when Tfrel posted that? I have played with Tfrel so so so so many games you know he doesnt pull that stuff. I assume others have played more times with him than me. I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar. He calls out Tfrel for just voting for the sake of voting, calls Slam is just Slam but when Slam changes his vote for pressure , “Slam is a good boy”. You can check that part from the Palmar filter to see if I am not missreading. 1. FWIW some people put a fake birthday in their profile, which may be why he "didn't know" it was his birthday. Furthermore, I believe that birthdays align with KST as that is default TL time, so it may have been many hours ahead of his actual birthday, but whatever, not going to dive into this OOG line of discussion. 2. What does any of this have to do with Oats, being mayor, etc.? That's the part I'm not understanding.
Correction, the part I was not understanding is why it's relevant now, but #2 is still a good question. You did address my original question by saying "I am very suspicious of some people that were in his wagon. Specially Palmar."
Didn't want to make it seem like I am moving goalposts on you.
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On March 13 2024 10:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 04:00 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 03:35 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Koshi, please explain how this: On March 12 2024 17:05 Koshi wrote:Ok. Game is still very interesting. I am glad iamp decided to go for VE because that position was unholdable. We blame rayn, marv and sandroba for this one. Next. As palmar said. This is just the first lynch in a mini. No need to worry. I think I actually connected with Jealous yesterday. So I dont scum read him anymore.
I really have to rethink MZ. If our alliance should continue.JAT & Rels. So difficult. Palmar ((( I'll probably will be under fire more and more. Which is fine. Really fun game. Mafia is doing well. Became this: On March 12 2024 17:26 Koshi wrote:
Rels Jealous and MZ
I think Jealous and I were both equally flabbergasted by what was happening yesterday. Should be a good basis to build on comming days.
I have a nagging feeling Rels is mafia since the start. It is that or he is playing quasi perfect and that sits bad. I should reread him for sure but my gut says to look here.
MZ and I are friends now. It is just easier for me if I dont have to think about dmb. MZ pleading to me to look into CC felt townie. On March 12 2024 21:06 Koshi wrote:
Palmar/JAT/Rels then.
Maybe dmb but I trust my man MZ. On March 13 2024 02:16 Koshi wrote:On March 13 2024 01:46 Vivax wrote:
Just waiting for Koshi to townread him so we get the okay from flight control Funny. But he is my ally. No questions asked. With nothing in between. You are taking 2 people who I could see being mafia from the table for very flimsy reasoning. Was there a great reevaluation which you did not tell us? Or did you just forget you were supposed to rethink this? I did. And we are still friends. Sounds like one of you/Mz got the unclaimed whisperer. Inexplicably sad today. Is it one of you It was me. I cba with that. I had the thought during my work that the whisperer not claiming meant it probably ended up on a scum that didn't want the pressure of talking or claiming they had it but wouldn't use it. In my mind, that meant that Palmar/you/JAT/DP/Jealous/Vivax for sure didn't get it. Very, very surprised that you didn't at least claim it during the day
To be fair, as scum!Koshi he could have just never claimed it and the thought that it went to scum would still be the default, so honestly him claiming it later in the cycle is NAI at worst IMO.
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On March 13 2024 10:38 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I just don't get what you're going die here.
Damn what a scum slip ;D
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On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario
CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint.
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On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why?
As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense.
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On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed
I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors.
Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely.
Anyway:
##Vote: CopCake
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Damn, Rels stole my #1 vote spot on CopCake
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Btw, salute to JSL. GG WP.
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On March 13 2024 11:09 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake Yeah I didn't see anything greatly anti-partner indicative in my recollection. I might be wrong
That's wild lol
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On March 13 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:
Another fun fact about this game: Do you know how many times Jealous placed a vote on a day then changed it?
I took a quick look and think it amounts to zero.
Read CopCake as scum.
Switched from CopCake to scum!Oats D1 (pls no misrep), while you stayed on town!VE.
Stayed on CopCake on D2, while you jumped back and forth several times between town! VE and CopCake and ended up on CopCake.
I vote CopCake again on D3, you vote MZ.
Not really seeing the issue here.
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On March 13 2024 12:11 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:
Another fun fact about this game: Do you know how many times Jealous placed a vote on a day then changed it?
I took a quick look and think it amounts to zero. Read CopCake as scum. Switched from CopCake to scum!Oats D1 (pls no misrep), while you stayed on town!VE. Stayed on CopCake on D2, while you jumped back and forth several times between town! VE and CopCake and ended up on CopCake. I vote CopCake again on D3, you vote MZ. Not really seeing the issue here.
EBWOP:
Whoa, definitely messed that up, somehow missed D1 and backdated all the other days.
D1: Came in late, sheeped Koshi's Trfel read, voted Trfel.
D2: Switched from CopCake to scum!Oats (pls no misrep), while you stayed on town!VE.
D3: Stayed on CopCake, while you jumped back and forth several times between town! VE and CopCake and ended up on CopCake.
D4: I vote CopCake again, you vote MZ.
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On March 13 2024 12:12 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:11 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:
Another fun fact about this game: Do you know how many times Jealous placed a vote on a day then changed it?
I took a quick look and think it amounts to zero. Read CopCake as scum. Switched from CopCake to scum!Oats D1 (pls no misrep), while you stayed on town!VE. Stayed on CopCake on D2, while you jumped back and forth several times between town! VE and CopCake and ended up on CopCake. I vote CopCake again on D3, you vote MZ. Not really seeing the issue here. Aside from voting copcake for no reason?
"no reason"
I'm not gonna waste time repeating myself, go ahead and filter me and find all the reasons I provided, some of them several times.
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Fine, brief summary, just for clarity:
1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion.
2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me.
3. Hypocrisy.
4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes.
5. Martyrdom.
Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me.
By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you.
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On March 13 2024 12:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:14 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:12 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:11 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:
Another fun fact about this game: Do you know how many times Jealous placed a vote on a day then changed it?
I took a quick look and think it amounts to zero. Read CopCake as scum. Switched from CopCake to scum!Oats D1 (pls no misrep), while you stayed on town!VE. Stayed on CopCake on D2, while you jumped back and forth several times between town! VE and CopCake and ended up on CopCake. I vote CopCake again on D3, you vote MZ. Not really seeing the issue here. Aside from voting copcake for no reason? "no reason" I'm not gonna waste time repeating myself, go ahead and filter me and find all the reasons I provided, some of them several times. You switched from Cop to Oats first the moment he was redchecked guessing from the vote timing. They are a couple of minutes apart. Nothing less than a move a roleblocker should make. And wasn't that your only switch this game?
Not following your logic here.
I switched because there was a redcheck, seems pretty simple to me. I know that you somehow didn't get the memo and ran a wagon on what we now know is a town.
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On March 13 2024 12:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I don't see a single reason for your vote on her here. You wrote a lot about nothing that would convince others she is scum. Guess who does that?
Dawg you couldn't even muster the effort to check a handful of final vote counts before you made the false accusation that I've never switched my vote. Not gonna take criticism on my amount of effort from you, especially if on top of that you went back just one page in the filter and called it a day. Majority of my lengthy posts on CopCake came in D2 and D3.
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On March 13 2024 12:21 Vivax wrote:
Like you spent two posts arguing on why you are not mafia to place a vote on someone.
Defensive
People tend to get defensive against false accusations/misrep, which is what you tried to do.
On March 13 2024 12:22 Vivax wrote:
Stale reads, stale votes, bad reasoning to vote copcake.
No doubt about other players alignments.
Go find my reads from D3 in my filter.
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On March 13 2024 12:26 Vivax wrote:
Anyone who was sure of copcake being mafia should at least consider that iamp voted to save her and could be scum, or am I wrong?
You're not.
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On March 13 2024 12:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:28 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:25 Vivax wrote:
##Vote: Jealous
We win or lose today Why? We have heaps of mislynches left right? I don't trust those who are surviving the nights. That’s you!! The throwers aren't mafia. I refuse to accept something isn't off in a game where 1 or perhaps even 2 townies self-voted.
Yea, someone must have made them do it?
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New super secret role:
Ophiocordyceps Unilateralis - Select a player. That player must now vote to have themselves lynched during the next day cycle. You can type for them by proxy for their reasoning for doing so.
Is a person who is selected automatically town? Or is that just what they want you to think? Find out on the next episode of "Goofy TL Mafia Stuff"!
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On March 13 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote:
And DP you are being too obtuse about Jealous and MZ for me to place any trust into you at this point. Your confidence interval is too fucking high my dude This is a hard game right now. You're ignoring evidence on Jealous. For two days. And it's not associative. You know how bad it looks for you if he flips scum here. If cop flips town what do we get? Nothing. If she flips scum? Nothing. I am probably the only person who has called Jealous potential mafia in this game. I have yet to see a good reason for him being town that isn't a vote on redchecks.
I mean, to be fair, if Cop flips town then I look pretty dang bad and stupid, and iamp looks pretty good because then there would have been no point in him switching votes and painting a target on his back, right?
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On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then?
Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game.
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On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia?
He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance.
Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like?
1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup.
2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup.
In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations?
Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though.
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On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks.
You're gonna have to walk me through this.
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On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks. You're gonna have to walk me through this. Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired
Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB?
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On March 13 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if jealous is town what then? Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks. You're gonna have to walk me through this. Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB? Exactly. If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing. Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker.
Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks?
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On March 13 2024 14:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:02 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 13:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 13:16 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:
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Assuming Vivax is successful in getting me mislynched D4, then he's been on a town wagon a confirmed 3 times out of 4, with the jury still out on CopCake, and is either scum or really, really bad this game. Do you think he could be mafia? He's been a default TR for me for so long since his D1 claim that I haven't bothered to see if it was mathematically/logically possible. Assuming it is, then there is always a non-0 chance. Like, what would a scum!Vivax world look like? 1. Claims JK and doesn't get cc'd because there is no JK in this setup. 2. If he's JK, then there has to be a scum RB to RB him every night, which is why he hasn't been able to save anyone as far as we can tell, right? But if he's not JK, then there is no longer that necessity in the setup. In this world, scum!Vivax made an absurd D1 play, and then keeps doing relatively absurd things like not voting to lynch what we now know is cop!Slam's reveal of a scum!Oats and instead helping the wagon of town!VE, then flip-flops between town!VE and (I guess in this world we have to assume?) town!CopCake before parking his vote on CopCake... Because he has a tendency to be erratic so it would be NAI and he thinks that his D1 play will give him enough town cred to shrug off any accusations? Unless I'm missing something, it's theoretically possible, right? Still feels unlikely, though. Not unless he and I are mafia together, There are missing roleblocks. You're gonna have to walk me through this. Well assuming they have a roleblocker over a strongarm The fact that I got a shot off means that vivax has to be a jail keeper unless from your perspective we are paired Vivax says he jailed Slam, so if Vivax gets RB'd, Slam and marv die to 2 Mafia KP, and you get your shot off on TTS, no? Where is the missing RB? Exactly. If vivax is mafia why was he roleblocked? And not me? Ergo He is not mafia. Because if he was a roleblock is missing. Unless you think we are partnered or you think it is likely there is no roleblocker. Got it. So then I must have misunderstood what you meant when you said "there are missing roleblocks" because now you're saying there aren't any missing roleblocks? It’s context. if you think vivax is mafia there are missing roleblocks I’m phone posting so shortening sentences.
Gotcha. And the only way you two are scum together is if you also decided to bus TTS.
Would be a pretty fucking legendary play though.
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On March 13 2024 14:22 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 12:42 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 12:40 Vivax wrote:On March 13 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 12:32 Vivax wrote:
And DP you are being too obtuse about Jealous and MZ for me to place any trust into you at this point. Your confidence interval is too fucking high my dude This is a hard game right now. You're ignoring evidence on Jealous. For two days. And it's not associative. You know how bad it looks for you if he flips scum here. If cop flips town what do we get? Nothing. If she flips scum? Nothing. I am probably the only person who has called Jealous potential mafia in this game. I have yet to see a good reason for him being town that isn't a vote on redchecks. I mean, to be fair, if Cop flips town then I look pretty dang bad and stupid, and iamp looks pretty good because then there would have been no point in him switching votes and painting a target on his back, right? No, Iamp called me mafia for dumb reasons and he is the one who changed the hammer.
If you and VE are both town, scum!iamp has no need to switch votes at all because town would have died regardless.
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On March 13 2024 14:34 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who? In that world is either koshi or Palmar.
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@Vivax, forget those old cases I made in my filter which you still have not read, this is my new case.
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On March 13 2024 14:53 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m not even sure what to make of that because it’s too numb to be real
Maybe that is why CopCake says they are a good scum player, because as town they scumslip so much that scumslipping itself becomes NAI, which benefits her when she's scum.
Jokes aside, I can see how this might be just an unfortunate parsing of the question combined with unfortunate phrasing, but man is it unfortunate...
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On March 13 2024 14:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 14:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 14:39 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 14:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 13 2024 14:34 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 14:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Cake if you are town and you know you are town then there are some pretty obvious conclusions to draw from that.
You would have a team of Rels+jealous+ who? In that world is either koshi or Palmar. Wait. What do you mean “in that world”? In the world you are town? The world is rels and jelaous. Tell me your reads in the world you are town then cake. That is important right now. In all worlds I am town, duh The one I firmly believe more RN is Palmar/Koshi Palmar I posted yesterday Koshi when he told me to shut up I got like ???????? He even said cake focus on something different and I wanted to discuss why his change of heart last minute like yeah kill cake she needs to flip, idk about this, yada yada. I wanted to understand the - feelings - and felt like he closed the door in my face.
Wait, so if you perceive people to be mean to you, that means they are scum?
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On March 13 2024 15:58 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 15:57 CopCake wrote:
Why didnt mafia kill them? Or any other?
Because they were not confirmed town, or they like the directions they were pushing, or they were potential lynch candidates or both. I am really trying to think about the game like you are town right now but fuck you make it hard.
What do you find when you think like she's scum?
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On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her.
Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing.
You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example:
On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here?
You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3.
The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it?
You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that.
Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter.
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On March 13 2024 23:59 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her. Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing. You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example: On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here? You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3. The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it? You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter. Will you vote palmar?
If it starts looking like my vote on CopCake will be a waste, I will consider it. I'm certainly not confident enough in my read on him at this time to outright discount it.
I've been following the discourse on Palmar and I do understand the points being made against him. What somewhat bothers me is that he has been pretty consistent in his overall approach to the game, which seems like a foolish thing to do when it's what's netting you scum reads and pressure if you can help it, which I think Palmar can. Furthermore, there are potentially points to be made against the people making the pushes (some of them, including you, are not my firmest town reads at this point). So, I don't feel comfortable just sheeping it when in my mind CopCake has been a more egregious dumpster fire.
However, that might be just because I haven't read Palmar's filter in a while. Before the cycle is done, I will do that + reread the past few pages of cases made against Palmar to see if it clicks for me.
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On March 14 2024 00:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:59 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 08:48 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 08:28 Palmar wrote:
I think Jealous is complaining (he didn't quote it correctly) about my post encouraging Hapa to just play at a lower effort level.
I disagree with Jealous, I think that was a very townie post by me. Yea, my apologies, I only realized on the re-read that I somehow lost that post into somewhere else. But, I'm glad you brought it up. For posterity (so everyone else knows what I was referring to): On March 05 2024 23:58 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 23:50 Hapahauli wrote:
Not a damn thing. I don't want to be a buzz kill or anything, but I literally cannot bring myself to even try every time I sit down and try to start You don't actually have to read the thread, god knows I haven't. Just start talking with people. Mafia is incredibly hard and these people spam like their life depends on it. You just kinda have to accept that you're not playing at 100% capacity and be okay with it. Admitting you haven't read the thread just doesn't feel like a smart thing to be doing regardless of whether you're mafia or town IMO, but especially town. If you're not trying to catch inconsistencies, see apparent partnerships or dissect whether a conflict is genuine or manufactured, what are we doing here? Like, yea, asking questions and using that info to inform your decisions is a thing you're supposed to do, but without a frame of reference it just feels like it's not helping town and can just lead to more confusion than anything. But, you're a more experienced player than me and might have just been trying to be kind to Hapa, I can concede that. In general I liked how you've been posting recently for the most part, but you were also under the microscope for a bit so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Looking forward to see what you do going forward. The bolded is something that I call disengaging. Shows you dont really want to talk to this person. Another thing that I notice is that Jealous asks at least 5 times after his read post on an opinion on JAT. Which is fucking weird.because JAT was a non factor this entire game. Not necessarily true. Jat was a major wagon day 1.
Basically this. I catch up to the thread and it's JAT vs. Trfel, I look into Koshi's argument on Trfel and ask for someone to help me understand why JAT over Trfel the same way Koshi helped me look into why Trfel over JAT.
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On March 14 2024 00:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 15:41 Jealous wrote:On March 12 2024 15:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 12 2024 15:23 Jealous wrote:
Can you elaborate on why CC is town now that VE is town? Because instead of taking the easy dogpile on the wagon, she voted for herself? I mean yeah that is pretty much it tbh. In the situation where be and cc are scum they might be helpless and both self vote and be sad in qt right? But they aren't, game isn't hopeless, at least two hidden or semi hidden scum out there. Cupcake would have at least the most basic social requirement to them to hold on slightly longer so they have more chance of winning. Hence cc is town who feels they are playing solo and depressed. Thanks. Not pressuring you directly FWIW, just wanted to bounce ideas and have it said to me in a different way than the way I have been reading it myself through the WIFOM/WIOM fog. Fucked up part is I can totally see it this way. Have to do some thinking about whether coached scum!CopCake can pull this off for a worst-case 1 for 1 with VE, knowing that both are likely to be lynched, you know? I can see the TvT lynch scenario now for the same reasons you listed, though. Need a clearer mind to wade through the BS. Sad part is both played so scummy IMO that it's hard to accept an alternative to one of them being scum, but it does indeed feel more likely than before Jealous why did you vote cc after this point made by JSL
Because even though I can acknowledge a point someone made and their genuine belief in it, I can still feel that my original position makes more sense overall? It may have shifted my confidence from 90% to 80% but not enough to get me to change my mind entirely?
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Bro, after coming into the game like 36 hours late I sheeped your read and vote on Trfel, which in your world looks bad for me that I didn't vote for JAT? Lmao
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On March 14 2024 00:31 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:30 Jealous wrote:
Bro, after coming into the game like 36 hours late I sheeped your read and vote on Trfel, which in your world looks bad for me that I didn't vote for JAT? Lmao Some say trfel was iamps wagon, some say it was mine depending on how it suits them at the moment. You spend too much time arguing about my bad votes when you should know I‘m confirmed town so that makes you a lowly shitflinger, not a scumhunter
Was responding to Koshi, because Koshi is the one who gave me the read on Trfel on D1.
The timing of the posts here was unfortunate because your post came up between mine and Koshi's, so I can forgive the self-insert here, but as I said earlier, I'm done defending myself against you. For example, your most recent interpretation of my scum!iamp quote is the most ungenerous interpretation possible, because you already scum read me and will just twist any post you find to fit your narrative. That's fine, keep digging that tunnel.
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On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting.
I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you.
I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it?
I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either.
No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't.
In short, OMGUS.
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On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed.
Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing.
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On March 14 2024 00:47 Koshi wrote:
Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar just need to talk about Jealous, dmb, JAT and Palmar.
DP and CC need to stfu.
MZ will do fine because he is one of the few still doing the work.
Rels is the town hero that currently is addicted to hookers & cocaine but will turn his life around and lead us to victory once again.
I was pretty much locked town on DMB after Oats voted to lynch her in D2 within 13 seconds of Slam posting the Oats reveal (according to Slam).
However, Rels brought up a good point here:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=271#5414
Basically, Oats had been building the DMB case for a long time, so auto-voting DMB doesn't necessarily preclude them from being town. It's WIFOM, but would scum!Oats spend the early game building a case against scum!DMB and then auto-vote them at start of D2? Rels seems to think so. I find it unlikely, but with this case, Rels certainly introduced doubt into the equation. Furthermore, DMB was one of the people that CopCake gave a default TR to after inviting them to that tea party.
Frankly I find it hard to put a finger on DMB's play in general because much like CopCake, I feel like I am either not understanding what they are saying or they aren't making sense a lot of the time, which makes it frustrating to follow their play/logic and form a read on them. So, I've been sticking to my default TR up until now. I do recall some good posts from them, but also some not great ones. I guess I'll bite the bullet and dive DMB after Palmar later today.
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On March 14 2024 00:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 00:52 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed. Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing. How you know mislynch. Why not just go read palmar?
Because I'm town and lynching town is a mislynch?
Because I'm hopping back and forth from work, when diving filters I'd prefer to do it on a break or after my shift.
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On March 14 2024 00:58 Vivax wrote:
Rels did something good by voting copcake and it was to give Jealous the comfort zone to attempt to park there again and not look elsewhere for the rest of the day.
It‘s like Jealous thought it was over the moment he finished his convo with him.
That‘s when you pull up and drag him out of the bed he made.
He voted as I was responding to a post, and in the post I wrote, I wrote that I would be voting for CopCake. Without having ever seen his post that indicated he voted for CopCake. I even pointed it out as soon as I saw it happen. Doesn't matter though, you're full tunneled.
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On March 14 2024 01:10 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 01:02 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:54 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 00:52 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:48 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 00:46 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 00:33 Vivax wrote:
You put special emphasis on how I voted Ve when you were on Oats but you had no intention of calling me mafia
You can‘t prove you‘re town so you have to resort to discrediting. I'm not trying to prove that you are scum because as I've said in every single reads post I've made, I don't think that it's likely. I'm demonstrating that your approach to the game has been consistently wrong. A town who consistently mislynches towns and starts wagons on towns is just being a bad town player. My defense against your accusations is that accusations coming from someone who has consistently been wrong shouldn't hold water. So, in essence, yes, I am discrediting you. I don't have a role claim to hide behind to prove I am town. If VTs could just prove without a shadow of a doubt that they are town, then there wouldn't be much of a point to this game, would it? I pointed out that my vote on Oats never wavered while many others' did. But, that doesn't prove I'm town. It's just one piece of information in a bigger picture. Another would be that I've been scumreading TTS from the start. But, again, that doesn't prove I'm town. I could point out that if CopCake gets lynched and flips scum, then I'll have essentially bussed three of my supposed teammates, while you tunneled on town!VE. But CopCake didn't get lynched, VE did, and it doesn't look like CopCake is getting lynched today either, so I don't have proof there either. No matter how you slice it, besides you getting a role PM and then claiming it on D1, your actions would look objectively worse than mine (not saying that claiming D1 was a great move either). But because you put yourself in this position of being practically confirmed town, you think that makes you above reproach. It doesn't. In short, OMGUS. Ah yes. More wall of texts talking to confirmed town. Just what we needed. Talking to confirmed town that is going to drive yet another mislynch wagon with their tunnel vision, yes. But you're right, I said I'm done talking to Vivax because it's clear he is dug in and will never change his mind, so I'm just wasting my breath by continuing. How you know mislynch. Why not just go read palmar? Because I'm town and lynching town is a mislynch? Because I'm hopping back and forth from work, when diving filters I'd prefer to do it on a break or after my shift. He isn't even voting you?
He stated pretty firmly that making this case on me is all he wants to do today, so even if he hasn't gotten around to voting for me, I think the inferred intent is pretty obvious, hence "going to." But, semantics, etc.
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Damn, some of those Koshi posts look even worse than I remember them to be. Good dig, CopCake.
I think the "pitting DP against CopCake" seems a bit too paranoid for me to jump on. DP seems like the type of person who would do whatever they felt like, whenever they felt like it. I doubt anyone could coerce him to cause drama for no reason. This is probably aided by the fact that I perceived a lot of your posts/"style" the same way he did, and no one pushed me to do that, either.
Back to Koshi, the changes in reads on people like MZ feel almost gut-based, or at least they are not fully explained. I don't think that's necessarily AI overall; several people here seem to hop from one wagon to another, change their reads on a dime, etc. and they can't all be scum. Specific instances can open the window for pressure though, so I like that CopCake pointed out specific inconsistencies. Let's see what Koshi does in response.
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Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions:
1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?
To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture.
I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far.
Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc):
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. [B]On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
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On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong
Lmao the shade TT__TT
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On March 14 2024 13:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Ahh fuck broken links
I demand that the missing pictures be shared posthaste.
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On March 14 2024 18:12 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 13:07 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. Copcake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because Jat says thats how koshi plays and then votes palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes palmar is the most likely mafia. The me dropping the Koshi case is because no one said “good catch!” Except jelaous so I believed I was wrong Hahahahahahaha. RIP Jealous.
Glad I wasn't the only one to see it TT__TT
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On March 14 2024 18:50 Palmar wrote:
Unfortunately I guess what I need is to get CC in the thread somehow and actually argue with her and I really, really don't like arguing with insane people.
@CC when you see this, lay out (again, I know I've asked you to do this before) why you're voting for me. Preferably make it at least 2 or 3 paragraphs. I don't need quotes of my posts unless you want to, just an outline of why you think I'm scum this game.
On March 14 2024 16:40 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 12:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 14 2024 07:03 Palmar wrote:Too many people have decided to play weird this game too. Like we should objectively lynch CC for making absolutely no sense. Her reads are terrible, and the way in which she achieves them is terrible. Her constant tinfoiling is super annoying and doesn't actually help anyone. Do I know if she's mafia for it? No. I'm probably going to vote her this cycle because I see no chance of getting iamp killed this cycle. Also, this has been in the back of my mind the entire game, because it was like the one point I agreed with rayn on when we were arguing on N1 On March 06 2024 22:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 21:40 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 20:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
why do you* I dont think he is town. Its impossible youthink DP is pocketing Palmar if you dont think Palmar is town, if youre town. So i guess youre mafia. This is a good post, why did it take you forever to see this though? Why not see this last phase When i pointed it out? Why is cake 'deciding to play weird' and not just mafia? Because people play like mafia as town all the time and I keep lynching them for it and they keep flipping town. VE this game. Vivax last game. Etc How the hell am I supposed to now CC isn’t just a logically compromised crazy person.
On March 14 2024 12:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered? I dont think its impossible. Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all.I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though.
Why does it feel like some of you people are just saying this now?
I know DP was on this wavelength with me all the way back in D2 when we were in mason chat, but where were all of you?
If such a huge proportion of a players' posts are directionless or non-sequitur, isn't that anti-town?
If we all posted in confounding ways, how would any game ever get solved?
And somehow it's being held against me that I've parked my vote on the most consistently "confounding" "crazy" "insane" person in the game? Stop gaslighting me.
Besides that Koshi dive she wrote, basically nothing has significantly moved the needle on CopCake's alignment for me. I can't recall a solid argument from any of you as to why CopCake is town besides meta reads and *shrug*.
So, the same way Vivax basically asked me to "prove" I am town (lol), can someone "prove" to me that CopCake is more likely to be town than scum at this point?
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On March 14 2024 16:00 CopCake wrote:
Btw Jelaous, do you think I explained why Koshi looks scummy in those posts or not and why?
I think you explained why you believe Koshi looks scummy and I was able to follow your reasoning for the most part. I do agree that in a vacuum, some of the things you pointed out would make a person look scummy.
However, I would like to point out that if unexplained, random inconsistency is a scummy trait, you must then concede that my case on you holds about as much water.
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On March 15 2024 00:52 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats" Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect. I'll go look.
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=127#2530
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On March 15 2024 01:01 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:52 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:45 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote:On March 15 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 00:39 Koshi wrote:
I wonder if JAT asking marv to switch to VE was him trying to get Oats not lynched. Because they needed 2 votes. When did that ever happen? Quotes please. I can only do an indirect quote. No I cant cuz I dont want to go search. But somebody recently said: "JAT asked permission on marv to move to Oats" Ah, somebody said, eh? You are full of shit. With all due respect. I'll go look. https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=127#2530
This post follows a similar logic but applies to a different scenario, found it while I was looking:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=165#3291
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On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong.
Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle.
##Vote: Jealous
^ There's my proof that I'm town.
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On March 15 2024 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Both of those posts have nothing to do with what Koshi said.
Whoops. Guess it's a more common trope than I thought. When he mentioned the permission thing, that first link was what I thought of.
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On March 15 2024 01:05 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town. Doesn’t work when you do it lol.
u_u
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On March 15 2024 01:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 01:04 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong. Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle. ##Vote: Jealous^ There's my proof that I'm town. Actually I just realized you're one of the people I noticed was straggler voting when I woke up. Are you going to leave your vote on CC?
Addressed previously:
On March 14 2024 00:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 23:59 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 23:26 Vivax wrote:
Koshi I will lynch Palmar with you if you look at Jealous.
I think he's the guy with the good role.
There's just nothing townie about what he did today. Nothing. You don't have to read an entire filter just from the start of this day and end of night when he was talking to Rels.
He jumped to a copcake vote from an associative of him not being mafia with her. Please stop the misrep, it's getting embarrassing. You've been reading this game wrong since Day 1, maybe it's time to start questioning your world view. For example: On March 09 2024 15:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 13:03 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 13:01 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:53 Vivax wrote:On March 09 2024 12:49 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:21 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote:
Very good play by Oats.
Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely. So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats? Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon? And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons? Hmm 🤔 Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this. It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today. Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked. So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right? How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh One last thing I realized before I pass out, it's like you are trying to construct a triple bus narrative with the bolded above. Namely, by saying that scum!Jealous would defend scum!VE by not voting for scum!VE over scum!Oats and being one of the people who was first to vote for scum!Oats against scum!Oats' direct pressure against scum!Jealous and scum!Jealous remaining on the scum!Oats wagon. In this world, scum!Jealous pressures you on your scum!VE narrative right after the lynch to make it the full triple triangle super scum bus, right? Pretty sure that is the only way to interpret your accusation. TLDR: Do you really think that scum!Jealous + scum!Oats + scum!VE and triple bus by scum!Jealous makes sense, which is the narrative you were trying to paint here? You never answered (why?), but you do see how stupid this narrative was, right? To your slight credit you at least ended up on CopCake instead of VE, but the fact remains that immediately after you nearly achieved a ML on VE over a redchecked Oats on D2 you were ready to do it again D3. The great part of the above quote is that it serves as further evidence that I've consistently considered CopCake my top scum both before and after the redcheck, and since then (because I'm pushing back against your decision to lynch VE D3, just for clarity). Nothing about her play has significantly changed or changed my perspective on that - so why would I pivot off of it? You misrep my case on CopCake because you simply don't bother to read my filter where I made several cases on her. In fact, you seem to have skipped my most recent post which conveniently outlined a summary of my previous points for you. Somehow this is now just an association vote. Fuck outta here with that. Go ahead and tunnel on me, I'm not going to bother defending myself further against a person who misreps me after refusing to read my filter. Will you vote palmar? If it starts looking like my vote on CopCake will be a waste, I will consider it. I'm certainly not confident enough in my read on him at this time to outright discount it. I've been following the discourse on Palmar and I do understand the points being made against him. What somewhat bothers me is that he has been pretty consistent in his overall approach to the game, which seems like a foolish thing to do when it's what's netting you scum reads and pressure if you can help it, which I think Palmar can. Furthermore, there are potentially points to be made against the people making the pushes (some of them, including you, are not my firmest town reads at this point). So, I don't feel comfortable just sheeping it when in my mind CopCake has been a more egregious dumpster fire. However, that might be just because I haven't read Palmar's filter in a while. Before the cycle is done, I will do that + reread the past few pages of cases made against Palmar to see if it clicks for me.
Though my D1 filtering of Palmar seems too townie for me at the moment to consider him my #1 alternative lynch to CopCake. Will have to finish that dive later today to be sure, got back home too tired yesterday.
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On March 15 2024 05:20 CopCake wrote:
Iamp also started the Tfrel wagon.
Iamp saved me.
So you think he intentionally painted a target on his back as scum?
Or was this a scum slip?
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On March 15 2024 07:54 iamperfection wrote:
where does jealous live do we know ?
States as DP said, just got off work and am finishing my Palmar filter post that I started yesterday.
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On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Show nested quote +On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately
I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context.
Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level.
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On March 15 2024 08:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 08:15 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context. Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level. have you seen the dick move analysis?
That because she says she is going to get a replacement, that she is town? I'm tired of the theatrics tbh.
Trying to understand CopCake is exhausting in itself, so trying to untangle whether this is an act or not on top of that is just not worth the brainpower. If she's town, she fulfills her prophecy of being absolutely shit as town. If she's scum, I guess it would be her second time fulfilling the prophecy that she's "good" as scum by saving herself with emotional appeals (which she said were tasteless in this very game btw).
I think it's a fucking garbage situation and people who play like that shouldn't be allowed to play, period, regardless of alignment. But, because people decided to lynch VE instead, this is our world now, and if I get lynched today, for me it means that the nightmare of trying to lynch the player who made the most inane, manipulative, and scummy plays in the game is finally over. Will be fun watching Vivax have egg on his face, too
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On March 15 2024 08:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 08:28 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:17 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 08:15 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 08:01 iamperfection wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:
Kind of lost
I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation
If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me
DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. On March 13 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 11:02 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:59 Jealous wrote:On March 13 2024 10:55 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:
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CopCake and me both being scum would be an Oscar-worthy performance for both of us I think. I'm simply not the thespian you seem to think I am. Sorry to disappoint. You have my interest, why? As hypocritical as it may be, CopCake's hurt-posting and self-vote felt pretty genuine, I was immobile to lynch her D2, and she didn't switch off of herself either. The only reason she didn't get lynched is because of iamperfect. So your team would have to be two great actors in Me/CC and a painfully obvious hammer on VE from iamperfect. Nothing else would really make sense. Oh I thought it was going to be about some back and forth between you and CC that made it impossible to be partner, a little disappointed :p Really disagree with the martyring part. First, I already found a post from anoter scum game of her where she martyred. Second, you cannot know she wasn't there, ready to ninja vote VE at the last minute if needed I mean, there wasn't that much back-and-forth because after a while she just stopped responding to me in any intelligible manner, but I was lock CopCake the whole time and was who I focused my energy on casing several times D2. Point being, if you think that I can pretend to push CopCake, and CopCake can pretend to be upset with me, and then we both risk her getting lynched, then we would have to be good actors. Really didn't think this would be a controversial take or something that needs explaining but maybe you weren't following closely. Anyway: ##Vote: CopCake I think i brought this up earlier but i thought this was odd. Back to back posts. Saying that cop hurt posting felt genuine then voting immediately I even pointed out that this is hypocritical. It did feel genuine to me, but even scum being called out for their dumb takes can get butthurt about it. It was enough to make the needle move slightly for me but it doesn't outweigh everything else she's said/done throughout the game. Still, it can be an act, and if it is, it's a really good one, which is my point in this context. Core of the post though was that I don't see any world where the CC/Jealous team makes sense unless we're both actors of that level. have you seen the dick move analysis? That because she says she is going to get a replacement, that she is town? I'm tired of the theatrics tbh. Trying to understand CopCake is exhausting in itself, so trying to untangle whether this is an act or not on top of that is just not worth the brainpower. If she's town, she fulfills her prophecy of being absolutely shit as town. If she's scum, I guess it would be her second time fulfilling the prophecy that she's "good" as scum by saving herself with emotional appeals (which she said were tasteless in this very game btw). I think it's a fucking garbage situation and people who play like that shouldn't be allowed to play, period, regardless of alignment. But, because people decided to lynch VE instead, this is our world now, and if I get lynched today, for me it means that the nightmare of trying to lynch the player who made the most inane, manipulative, and scummy plays in the game is finally over. Will be fun watching Vivax have egg on his face, too I completely agree but it’s time to move on to something else imo
I was literally asked the question, though. Should I have just ignored it?
This is still my strongest scum read at the moment, and no matter what:
![[image loading]](https://media.tenor.com/tzd8JpOGrGIAAAAM/she-can%27t-keep-getting-away-with-this.gifp)
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On March 15 2024 08:42 DarthPunk wrote:You sussing koshi and perfection here?
FWIW CopCake doesn't look great here either but what else is new.
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Frankly I'm finding it hard to summon the fucks to give after defending myself against Vivax's constant misrepping and his shitty way of applying pressure.
My current analysis is that what we have going on right now is either:
1. Mafia eating popcorn in the background watching town cannibalize itself and making townies squirm, or
2. Mafia riding the wave of thread sentiment and voting as a spread-out bloc, mixed in with aggressive tunneled townies like Vivax likely/hopefully is, for the same purposes.
I think this is one of those times where seeing the pattern of crossed out names might actually be interesting to look into, but I ain't doin' all that.
Anyway, now that the tides have shifted again, it's supposedly my turn to "prove" I'm town as Vivax said. So, I'm finishing my Palmar read, which frankly isn't going great because there is enough in that bloat that there is evidence of him both operating in seemingly genuine townie fashion and moments where he seems just downright lazy and "coasting" because he isn't a primary target. But since I've already started, gonna finish that up and head out for dinner, but I'll tune back in for EOD.
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On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed.
Example:
On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't.
His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot:
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO.
But does he bus this hard on D2?
On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this:
On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake
This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR:
On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect.
Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba:
On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who.
Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though).
--[b]Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible.
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On March 15 2024 09:09 DarthPunk wrote:
You know If jealous was not trying to get lynched as mafia that is the worst set of reads possible for his own survival.
How come?
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On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions???
Wanted to take a smoke break which happened to align with about 100 posts of almost nothing from Palmar, so I thought it was a nice touch
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On March 15 2024 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:31 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 09:09 DarthPunk wrote:
You know If jealous was not trying to get lynched as mafia that is the worst set of reads possible for his own survival. How come? Just unlikely to lynch any of those based on current thread sentiment.
Oh lol. Yea I try not to let the chaotic state of EOD affect my filter read, would be disingenuous.
I thought you were saying the reads themselves were bad, that'd be a more interesting discussion.
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On March 15 2024 09:45 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm chasing down dumb shit honestly.
My last attempt was to do an analysis on dmb based on how often she used the word "fucking". Cause I remember her being aggressive last game and much more mellow this one. But turns out she still loves dropping the f-bombs just as much. Do you say you don´t like me to use the word fuck?? I can change that for you. Would you prefer ego busted dickhead again or something new like self-absorbed douchebag?? Do you really want to make a read based on my swearing here?
Did I miss something? Why so mad at Palmar?
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On March 15 2024 09:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:44 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions??? Wanted to take a smoke break which happened to align with about 100 posts of almost nothing from Palmar, so I thought it was a nice touch wouldnt you think a 100 posts of nothing to be more from mafia? Why say that when you just reached no conclusion after a filter dive?
My overall feel about Palmar definitely went down the further I got into the filter, from "pretty damn town" to "meh," and I can totally see a scum!Palmar world. I just think the ones below him are more likely.
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On March 15 2024 09:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:44 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 09:38 Vivax wrote:
He should be blindly spamming panicked posts that change target every time like the pros. There is no sense of urgency. No pressure. Just disclaimers, fine print, polished reads. Intermissions??? Wanted to take a smoke break which happened to align with about 100 posts of almost nothing from Palmar, so I thought it was a nice touch wouldnt you think a 100 posts of nothing to be more from mafia? Why say that when you just reached no conclusion after a filter dive?
Oh, for clarity, it was what I referred to as that midpoint to 3/4 point of his filter.
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On March 15 2024 09:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 09:48 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 09:45 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:
I'm chasing down dumb shit honestly.
My last attempt was to do an analysis on dmb based on how often she used the word "fucking". Cause I remember her being aggressive last game and much more mellow this one. But turns out she still loves dropping the f-bombs just as much. Do you say you don´t like me to use the word fuck?? I can change that for you. Would you prefer ego busted dickhead again or something new like self-absorbed douchebag?? Do you really want to make a read based on my swearing here? Did I miss something? Why so mad at Palmar? I am always mad at Palmar. But he plays like moron as Town and now as well so I am not sure if I should vote him or fucking not.
Damn, brutal.
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Alright so I read most of JAT's filter (skipped the last 10% or so because that is still fairly clear in my memory at the moment and doubt it would change my mind).
As opposed to Palmar, who I would say has more middling posts/takes and few at either extreme, I'd say that JAT is a bit more heavily opinionated and driven in his posts, with more good posts and bad takes, but definitely more good posts than bad IMO. Even if he is wrong, even if he was proven wrong, he just keeps trucking on. Quite a few high effort posts that I follow the logic of throughout and would give town points for, even if I don't agree with them necessarily.
Feels much more like a person trying to solve the game, in other words, even if they don't always hit the mark. I'd put JAT above Palmar because of this tbh (when it comes to towniness). I wouldn't lynch him today.
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On March 15 2024 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous, dmb, vivax etc. please jump on.
Jump on what? I never left.
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On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched
FWIW I think the only reason I don't care, but am forcing myself to care because a ML is bad for town and therefore goes against my win condition, is because Vivax diarrhea posting a shitty case on me that seemed to never end. I don't recall ever being misrepped and interpreted in the most negative way possible so consistently by anyone else, save for a particularly vindictive ex-girlfriend.
So at first I was frustrated by Vivax, then I got frustrated VT my getting frustrated by Vivax, and then I just achieved zen and stopped giving too many fucks.
However, I don't get the argument of "Jealous is scum because he isn't fighting his lynch too hard," so I'd need that one explained to me. Both scum and town don't want to be lynched, so what does a lack of fucks really indicate?
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On March 15 2024 10:39 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:35 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched FWIW I think the only reason I don't care, but am forcing myself to care because a ML is bad for town and therefore goes against my win condition, is because Vivax diarrhea posting a shitty case on me that seemed to never end. I don't recall ever being misrepped and interpreted in the most negative way possible so consistently by anyone else, save for a particularly vindictive ex-girlfriend. So at first I was frustrated by Vivax, then I got frustrated VT my getting frustrated by Vivax, and then I just achieved zen and stopped giving too many fucks. However, I don't get the argument of "Jealous is scum because he isn't fighting his lynch too hard," so I'd need that one explained to me. Both scum and town don't want to be lynched, so what does a lack of fucks really indicate? You're right that a lack of care doesn't make you scum by itself. It also doesn't make you town though. What I'm saying there is that your behavior around the deadline is not making me doubt my read I'm really, really sorry if you're town, I know it has immensely frustrating to be in that position
My point exactly. It's NAI. The will of the mob is what it is.
All good bro, appreciate it.
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On March 15 2024 10:43 iamperfection wrote:
jealous still around ?
Whattup playa
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On March 15 2024 10:41 Rels wrote:
In case it comes to CC vs Jealous
##Unvote
##Vote Jealous
Gotta prepare you for the future where you will have to defend both this flip and the VE wagon. GLHF.
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Drunk posting caveat.
Imagine I just ##vote Jealous right now just to make a statement.
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I'd come back and see y'all in another 7 years or so.
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On March 15 2024 10:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:57 Jealous wrote:
Drunk posting caveat.
Imagine I just ##vote Jealous right now just to make a statement. Do it
My win condition won't let me.
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On March 15 2024 11:00 Rels wrote:
Really think we're making the wrong choice though
Still firmly believe that no matter the flip this is the right choice.
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Anything y'all say is justified. It is what it is.
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On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer.
^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO.
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On March 15 2024 11:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. Why? It‘s a signature mafia move. Guy is right on almost everything and unemotional. Can‘t wait for the Nk, then I think we try Jealous again
At first I felt bad because I was "wrong" for so long. Then I felt better because I realized I don't have to keep pointing out all the things CopCake did. Then I realized I still have to deal with you and now it looks worse for me and I went uwu
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On March 15 2024 11:09 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. ehhhhh?
Your hammer on VE was inconsequential as a result of this vote.
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On March 15 2024 11:07 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote:
Good wagons, still unhappy.
Should clear up a bit. on which planet where that two got wagons?
The planet where I am scum and all-inned on a 1 for 1 mislynch.
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On March 15 2024 11:10 Vivax wrote:
I was afraid to take responsibility for the Jealous lynch tbh.
But it was probably the correct one
You would have had to deal with ?CopCake as opposed to ?Jealous from your POV so I think you made the right choice tbh.
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Scum, I dare you to NK me and make it interesting. DARE YOU.
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On March 15 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:
Fuck I don't know if I want to push that against you, it's so unfair if you're town. But it's also so EASY! "Yeah she asked me to vote her, a townread of mine, I guess I had no choice even though the opposite wagon is a scumread" ???????
THAT MAKES NO SENSE and yet it feels very very dirty to push it in case I'm wrong
Added bonus is if DMB flips scum, I look even worse. It'd be like a 1 for 2.
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On March 15 2024 11:21 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 23:51 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 11:02 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (6): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (10):
With 6 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Oatsmaster (3) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
ToTheStars (3): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove
Palmar (3) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (2): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
Koshi (1) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
DarthPunk (1) : raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
CopCake (0): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Not Voting(8):
Jealous, DMB, MZ, Palmar, Hapahauli, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes, Trfel
With 3 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Call it a wild theory but I'd guess there's already easy mafia to find among the nonvoters here, possibly multiple.
I know my cred is low rn but trust me when I say that I was 100% out of commission from game start due to personal reasons - both good and bad - for like 36 hours.
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On March 15 2024 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:10 Vivax wrote:
I was afraid to take responsibility for the Jealous lynch tbh.
But it was probably the correct one This is sooo wtf btw. Just fucking vote your scum read then if you disagree about cake I was very clear that this was a lynch that I thought was town 80% of the time. I still think it was a good lynch overall.
Agreed.
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On March 15 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you do self-wagon analysis? If you know your alignment you should be able to discern where the mafia is somewhat?
Not dodging just busy, tomorrow before EOD ET.
I'm at the pool hall getting into trouble 😂
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On March 15 2024 11:32 Rels wrote:
going to sleep soon, going climbing tomorrow morning. Which BTW if you're all geeks like me (and if you're not, what are you doing in a starcraft forum??), is like the perfect sport. I never liked doing ANY sport in my life, hate going to the gym etc., but climbing is like, making your brain work all the time while you're exercising. Such a perfect sport IMO, 10/10 recommendation
It's great I used to be a gymnastics coach In a gym with a wall in the other half of the gym, all good people and great exercise.
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On March 15 2024 11:36 Vivax wrote:
Jealous seeked safety in Rels voting Copcake not the other way around at the start of the day.
I'm pretty dead set on him tomorrow (nothing personal, but I don't believe you'd solve the way you do).
Then the trick becomes figuring out among the JAT/MZ/Rels triad and Palmar/iamp.
Still catching up but I literally did not know he voted CC when I said I would, and even commented on it. I don't shy away from my desire to be #1 CC vote even now. I didn't sheep anyone. Make of it what you will.
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On March 15 2024 13:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:36 Vivax wrote:
Jealous seeked safety in Rels voting Copcake not the other way around at the start of the day.
I'm pretty dead set on him tomorrow (nothing personal, but I don't believe you'd solve the way you do).
Then the trick becomes figuring out among the JAT/MZ/Rels triad and Palmar/iamp. Still catching up but I literally did not know he voted CC when I said I would, and even commented on it. I don't shy away from my desire to be #1 CC vote even now. I didn't sheep anyone. Make of it what you will.
And I said this before so this is another classic Vivax misrep.
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On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific
I agree but to be fair I started this post like 30 hours ago when I was asked then I went to play footie then I came home and sat in a hot bath for about an hour then I went to sleep and figured "I'll finish tomorrow" then by the time I'm done I'm under pressure and the top lynch so it is what it is.
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On March 15 2024 11:42 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:37 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 11:34 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 DarthPunk wrote:On March 15 2024 11:30 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:24 Vivax wrote:
Jealous/MZ/Iamp/Palmar/JAT could have them all from the nonvoters when we had 2 or possibly three wagons on mafia at once.
Jat and Palmar together unlikely Yeah JAT has been so similar to me, the only way he's scum in my mind if is if he's purposefully copying everything I'm saying and pasting it back. Even though he shouldn't be by logic alone, I think he is my strongest townread. I would be like, honored, if he's scum and chose to mimic me. And also would learn from my mistakes for the next game hopefully lol Maybe you are scum together Mixing our fake reads in a big pastebin and taking them out when we need them? It’s the next level of bussing wifom. Makes sense if you bussed the other half of your team for example. You just realized that you were wrong all game on CopCake. You were the main cause of that almost mislynch yesterday and actual mislynch today. PLEASE take the time to readjust
Tbf it is at minimum 50% my fault I think.
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On March 15 2024 11:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific Okey yes then maybe I should have taken this post more seriously and sorry that I didn´t get how scummy that actually was. But I only had one thing on my mind and that is more personally important than J at the moment. This game takes a lot of time, nerves and energy. If you don't enjoy it anymore. No more energy and always on the verge of being lynched but not lynched. If you always have to defend yourself for 30 pages and therefore can't really try to find scum, then it's really depressing. I want Cake to come back in future games and not give up playing here. I just wanted the best for her, even if it wasn't the best for Town. I rather lose as Town as losing a player for ever Hope you're doing better in obs <3
Hate this. Not in a scummy way, but in a "I signed up for rainbows and teddy bears but now I get pressured for being illegible so I'm gonna call it quits." Sympathy has to end somewhere, it should not be a part of metrics for voting or participation in these games tbh. She could have just requested a replacement in D2. This is not a valid excuse to play like town!CopCake did and I stand by it because it can easily be leveraged by future scum.
Like the ◇♡KOOlAiD man I bUST in and say whoop wow scum is town GfG ##lynch me gg.
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On March 15 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Maybe mz is the last.
MZ absence in last what, 12 hours if memory serves, is ???
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On March 15 2024 15:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 13:26 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Maybe mz is the last. MZ absence in last what, 12 hours if memory serves, is ??? Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm flying tonight, won't be around much the rest of the day When I say I'm flying, what my day looks like is 5 hours of mission planning and briefing, an hour and a half of preflight checks and ground operations, 5+ hours of flying, and 2 or more hours of debriefing depending on the profile. Some days I can catch up on my phone during mission planning, some days I can't. Today I had some extra mission requirements to knock out so I could not. I have 30 pages to catch up on and its after midnight, I'll do that tomorrow and then I'll be around all weekend if I'm alive. Looks like you guys lynched CC from the voting thread, great fucking job everyone.
Fair, you did warn, my b.
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On March 15 2024 15:42 Koshi wrote:
Hope you find some peace and rest CC.
This thread mistreated you.
I kinda feel the opposite tbh.
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On March 15 2024 15:32 justanothertownie wrote:
That was a really terrible lynch for all intents and purposes except game integrity.
Palmar anything to say about this one? IIRC "anyone who says town did bad" is bad, no?
If your name is not Vivax, name one person who was more worthy of a lynch based on game play alone.
DMB, save your breath too, this is an emotional thing for you.
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On March 15 2024 16:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 15:32 justanothertownie wrote:
That was a really terrible lynch for all intents and purposes except game integrity. Palmar anything to say about this one? IIRC "anyone who says town did bad" is bad, no? If your name is not Vivax, name one person who was more worthy of a lynch based on game play alone. DMB, save your breath too, this is an emotional thing for you.
You can do it at EOD if that makes you feel safer.
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As for me, my next target is Koshi as of right now. But, I will have to do some leg work.
Lol auto corrected it to keg work. Might have to do that too.
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On March 15 2024 13:38 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 13:36 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 13:35 Vivax wrote:
6 v 3 tomorrow
If there‘s traitor 5 v 4 lylo
fun it dosnt work that way I hope it doesn‘t. Jealous is auto might as well just shitpost tomorrow
If you think scum!Jealous spent 3 cycles* voting for a 1 for 1 with CopCake you need to find an adult.
*caveat being I switched from Cop to Oats.
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On March 15 2024 11:29 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you do self-wagon analysis? If you know your alignment you should be able to discern where the mafia is somewhat?
Because it's TvT, I don't think there is much analysis to be done to be honest. I was hoping that there would be some pattern to how votes moved throughout the day, but I am becoming more and more convinced that scum just mixed themselves in well in between townie waves of votes. Furthermore, because of the rapidly changing wagons yesterday, some people have been on just about every wagon, which makes it even more difficult.
Notable exceptions:
1. Palmar never jumped on my wagon.
2. JAT never jumped on CopCake.
Overall, because of the rampant tomfoolery, I think most of the votes are NAI. However, if I had to guess and going by my prior reads, I'd say most of the scum is on me. In my mason chat with DP, I mentioned that I feel like I might just be a useful idiot for scum, but I would think that when presented with the option of lynching either me or Cop, most sane individuals would choose to lynch me because I am actually invested in playing and make more posts that make more sense. So, I think it has to be between Palmar, Koshi, JAT, and Rels at the moment.
Previous analysis would point to Koshi, but I am starting to think that Rels' clean play in the first few days as more indicative than I previously did. I'll have to dive both to decide which I think is more likely to be scum at this point, but I am fairly sure there is at least one between the two of them.
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Should have been CopCake wagon like point 2, I'm hung over and I fucked up.
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On March 16 2024 02:14 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 01:02 Jealous wrote:
Notable exceptions:
1. Palmar never jumped on my wagon. ??? he literally ended on your wagon. Maybe the plan in the discord wasn't to.
Iamp confirmed town for me for trying to find the most charitable interpretation of my fuck up.
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On March 16 2024 02:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 02:21 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 02:14 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 02:11 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 01:02 Jealous wrote:
Notable exceptions:
1. Palmar never jumped on my wagon. ??? he literally ended on your wagon. Maybe the plan in the discord wasn't to. Iamp confirmed town for me for trying to find the most charitable interpretation of my fuck up. what im saying the same thing as vivax
Iamp confirmed town for correcting me here.
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On March 16 2024 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Because I don't think what you did is a 1 for 1. It was just a convenient tunnel if you are mafia.
In the world where I am scum and get lynched for pushing for a CopCake ML, then that's a 1 for 1, no?
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On March 16 2024 03:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 03:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 03:11 justanothertownie wrote:
Because I don't think what you did is a 1 for 1. It was just a convenient tunnel if you are mafia. In the world where I am scum and get lynched for pushing for a CopCake ML, then that's a 1 for 1, no? Yeah, but why would you assume that you get lynched for pushing 1 mislynch alone?
I guess because I thought it would look really bad on me, but in retrospect it just looks like I'm really stupid, which I seem to be proving over and over in the past 24 hours.
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On March 16 2024 06:00 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:43 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:40 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:38 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:36 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 10:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 10:04 iamperfection wrote:
maybe we just lynch cake and pick up play next cycle. She has to be dealt with in some way and we will know 100% what happened in ve cop with rels talking to me right near the hammer.
It will clear up the thread and just be good for a purity mindset. Lets make her wish come true. I still believe now after the mason that she is just a depressed Townie. On March 15 2024 10:12 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really feel bad about voting her, while seeing her finally as Town. But she doesn´t fell happy here anymore and she is self voting as well. So what else could we do? Let her be? And vote for your scumread? lol Opportunistic mindset from DMB, following DP/iam so I should vote you?! like just a wasted single vote on you? How does that help Town? Interesting post. So in your worldview, both Jealous and Palmer are town? There is no good option for a vote? Yes I Townread Palmar Jealous is scummy for me but not enough for a vote. Still thinking about rather vote CC (who wished do die in the mason) and hope she is lonly treator and tired of non stop selfdefending instead of depressed town. I really dislike this post. Before this dmb called cake town and basically advocated for a mercy kill. That alone I could have bought. But the overjustification in the quoted post just looks like mafia to me. If she is mafia with jealous this is absolute classic play. He is scummy but not scummy enough to vote him. Instead she votes cake. But also feels the need to include some kind of weird justification of a potential traitor so it does not look like she is blatantly lynching a townread.
This post is less than an hour later and she says "you don't post this as scum" about me:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=443#8848
Then the very next post she buckles under the tiniest bit of pushback on her read:
On March 15 2024 11:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). --[b]Intermission-- So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him: On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target. Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum. -- "Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt. When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum): Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy. PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific Okey yes then maybe I should have taken this post more seriously and sorry that I didn´t get how scummy that actually was. But I only had one thing on my mind and that is more personally important than J at the moment. This game takes a lot of time, nerves and energy. If you don't enjoy it anymore. No more energy and always on the verge of being lynched but not lynched. If you always have to defend yourself for 30 pages and therefore can't really try to find scum, then it's really depressing. I want Cake to come back in future games and not give up playing here. I just wanted the best for her, even if it wasn't the best for Town. I rather lose as Town as losing a player for ever Hope you're doing better in obs <3
That's scummy af.
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On March 16 2024 07:42 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous if your town couldn't dmb just lurk?
They lynch town either way, CopCake's flip makes me look bad, she got the opportunity to call me scummy to boot, and she wasn't even the one that hammered CopCake. I think it works out pretty well in scum!DMB's favor.
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On March 16 2024 09:19 Vivax wrote:
Enough lynchbait for this entire game Jealous.
It was hard enough to argue in favour of VE and Cop but dmb is off limits before you.
So what do you make of that series of posts I shared by DMB?
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On March 16 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I think DMB is out of her scum range jealous FWIW.
In other words that is a totally normal read progression for her?
DMB: "I think this post is townie."
Someone else: "No, it's scummy."
DMB: "Oh you're right, it's scummy."
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On March 16 2024 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 09:35 die_meatbaby wrote:I filterd Cc On March 13 2024 16:04 CopCake wrote:On March 13 2024 15:57 DarthPunk wrote:
FFS cake are you scum claiming here again.
Like Koshi is your mafia read and you are asking why he was not killed by mafia. No, the answer here is Koshi didnt get killed because he is mafia. Why is it so difficult to understand me? Do i phrase things weirdly or something? I am just asking you those questions to see if we go to the same conclusions. I will filter koshi again but first CC On March 14 2024 04:46 CopCake wrote:
Would be stupid of mafia koshi to push mafia palmar.
On March 14 2024 05:56 CopCake wrote:On March 14 2024 05:36 iamperfection wrote:
And I feel like you just went through koshis filter trying to find any inconsistency possible. Also not explaining why said inconsistency makes koshi mafia - Koshi says I am unreadable and then says he can read me, then even dares to say he tone reads me. - Koshi is like Oats I need to kill you and then says “yes, I was wrong about Oats” Oats also wanted to mayor Koshi. - He hardcore townreads DP but suspects Jacob??? Even when he claimed gunsmith? He even says “Is jacob even the gunsmith?” Post #4745 so you can see his reads before Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc Like I said, if he hardcore reads DP as town, why is he questioning jacob? Like if he thinks DP is town, shouldnt he believe Jacob’s claim? - Many of his decisions are based on dead players: Marv would have liked, Sandro this, Rayn that. I didnt went with the eyes of: I must find scum in Koshi. I didnt like how he reacted to me being lynched then no then yes. Felt like he was trying to prepare the scenario of “I told you so”, which I know, it will happen because I am VT. There are more things quoted, and I am phoneposting atm. I dont think I am going to get on the computer because I am tired and almost midnight. If you think is worth to talk to me please do so. If you think my case is trash ignore me. fuck why didn´t I see that oats wanted to vote koshi as major On March 05 2024 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
raynpelikoneet (4): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, Iamperfection, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Koshi
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Vivax (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (15): First both voting for themselfs I did not found him voting Koshi as mayjor as CC told us but he (lynch)vote out of nothing Koshi You look in his filter page 4. There is no reason explained why he votes Koshi. Like really nothing. On March 05 2024 04:27 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote koshi few hours later he posts this and unvote Koshi. Since that time Koshi got a Townread from him. How is this a Townread and what fucking kind of play is this. On March 05 2024 06:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote:
So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia.
and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba.
I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely. I do actually like this post from koshi And then that: On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob, He never explained the Townread on Koshi. But come on thats not a post where you gonna townread somebody or am I really this stupid???? This is by the way all on the same day. Oats filter page 4 and 5 and in between this quotes there are almost no posts or questions. This Townread from Oats on Koshi looks sus for me. Then I made my list post what was requested by Rels. My list posts are bad and always looks scummy. I still do not know who to make a non sus listpost and I am sorry for that. I will try to figure that out for future games. Rels was co hosting games where I was in and had always the same problem as soon as I had to make a list post i got votes on me. So rels asking for that, maybe remembering that from last games and make me do it. Oats started to make this votedmb shit now. On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible Town pls tell me that I am not goeing paranoid on Oats filter here! Jealous analyse this post for me please.
Minus the self-meta analysis, I like it. I was already pretty ambivalent about Koshi, but I'll have to skim his filter now to be sure.
As for what this post says about DMB, I like that too tbh. It seems like she's trying to tie strings together and point out inconsistencies, which I'm a fan of.
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On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor. Sandro is scummy though He’s townie. He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way. Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb. Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16. Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.
Lol what if DMB was right all along?
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On March 05 2024 05:14 Koshi wrote:People who ask mundane questions to end their first visit to the thread should be lynched and or shot. New to mafia playbook: First throw out some not fleshed out reads to pretend they are helping town. Secondly ask a question so the thread helps them be active and do something because they don't know what to do as mafia. Seen it too much. Should be red throughout the game unless miracle play happens.
WIFOM but does scum!Koshi go this hard against TTS so early into the game?
On the one hand, D1 so stakes are low, also creates distance. On the other, why even put them on full blast like this when there are other non-bus targets to discredit? It's not like scum!TTS is a prevalent narrative at this point.
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On March 16 2024 10:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 10:15 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 10:14 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 10:09 Vivax wrote:
We know that many weren't killed for their reads at this point but if that was the driver for the NKs, Rels should be among them.
What's his NK history as town btw? When I started I was NK pretty often. Then it stopped happening, partly because my scum game is pretty good and partly because I became super lazy as town early game. I can't remember the last time I've been nk as town, I've been lynched or survived lately I think You had very good reads this game what's your current guess? I saw dmb but that doesn't scratch my itch. Palmar jealous dmb is my current team
This team makes no sense to me tbh.
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On March 05 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote:
So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at.
Going to hedge on sandro.
VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples. i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first. rayn or marv. Let's go big.
Oof.
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On March 06 2024 07:35 Koshi wrote:
DP just stay the course on Hapa and Palmar.
If they are mafia or even 1 only, we get a lot of information. Lynching tfrel does not do that.
Palmar town is not horrible. Palmar mafia is great.
Hapa is a good shot. I am proud to be in a town that shoots idiots.
Big WIFOM for me here. Is this scum!Koshi just manufacturing a strong stance on a 4 town pile? Or is this town!Koshi not knowing anyone's alignment and genuinely going off of his own thoughts on the matter?
Really hard to say IMO.
Overall I think D1 Koshi was pretty strong though. Some tragically bad reads but overall *feel* I got was town. Definitely more so than his play during the middle of the game thus far IMO, he kinda fell off and got lazy and more crazy/Koshi, if memory serves.
I'm gonna stop filtering now because it's going OD slow, but I will finish up later, because let's be real, I'll probably be around given how Vivax has been pushing my scum case for the past 28 hours or so.
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On March 16 2024 10:51 Koshi wrote:
Oh. And the biggest thing on MZ is still his halleluyah moment on Oats.
What are hallelujah moments?
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On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real.
Wym?
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On March 16 2024 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
dp i want them Want what? the pics I will later once I crop my face out.
Still haven't gotten my pics from last day cycle either tbh, the broken links. I still want those too.
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On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead.
Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this.
Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles.
I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first.
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On March 16 2024 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:10 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:07 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
dp i want them Want what? the pics I will later once I crop my face out. Still haven't gotten my pics from last day cycle either tbh, the broken links. I still want those too. I couldn't find the gifs again sorry
This pains me, truly, but I forgive you.
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On March 16 2024 11:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:10 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 11:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Clearly my reads are completely wrong, or I am being fucked with, either way this is amazing and woeful at the same time. why do you say that ? Why do you think? just because your alive? You didn't post your full reads till right before the deadline.
"iamperfection"
"your alive"
hiss
##Vote: iamp/s
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On March 16 2024 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. You mean night killing?
Yea my b, is Friday and I'm at the bar again.
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On March 16 2024 11:17 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:16 Rels wrote:On March 16 2024 11:13 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:05 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real. Wym? Im alive and Koshi is dead. Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this. Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles. I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first. Weird post to make. In what world was Koshi more townread than DP? You yourself were having doubts regarding Koshi and none regarding DP last night right? I think he is trying to justify why I am alive?
Basically? Like, I feel like breeding mistrust in the top townreads is a valid strategy, but I can see it both ways so it might be WIFOM.
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On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote:
my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest.
See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right?
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On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:20 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 11:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 16 2024 11:10 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 11:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Clearly my reads are completely wrong, or I am being fucked with, either way this is amazing and woeful at the same time. why do you say that ? Why do you think? just because your alive? You didn't post your full reads till right before the deadline. "iamperfection" "your alive" hiss##Vote: iamp/s you could have probably made that joke like a million times this game if we are going by my grammar and spelling.
Yea but WIOM so now was the time to pull the trigger on it.
Sorry.
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On March 16 2024 11:27 iamperfection wrote:
our town is probably full of drunks, martyrs and morons. I think I'm in the moron category.
I'm one post away from the trifecta.
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Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels
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On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels
Add rels to revisit (EBWOP)
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On March 16 2024 11:37 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:35 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels Add rels to revisit (EBWOP) What do you make of rels quick vote?
I'd have to see how consistent it is with his recent play but in theory I'm not opposed to it.
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On March 16 2024 11:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels Not gonna lie was gonna call this post mafia for not having your name in it. Then I saw who wrote it
I lol'd 😂
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On March 16 2024 11:55 iamperfection wrote:
anybody get the whisperer ?
I did, again. Having a hard deciding who to mason.
Part of me wants to mason Vivax but I don't think it'd be fruitful and would look like me trying to clear my name with someone who is intent to discredit me but that sounds too stressful tbh.
MZ maybe because they've been absent and busy, but if they're absent and busy it doesn't make much sense, right? Though they did complain about not getting enough engagement out of Palmar so I could maybe make up for some of that + make up for not having read them in a while.
But, at the bar atm on a smoke break so I'll think about this more when I get home maybe.
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On March 16 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable. It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?
My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol).
Drunk posting ftw.
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On March 16 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Jealous another fellow drunk poster, I salute you.
♡
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On March 16 2024 12:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable. It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though? My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol). Drunk posting ftw. It looks VERY bad. Almost like your reads aren't responsive to events changing.
I stand by everything else I said tbh, Koshi is where he would have been were he still alive. I simply forgot he was dead lmao.
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On March 16 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable. It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol). Drunk posting ftw. Not great in context
https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/alcohol-and-memory-loss#:~:text=Alcohol affects short-term memory,term memory loss can occur.
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On March 16 2024 12:45 Vivax wrote:
Three people drunkposted in this game.
That‘s gotta be it. Town would instantly lose their last braincells so all the drinkers are mafia.
😂
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On March 16 2024 12:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 12:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 16 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable. It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol). Drunk posting ftw. Not great in context https://www.healthline.com/health/alcoholism/alcohol-and-memory-loss#:~:text=Alcohol affects short-term memory,term memory loss can occur. Fuck I actually laughed out loud at this tbh I may have a drink too while I reread your filter, finally finished with award writing season at work so I might treat myself.
Grats ☺️
Work sucks but somehow one still feels hella good when you do a good job you know? And you fly to boot, so a lot of investment there.
I sit at home in my PJs and forget how blessed I am sometimes, but I've also been carrying my team these past few months (last Friday I did as much quantifiable work as my senior and junior employee combined, TIMES TWO). So, even though I don't like working like a dog, I know that feeling of "you're killing it bb." No one can tell me I don't get it done ^^
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Long story short I never finished actually filtering Koshi before the NK and I mostly quoted the tragically bad shit but a lot of the other shit was good, so my overall impression of D1 Koshi was town even though he had more bad takes (in retrospect). So, kind of like JAT, not like Palmar, from my previous long filter reads. Lot of strong good stuff, less but still present strong bad stuff, whereas Palmar was overall middle-of-the-road to me.
However I remember that I was thoroughly unimpressed with Koshi's play when it was live in D2/3 so that is why I still had a bad taste in my mouth and put him into Lynchable because his trajectory in my mind was a gradual downward slope. Similar for Palmar save for picking it up in D4 when he was under pressure.
So yea, even after the flip I had Koshi as lynchable but need to read more because I didn't finish reading his filter, remember not thinking of his as highly as my D1 filter showed; my reads from around that time had him kinda in the middle of the pack.
And yea, I straight up did forget that he got lynched. I was sitting there looking at my list of reads and I was like "who am I missing" and started adding names as they came up in my mind basically, forgetting that Koshi got NK'd like an hour prior lol. Flipping through tabs on my phone, seeing his filter still up, being like "oh right" and just putting him where my gut from D2/D3/D4 combined with my filter for D1 put him.
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And yea, I straight up did forget that he got lynched.
^ NK'd motherfuck
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On March 16 2024 14:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 13:24 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:51 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:38 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:33 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:31 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 15 2024 11:28 Rels wrote:On March 15 2024 11:25 die_meatbaby wrote:
I WOULD HAVE VOTE YOU OVER HER ANYTIMES. But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Dropping the "CopCake told me" stuff, but this though I don't see it. Can you explain further? you were not a wagon. Should I just let my vote on you and waste it, when I can make differnce with just one fucking vote? I want and really hope that she will join a future game and if she wish do die then pls fucking let her die before she never joins again for feeling so unhappy in this game. Sorry are you a player controlled by ai bots?? that would explain why you have emotion like a sheldon cooper and the jackpot Filter ?????????? Can you expand on this sentence?
But Jeoules actually wanted to live and the way he posted before lynch was wayyy townier than before.
Why did you think that? I had the opposite reaction, and I wasn't the only one He did not ask do die. Second On March 15 2024 09:07 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote:Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions: 1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate?
2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture. I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far. Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed. On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote:
If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax. On March 05 2024 22:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor. You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid. Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself. The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor. I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically. We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor. On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed. Example:On March 06 2024 06:56 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:53 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 06:48 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 06:47 justanothertownie wrote:
Uuuh, exciting. Is it? I think it is. The post itself is disappointing though. Smells like desperation and OMGUS. hahaha. Yeah. It's a big nothing burger.
It's a "when I die post"
You can ignore it for now.
I'm going to be so mad if marv is alive by day 4 after this shit.
Like he can lynch me, but he KNOWS he should not be doing that unless he has a really good reason to, which he doesn't. His lynch list at EOD1 isn't looking too hot: On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO. But does he bus this hard on D2? On March 06 2024 19:03 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 14:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Vig shot on TTS btw.
This is a good call.
Wonder what happened to this: On March 06 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
I hate pretty much all of your takes CopCake This didn't age well, feels like a retaliatory SR: On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote:
So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect. Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba: On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who. Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though). -- Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 22:09 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote:
But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy. Yeah no worries. It's actually kinda fun. The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind. The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly. Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread. The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try. That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible. You don´t post this as mafia. Like come on that is townie under pressure Really disagree. Posting a big post under pressure near the deadline is not townie specific Okey yes then maybe I should have taken this post more seriously and sorry that I didn´t get how scummy that actually was. But I only had one thing on my mind and that is more personally important than J at the moment. This game takes a lot of time, nerves and energy. If you don't enjoy it anymore. No more energy and always on the verge of being lynched but not lynched. If you always have to defend yourself for 30 pages and therefore can't really try to find scum, then it's really depressing. I want Cake to come back in future games and not give up playing here. I just wanted the best for her, even if it wasn't the best for Town. I rather lose as Town as losing a player for ever Hope you're doing better in obs <3 Hate this. Not in a scummy way, but in a "I signed up for rainbows and teddy bears but now I get pressured for being illegible so I'm gonna call it quits." Sympathy has to end somewhere, it should not be a part of metrics for voting or participation in these games tbh. She could have just requested a replacement in D2. This is not a valid excuse to play like town!CopCake did and I stand by it because it can easily be leveraged by future scum. [b]Like the ◇♡KOOlAiD man I bUST in and say whoop wow scum is town GfG ##lynch me gg. I mean read that last part. Lmfao What are we even discussing still
It was my best attempt to be LoLrAnDoM which apparently is acceptable and a TR for several people here, forgot to add the /s at the end I guess
But as someone said earlier "it doesn't work when you do it" so it goes
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I guess just frustrated that people can just come in here spew mindless drivel as town and get townread for it, so why care? just drink and then drunkpost, np, I can do that
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I'm going to just embrace the chaos from now on, fuck it
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Also fwiw the bad bbcode is somewhere in that big post of mine you quoted, not your fault + sorry
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Tea party tomorrow when I wake up, who wants to come?
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On March 16 2024 16:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 15:54 Jealous wrote:
And yea, I straight up did forget that he got lynched.
^ NK'd motherfuck I think with all the work that was put into making that list post look good this is the part that I don't believe.
It is what it is
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On March 16 2024 16:12 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I just realized I'm subconsciously trying really really hard not to scumread Jealous right now because I'm a sentimental piece of shit and AtE works on me and I feel bad doing that while he's drinking so I'm gonna sleep on it and come back tomorrow with a clearer head and also give Palmar and JAT a read through and figure out what they were up to while all the lynch shenanigans went down yesterday.
Thanks for giving me a fair shake brother
PS I have no idea how your clock can be 1 hour ahead kf mine, I'm on the easy coast, wtf?
PPS You still haven't explained what drives you to pick Russian as your major, that might be the craziest thing I've read in this game and that's saying a lot
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On March 16 2024 20:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you let us know who you mason please jealous?
Just woke up, still debating who to choose.
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On March 17 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 00:17 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 20:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you let us know who you mason please jealous? Just woke up, still debating who to choose. I am not sure that there is a lot of merit in this mason chat for you today. I would prefer to have your thoughts and contributions in the thread if you are town.
This is kinda my thinking too tbh. I'm kinda worried that the mason chat, at least the way I approach it, will only serve to make me feel someone is more townie due to the mere exposure effect even if it not objectively deserved.
I'm looking into something at the moment and will be posting stuff I find along the way that isn't relevant to my main research target.
For example - and of course, these are basically D1 reads, blah blah - DP's EoN1 list post has three out of four confirmed town in the scum pile + DMB:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=188#3755
Oats is "Do Not Lynch" tier, too. So is Palmar and iamperfection.
Personally I don't think I can ascribe too much AI into this, but it is interesting how much things have changed since then.
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On March 17 2024 00:59 iamperfection wrote:
Can you comment on my above reasoning jealous.
Could you clarify who the 4 scum on Oats would be in this context? Want to make sure because between the post and the linked post, there are a lot of names.
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On March 17 2024 01:07 iamperfection wrote:
and i dont think its vivax and its obviously not me so therefore one of palmar mz has to be mafia if not both.
I think it is likely that there is at least one.
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On March 17 2024 01:20 Vivax wrote:
I prefer to think that the roleblocker is ln Oats for sure and the other two may be anywhere else.
So I‘d guess Rels or Jealous as having that role
This does sound like it'd be the smart play tbh.
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On March 17 2024 01:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Well Palmar if you are pocketing me this game so be it, you slipped straight back into my pocket.
Vote: Jealous So you agree with me then that Jealous made a deliberate dumbtell? I'm frustrated nobody bothered to read what I wrote last night. This is also a lazy reason to townread Palmar and we're past the point where town can be lazy.
Tbf I read it but I don't think my input is too valuable here lol.
However I think you might have overplayed your hand a bit here. I am conniving enough to make a deliberate dumbtell, but also dumb enough to breadcrumb it in the thread twice? Isn't it just more likely that alcohol makes people do dumb shit, regardless of how judgmental they may be about sober people doing dumb shit?
Also, objectively I think that a self-vote is different from a dumbtell, but I'm keeping it in your POV for arguments' sake.
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On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:54 Jealous wrote:I don't want to misrep Oats so I will be limiting to what I consider reads to being their "votes" in this thread and if they ever directly say that someone is scummy/town. Simply "I don't like this (post)" is not enough IMO. In chronological order" + Show Spoiler [Links] +So we have: Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Seem right, @Oats? Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia How did you get jat is town from my filter
Three truths and a lie, or four truths?
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On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain.
Hmmm...
On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
Hmmm...
On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
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On March 17 2024 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle. ? What are you trying to say here?
Complete mind meld between you and Rels, but MZ doesn't seem to agree. This is while MZ was still pushing for an Oats lynch, but ended up not being on the Oats wagon. "A lot can change in a single day cycle" is almost predictive in this case, as what changed was that MZ ended up on the ML wagon.
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On March 17 2024 03:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 03:01 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 02:58 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 02:53 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:On March 16 2024 23:26 iamperfection wrote:On March 16 2024 19:31 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote:
I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out. This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle. Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them. DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia. So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town. The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations. I dont really give a shit about your town circle palmar. if you want to call me mafia you need to refute this https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=395#7899 otherwise im not gonna even entertain the discussion. My problem once again is that i feel like its pulling teeth from you to get attempts to discover mafia. You basically ignore all my larger points. Lets pretend you are town. I know i am town. I think the corrupt mayor theory isnt right so vivax is town. On March 09 2024 11:52 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it. I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain. Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility Hmmm... On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle. ? What are you trying to say here? Complete mind meld between you and Rels, but MZ doesn't seem to agree. This is while MZ was still pushing for an Oats lynch, but ended up not being on the Oats wagon. "A lot can change in a single day cycle" is almost predictive in this case, as what changed was that MZ ended up on the ML wagon. Ah, I see. And you think he would be posting his mafia thoughts this openly? Would they not talk about this in discord?
Reminder that this is him arguing to lynch Oats D2. So this is part of his argument as for why that is the correct play. If anything, this to me reads more like a future "See how sure I was of the Oats thing, guys?" if a counterwagon doesn't take off. It's like laying a foundation.
In this world, the temptation of the counterwagon on VE taking off made MZ abandon his position to buy one more day. I think the argument that "one more day doesn't change" anything argument is inaccurate, because it creates an extra ML before a scum is taken out in this case. Like gaining a tempo in chess. And as MZ says, "A lot can change in a single day."
Let's leave hypothetical land for a bit and explore the following question instead: Does a person's entire logical framework change within a single day with no additional concrete evidence?
This isn't a change in reads like from town to scum or vice versa. This is a complete reversal of their beliefs about how the game works, within 24 hours. On March 7th, not lynching Oats is not an option because it's too great of a risk to take from a gameplay standpoint. On March 8th, not lynching Oats is fine because VE just looks so scummy?
This is including the meta knowledge that VE gets ML'd all the time, apparently (I can't attest to this personally but it's been brought up several times in this thread).
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On March 09 2024 08:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 08:38 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm not actually caught up on today. has no time to read but has time to waste fucking 15 min on making a joke for rayn gtfo Stay the course on VE. You're taking away from the only chance of not lynching Oats.
God damn this looks so damn bad, if Vivax wasn't basically confirmed town this would just look atrocious lmao. Vivax's claim D1 has done like 99% of the heavy lifting for him.
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I do remember still reading it as "Town trying to bait scum into jumping ship, maybe" which would make sense if you're basically conf!town though, so maybe it's just galaxy brain play outside of the scope of my appreciation.
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On March 09 2024 09:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 09:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I went to the store and got some groceries and realized pretty much every realistic scum team scenario I was trying to figure out did not contain Oats but definitely included VE.
And yes, my math was also wrong. Go back and buy a coke maybe then you can post the entire team.
God tier post btw, one of my favorites in the whole game.
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So shortly after catching up with the thread and with a more clear mind, this point from this post stood out to me:
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote:
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game.
My thoughts on the rest of the content of that post aside, I thought "Hmmm, that is a good point, and I kind of share that perception with Palmar."
This reminded me of D2 and MZ's switch onto VE. At the time, they got away with it pretty easily all things considered, as there were still bigger fish to fry in most people's minds (for me it was CopCake, for many others it was still VE, etc.) and because we had far fewer flips to reliably narrow down who among the VE wagon might be scum. Seeing iamp's post with the D2 vote count further solidified for me the need to go back and get an accurate timeline of MZ's progression from what I recalled to be a firm "lynch Oats" stance to then ending up on town!VE. Times will be in EST because that's just easier for me but I'll provide links. I'll be omitting/not commenting on some of the more repetitive stuff, like the second calculator post.
Night of March 6th - 7th
22:00 - D2 starts
22:11 - Slam posts Oats' red flip.
22:17 - MZ states that they are willing to lynch Oats to remove the possibility of framer/miller.
22:22 - MZ votes for Oats.
22:54 - Still considers VE the next-best lynch target. Laying the foundation?
22:55 - Making another point on VE: "like this post sounds like resigned scum who doesn't have much to talk about and is watching one of their team members go down to a red check."
23:17 - Vote count is 7 on Oats including MZ, 1 on DMB (Oats).
23:42 - Starts pressuring CopCake on Slam vs. Oats, possibility of Slam being scum, 1-for-1 situation, etc.
23:51 23:54 00:00 - Three more posts in the above line of pressuring CopCake.
00:08 - Infamous math post; "Me personally, I'm taking that [chance that Oats is scum] every time."
00:10 - CopCake votes Oats; "Welcome to the correct answer 12 pages later."
Day of March 7th
08:36 - Says that they will be out for most of the day due to a flight.
08:49 08:52 - Makes defensive posts against Koshi's scum read on MZ, which is based mostly on meta stuff. Repeats twice that the vote has to be on the red check. "If you were arguing for someone like VE I'd still say you're wrong because the chance this check is wrong is so low."
08:56 - "Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me."
08:59 - Another defensive post against Koshi, pointing out that Oats has been trying to push MZ as an alternative to himself, and that's why Koshi's world view is wrong. We're going to jump ahead of the timeline here for a bit for the sake of continuity: Oats flailed a lot in the evening of March 6th EST by pressuring, casting doubt upon, and scumreading a lot of people. Examples: Me, me again, DMB, VE, and JAT. Only after MZ's math post we get Oats being triggered and making a case on MZ. Oats then accuses MZ of just wanting to park their vote on him based on the previous interaction with CopCake. Oats then goes on to chime in to bus TTS in the very next post, so we know he has no qualms about doing so when it works to his advantage. At this point we are up to 6 people Oats has pushed as potential alternative wagons. Oats then continues to push JAT as scum, later busses and votes TTS, but his pressure against JAT continues for many posts until the lynch. He then votes JAT. We will get back to Oats vs. MZ later, but at this point, my conclusion is that MZ really hasn't been pushed all that hard by Oats, not even a vote over TTS. It was all done based on one bad math post and Oats moved on to his next target.
09:05 - More defense against Koshi, now saying that it "pinged" MZ that Koshi is making this case. Basically a low level retaliatory scum read, especially in retrospect.
09:08 - Still pushing the Oats lynch hard.
09:10 - Now it's "Why Palmar and not VE?"
09:28 - "We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself [marv]..."
09:45 - 10 on Oats including MZ, 1 on DMB (Oats).
09:54 - "There is a lot of uncertainty right now in my eyes with people like Copcake/DMB/JAT/Marv they would be better topics. We could also discuss VE a bit more, while I'm pretty sold he's lurking scum, some folks may still have him as town so we could be fleshing that out."
Night of March 7th - 8th
20:55 - 10 on Oats, 2 on JAT, 1 on TTS. Oats first goes to TTS then to JAT. Iamperfection went from Oats to TTS.
20:56 - Pings marv because "Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient." Basically, still firmly on Oats.
21:02 - Chastising Koshi, still firms on Oats. There are several more posts like this directed to Vivax and Oats as well. Another at 21:12.
Oats posts: 21:04 21:08 - Oats is sowing the seeds of doubt in MZ. "they can't all be mafia so..."
21:09 - MZ still talking about marv, saying they have "metas suspicions" of marv, still pushing the red check.
21:17 - MZ still talking about marv, still firmly on Oats. I'm going to stop cataloguing every single one of these because ther are so many. Basically all of page 8 from MZ's filter.
Oats post: 21:34 - "10/10 would lynch ve as well"
21:57 - Pointing this one out because MZ catalogues all the people who suggested alternatives to Oats. Summarized list:
1. iamp suggests TTS
2. Koshi says we should lynch Oats, lists Rels/MZ/VE/Palmar. Throws in Jacob too.
3. Vivax saying he won't vote Oats, votes marv.
"You’re right vivax, koshi hasn’t been a factor since I left the thread this morning." "Also This does not clear marv in anyway, if anything I find it funny hes now doing what he said scum would do and just go along with the lynch."
22:46 - "I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle." As I mention here, doesn't this seem awfully prophetic?
23:34 - MZ starting to show signs of cracking, by basically blaming 10 people for reading Oats as town but still knowing it is the right vote at this point. "I can't believe I'm even considering this seriously." Somehow, we are supposed to believe that other people's reads are more important to MZ than their votes or MZ's own belief in what is the objectively right thing to do, something hey have chastised several others for not also believing in the preceding 24 hours?
00:44 - Gives a half-hearted townread on DMB; "at the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point."
01:03 - Scumreads marv due to meta.
Day of March 8th
08:32 - 9 on Oats including MZ, 2 on Palmar, 1 on JAT, 1 on TTS, 1 on VE. Koshi switched from Oats to VE. Oats switched to Palmar. CopCake switched to Palmar.
11:14 - First post back ends with "What do you think of this VE push?"
11:31 - "The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things."
11:58 - "In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable."
12:12 - We are now approaching full walkback mode. "People not overcoming their personal read in the face of a red check and voting with their read is at least more honest than not overcoming that read but still voting for the red check."
Evening of March 8th
18:11 - "Slam talks about Oats a lot in his filter, if you were going to target slam with a framer, all you'd have to do is pick from his scum reads which he doesn't have a bunch of and your math gets a lot better."
18:27 - Re: CopCake: "If she actually cared about not lynching Oats, VE already had to votes on him when she voted jealous. Instead she just yeets her vote out a window."
18:36 - Re: Palmar: "That said, his decision to park his vote on VE instead of just throwing it on someone random like copcake sits a little better with me, assuming VE is scum, because now the vote count is pretty close and I can't imagine if he was scum with VE he'd risk that." <- Setting up the WIFOM?
18:46 - "I actually am pretty set on copcake being scum at the moment, her votes are just horrible for a townie. It begs the question why doesn't she want to be on Oats."
19:17 - MZ switches to VE. "fuckit"
19:21 - "I went to the store and got some groceries and realized pretty much every realistic scum team scenario I was trying to figure out did not contain Oats but definitely included VE."
19:46 - "I've spent most of today trying to figure this out, at least I'm more certain of this move because it's VE."
19:59 - "Slam Ninja'd back onto Oats so I think this is probably gonna be a nonstarter."
21:08 - To Oats: "Damn dude we very similar reads and I came around to the idea that you were town and you're still scumreading me? I have spent far too much time over the last day trying to discern your alignment, I'm sticking with town."
22:07 - "Gj to the folks who stuck that lynch through, should have stuck with my gut and not get lost in the vivax/koshi sauce there. Oh well, my fault for talking myself into it."
Voting Breakdown
22:22 - MZ votes for Oats.
23:17 - 7 on Oats including MZ, 1 on DMB (Oats).
09:45 - 10 on Oats including MZ, 1 on DMB (Oats).
20:55 - 10 on Oats including MZ, 2 on JAT, 1 on TTS. Oats first goes to TTS then to JAT. Iamperfection went from Oats to TTS.
08:32 - 9 on Oats including MZ, 2 on Palmar, 1 on JAT, 1 on TTS, 1 on VE. Koshi switched from Oats to VE. Oats switched to Palmar. CopCake switched to Palmar.
13:41 - 10 on Oats including MZ, 3 on VE, 1 on JAT, 1 on Jealous. Oats and iamp switched to VE. CopCake switched to Jealous. Marv voted Oats.
19:17 - MZ switches to VE.
19:49 - 9 on Oats not including MZ, 5 on VE, 1 on Palmar, 1 on Jealous. Order of switches:
1. Vivax switched to VE.
2. Palmar switched to VE.
3. Slam switched to VE.
4. iamp switched to Palmar.
5. JSL switched to Palmar.
6. MZ switched to VE. <- They were the last to do so after the wagon started taking off here. At this point there were 7 votes on Oats and they became the 6th vote on VE. Pushing it into easy ML territory.
7. JSL switched to Oats. <- Town hero btw.
8. Slam switched to Oats. <- Town hero btw. It's almost like he baited out MZ here.
21:51 - 9 on Oats not including MZ, 7 on VE. Order of switches:
1. iamp switched to VE.
2. CopCake switched to Palmar.
3. CopCake switched to VE. <- "How many scummy things can town do in one game" record holder btw.
Final Vote Breakdown::
On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Conclusion::
I think it's time to stop ignoring what is, in my opinion, objectively the biggest potential scum tell left in the game. MZ was not alone in this. To my recollection, MZ's transition from Oats to VE was the most unnatural. However, we need to hear from iamp and Palmar, in that order. Vivax, this was still a bad call for you.
##Vote: Meapak_Ziphh
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If anyone wants to take a look at iamp/Palmar's vote/read progression from D2 for comparison, that would be great. I'm definitely not doing another one of these, but I am guessing theirs should be easier as they were relatively less invested into it/prolifically vocal about it if my recollection is correct.
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On March 17 2024 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB.
I think I did a pretty good job on Palmar tbh. I'll take a dive on Rels later today, tired of reading for now. DMB is apparently off-limits and I got chastised for pursuing it so it is what it is, plus I think I'll go insane if I have to read their filter again.
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On March 17 2024 05:04 Vivax wrote:
MZ what‘s your gender?
Might need updating after his case
Lmfao 😂
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On March 17 2024 05:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. It's literally just a summary of what I posted. I've already explained and reexplained where I was coming from. But I read his post in the context that I posted this 3 hours ago: Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 01:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote:I hate reading MZ so much. I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now. I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys This sounds like pure scum frustration right here realizing that despite all the shade he's been throwing me this game, nobody has bitten hard on it and he doesn't actually have a case. If he ever "finishes" reading my filter I'm gonna be super stoked to see what sort of case he comes up with. He's grasping at straws and he knows it. It's funny how the best he can manage is "passive mafia" and then put that phrase in this sort of post. Like his post is the epitome of passive mafia right here. Pointing out Palmar's lack of case on me. Very very convenient timing for him to develop that read after not having me on his scum list up until this morning.
If you think this took me only 3 hours in between lunch + YT video, text messages with friends and family, and responding to other posts here, then you must think very highly of me, thank you.
FWIW I started some time between these two posts, so about 5 hours ago:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=462#9225
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=462#9231
So anything that happened after wasn't really a factor, I was gonna do this anyway. The actual post that inspired me to do this was indeed Palmar's though, it's the one I quoted at the top, from last night:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=460#9200
On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments.
I am above that level of hypocrisy 🍻 #drunkposters4life
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On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though.
I type really fast.
On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on?
Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter.
I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall.
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On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here?
Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI.
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On March 17 2024 05:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 04:58 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB. I think I did a pretty good job on Palmar tbh. I'll take a dive on Rels later today, tired of reading for now. DMB is apparently off-limits and I got chastised for pursuing it so it is what it is, plus I think I'll go insane if I have to read their filter again. Dude this: Show nested quote +--"Conclusion"--
I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No. This was your conclusion on Palmar. Like you refused to outright scum read him despite him being #2 on your list of scum targets and just chickened out with "pretty hard to put a finger on." I don't believe this read any more than I believe you forgot Koshi had died last night. Also your "case" (summarizing my D2) is now perfectly set up for Palmar to push without actually ever having to do work himself. If you get me mislynched today, Palmar's hands will still be clean.
FWIW by "pretty hard to put a finger on" was more about his general lack of conviction, which was what my last sentence in that paragraph was addressing, which is also why I put him down as scummier than iamp and JAT in the end. It felt more like a person trying to not make too many waves than iamp and JAT who were more outspoken and aggressive at times, even if it was to their detriment and/or they were wrong.
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On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list.
Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO.
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On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
Found the post I was thinking of. It is interesting to me how this contrasts a bit with the following:
On March 06 2024 07:19 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:16 Vivax wrote:
I'm retownreading Sandro.
If Palmar is mafia it's Trfel and JAT on the bus train atm. Maybe even Slam. Slam looks decidedly worse this game than last, but I also had the mason thing with him in that game which was very helpful in reading him. I'm on the fence about slam and rayn, I actually don't think Trfel is mafia, but it's a weak townread.
Maybe that's just a Slam-specific thing, though.
Also found this, not exactly relevant to the above exploration but kinda:
On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote:
I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who.
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Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there.
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On March 17 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO. Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion?
I mean, I think it's pretty close.
MZ pushed the vote to being a 1 vote difference between Oats and VE, so he seems to me to be a better choice. MZ completely changing their philosophy on the proper way to play mafia as a whole generates a fair amount of disbelief in the narrative for me.
I really don't want to do this because I'm pretty mafia-d out at the moment, but it looks like I'll have to go back into Palmar's filter to refresh my memory for how he made the jump from Oats to VE to compare. Heading out for a very late lunch right now, maybe I'll scroll when I go out for a smoke break after.
Do you hold the opposite opinion? Why or why not?
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On March 17 2024 06:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:03 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 05:36 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:29 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 05:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote:
I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments. what a giga chad if its not using scripts though. I type really fast. On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter. I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall. So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here? Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI. Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list. Yea I'd probably say you are more lynchable than him now for me. Still have to look at Rels, also hoping Palmar and iamp address the fact that they too were on that horrible wagon, iamp being the last vote to stick on VE twice even, though as I said before the fact that the second VE vote was TvT with CopCake makes it overall less egregious IMO. And again, if someone else could do the work of looking into their read progressions on Oats instead of just getting the posters-in-question' self-testimonies, that would be a big help IMO. Can you elaborate why palmar is less lynchable than mz in your opinion? I mean, I think it's pretty close. MZ pushed the vote to being a 1 vote difference between Oats and VE, so he seems to me to be a better choice. MZ completely changing their philosophy on the proper way to play mafia as a whole generates a fair amount of disbelief in the narrative for me. I really don't want to do this because I'm pretty mafia-d out at the moment, but it looks like I'll have to go back into Palmar's filter to refresh my memory for how he made the jump from Oats to VE to compare. Heading out for a very late lunch right now, maybe I'll scroll when I go out for a smoke break after. Do you hold the opposite opinion? Why or why not? I was just trying to understand your thought process. I understood lynchable as "easy to lynch" - but it seems you meant "a good lynch" . Which did not make sense to me. You know my opinion on Palmar. I don't think he is "lynch able" today.
Ah yea I meant it like "good lynch."
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On March 17 2024 06:08 justanothertownie wrote:
I also commented on MZs day1 progression in my large post about him. It is objectively scummy. But also extremely brazen if he is mafia.
I don't know if brazen is the term I'd use, because they put in enough effort to preempt criticism. When I think brazen I think of a person with no fucks to give. MZ clearly gave a lot of fucks.
The scum approach just makes too much sense to me. To boil it down, it's basically:
1. Push hard for an Oats lynch after the flip, so they look neutral-to-good when Oats is lynched.
2. Berate anyone on other wagons when they don't have much steam, effect is similar to #1.
3. When the wagon starts gaining steam, make many posts explaining how you're having a change of heart and why, making it seem like a natural development.
4. "Aw shucks, y'all convinced me. My fault."
And given that it was D2 and the game is still pretty much wide open, there will still be a lot of people looking elsewhere, other townies making questionable plays, and in this game, an easy ML on VE. I think it could have been a calculated gamble.
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On March 17 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested
This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there.
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On March 17 2024 06:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:30 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there. I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation
Eh, at least one of your posts would beg to differ. Please see this post I made recently:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=467#9327
Could you explain the apparent inconsistency here?
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On March 17 2024 06:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:24 iamperfection wrote:
Rels just voted palmar and decided to afk.
DMB chimed in with a lol and nothing else.
This is a critical cycle we need input. The mayor said I was drawing attention away from Jealous when I brought this up.
I know that I'm obviously biased in this situation, but I would implore you to consider Vivax' track record so far and maybe consider not listening to his commands when it comes to who you should or should not read, who you should or should not vote for, etc.
Getting a blue role and being voted mayor to be safe does not make him infallible.
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On March 17 2024 06:52 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:15 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 05:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on? I'm voting Palmar now, I think Jealous is prepping a defense of him which looks bad but Palmar has still done jack shit and I'm gonna honor the Koshi reads. Hey Mz. You actually know me well enough. Do you stand by the statement that I have done “jack shit” on day 4? And now on day 5. Do you believe that me playing less on a weekend is alignment indicative? It's hard not to come to that conclusion, I know most of you don't watch NBA basketball but this reference to a player running around looking like he's playing defense when in reality he's not doing anything has pretty much been actually how I see you this game: Pat Bev trick y'all manShow nested quote +On March 14 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote:
Just sheep DP to victory and stop thinking, I'm bad at it anyway Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:21 Palmar wrote:
I'll happily just let DP make the call. Game is annoying now because we've brought this bullshit into it.
Maybe just lynch Koshi out of spite.
But realistically, I think it's gonna be like Rels or MZ I'm not going to quote your whole filter like Jealous did but I'm hard pressed to find reads over the last few days that you stick by or bother to push. Yesterday you managed to scumread: Me and Rels in the above post Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote:
I've for some reason played extremely carefully this game and it's gotten me nowhere. I've sat on reads to try to placate people and be a good boy but I think i'm just kinda done with it.
I think iamp is mafia Iamp Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote:
maybe the mafia is just jat rels and jealous or something
That would solve the game, absolve all the shitty lynchbaits and insane people and whatever.
JAT Jealous and Rels Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 07:22 Palmar wrote:
Like I'm probably not lynching anyone that has put in actual real effort today (dp, me, vivax, koshi, iamp, jat) and I'm just gonna pretend cc doesn't exist. This leaves jealous, rels, mz, dmb Here's the same as above + DMB You literally found a scum reason for every player in some manner except for DP and Vivax. And then you proceeded to sit back and wait for DP/Vivax/Koshi to tell you where to vote. If that's not scum throwing shit at a wall waiting to see what wagon develops then idk what is.
FWIW this is exactly what I meant by "hard to put my finger on" and lacking conviction in regards to Palmar. Good post.
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On March 17 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote:
The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS The effort is really impressive ngl. Effort is only loosely connected with alignment though. Depending on the player. He's also more binge-y effort wise rather than being consistently active. My own scumtell basically.
After acquiescencing your request and investing a bunch of effort into analyzing an interaction which turned out to be a big fat nothingburger, I sorta stopped going on wild goose chases and waited until inspiration would hit me.
I've read and analyzed several filters over the past few days. What have you done?
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On March 17 2024 07:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 06:51 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote:
The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS The effort is really impressive ngl. Effort is only loosely connected with alignment though. Depending on the player. He's also more binge-y effort wise rather than being consistently active. My own scumtell basically. After acquiescencing your request and investing a bunch of effort into analyzing an interaction which turned out to be a big fat nothingburger, I sorta stopped going on wild goose chases and waited until inspiration would hit me. I've read and analyzed several filters over the past few days. What have you done? There's also these instances of him trying to direct me to what would be a very unproductive discussion. I've just made peace with the fact MZ and iamperfection don't want him to lose I think
The product for me would be that people stop sheeping you as you run around like a chicken with its head cut off and then tunneling a townie. Maybe if people take a step back and think, "What value has Vivax generated through his reads, analysis, and votes?" then we might be better off in the long run.
I know that the above is essentially NAI because not getting lynched is in my best interest regardless of my alignment, but the fact that you seem to refuse to entertain the possibility that you're wrong (after being wrong so consistently) and that statistically speaking the chances that I am scum are low really doesn't inspire confidence. I gave you a wide berth from D2 until now, but as far as I see it, time is running out for you to do something actually useful. Mislynching me is not it.
You take cheap potshots at me, misrep me, and discredit me and then tell me that I'm being unproductive by responding to your accusations. You repeating the same shit over and over for 24 hours isn't productive either. We get it, you want me gone. However, in your world there would have to be two more scum besides me. If you're so sure I am scum, why not try to identify them and pressure them too, instead of whatever this is?
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Anyway, to switch to something more "productive," the more MZ posts and interacts with Palmar - who was also on VE - the more I am liking MZ over Palmar. Palmar also only seems to wake up when he is under pressure. He was already near the top of the scum list for me before this.
During the previous day cycle he said he was going to come after people who scum read him with questions and was going to step it up a notch. He never did.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar
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On March 17 2024 06:38 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 06:32 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 06:30 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there. I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation Eh, at least one of your posts would beg to differ. Please see this post I made recently: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=467#9327Could you explain the apparent inconsistency here?
Palmar, can you please answer this?
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On March 17 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:47 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:38 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:32 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 06:30 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there. I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation Eh, at least one of your posts would beg to differ. Please see this post I made recently: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=467#9327Could you explain the apparent inconsistency here? Palmar, can you please answer this? You’re right. It’s a slam specific thing.
I should really stop supplying excuses for the people I am questioning
What about the D2 VE vote? Can you walk me through your thought process there?
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On March 17 2024 07:58 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:38 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 07:36 Jealous wrote:
Anyway, to switch to something more "productive," the more MZ posts and interacts with Palmar - who was also on VE - the more I am liking MZ over Palmar. Palmar also only seems to wake up when he is under pressure. He was already near the top of the scum list for me before this.
During the previous day cycle he said he was going to come after people who scum read him with questions and was going to step it up a notch. He never did.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar But I did? Bad take. Gonna vote you for this bad take now. Your chance of redemption is to do a post count analysis of day 4. Go forth and do my bidding
Nah. Post count doesn't equal value. You have several hundred one-liners in your filter that aren't worth the server space they occupy.
You're not unique in this FWIW. Just saying I'm not running a fool's errand when I already read your filter and found you to be largely non-committal. I don't need to consume the same stale dish twice to know i don't like it.
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On March 17 2024 08:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 07:57 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 07:47 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:38 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:32 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 06:30 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 05:48 Jealous wrote:
Overall I'd say that MZ looks more townie in the mason chat alone, though it wouldn't be too hard to fake that and leading off with a TR does feel a little awkward unprompted IMO. Kinda like you're buttering him up, which I think is possible as both SvT and TvS and TvT for that matter, so really goes back to my thinking that it is NAI or WIFOM at best.
Palmar just looks wholly disinterested which I think leans slightly more scummy overall but that is WIFOM too, I imagine scum would in general at least try to look interested. If he truly thinks they are stupid then it's NAI, it would have to be a belief that he has in a vacuum outside of this specific game. I guess if anyone has masoned before with Palmar outside of Slam, now would be a good time to compare that to previous occurrences to see if there is some inconsistency there. And you too. I am very interested in this game. I’m one of like the top 3 players in terms of games played and this may be the longest filter I’ve ever produced. I am very interested in the game. No idea why people feel comfortable pushing the idea I’m not interested or haven’t done stuff. If you wanna push that I’ve been wrong or that I’ve been unsure or flip floppy or whatever that’s fine. But I am absolutely interested This post was about the Mason chat. I think you will agree with me that you looked wholly disinterested there. I don’t see the point in mason chats. Go read last game or even a little exchange I had with Marv this game for confirmation Eh, at least one of your posts would beg to differ. Please see this post I made recently: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=467#9327Could you explain the apparent inconsistency here? Palmar, can you please answer this? You’re right. It’s a slam specific thing. I should really stop supplying excuses for the people I am questioning What about the D2 VE vote? Can you walk me through your thought process there? My analysis is in the thread. The best thing to do was vote Oats. Then I did the opposite because I’m a moron
While "I'm a moron" in this context is probably true, what I asked for is a thought process, because even morons have those. They just usually aren't good.
Can you link me to this analysis?
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On March 17 2024 08:17 Palmar wrote:
Wasn’t trying to save oats.
😉
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On March 17 2024 08:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 08:20 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote:
He's repeatedly brought up people just for being wrong on someone. See Koshi in the night.
We can't let a guy win cause he uses scripts to generate post links and iamp believes it's by hand. You think Jealous is an AI? No I think he just clicks posts with an extension or something similar and gets a link to them. Not excluding some of his content may be AI generated.
You just middle mouse click the post time and it opens it in a new window for you, then you copy the URL, then you select the text you want to URL-ize, press the URL button in the post editor, paste it, and bam: a link to a post. Ezpz.
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On March 17 2024 08:26 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 08:22 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 08:20 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote:
He's repeatedly brought up people just for being wrong on someone. See Koshi in the night.
We can't let a guy win cause he uses scripts to generate post links and iamp believes it's by hand. You think Jealous is an AI? No I think he just clicks posts with an extension or something similar and gets a link to them. Not excluding some of his content may be AI generated. You just middle mouse click the post time and it opens it in a new window for you, then you copy the URL, then you select the text you want to URL-ize, press the URL button in the post editor, paste it, and bam: a link to a post. Ezpz. That's beside the point. I know you'll latch onto anything vaguely debatable.
I think that trying to argue that I don't write my own posts js pretty fucked up tbh.
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On March 17 2024 08:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 08:27 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 08:26 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 08:22 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 08:20 Palmar wrote:On March 17 2024 08:18 Vivax wrote:
He's repeatedly brought up people just for being wrong on someone. See Koshi in the night.
We can't let a guy win cause he uses scripts to generate post links and iamp believes it's by hand. You think Jealous is an AI? No I think he just clicks posts with an extension or something similar and gets a link to them. Not excluding some of his content may be AI generated. You just middle mouse click the post time and it opens it in a new window for you, then you copy the URL, then you select the text you want to URL-ize, press the URL button in the post editor, paste it, and bam: a link to a post. Ezpz. That's beside the point. I know you'll latch onto anything vaguely debatable. I think that trying to argue that I don't write my own posts js pretty fucked up tbh. Your mood was too good after CC lim. What else do I need. Before lynch you were all calm and collected when we were all panicky. After lynch you panicked and swaggered at once.
I stand by what I said. If townies can get away with being objectively anti-town because "meta" or because of feewings or martyr themselves, then there is no point in playing. If people do anti-town shit, they deserve to be lynched. Playing anti-town is playing against your win condition, obfuscates scum, and sets a bad precedent. I don't have the luxury/burden (depending on your POV) of having a meta read on CopCake. So, I see scummy behavior, I make a case on it, I vote for it, they got lynched. I wasn't the only one on that wagon, either.
I feel 0% bad about it. Removing the biggest red herrings makes the goal clearer.
Pretty sure this is why Race Bannon was banned, no?
Side note, he is keeping up with this thread and is really mad at DP for some reason. I thought that was funny.
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On March 17 2024 08:31 Vivax wrote:
There's also the argument that mafia would be interested into bringing copcake to lategame for being easy bait and when presented with two choices they deliberately left you alive even though you are more productive.
It was TvT so they prosper either way. Your case against me here, much like your vote against VE on Day 3, is proof of that. It's more likely that they just pulled out their popcorn and enjoyed the show. Plus, and I've stated this before, at times I feel like a convenient idiot for them, given that they would have known I've been voting for CopCake for three days straight. And I still contend that doing so looks bad on me and thus lowers any value I have as town, as evidenced by what the thread sentiment is at the moment.
Here's an alternative: DP is scum and switched in order to put himself in a position of "scum would never do that" when I flip town. That would be a sick play.
FWIW I still think he's town but as the days dwindle and he stays alive, it's something I'm increasingly paranoid about.
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On March 17 2024 08:40 Vivax wrote:
If I weren't at work I'd compare the post amounts within the time periods where Jealous isn't up for lynch vs. when he is up for lynch.
Maybe someone could do it to have his remaining doubts removed I'd believe it to be a stark difference.
It's a Saturday and my plans for the day got canceled. Was supposed to go to the beach to do some fishing but my dad caught a cold.
Excuses aside, just about everyone ramps up when the pressure is on them. It's in everyone's win condition to avoid being lynched. Palmar D4. MZ after my post. It's NAI and you know it.
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On March 17 2024 09:09 Vivax wrote:
I also believe I'd probably be a big fan of Jealous posting in games where he rolled town.
It pains me but it must be done or obs will haunt us forever
When I flip, look back on this one.
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On March 17 2024 09:42 Vivax wrote:
Bruh I thought deadline was in an hour and almost got a heart attack
It's in an hour and twelve minutes.
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On March 17 2024 09:54 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 09:48 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 09:42 Vivax wrote:
Bruh I thought deadline was in an hour and almost got a heart attack It's in an hour and twelve minutes. its a day
Fr? Jesus.
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I wrote out my last will on my phone and everything.
Well, that's good, means I can tune out for the rest of the evening and actually enjoy this party I'm about to go to. Glhf y'all.
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On March 17 2024 10:14 die_meatbaby wrote:what useless games are that? First is one page with pic only Second one is 4 page filter?? Are you scared to link us a good mafia game you played or what??
Those are the only two scum games I have, ever.
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On March 17 2024 10:22 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:14 die_meatbaby wrote:what useless games are that? First is one page with pic only Second one is 4 page filter?? Are you scared to link us a good mafia game you played or what?? Those are the only two scum games I have, ever.
I have like 6 games total and one on another site from many years ago that I don't remember.
Fun fact, I was the one who invited Cal!x here from that site. Wonder how they are doing, they were good people.
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On March 17 2024 10:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Holy shit Jealous You're fanatacist? How did I not know this.
The legend, the one and only 😎
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On March 17 2024 10:35 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 17 2024 00:55 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 00:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 17 2024 00:17 Jealous wrote:On March 16 2024 20:55 DarthPunk wrote:
Can you let us know who you mason please jealous? Just woke up, still debating who to choose. I am not sure that there is a lot of merit in this mason chat for you today. I would prefer to have your thoughts and contributions in the thread if you are town. This is kinda my thinking too tbh. I'm kinda worried that the mason chat, at least the way I approach it, will only serve to make me feel someone is more townie due to the mere exposure effect even if it not objectively deserved. I'm looking into something at the moment and will be posting stuff I find along the way that isn't relevant to my main research target. For example - and of course, these are basically D1 reads, blah blah - DP's EoN1 list post has three out of four confirmed town in the scum pile + DMB: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=188#3755Oats is "Do Not Lynch" tier, too. So is Palmar and iamperfection. Personally I don't think I can ascribe too much AI into this, but it is interesting how much things have changed since then.
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On March 17 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Of course I judge you for playing this less games.... If Jeouls is just Town playing bad as hell and also in easy lynch means that there are possible 2 mafia voting j right now and 1 on Palmar... I scared that we have her an insane scum team like Palmar, Rels, DP More realistic Rels, DP, Jat Rels, Palmar, Jat Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 09:31 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Five Vote Count
Jealous (5): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection
Palmar (3): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): die_meatbaby
With 5 votes, Jealous is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
But thats not a Townread on J. I will check your other games first. thanks for the links
Idk, I think there have been several town players in this game that have played objectively worse than me, regardless of how many games they've played. Obviously I'm biased, but game count doesn't matter IMO.
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I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good.
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On March 17 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 10:23 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:22 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:14 die_meatbaby wrote:what useless games are that? First is one page with pic only Second one is 4 page filter?? Are you scared to link us a good mafia game you played or what?? Those are the only two scum games I have, ever. I have like 6 games total and one on another site from many years ago that I don't remember. Fun fact, I was the one who invited Cal!x here from that site. Wonder how they are doing, they were good people. @vivax did you know that he is not as experienced here? I mean playing under 10 games in like a decade means for me not experienced... I don't know him but judging by the words he picks he's partying at a zerg spawning pool
Okay, that's a step too far.
My life for Aiur.
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Lol some things don't change I guess, was fun revisiting my old games:
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On March 17 2024 10:48 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 10:23 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:22 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:14 die_meatbaby wrote:what useless games are that? First is one page with pic only Second one is 4 page filter?? Are you scared to link us a good mafia game you played or what?? Those are the only two scum games I have, ever. I have like 6 games total and one on another site from many years ago that I don't remember. Fun fact, I was the one who invited Cal!x here from that site. Wonder how they are doing, they were good people. @vivax did you know that he is not as experienced here? I mean playing under 10 games in like a decade means for me not experienced... I don't know him but judging by the words he picks he's partying at a zerg spawning pool Okay, that's a step too far. My life for Aiur. well now its decided for sure
😂😂😂
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On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad.
Not really my question. My question was what you thought was "so bad" about MY play.
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On March 17 2024 11:27 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 11:17 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 10:48 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote:
I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good. I know I am playing bad. Not really my question. My question was what you thought was "so bad" about MY play. Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels .............no words needed.........
Fair point tbh.
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On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous I might be willing to unvote you on one condition: Don‘t case MZ or Palmar. Acknowledge that Rels calling TTS mafia and then deferring to a random lurker lynch is scummy, and case him instead.
I've been meaning to read Rels again anyway and once I found out I have 24 more hours I kinda clocked out but I'll do that tomorrow EST.
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On March 17 2024 15:09 DarthPunk wrote:Pocketing strong townies: The first thing that made me think I was being hard pocketed by palmar was the fact that his progression on his read on me entirely oriented around his own survival day one. For example, Palmar does this thing that struck me as odd at the time, where despite having the most posts in the game by far on day 1, he says I am null and he has only read me in context of other players. The thing that struck me at the time was that he was commenting on my alingment without reading my filter, but that is not really the issue here. The issue is that his read on me was almost entirely turned around by the fact that I defended him from a lynch day one. + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 22:25 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 22:14 Palmar wrote:
16/97 pages is just DP, jesus christ Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh. DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players.I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh. Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something. But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. On March 06 2024 07:16 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day.
So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time.
Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies.
This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread.
I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time.
Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it.
I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way.
Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one.
I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead.
Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming.
Btw, yes I know I'm biased because I'm being defended. But this is EXTREMELY good reasoning for me being town. The bolded stuff, that is. I don't agree with his other points. I can do well as scum and I would probably never fakeclaim anything as mafia on day 1. I'm mostly emphasizing this because it makes DP look really, really good. He's not just correct about my alignment, he is correct for (mostly) the right reasons. On March 06 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:30 justanothertownie wrote:
DP is probably town btw. just very misguided. Speak politely to your betters. On March 06 2024 19:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:07 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:02 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 13:57 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 13:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote:
Mafia
DP
Iamp
Vivax
this is so bad it deserves to be lynched. Why? Explain me why is Darth town? Because he did a catastrophe yesterday. Did you read DPs analysis of why I am town? I may be hard pocketed but I did point out that he is right for the right reasons. Mafia can do that. You should know this. Mafia can be right, but because they don't have to actually think to reach the right conclusion they're rarely right for the right reasons. DP is very high on my town list. Some of the stuff I like him for isn't even alignment indicative (and some is). He thinks reasonably about the game and is very active. I don't think going after him is a viable avenue.Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
This also happened with marv: + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia. I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. In your mind this is town marv coming after you? I don't know. I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier. But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to. Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today. Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting. Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia. This isn't a valid complaint. I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me. I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him. I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill. I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum. And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances. And they’re absent here. So you’re mafia. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
You know this. If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not. This is not true. On March 06 2024 07:18 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:15 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Why now? Why not 2-3 hours ago Because I have infinite faith in marv coming around. 2-3 hours ago I didn't actually think I was going to be killed. I NEED to pre-empt the "well he was playing like mafia" bullshit and "I would never call him mafia as scum because it's risky cause people think I'm the Palmar oracle" that he has already posted in the thread. If I do get lynched this needs to be in the thread. That's why I'm pointing it out now. On March 06 2024 08:39 Palmar wrote:
Btw marv backing off means I retract the 100% scum when I flip town thing. I saw the mafia greedily considering a NK on me to make marv look bad and I successfully protected town from their machinations.
Doesn't make marv town, just not lock scum.
Weird marv progression by palmar, entirely tied to his survival and marvs stance on him. Marv and Palmar have a history as well, so all the expectations that palmar has on marv for being correct the same should work the other way. On March 07 2024 00:17 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 22:37 sandroba wrote:
I'm liking palmar more and more. His night posts read really genuine to me, maybe I'm a fool but I'm prob not going after palmar d2.
Marv had some paranoind behavior in the qt which has fully convinced me he is town.
I think these are the big question marks for people and I think they are both town.
By process of elimination here is what I'm at:
Likely mafia: ve + rels - both didn't care one bit about the lynch imo
Depending on TTS being mafia or town it leave us 2/3 mafia in this pile:
mz, jsl, jat, cop, dmb, slam
This is where I'm at. You know, if sandro says marv is town, I'll happily accept that and hold on to further shadethrowing in that direction.Makes the game a lot easier for me if I just assume the two of you are town and work from there. Palmar calls marv mafia out of the blue because marv is trying to lynch palmar, marv stops trying to lynch palmar then palmar happily flips his read citing Sandro. I find this highly problematic for Town!Palmar, he is townreading and pocketing strong players when they call him town, and scum reading them when they call him mafia. If he was actually town I would expect him to be more agentic in his reads and the prosecution of a scum hunting agenda. Which brings me to my second set of problems. Interactions with flipped mafia:Palmar 'scumreads' TTS day one for basically his first set of posts, but also undermines the read here: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote:
Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though. Calls for his PLynch here: + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. Again calls for a lynch buried in other townies here: + Show Spoiler +On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad. On March 07 2024 01:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 01:16 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 01:14 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 01:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 07 2024 01:12 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 01:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. Like looking at this post you have trfel as a policy lynch but in the bottom it isn't. yeah, makes perfect sense right? No lol. Looks like your just making up shit to me. Did you notice that I also called Vivax town! How cool is that? Why didn't you have tts as policy btw Because he and Trfel are different. I liked Trfel's posts, but just dropping the game and fucking off is a lynchable offense. I didn't like TTSs posts. Note that I haven't revisited TTS at all this night, so that list may be out of date, although I can't remember him posting. A policy lynch is a lynch suggestion that is independent of perceived alignment, but rather based on a policy of expected town behavior. TTS could fit into both categories (policy lynch a lurker and lynching him for bad posting) but obviously when combined he goes into the scum pool. This is why I'm joking around with you seeing a contradiction in saying Trfel is a policy lynch candidate (or really, a vig target candidate) and then saying I actually think his posts look townie. If you think that's a problem, then you just don't know what a policy lynch is. This post is way weird and over the top. He goes in at length to talk about why TTS is mafia and not a policy lynch, but has not pushed him as a viable candidate at all. It's purely distancing, he wants to get credit for calling TTS mafia, but he doesn't actually want to pursue the 'read' + Show Spoiler +On March 16 2024 19:12 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Can I ask you why you never really pursued your reads on Oats and TTS on day one?
TTS was never a "read" per se. I noticed he said something like "I'm not going to do anything till day 4" which to me was weird because he expected to be alive by then. But I also recognized it was a very minor thing. He did post though, and I remember someone asking about the difference between hapa and TTS in my views, and that is exactly that. Hapa just straight up left. TTS made some bad posts and left. Trfel made some decent posts and left. I considered them all vigi targets/possible policy lynches on day 1/night 1, but obviously each situation is different. I can't claim I "caught" TTS, he was just mafia by measurable heuristics. This response last night should have pinged me more, basically he is saying that someone was not a scum read (untrue by his own words) and was just mafia by heuristics (how is this different to a scum read?) and therefore didn't need to pursue the read he had on mafia day one? Thats just fucking mafia gymnastics right there. Again with oats: Early distancing:+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 06:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:19 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:18 Palmar wrote:
I read like 2 posts of Oats and he's scummy Then he voted for me and I'm blasting town like everywhere PPPSWSSHHHHHH I agree with you being town. I'm like 2 pages into the game so all my reads are just random feelings right now but I like you, Vivax, iamp and DP. I don't like Oats. On March 05 2024 09:54 Palmar wrote:
Oats scummy read is for announcing he wants to be mayor but then I skimmed a few more points and he didn’t really push the idea he should be. On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. Look how fast and easily he turns around on his scumread on oats + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. [red] I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. Palmar never wanted to lynch oats, even when he calls out oats for the exact and only reason he can be called out that early. A player of palmar's calibre, confidence and hubris does not just bend over like this unless he WANTS TO. Oats is basically ignored again BTW until the red check+ Show Spoiler +On March 07 2024 17:05 Palmar wrote:
Like 90% mafia is basically the best shot we can get. I’m sorry Oats but not much to do about it. If you’re town just get to work and leave a strong legacy. Look at this subtle suggestion on a VE wagon btw, I say here that I am glad I don't have to lynch VE when there is oats on the table and Palmar says: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 17:14 Palmar wrote:On March 07 2024 17:12 DarthPunk wrote:
In a way I’m happy oats got read checked cause now I don’t have to lynch ve today. Don’t think killing VE would’ve been all that hard. It’s a hobby of mine. Easy to convince me to take part. He is basically soft suggesting a swap onto VE here, to me who is KNOWN to fuck around with wagons at the deadline. but then we are back to the correct play that Palmar HAS to go with or claim mafia. Stay the course on Oats. + Show Spoiler +On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. On March 09 2024 07:26 Palmar wrote:
But yeah, I simply cannot worry about the worst case scenario (Framer) because if you lose to a successful frame there really isn't much to be done.
All the other scenarios ranging from salvage-able to great
Oats is mafia: great
Slam is mafia: good, 1 for 1 is acceptable
Oats is miller: salvageable, at least slam gets confirmed
And mafia needs to shoot slam, so Vivax can play mind games whether or not to jail slam in that last scenario. Mafia can't just RB slam, because they need to RB DP if DP is town which I think is the case. Subtly hinting at a swap off, directly contradicting all his 'stay the course' posts. + Show Spoiler +On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:
Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think. On March 09 2024 07:50 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 07:48 Koshi wrote:
I think if Oats flips town marv is mafia over Palmar tbh. But maybe I am just angry he is voting his townread. To be fair I'm voting a townread Oats as well On March 09 2024 07:54 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Mafia inside Marv/Oats/Jake/Cake and mix in a couple of hiding lurkers. Dealers choice. I think the game ends in town victory, even if you lot lynch me tomorrow.
I'm sorry I couldn't give this game the time it deserves, my weekend starts tomorrow so I'll at least fight my lynch if I live the night.
Good luck urybody. You know after all that bullshit on staying the course, palmar never votes for oats. This should have been a death sentence right here. I will admit I was wrong on Palmar, I was pocketed by him and defended him through 2 lynch attempts. but this here is blatant mafia play for a player of the caliber of palmar, he does know better. Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:12 Palmar wrote:On March 16 2024 18:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Can I ask you why you never really pursued your reads on Oats and TTS on day one?
Regarding Oats, and I know this isn't going to sound great for me. I didn't do great on the scumhunting part in the last game I played. It's been like 4 years since I played mafia, and I lynched HF despite the fact I should've known better, and it took me a long time to find both dmb and rayn. I essentially had to rely on marv bailing me out of a lynch, and then on cooperation with sandroba that I should've seen as town much earlier to finish the game. Yes, I got around to voting only mafia for the last few days, but it took me longer than expected. [red] So, this game, and this is still the case, and I really need a smaller game to clear my head a bit, my confidence has been shaken a little bit. Just look at the lack of "fuck you, you're mafia" I've done this game. I'm genuinely not sure on anything. For someone who if town, is not confident in his reads enough to pursue them in any fashion whatsoever, he is confident enough to NOT LYNCH A RED CHECK ON DAY 2. Just mafia. Now we get to METABasically my analysis of palmars play in this game vs his last game is town is as follows: This game: 1.) not agentic in pursuing mafia reads 2.) self awareness of stylistic differences and explaining them away. 3.) referencing a lack of confidence to excuse scummy things away. Last game: 1.) very confident and forceful in scumhunting 2.) leads wagon on vivax and pushes hard for his lynch choices. 3.)extreme levels of confidence and arrogance. From Town!palmars own analysis last game + Show Spoiler +On December 12 2023 18:15 Palmar wrote:
Some other random thoughts.
HF slides a little towards scummy
Still think DMB is more likely to be town
There is a world where we need to attack Koshi and HF just to get them to do something.
Shooting Chez is a good idea if we have a vigilante. He's never going to reveal his alignment through analysis. Checking into the less useful good players (marv, rayn, HF)
Another thing, I think this list is important. From most to least influential day 1 town play (disregarding some of the bits I haven't caught up on from last night):
Palmar
DP
Trfel
Marv
Koshi
DMB
Rayn
Sandroba
HF
Slam
Chezinu
Aside from the trolls (bottom 2) I think it's somewhat important to think about how much people actually tried to get shit done on day 1. This is not a "bottom mafia, top town" list, but rather an indicator on how much I think people tried to get their vision of the game done in the game on day 1. Mafia likes to not be the initiating factor in town, but rather just follow along.
On December 13 2023 06:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is Palmar top 1 contributor in his list when Palmar just lead a mislynch and DP top 2 was probably on mafia sandroba? Isn't that clear? Obviously the primary contributor to the day is the person who got his choice of lynch killed. I didn't say it was necessarily a positive contribution. The list is based on how hard and successfully people pushed their ideas in the threadYou know mafia likes to sheep more than they like to lead. It's an important list, but only as extra evidence. No one got more shit done on day 1 than me. Doesn't really matter if I'm right or wrong. I will allow you to call me bad for keeping him alive thus far, but I am redeeming myself in the end, it is impossible he is not mafia in this spot. He will certainly have a very confident and persuasive defense. but to paraphrase the great man himself: Judge him on the things that he did or failed to do this game. In the words of our fallen town heroes: Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Lynch Palmar, + Show Spoiler +After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
I don't like the spoilering of things that won't work with your world view, but damn this is a good post overall IMO. Happy to be parked here on Palmar for now.
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On March 17 2024 12:17 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 12:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 11:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
lets lynch dp vivax found out everything. Grack told us and we didn´t see it Funny because I think it‘s true. Jacob is the gunsmith dog (Gromit?) being shot with his own gun kinda. Grack snuck a host clue in but it‘d be a dick move to lynch DP for it :D kinda scummy from dp not reacting on the case on him We can‘t use it unless we want him to go to war with the host would be funny
I know this apparently is not on the table right now but I just wanna point out as I save things for tomorrow, isn't this just downright smug from DMB?
The person who did nothing in the first 24 hours of this cycle and barges in demanding shit, then just posts more throwaway one-liners outside of pressuring me to provide her with links to games I played 8 years ago?
Just wanted to put it out there. It's not in the current lynchpool and I'm already being painted as misogynist so it is what it is, just wanna make it clear that this is not D2 DMB or D3 DMB, etc.
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On March 17 2024 12:18 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:17 DarthPunk wrote:On March 17 2024 12:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 11:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
lets lynch dp vivax found out everything. Grack told us and we didn´t see it Funny because I think it‘s true. Jacob is the gunsmith dog (Gromit?) being shot with his own gun kinda. Grack snuck a host clue in but it‘d be a dick move to lynch DP for it :D kinda scummy from dp not reacting on the case on him Are you serious? no
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On March 17 2024 12:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote:I hate reading MZ so much. I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did. But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys I knew this was familiar. Here is a post from 4 days prior: Show nested quote +On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. And another 2 days later: Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 07:20 Palmar wrote:
I need Rels to come tell me MZ is still town in his mind, I cba reading the later pages of his filter.
The more I think about it, MZ did mason me, and his literal first words were "hey I think you're town." I kinda regret now not engaging with him at all, but we're on stupid different time schedules. So he has been reading (or possibly only claims to have read if scum) MZ's filter. Maybe only once, likely partially based on his last post, but he's done it. Why does he start again on March 16? If he's town, it's hard to believe. If he's scum, it's because he claimed to have done it, but probably just didn't and just posted what he wanted to post on MZ anyway, and then had forgotten about it a few days later. It also clashes with this post: Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote:
I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two. "I've not really bothered to filter at all" is provably wrong based on the 2 posts I've quoted above.
Rels on fire with this one IMO. Read it earlier and I was like "I need to reread this when I get home" and it still slaps.
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On March 17 2024 12:50 Rels wrote:
Like, we agree on things that I've not said in the thread, so it cannot be a pure "I'm gonna copy this guy" play. I agreed with him telling you that one scum game is not a scum meta for instance, and I think he's the only one that said it
Who, me? Lol. This level of pronouns is beyond me.
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Compare a photo of yourself today to yourself 8 years ago and I'm sure you will find some differences there.
To implicate me of being static throughout those 8 years is as nonsensical as believing any of us have not changed in the past 8 years.
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On March 17 2024 22:52 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 15:15 DarthPunk wrote:im around to chat and to convince you to vote with me. Sorry vivax  You should be. We‘re lynching Jealous and when he flips scum you should shake
When I flip town remember this, too. Vivax is setting up "can't be DP."
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On March 17 2024 21:00 Palmar wrote:
So looks like I might finally die. I am absolutely not going to be much around today, so here's some thoughts on the state of the game.
My list from townie to scummy goes like this at the moment
Palmar
DarthPunk
Vivax
Iamp
JAT
Rels
MZ
Jealous
DMB
I understand this is yet another revision of what I'm thinking about but I'll give short explanations.
DP is immune to lylo. Have fun wifoming yourselves tomorrow. He's probably town though because he's made a lot of sense. His play has been good but the dude really needs to post less. The game is completely unreadable to the benefit of mafia.
Vivax is what it is. We didn't policy him on day 1, so we just hope he's town.
Iamp should be lower for being an obstinate ass, and having lots of weird takes, but I guess by PoE he needs to be this far up the list. I'm mostly just riding old townie reads on him, and there's also the bit where he occasionally actually spends some time critically thinking about the game and makes good points. Another fun wifom target for tomorrow!
JAT: should be lower as well, but people aren't making this easy. Had to be forced into actually making takes and not just kinda existing in the thread. When the pressure is off he's right back to his pointless commentary on the game and how it's going. But some of his takes were actually pretty good and I'm also pocketed.
MZ: No thread presence at all. MZ writes likeable posts, but he does nothing. I'm not even sure he shouldn't be at the bottom of this just for that, but the guy is just nice. The one thing keeping him out of the doghouse is the fact that he masoned me on day 2. Very risky to do if you're mafia, he doesn't know I'm not gonna engage.
Rels: I really, really hated that take where he ignored his own conclusion from the MZ case to basically call himself town when I flip town. Remember that this isn't true when I flip town. He has absolutely no thread presence, and has been very lightly involved in the game. JAT and Iamp basically get to be as high as they are based on the fact that at least they're taking part in the game. Rels has been correct on everything this game, except his weird tunnel on me all game. He came on really, really strong back on day 1. I remember hating his entrance because he had basically not posted anything at all and then started spewing bunch of bullshit about how I was talking to marv, without ever thinking about just asking marv if it was weird or not. Tip: it was not. Then he just kinda accepted that I didn't give a shit about him or his takes and was happy being a non-factor.
Jealous: Of the people near the bottom of my list, this guy has the most thread presence. He has had a few weird takes throughout the game, the one I noticed the most is the frustration regarding CCs self vote. Essentially he was mad that we were accepting it for what it was. While obviously I was fuming at CCs refusal to play the game, unlike Jealous, I was willing to accept what it actually meant, stupid as it was. I think Jealous is smart, so this was to me a very noticeable discrepancy. Even someone like DP was more in the camp of my reaction, same with iamp. Another thing about Jealous is that despite having higher thread presence than the people above him, he has this playstyle where he kinda barges in with a bunch of takes, and then just leaves. It doesn't feel like he's molding the thread to his reads at all.
Sorry... gotta go, will finish with DMB and some defense of myself later.
This is a scum tell IMO.
Mostly because he just absorbed the verbiage I used against DMB just a few pages ago and tried to use it against me. That's not a person formulating their own opinion, it's a person manufacturing an opinion by stringing together words they saw recently. I'm phone posting so not checking filters now but I am fairly sure Palmar has not said the words "barges in" even once this game, but just so happens to do so right after I do?
On March 17 2024 15:51 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2024 12:17 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 12:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 11:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
lets lynch dp vivax found out everything. Grack told us and we didn´t see it Funny because I think it‘s true. Jacob is the gunsmith dog (Gromit?) being shot with his own gun kinda. Grack snuck a host clue in but it‘d be a dick move to lynch DP for it :D kinda scummy from dp not reacting on the case on him We can‘t use it unless we want him to go to war with the host would be funny I know this apparently is not on the table right now but I just wanna point out as I save things for tomorrow, isn't this just downright smug from DMB? The person who did nothing in the first 24 hours of this cycle and barges in demanding shit, then just posts more throwaway one-liners outside of pressuring me to provide her with links to games I played 8 years ago? Just wanted to put it out there. It's not in the current lynchpool and I'm already being painted as misogynist so it is what it is, just wanna make it clear that this is not D2 DMB or D3 DMB, etc.
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On March 17 2024 23:34 Vivax wrote:
‚I knew you‘d react this way‘
Yeah cause you‘re leaving alive the scumclaimer who fake dumbtold that he didn‘t know Koshi died.
Or probably he‘s just making everything up
How am I a scum claimed? Is that what angers you about the Kool aid post? I thought it was the fact that I didn't lament the lynching of one of the scummiest townies I've ever seen. You think that the random word generation where I said "town is mafia ##lynch me gg" is me scum claiming?
You've been grasping at straws from deep within your tunnel for a while but this one boggles my mind beyond measure.
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On March 18 2024 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Jealous what do you think of Rels scumreading TTS first then asking town for a lurker lynch?
WIFOM:
1. Day 1 so mostly NAI. Everyone had a mix of good and bad takes D1 and some people might have been lucky on a few of them. Policy lynch was on the menu and it's objectively a good wagon to be on and push. Pushing a scum read you are basing on one day of activity against an objectively good lynch can work against you in the long run if you're town.
2. Rels knows everyone's alignment because he's scum so that's why even his D1 reads were nearly clairvoyant in retrospect.
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On March 18 2024 00:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 00:42 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 23:34 Vivax wrote:
‚I knew you‘d react this way‘
Yeah cause you‘re leaving alive the scumclaimer who fake dumbtold that he didn‘t know Koshi died.
Or probably he‘s just making everything up How am I a scum claimed? Is that what angers you about the Kool aid post? I thought it was the fact that I didn't lament the lynching of one of the scummiest townies I've ever seen. You think that the random word generation where I said "town is mafia ##lynch me gg" is me scum claiming? You've been grasping at straws from deep within your tunnel for a while but this one boggles my mind beyond measure. Okay cool but what's your first opinion on Rels that comes to your mind?
Not dodging btw (answered above), I just quote and respond as I catch up to the thread.
Which js another point against the "barges in and posts takes and leaves" narrative that Palmar is spinning up. First of all some people show up after being absent for 24 hours and post no takes at all (DMB is a recent example but there are others) which is objectively worse. Second of all everyone sleeps at some point and has to catch up to the thread, if they do their due diligence of course there will be a condensed burst of posting reads about shit that happened while they were asleep.
Objectively bad take from Palmar.
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On March 18 2024 00:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 00:50 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Jealous what do you think of Rels scumreading TTS first then asking town for a lurker lynch? WIFOM: 1. Day 1 so mostly NAI. Everyone had a mix of good and bad takes D1 and some people might have been lucky on a few of them. Policy lynch was on the menu and it's objectively a good wagon to be on and push. Pushing a scum read you are basing on one day of activity against an objectively good lynch can work against you in the long run if you're town. 2. Rels knows everyone's alignment because he's scum so that's why even his D1 reads were nearly clairvoyant in retrospect. So what's your read on him right now? Do you have one or not?
I'm gonna filter him after breakfast like I promised last night.
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On March 18 2024 00:51 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 00:50 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 00:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
I really think that the threadleader is scum and thats why we had all this Townwagons... You can feel good on Jealous then because threadleader is trying to save him and I wouldn't exclude he has also written a few posts for him. yeah like rayn did for me in my last game when I was getting lynched... Feels the same here
DP basically gave you a cloak of protection when I tried to push back even a little against the objectively scummy play you've been doing recently, and by your own admission you've been playing bad. If I'm reaping benefits from DP's thread presence, you're getting the whole treasure chest. Be objective and maybe play better?
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On March 18 2024 00:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 00:35 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 21:00 Palmar wrote:
So looks like I might finally die. I am absolutely not going to be much around today, so here's some thoughts on the state of the game.
My list from townie to scummy goes like this at the moment
Palmar
DarthPunk
Vivax
Iamp
JAT
Rels
MZ
Jealous
DMB
I understand this is yet another revision of what I'm thinking about but I'll give short explanations.
DP is immune to lylo. Have fun wifoming yourselves tomorrow. He's probably town though because he's made a lot of sense. His play has been good but the dude really needs to post less. The game is completely unreadable to the benefit of mafia.
Vivax is what it is. We didn't policy him on day 1, so we just hope he's town.
Iamp should be lower for being an obstinate ass, and having lots of weird takes, but I guess by PoE he needs to be this far up the list. I'm mostly just riding old townie reads on him, and there's also the bit where he occasionally actually spends some time critically thinking about the game and makes good points. Another fun wifom target for tomorrow!
JAT: should be lower as well, but people aren't making this easy. Had to be forced into actually making takes and not just kinda existing in the thread. When the pressure is off he's right back to his pointless commentary on the game and how it's going. But some of his takes were actually pretty good and I'm also pocketed.
MZ: No thread presence at all. MZ writes likeable posts, but he does nothing. I'm not even sure he shouldn't be at the bottom of this just for that, but the guy is just nice. The one thing keeping him out of the doghouse is the fact that he masoned me on day 2. Very risky to do if you're mafia, he doesn't know I'm not gonna engage.
Rels: I really, really hated that take where he ignored his own conclusion from the MZ case to basically call himself town when I flip town. Remember that this isn't true when I flip town. He has absolutely no thread presence, and has been very lightly involved in the game. JAT and Iamp basically get to be as high as they are based on the fact that at least they're taking part in the game. Rels has been correct on everything this game, except his weird tunnel on me all game. He came on really, really strong back on day 1. I remember hating his entrance because he had basically not posted anything at all and then started spewing bunch of bullshit about how I was talking to marv, without ever thinking about just asking marv if it was weird or not. Tip: it was not. Then he just kinda accepted that I didn't give a shit about him or his takes and was happy being a non-factor.
Jealous: Of the people near the bottom of my list, this guy has the most thread presence. He has had a few weird takes throughout the game, the one I noticed the most is the frustration regarding CCs self vote. Essentially he was mad that we were accepting it for what it was. While obviously I was fuming at CCs refusal to play the game, unlike Jealous, I was willing to accept what it actually meant, stupid as it was. I think Jealous is smart, so this was to me a very noticeable discrepancy. Even someone like DP was more in the camp of my reaction, same with iamp. Another thing about Jealous is that despite having higher thread presence than the people above him, he has this playstyle where he kinda barges in with a bunch of takes, and then just leaves. It doesn't feel like he's molding the thread to his reads at all.
Sorry... gotta go, will finish with DMB and some defense of myself later.
This is a scum tell IMO. Mostly because he just absorbed the verbiage I used against DMB just a few pages ago and tried to use it against me. That's not a person formulating their own opinion, it's a person manufacturing an opinion by stringing together words they saw recently. I'm phone posting so not checking filters now but I am fairly sure Palmar has not said the words "barges in" even once this game, but just so happens to do so right after I do? On March 17 2024 15:51 Jealous wrote:On March 17 2024 12:17 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 12:14 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 17 2024 12:01 Vivax wrote:On March 17 2024 11:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
lets lynch dp vivax found out everything. Grack told us and we didn´t see it Funny because I think it‘s true. Jacob is the gunsmith dog (Gromit?) being shot with his own gun kinda. Grack snuck a host clue in but it‘d be a dick move to lynch DP for it :D kinda scummy from dp not reacting on the case on him We can‘t use it unless we want him to go to war with the host would be funny I know this apparently is not on the table right now but I just wanna point out as I save things for tomorrow, isn't this just downright smug from DMB? The person who did nothing in the first 24 hours of this cycle and barges in demanding shit, then just posts more throwaway one-liners outside of pressuring me to provide her with links to games I played 8 years ago? Just wanted to put it out there. It's not in the current lynchpool and I'm already being painted as misogynist so it is what it is, just wanna make it clear that this is not D2 DMB or D3 DMB, etc. As if I read your post lol
> admits to not reading the game
> makes read posts anyway
What alignment does that sound like?
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On March 18 2024 00:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 00:55 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 00:51 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 00:50 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 00:39 Vivax wrote:
Jealous what do you think of Rels scumreading TTS first then asking town for a lurker lynch? WIFOM: 1. Day 1 so mostly NAI. Everyone had a mix of good and bad takes D1 and some people might have been lucky on a few of them. Policy lynch was on the menu and it's objectively a good wagon to be on and push. Pushing a scum read you are basing on one day of activity against an objectively good lynch can work against you in the long run if you're town. 2. Rels knows everyone's alignment because he's scum so that's why even his D1 reads were nearly clairvoyant in retrospect. So what's your read on him right now? Do you have one or not? I'm gonna filter him after breakfast like I promised last night.
Okay so you say you are town, but Rels hasn't voted you for two consecutive days and you can't just assume he's town for that?What now?
Mathematically I can't because mathematically there has to be town on the wagon lynching me. Assuming that all scum is on me is also just an assumption, in fact it is probably a bad one because scum wouldn't want to vote as a unified bloc if they can avoid it. Furthermore, you maniacs here do shennanies at the last moment which makes vote analysis prior to an outcome basically nonsensical. Look at D3 voting patterns for proof.
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On March 18 2024 01:01 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels
Next post says I still have to read his filter again, "Need to revisit, though this applies to some people below as noted." And I meant to put the note on Rels and said so right after.
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On March 18 2024 01:01 Vivax wrote:
Did Rels do something so townie today or why can't Jealous answer about his read on him for half a dozen posts when he had him as scum previously?
Both scum and town can have issues that keep them from playing the game as much as we might want to but Rels has had a very limited thread presence overall, and it's getting late enough in the game over a sufficient number of days where the possibility that they are just coasting is becoming more and more likely, which is more and more of a scum tell. That's why I have them down there with Palmae and why I have to filter them.
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On March 18 2024 01:04 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 01:03 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 01:01 Vivax wrote:On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote:
Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety
DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below
Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit:
MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable
DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard
... and you played well enough at least tbh
Palmar, Rels Next post says I still have to read his filter again, "Need to revisit, though this applies to some people below as noted." And I meant to put the note on Rels and said so right after. Why revisit? Why did you put him as lynchable in the first place? Can't remember?
Answered above.
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On March 18 2024 01:06 Vivax wrote:
Like, he chooses not to vote the town with the most votes and prefers to go uphill battle to Palmar?
Scum!Rels could be just separating his vote from the pack, for example. If I'm going to get lynched without his vote he has no need to jump on it, and when I flip town, it's a point in his favor.
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On March 18 2024 01:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I'm reading your absolute insanity right now yes. You are so catastrophically tunneled that nothing you've said for the last few hours has been worth it. Like why on earth are you asking Jealous why Rels is voting where he is. Ask Rels that. You seem to be setting up these questions that are designed to only scumread Jealous no matter what the answer is. At least Jealous is trying to answer the shit you're asking unlike Palmar who is probably having the time of his life watching you carry his defense this hard. Everything you accused DP of doing for Jealous, you're doing for Palmar at this point.
Yea I think I've already reached my quota of taking abuse from Vivax for today, the last three days have left my gas tank pretty low. Gonna go do actual productive stuff like reading Rels' filter instead of defending myself against a train that will always stay on the same track.
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The amount of misrep is actually crazy.
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On March 18 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:
I mean I have to convince people who are on him still that he is mafia.
You‘re telling me that‘s normal ?
On March 18 2024 03:17 Vivax wrote:
And I have to do it alone 100% of the time
On March 18 2024 03:29 Vivax wrote:
We have to fend off at least three townies at the same time including DP who said they thought he could be scum but play like they don't.
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On March 06 2024 11:58 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Mayor
Vivax (13): raynpelikoneet, Rels, Vivax, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Koshi, Alakaslam, JacobStrangelove, Meapak_Ziphh, marvellosity, Palmar, Jealous, Trfel, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (3): JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, raynpelikoneet, iamperfection, raynpelikoneet, VisceraEyes
Oatsmaster (1): Oatsmaster
Koshi (1): Koshi, justanothertownie
Not Voting (3): CopCake, Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 13 votes, Vivax is currently set to be elected!
Lynch
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam, justanothertownie, Vivax, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
justanothertownie (6): sandroba, Palmar, DarthPunk, Vivax, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, Vivax, Oatsmaster, die_meatbaby, Trfel, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Oatsmaster
Palmar (1) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Rels Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel
JacobStrangelove (1): CopCake, DarthPunk
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster, Oatsmaster, sandroba, DarthPunk
CopCake (0): Oatsmaster, DarthPunk, Meapak_Ziphh
ToTheStars (0): Rels, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, Vivax
Hapahauli (0): Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection, sandroba, Vivax, Oatsmaster
DarthPunk (0) : raynpelikoneet
iamperfection (0): DarthPunk
Koshi (0) : JacobStrangelove, Oatsmaster, sandroba
raynpelikoneet (0) : DarthPunk
Alakaslam (0) Oatsmaster, CopCake
Vivax (0): Alakaslam
Oatsmaster (0) : Vivax, VisceraEyes, DarthPunk
Not Voting(2): Hapahauli, ToTheStars
With 8 votes, Trfel is currently set to be lynched!
Let me know if you see any votes misplaced
The deadline is Wednesday, Mar 06 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On March 18 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote:
did you have a point you were trying to make jealous or were you just looking for good boy points?
Neither, I made it for myself, still thinking about it, figured might as well share it.
On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On March 12 2024 11:01 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Three Vote Count
VisceraEyes(7): Rels, justanothertownie , Koshi, Palmar, Vivax, iamperfection, Meapak_Ziphh, DarthPunk, Vivax, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, Vivax, iamperfection
CopCake (6): Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, Vivax, die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, DarthPunk, iamperfection, CopCake, die_meatbaby, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Vivax, Vivax
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, CopCake
Jealous (0): Vivax
DarthPunk (0): Vivax
With 7 votes, VisceraEyesis lynched!
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Ah crap, remove MZ from that second list, my bad.
Among the living, just Palmar.
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On March 18 2024 05:58 justanothertownie wrote:That list is impressively short. I am not sure these statistics are very helpful without context though. And did you draw any conclusions from the vote counts by now?
Yea. Everyone is really bad at this game and some people switch their votes too many times for apparently no reason.
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I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote.
Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred.
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Palmar + DP doesn't make much sense to me either if DP keeps his vote where it is. Would be a ballsy play to put him within range of getting lynched, though I guess that applies to DMB not voting for me either. Any shennanies this evening could be AI.
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On March 18 2024 06:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:06 Jealous wrote:
I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote.
Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred.
If you die and flip town I promise to vote dmb
Nah, vote Vivax.
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On March 18 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:13 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 06:11 Palmar wrote:On March 18 2024 06:06 Jealous wrote:
I think Palmar + DMB could be a thing. I get lynched, DMB has their hands clean because they didn't help ML a townie while effectively saving Palmar with a non-vote.
Can't work out if that makes Vivax impossible as the 3rd or if it's still possible. Don't think it can be DP because DMB has been constantly reminding us that he could be scum who shot TTS for town cred.
If you die and flip town I promise to vote dmb Nah, vote Vivax. He town though
He will be town who has never once lynched a scum or parked his vote on scum over the course of five days. His only scum votes are:
Day 1 on Oats and TTS (unvoted both, yet keeps reminding us that Rels doing the same thing makes him scum)
... and that's it. Not once did he vote for Oats or TTS after that, despite making 3 votes on Day 2 (VE, marv, and JAT). Not even after the red flip on Oats. Though I guess you are both in that boat, so I can understand your willingness to forgive such "leadership."
Also, this is the guy who voted for five different people on Day 4. Notably Rels wasn't one of them btw.
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On March 18 2024 06:41 Palmar wrote:
Btw, I kinda think what Jealous is doing is just busywork. I remember him doing weird analysis back on n2 that lead nowhere and I didn't mind that at the time.
But really, just based on what's going on recently there are 2 really good points to call him mafia.
1) the cc thing where he gets mad over us townreading her for her shenanigans.
2) the fact that even if I used a phrase that he had used before, how is that scummy? We all get influenced by the stuff around us all the time, and it's not alignment indicative.
Just to address #1 for the umpteenth time. There were two things one might consider "busywork" from Day 2:
1. Analyzing rayn vs. Palmar, because Vivax asked me to. It ended up being a nothingburger.
2. Creating Oats' reads list, because he never provided one and was going to get lynched.
So, one of them is basically not my fault, the other I think is a pretty worthwhile venture.
Day 2 we had a red flip and you're scumreading me for doing work instead of sitting back and voting for the red flip? The one you never voted for?
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On March 18 2024 06:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:44 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:37 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 06:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Perfection are you holding the line on jealous or are you going to lynch palmar with me? Do you think jealous is town? He is in my Poe. Nothing he has done has pinged me in the way that palmar did when I really dug into his filter, but that could be a mafia tell on its own. I’m not against a jealous lynch. I just think palmar is more likely to flip mafia at this point, I have a strong case against palmar which I happen to think is the best case posted this game. Turning it around the other way, why do you think jealous is more likely or as likely to flip mafia as palmar? I've said palmar almost has to be mafia. He didn't even consider you as a possibility despite you spinning on your read late game in what i think is a crucial point. and i know blah blah iamp you said something similar in the night with dp having to be town but there is a diffrence when you know your actually in the situation with it happening with you being alive. I dont see the panic i dont see the scum hunting. He also said town considering this SVS is hilarious is, which im sure hell argue against, is a scum slip. From my pov it is. I just dont want vivax to have a mental breakdown.
Spoiler alert: he is already in the middle of one.
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On March 18 2024 06:45 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 06:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 06:37 Palmar wrote:
Do you like actually want a response to the case? I have a little time now so I'll do it. Well I think it was a good case and you said you would defend yourself. I’m more interested in your dmb case though. I was never going to case her, just gonna do the same as with everyone else. I just literally had to stand up and leave my computer right there. The entire case against her is really simple. If I make a list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game, she is right at the bottom of that list. The current list goes something like: DP Vivax Palmar Iamp Jat Jealous Rels MZ DMB Mafia really likes to hide in the lower tiers of these kind of lists. I'm not necessarily saying being high up means you've played well or anything like that. The main reason I'm so high up is that everyone and their mothers have been trying to murder me all game (thanks jealous for proving it). But I've at least been there to respond and continue developing my stuff. I think this is a valid way to reach a PoE, which is how I'm approaching the game. in a 6v3, if I can eliminte even just 2 townies I'm at 50% chance of voting mafia. If I eliminate 2 more I'm at like 75% chance of hitting mafia. That's how I'm approaching the game. I know I can be wrong on jealous, I can't prove he's mafia, he's played well if he is. He's actually played ok if he's town as well. I'll go read your case on me and do a defense thing
Putting yourself so high because a lot of other people suspected you of being scum at some point is hilarious. How does that make you townie? Doesn't that just make you scummy?
Let's talk facts. Only one of your votes has resulted in a lynch, and it was a mislynch on day 1. In terms of impact on the game, it would be hard to find anyone still alive who has stood out so little in terms of actual outcomes. In fact, never being on a wagon that results in a lynch is arguably pretty suspicious in and of itself.
As far as DMB goes, I agree that their impact in the thread has been limited. Unfortunately, they are also basically CopCake 2.0.
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On March 18 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Should I post votecounts without comment? Maybe it‘ll get him lynched
At this point I'm just making sure that when I flip town and if people look through my filter, they see how terrible you are playing and maybe stop listening to you.
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On March 18 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote:
I have been fair towards Jealous.
I asked him to look at Rels.
I‘m tired of having to argue with people who aren‘t him and have him as scum why he should be lynched.
And both of them called me crazy while agreeing with me.
You didn't vote for Rels even once yesterday. You voted for five other people, and Rels was not on that list. Why do you want a Rels filter read so bad? You'll get it.
Before that though, try to put yourself in my position. Namely, the position of being told to do something by the person who is trying to lynch you when you know you are town, which will result in yet another mislynch, and whenever you start doing the thing that person asked for, that person acts like an ass and misrepresents you habitually in the thread. Almost as if by occupying me with something else, this gives you more opportunity to poison the well. This is also a person who sent you on a wild goose chase in the past.
I think you can understand why I'm not asking "how high?" when you say "jump."
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On March 18 2024 07:14 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:12 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 07:08 Vivax wrote:
Should I post votecounts without comment? Maybe it‘ll get him lynched At this point I'm just making sure that when I flip town and if people look through my filter, they see how terrible you are playing and maybe stop listening to you. That‘s nonsense look at the current votecount. You have one target: Palmar. You can have a second one: Rels. You don‘t try to convince me you just howl about me sucking
I'm responding to Palmar and pointing out things that I don't like, I've analyzed his filter and made a post on that, and I'm voting to lynch him. And, trying to convince you from my position is a fool's errand, you've made that incredibly clear. So, I'm doing the next-best thing and discrediting you.
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On March 18 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote:
I have been fair towards Jealous.
Lmfao
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On March 18 2024 07:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous can you do a list like palmar please .
"A list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game"
Top tier:
DP, Vivax
Mid tier:
Iamp, Jat, Jealous,
Mid-low:
MZ
Low tier:
Palmar, Rels, DMB
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On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol
I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be.
To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe.
With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted.
I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities.
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That they would falsely** leverage their daughter's health
Sorry.
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On March 18 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Ah well.
Palmar isn't mafia.
DMB Jealous DP final answer.
Both are independently defending me (in one way or another) for the past 24 hours so it's a really primitive take but understandable from your POV.
From my POV tbh it makes me suspicious. Who would gain the most by appearing to defend a townie from ML - but the ML happens anyway because one of them votes for a nonstarter and the other promises to hop off in the case of shennanies - when we are one lynch away from lylo? Could be an easy way to gain town points going into the end game.
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On March 18 2024 08:43 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:35 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be. To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe. With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted. I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities. DP is that you writing this again. This isn't Jealous english
Genuinely curious as to what you find characteristic of DP!English and Jealous!English.
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On March 11 2024 14:12 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm Found this on Jealous, pretty stupid logic TBH? The easy way for scum when there are clear wagons that you can't control is to AFK. Of course activity doesn't make him town by itself (I actually think he could be scum!!!), but scumreading him for that???
We're approaching a mathematically impossible number of Vivax potential scums defending a scum!Jealous in his world and a mathematically hilarious amount of Vivax horrible reads.
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On March 15 2024 10:29 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 10:27 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 10:26 Rels wrote:
Hey, I'm finally free. Daughter took a while to sleep, but I could catch up almost everything but the last 2-3 pages on my phone. I have a bunch of posts I want to talk about, to give a summary of my feeling:
- Palmar is still scum. Didn't anything that made me change my mind. Him changing his lock town read based on a single post after I switch to him being scum is ridiculous - it's OMGUS. I hate how he's ready to lynch anyone that can be lynched too this phase - if I have the tabs open on my phone I'll post them
- JAT is seeing the game 99% like me, with the same posts leading to the same thoughts. The only exception is Palmar
- Jealous still didn't post anything that makes me think he could be town, on the contrary, he's awfully calm about being lynched. Would be happy with him being lynched Jealous or cop then ? ?? Jealous of course. Cop is town IMO. Unless something hapepned in the 2 pages I didn't read
I don't think that scum!Rels remains so invested in a TvT vote. I get how having me lynched over CC is better for scum (potentially), as someone else said earlier. However. I don't think scum!Rels sticks his neck out repeatedly for that outcome around pages 18-20 of his filter.
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On March 18 2024 08:55 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:43 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 08:38 Vivax wrote:
Ah well.
Palmar isn't mafia.
DMB Jealous DP final answer. Both are independently defending me (in one way or another) for the past 24 hours so it's a really primitive take but understandable from your POV. From my POV tbh it makes me suspicious. Who would gain the most by appearing to defend a townie from ML - but the ML happens anyway because one of them votes for a nonstarter and the other promises to hop off in the case of shennanies - when we are one lynch away from lylo? Could be an easy way to gain town points going into the end game. I’m not swapping with normal shenanigans just in the last second swap around shit palmar was talking about.
Can you explain the difference between the two, or say this in a different way?
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On March 18 2024 09:03 die_meatbaby wrote:
finally finished work. I put so much alcohol in the cocktails, that people were immediately drunk and left the bar.
The IRL hero we deserve. Cheers to you, thank you for your service 🍻
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On March 15 2024 10:59 Rels wrote:
fuck I hope I'm wrong
Even happy being lynched tomorrow if needed, it would clear the game so much. DMB would be conf town at least
This post is so WIFOM for me but I just straight up don't like it. Probably the first post from Rels where I just straight up hated it. I guess that is saying something too, though.
I don't think Rels' filter adequately explains how this would clear DMB, either.
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On March 18 2024 09:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 08:44 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 08:43 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 08:35 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol I'm going through Rels filter and he isn't quite the clairvoyant that D1 made him out to be. To be quite honest, at this point (12 pages), I have to think Rels is more likely town than scum. Yes, he hasn't had much presence, but I also don't think a person welcomed in this community would be such a piece of shit that they would leverage their daughter's health to explain away inactivity. Not that that in itself is AI, but at least there is a reason I believe. With the activity question out of the way, I think I just didn't give Rels enough credit for their posting. They are clearly invested, their takes are generally sensible with a few exceptions. What I see is a consistent player who isn't shying away from making reads unprompted. I'm upgrading Rels to townread, but I will finish their filter first to see if there are any irregularities. DP is that you writing this again. This isn't Jealous english Genuinely curious as to what you find characteristic of DP!English and Jealous!English. DP english is laconic and orderly. Yours is more like a coked up porn show
The fuck?
This is straight up character assassination. I'm speechless.
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On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention.
Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks.
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On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ?
For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM:
However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2.
That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game.
So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels.
The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML.
TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications.
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On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game.
I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO.
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On March 18 2024 09:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game. I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO. have i hurt your ego?
I just think it's a weak argument because it hinges on out-of-game information you did not have until very recently and you showed no suspicion of previously. Pushing weak arguments doesn't help your case, or in this case, my survival.
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On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway
LOL. I'm starting to see your humor Vivax.
PS: Jello is a funny nickname, too. I kinda hate it and love it at the same time.
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On March 18 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:22 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? He is just fucking idiot pushing weak Town. How long you playing this game? Is it you first one??? Should I explain you what fucking mafia did this game and why VE and CC are misslynced... You know why Trfel was misslynced. He plays differnent then the rest of here. Thats why you all scumreading him. Thats why fucking Town lynched Town this hole fucking game. I know that you are having a moment here but I would like to point out that you only started calling me "weak Town" when you found out how many games I've played. Before that you didn't seem to have any verbalized judgment of my play as being scrubby. Furthermore, I've played with many of the people here before so they know I've been around a long time and I don't think they'd have any reason to assume I'm "noob" until I revealed my game count, which was well into today's push against me. So, I don't think the "kill noob towns" motif makes sense here, it's more like "noob towns look scummy af" and objectively speaking CC and VE both had significant issues with their play that could reasonably lead to a scum read IMO. DP is making Town vs Town lynchs the hole game... most of the time he made all two vote wagons. I don´t trust this man anymore. I don´t vote on his wagons!! Thats the mean reason why I don´t want to vote on you. And I already explaind why I voted CC even I thought of her as Town. But if she wants do die and ask me did that out of desperation because this Town plays here like Garbodor
For what it's worth, I support you not voting for either wagon, and not even because I am one of them. I think that people should vote for their read for the most part (obvious exceptions apply, like Oats). I believe the same thing IRL regarding 3rd party candidates.
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On March 18 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 07:24 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 07:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous can you do a list like palmar please . "A list of how effective/influential/loud/central people that are alive have been over the course of the game" Top tier:DP, Vivax Mid tier:Iamp, Jat, Jealous, Mid-low:MZ Low tier:Palmar, Rels, DMB I kind of just want your reads.
Shoulda said so tbh. I started drafting a list, but realized that due to recent developments, it might be wiser for me to not be so explicit with who I think is town or not. At this point I think I'd be working against town wincon by giving scum my reads. I have a post prepped for just before lynch saved on my phone, and if it seems likely that I'll be lynched, I'll post it. In there you will have some info about my current reads.
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On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:
Grack already told us he‘s scum either way
???
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On March 18 2024 10:22 Vivax wrote:
Jealous can you see dmb/DP/Rels now in this very moment ?
We have the technology, we can rebuild you.
I address this here:
On March 18 2024 09:35 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 09:20 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:15 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 09:12 Vivax wrote:
But I understand that cracking jokes while I‘m trying to lynch you could come across as the wrong intention. Yea, I think I would have taken it better if the situation wasn't what it is. I honestly feel better about all this after you made a genuine joke and this post for my sake. Thanks. Its really good English but it looks so similar to DPs style in certain posts that I think he could have written that. Either way, what‘s your opinion on Oats‘ scumslip read of DMB ? Don‘t you think he was a bit too sure of himself ? For a long time I thought the opposite tbh. He voted her immediately on D2. According to Slam, it was within 13 seconds of Slam revealing Oats' alignment. To me that feels like it can't be a bus, therefore DMB has to be town. Here comes the WIFOM: However, Rels introduced reasonable doubt into my thinking process when he pointed out that Oats had cased her for 24 hours. Maybe you and others can help me with the meta read here, but I don't think that is typical for scum: to start bussing with posts/reads and then votes on D1/N1 -> N2. That being said, in one of my two scum games, I was bussed by HF and scum ended up winning in 3 days because of that IIRC. So, I know it does happen. Furthermore, we know Oats bussed TTS this game. So, the team would have to be Oats, DMB, and Rels. The problem with that is that Rels filter until page 22 (where I am at now) has been townie to me, DMB is now defending me and has been playing like CopCake 2.0 and is being defended by you and DP. I feel like this is just chaotic. Furthermore, Rels has been critical of DMB several times and supported others' reads of DMB = scum. Does scum team double bus DMB this way? Do scum!DMB and scum!Rels both make a Palmar lynch a reality by either voting for him or not voting for town!Jealous? FML. TLDR: I think it may be plausible but it depends on whether this is in character for the parties involved and a more common practice than it feels like it would be. It also has far-reaching and WIFOMy implications.
Like yea, it is plausible. It would have to be well-orchestrated, which is something that I am sure DP and Oats are capable of, and Rels and DMB just have to sheep (no slight against Rels and DMB btw). Rels filter made me believe they are pretty dang town, though, and so does DMB's recent "no DP voting" push. However, not voting for either side of the current lynch pool could just be a great TvT ploy.
Fuck it.
##Unvote
##Vote: DarthPunk
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On March 18 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw. I DIDNT PLAY IN THE GAME YOU LINKED do you get nervous now while i am voting on you? nobody is voting with me. So sadly you are still alive until the next lynch. read the thread!
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Already regretting this.
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On March 18 2024 10:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Five Vote Count
Jealous (3): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection, die_meatbaby
Palmar (3): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous, DarthPunk
DarthPunk (3) : die_meatbaby, Jealous, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
With 3 votes, Jealous is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
No matter what happens, at least I can say that it was epic.
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On March 18 2024 10:40 DarthPunk wrote:
Unvote:
Vote: Jealous
Fair.
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On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away.
At this point if you don't think I'm scum then you might as well vote with me. We will have another chance at Palmar in the future, he won't be NK'd either way after this, and neither will I or DP if we survive this.
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On March 18 2024 10:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:44 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:42 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:30 Vivax wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: DP You are voting with your scum read that is lock mafia according to you you realise? Yeah because I feel awful after hammering on him all day. You on the other hand gave me reason to feel less awful if I lynched you Wait so you are doing this because I yelled at you? You realise as mafia my strat is to pocket the townies right. Whatever you want tho vivax. Honestly. No I took it personally that you manipulated me specifically into voting copcake. And you didn‘t give a fuck about it afterwards. So now you're trying to lynch him rather than your scumread who you now "feel bad for"?
Vivax softening toward the end of this cycle is either masterful scum play or a soft signal of "I was pushing you to make you squirm but I don't think you're actually scum."
I'm betting on the latter.
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On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous town reads me all game and then makes that vote?
Might as well come clean about those reads I mentioned earlier.
I thought long and hard about it and I put both you and Vivax in my Pivot Tier.
The streets are red with townie blood. Under the leadership of Vivax and DP, we have only lynched town. When reason fails, we have to invert reason. So, either both of you are scum, or you are scum. You said so yourself, basically. So, the inverted world logic demands that you are scum.
If you're town, I'm sorry. If you're scum, masterfully played, but...
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On March 18 2024 10:53 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous town reads me all game and then makes that vote? Might as well come clean about those reads I mentioned earlier. I thought long and hard about it and I put both you and Vivax in my Pivot Tier. The streets are red with townie blood. Under the leadership of Vivax and DP, we have only lynched town. When reason fails, we have to invert reason. So, either both of you are scum, or you are scum. You said so yourself, basically. So, the inverted world logic demands that you are scum. If you're town, I'm sorry. If you're scum, masterfully played, but...
On March 18 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote:
I'm not moving.
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On March 18 2024 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
jealous rels dp i guess.
So in your world I am scum because I took my vote off of the leading counterwagon and didn't put it back at any point even as Vivax voted for me?
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On March 18 2024 11:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:12 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 11:08 iamperfection wrote:
jealous rels dp i guess. So in your world I am scum because I took my vote off of the leading counterwagon and didn't put it back at any point even as Vivax voted for me? i dont know
Solid reasoning.
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On March 18 2024 11:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:
Blaming the host if we only had 3 blues. At least I have an excuse there lol It‘s kinda town favoured if we have another lynch… 3 MLs is a lot. Scum is good. DP and Jealous being on it, Oats trying that hard with a redcheck makes sense.
Wait you mean to tell me you still scum read me? Lmao.
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On March 18 2024 11:57 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:54 Rels wrote:
Vivax if you're town, you just made sure the game was unwinnable right there with this beyond stupid logic. I'll blame you post game. You cannot be town and be this stupid. So you're scum Ah so you do know jealous is scum. Why push me then ? Touche
Oh boy, here we go again -_-;
Jealous is so scum that he took his vote off the leading counterwagon that would have made it possible for him to stay alive. Jealous is so scum that he didn't re-vote town!Palmar when it was still potentially within a vote or two of being a lynch on Jealous.
Clearly scum behavior. So scummy that I managed to make the majority of the living players not vote for me. My scummy powers extend beyond the confines of scum chat and controlled the vote of numerous people into a mislynch.
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On March 18 2024 12:01 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 11:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 11:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 11:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax if you thought I was never going to get lynched today, why did you vote me over your top scumread thereby essentially ensuring that palmar would be lynched and not your top scumread? That‘s a lie because it wouldn‘t have tied. You should be asking mz that not me. Mz stayed on his top scum read who was palmar. You screeched for 12 hours about how no one is not lynching jealous but for two straight phases have directly saved jealous with moving your own vote. Please explain should i explain it for you? because even I understand that. you pushed us do vote on cc!! the second time he changed his vote on you. we both felt bad about cc and what you did do her in this game. a vote on dp is a sign of respect for CC
I never signed up for this.
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On March 18 2024 12:06 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:05 Vivax wrote:I think it‘s posturing. If anyone votes outside these three after this lynch then we can agree the game was rigged. I am just sorry for grack he will get so much shit from dp for that gif
Honestly think this whole narrative is stupid. Most penguins are dark. Adding "dark" to it doesn't really make sense in context, and we have two players whose names start with a "P" in the game.
Starting to think there must be something in the water in Austria, and frankly I'm envious of all the free acid y'all must be getting.
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On March 18 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:
An unholy alliance you have there with those two jealous.
Doesn't feel like an alliance to me 😂
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On March 18 2024 12:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:25 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 12:06 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 12:05 Vivax wrote:I think it‘s posturing. If anyone votes outside these three after this lynch then we can agree the game was rigged. I am just sorry for grack he will get so much shit from dp for that gif Honestly think this whole narrative is stupid. Most penguins are dark. Adding "dark" to it doesn't really make sense in context, and we have two players whose names start with a "P" in the game. Starting to think there must be something in the water in Austria, and frankly I'm envious of all the free acid y'all must be getting. the freshly melted water of the melting gletscher is delicious and refreshingly chalky, may my plant based smoking sticks give me great visibility
Fuck my life man 👨
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On March 18 2024 12:37 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:36 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:
An unholy alliance you have there with those two jealous.
Doesn't feel like an alliance to me 😂 has discord crashed or why are you communicating with each other here?
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
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On March 18 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:
An unholy alliance you have there with those two jealous.
Friendly reminder that you told me I have to drop the DMB case.
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On March 18 2024 12:37 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:36 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:
An unholy alliance you have there with those two jealous.
Doesn't feel like an alliance to me 😂 has discord crashed or why are you communicating with each other here?
I guess the whole "Jealous is town because of that one game" is out the window now.
Now it's "Jealous masoned DP when they already had a Discord chat together and then invested several hundred lines of chat into it to not look scummy, Jealous bussed both Oats and DP, the latter instead of saving himself, and DP bussed + NK'd TTS."
This is the worldview you are pushing. I honestly can't fathom this level of logic.
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On March 18 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 12:47 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 12:37 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 12:36 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 12:26 DarthPunk wrote:
An unholy alliance you have there with those two jealous.
Doesn't feel like an alliance to me 😂 has discord crashed or why are you communicating with each other here? I guess the whole "Jealous is town because of that one game" is out the window now. Now it's "Jealous masoned DP when they already had a Discord chat together and then invested several hundred lines of chat into it to not look scummy, Jealous bussed both Oats and DP, the latter instead of saving himself, and DP bussed + NK'd TTS." This is the worldview you are pushing. I honestly can't fathom this level of logic. Its too fucking absurd to be real. But here we are.
Biggest balls on the planet if DMB is scum and makes it so clear tbh. How do you flip your read within an hour like this against the person who voted with you? It'd basically be scum telegraphing their plan and doing a victory lap before the race is even over.
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Not going to describe the alternative where DMB is town and doing this because the implications are clear.
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On March 19 2024 10:31 Rels wrote:
Dmb attitude makes perfect sense as scum. She thought Palmar was town before the lunch, but for some reason the flip makes me/dp scum all of sudden. It doesn't make sense, it shouldn't have been a surprise. She's capitalizing on the loss of town cred
I'm voting DMB tomorrow.
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Name two people who spent most of the last day cycle saying that DMB isn't on the table and is beyond judgment/analysis. Only for DMB to be AFK for most of it and then go absolutely crazy just before and after flip.
You know who it is.
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That was the worst NK scum could have done IMO.
I was so sure that Vivax was either scum or a complete moron. Literally 50/50. It was in my pre-lynch post for yesterday.
This makes things way, way easier.
##Vote: die_meatbaby
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On March 19 2024 11:02 die_meatbaby wrote:
what how the fuck
Read the OP. One of scum is a body guard.
How many dumbtells per game are you permitted? I think we have exceeded the quota a few days ago.
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Here is what I had saved, might as well share it now:
Written before last hour vote movement:
1. Don't trust Vivax. Look at his track record. He is either scum or an idiot. Here is some egg for your face, Vivax: 🍳
PS: if you are town, fuck you for being such an insufferable shit to me for so many IRL days in a row over so many posts. My case and posts against CopCake were nothing compared to the abuse and misrep you dished out. Seriously. If you are scum, a begrudgingly delivered "gg wp" to you.
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On March 19 2024 11:09 DarthPunk wrote:
I think mafia are double bussing here.
It makes sense to bus like this at mylo imo.
I knew this is what it would look like as soon as DMB voted on me and basically at this point I'm praying she is scum because if she is town this will be the dumbest possible thing we both could have done.
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What has DMB actually done in this game that wasn't just CopCake 2.0?
To be fair, getting my old games and finding one that matched yesterday's pressure took work. Played me and my position like a fiddle so that both me and wild!Vivax both voted DP with her (at least temporarily). Then immediately called both me and DP scum right after the flip, knowing that I'm the most likely follow-up wagon to a Palmar lynch anyway. Let's not repeat the VE incident.
We were right to policy lynch dumbtells/bad play. We were just wrong about which one.
In your heart of hearts you know it to be true.
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On March 19 2024 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax will fucking shit a brick if we don't lynch jealous again lmao.
People get the QT links after they are lynched or NK'd, right? So he already knows he was wrong. I can just imagine the shit he is saying to justify himself there right now.
It's a shame we won't get to see it in real time.
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On March 19 2024 11:20 DarthPunk wrote:I think he has DMB/DP/???
I am more sure of DMB than I am of you, but basically yes. Vivax would have been my 3rd. You both defended DMB from even being discussed for like 95% of the last cycle. You both have pushed exclusively town vs. town wagons for days. Either you're both terrible at this, one of you is scum, or both. That was my thinking.
Kind of along my inverse world logic, I'm now thinking that it might be someone in iamp/JAT. Stay sober, don't post dumb shit, sound smart, don't get lynched. That has been enough for this game. It's a solid strategy for mafia.
MZ had no reason to stick out like a sore thumb by defending me yesterday and voting Palmar if they aren't pocketing me. If they thought I would get lynched, which I was until just about the very end, in theory it would have given them town cred to some extent. So as much as I appreciated it, it's not entirely off the table at this point.
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On March 19 2024 11:23 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 11:22 Jealous wrote:On March 19 2024 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax will fucking shit a brick if we don't lynch jealous again lmao. People get the QT links after they are lynched or NK'd, right? So he already knows he was wrong. I can just imagine the shit he is saying to justify himself there right now. It's a shame we won't get to see it in real time. what do you mean he just gets the obs.
Ah damn Guess they don't know alignments there, then. Been so long since I've been in one that I've forgotten.
Oh well. I know the crippling uncertanlinty I would feel would never hit him at this point. So he will probably just make himself look like more of a fool there in the long run. Looking forward to catching up on that. Acceptable alternative.
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On March 19 2024 11:41 iamperfection wrote:
one question though DP.
What hell was she doing yesterday if they both aren't scum.
like lets say for argument sake jealous is town.
I'm about as perplexed as you are fwiw. The 180 after the lynch gave me whiplash so bad that I can't help but believe I was basically used to lynch Palmar over me.
Maybe it would be too painfully obvious but maybe Palmar was presenting scum with a bigger issue than I was?
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On March 19 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:
how does yesterday make sense as town!dmb?
Not doing myself any favors here but I know the answer.
It makes sense for town!DMB because anyalignment!DMB doesn't make sense.
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On March 20 2024 01:08 justanothertownie wrote:
So, mafia is clearly bussing if she is scum. But I guess that can be expected.
Yea, it feels like it was almost too easy, right? Got me paranoid af.
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+ Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Day Three Vote Count
VisceraEyes(7): Rels, justanothertownie , Koshi, Palmar, Vivax, iamperfection, Meapak_Ziphh, DarthPunk, Vivax, VisceraEyes, die_meatbaby, Vivax, iamperfection
CopCake (6): Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, Vivax, die_meatbaby, VisceraEyes, CopCake, JacobStrangelove, DarthPunk, iamperfection, CopCake, die_meatbaby, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Vivax, Vivax
Palmar (0): VisceraEyes, CopCake
Jealous (0): Vivax
DarthPunk (0): Vivax
With 7 votes, VisceraEyesis lynched!
Day Four Vote Count
CopCake (6): Rels, Jealous, DarthPunk, CopCake, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, die_meatbaby, Vivax
Jealous (4): Vivax, Vivax, justanothertownie, Vivax, Vivax, DarthPunk, iamperfection, Palmar, Koshi, die_meatbaby, Rels
Palmar (1): Koshi, iamperfection, Vivax, CopCake, Meapak_Ziphh, Rels, Vivax, Koshi
Rels (0): die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Palmar, DarthPunk
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Palmar, Koshi, DarthPunk, Vivax
Koshi (0): CopCake
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Vivax
With 6 votes, CopCake has been lynched!
Day Five Vote Count
Palmar (4): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, DarthPunk
Jealous (3): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Vivax
DarthPunk (2) : die_meatbaby, Jealous, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
[blue]With 4 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Iamp was the last or second-to-last vote on 3 of the last 4 wagons that either lynched or almost lynched town, notably once over lynching Oats. Could this be mafia saving their vote for the end to have the most potential impact?
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On March 20 2024 03:16 iamperfection wrote:
So are you saying my vote on day 4 or 5 mattered?
If you stayed on me for both days, I would have been lynched I am pretty sure lol
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On March 20 2024 03:34 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 03:32 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 03:16 iamperfection wrote:
So are you saying my vote on day 4 or 5 mattered? If you stayed on me for both days, I would have been lynched I am pretty sure lol ? Are you forgetting something?
Wanna help me out?
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On March 20 2024 04:13 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 04:09 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 03:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 03:32 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 03:16 iamperfection wrote:
So are you saying my vote on day 4 or 5 mattered? If you stayed on me for both days, I would have been lynched I am pretty sure lol ? Are you forgetting something? Wanna help me out? If your supposedly town why would my hopping around matter and be scum motivated.
Mafia trying to make me look scummy, "oh look iamp is saving Jealous, we should lynch Jealous next" thus a ML thus town loses.
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On March 20 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 04:20 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 04:13 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 04:09 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 03:34 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 03:32 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 03:16 iamperfection wrote:
So are you saying my vote on day 4 or 5 mattered? If you stayed on me for both days, I would have been lynched I am pretty sure lol ? Are you forgetting something? Wanna help me out? If your supposedly town why would my hopping around matter and be scum motivated. Mafia trying to make me look scummy, "oh look iamp is saving Jealous, we should lynch Jealous next" thus a ML thus town loses. So in your world scum iamp goes out of his way to save you just to setup a ML after 2 cycles. Maybe you should actually read my filter and attempt to make a case on me then and address all the points I made to palmar that he didnt read. In my world scum don't really think like that and are fine with lynches that aren't them or their teammates for the most part. In Mylo like now bussing becomes more common as it's time to try and win.
I'm just tryin' to find anything, basically. This DMB lynch came together way too easily. Like, are they objectively the scummiest player in the game? Yes. But wouldn't scum be completely content with a ML win here and just sit back and do nothing? So, I try to find anything to unravel and discuss, otherwise we'll be sitting here twiddling our thumbs for the next 30 hours.
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You've also been one of the players I've TR'd basically all game so keeping me in the game over wildcards like CopCake would make sense, or more respected players like Palmar.
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On March 20 2024 04:39 die_meatbaby wrote:##Unvote J
##Vote DPThe game is over anyway. Mafia is bussing the last weak town. The rest of Town doesn´t see that DP and Rels are scum togther. Maybe I was wrong with j maybe not. I am stil sure its either Dp/Rels/J or DP/Rels/JAT Whatever, I don´t want to discuss here anymore how this scum just kills strong town in the night and mafia make wagons on weak Town as they did already on VE, CC and now of course me. I am happy that I found out who is the main scum and thats what matter for me. I can not change the lynch and I don´t want to invest more energy in this game anymore We would have to make 3 correct lynchs, but that will not happen anyway. I can not get trough this with this kind of Townplayers who are left. And I dare you do never call me bad Town in the next game again if I was the first one realising that Rels/DP are scum togther and no one accept vivax believed me. Never ever are you guys allowed to call me fucking bad Town in any future game because I did not play any bad in this game, just this Townplayers are all so fucking noobs that I can´t believe that this is actually real. This lynchs seems more like the Putin election 2024 Please tick the box of your choice [ ]Wladimir Putin [ ] Putin Wladmir [x] I want to go to prison or/and die Lynch votes in this game Pls Vote: [ ] Town [ ] Town [x] scum but no body will vote and you get lynced next
I mean, the reason you are being lynched is because you are objectively playing bad town, in other words scummy... That doesn't change if one of your reads was right.
Friendly reminder that you voted to lynch CopCake twice yourself, too.
Furthermore, DP protected you from even being discussed yesterday. You seemed to be quite content to do absolutely nothing for most of the day until the last few hours after that. What do you make of that?
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On March 20 2024 04:48 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 04:40 Jealous wrote:
You've also been one of the players I've TR'd basically all game so keeping me in the game over wildcards like CopCake would make sense, or more respected players like Palmar. I didn´t vote on you because I am sure that dp is trying to push two Town wagons up for lynch and thats the reason why we are here, still left with 3 scums and so less Town. With this behavier and blindness I will not try to lead this Town-moles to the daylight they want. I am not able to go in war with Rels and DP alone. They turning my words around and I am just happy about myself for at least knowing better who is scum then you guys, who are all playing here since at least on decade...
"I didn´t vote on you because I am sure that dp is trying to push two Town wagons up for lynch"
Then why did you call me scum right after the Palmar flip?
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On March 20 2024 05:33 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:21 justanothertownie wrote:
DMB, can you please explain to me why you think Rels is mafia. Just pretend I was some outside spectator who did not read a single page of this game. Look at the voting filter. He always voted the right person, his filter is perfect. Am I fucking wrong to get paranoid about such a perfect filter. If you are town you just fucking write you opinion and there is always a wrong thougt and a wrong vote included as Town. The filter was to perfect to be Town. Reading the filter is like talking to a clairvoyant. Then the thread got attention to his TMI Filter so he voted on Town Palmar to not look like a oracle of delphi anymore.
I quoted a post where he was clearly wrong on several people in his reads, and he was wrong more. I suspect you didn't read past Day 1 in his filter otherwise this could not possibly be your argument for why Rels is scum.
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On March 20 2024 06:18 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:41 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. And do you think he may have slipped here too? How is this one a slip? To your other point - I also found that a bit weird. I would only breathe a sigh of relief if I'm town. Therefore he knows I'm town.
You'd breathe a sigh of relief as either alignment because that makes your decision more likely to come from town than from scum (because it'd be fucking stupid as scum) and thus less of a reason to suspect/lynch you regardless of your alignment.
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Honestly at some points I think that you and CopCake would both have benefited from a translator and/or Grammarly that CopCake said they used before.
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On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me.
When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS.
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On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time.
But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok.
Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too.
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On March 20 2024 06:56 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too. wtf It´s not mandarin or arabic I use the same keyboard with the same order of letters to write german or english. I am learning with the same keyboard italien. I don´t need to change any settings for that. I don´t turn anything of or on at the keyboard. We use the same 26 letters of the alphabet +äöü
How do you create äöü?
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On March 20 2024 06:58 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too. wtf It´s not mandarin or arabic I use the same keyboard with the same order of letters to write german or english. I am learning with the same keyboard italien. I don´t need to change any settings for that. I don´t turn anything of or on at the keyboard. We use the same 26 letters of the alphabet +äöü are you trying to make a case on me for switching in my motherlanguage when I am getting so pissed?
I'm making the case that it feels like an act, yes.
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On March 20 2024 07:02 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:59 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too. wtf It´s not mandarin or arabic I use the same keyboard with the same order of letters to write german or english. I am learning with the same keyboard italien. I don´t need to change any settings for that. I don´t turn anything of or on at the keyboard. We use the same 26 letters of the alphabet +äöü How do you create äöü? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Deutsche_Tastatur_(wireless).pngthats how me keyboard looks like it´s on the side
On March 20 2024 07:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:59 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:56 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:51 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:47 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:43 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:40 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 06:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 06:33 justanothertownie wrote:
Thats amazing. Doesnt matter if real or fake. Why is that amazing? Because it is really funny to me to imagine someone being so mad that individual sentences are written in a different language. And if you just made that up its still almost as funny. It is so alien to me. When I stub my toe I still curse in Russian so I guess it makes sense to some extent, but I feel like with a keyboard in the way and having to switch languages in order to make it happen, it just feels unnatural tbh. I would never be so mad that I don't notice that I switched languages, because that is a highly intentional thing to do on a keyboard or phone. I call BS. I really didn´t think so much about the language at this moment. I just wrote aggressively my thougths about this stupid town with this non sense voting shitshow and maybe switched in both languages. I am used to switch fast language, because I talk to my work colleagues and some guests english as well, but as we speak here german and with have german speaking guests as well, I have to switch fast all the time. But you don't use a keyboard for that though, for a keyboard you have to either press a certain specific key combination in order to achieve or use your mouse to do manually in your OS, so you were calm enough to turn German on and then off again with a very specific and accuracy-dependent method, but mad enough to write in German? Ok. Btw writing and speaking utilize some different parts of the brain so making the argument that because you switch in your daily speaking life is not a great one for that reason, too. wtf It´s not mandarin or arabic I use the same keyboard with the same order of letters to write german or english. I am learning with the same keyboard italien. I don´t need to change any settings for that. I don´t turn anything of or on at the keyboard. We use the same 26 letters of the alphabet +äöü How do you create äöü? They are normal keys on a german keyboard. No effort necessary.
Okay, then it is more understandable, didn't realize that was a thing but makes sense.
Pretending to not notice and then post the translation is kinda still not, but whatever. Gonna drop it.
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On March 20 2024 07:10 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:08 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:05 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:03 die_meatbaby wrote:
Is this here a serious question with the keyboard I think jealous is serious. This line of questioning is not very productive though. yeah and you are voting me instead of the one who want to make a case on me because of my german keyboard thats even worse then palmar who made a case on me by counting how often I used the word fuck Fair. Not why I am voting you though. I'll say it again. He wants to make a case on me because of my keyboard. What have I done thats worse then that?
Слишком много вещей чтобы перечислить тут.
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On March 20 2024 07:12 iamperfection wrote:
Hey, it's a site rule don't make me get my beating stick
I'm so mad though!
"Too many things to list here."
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Only possible explanations I can come up with for this change of direction:
1. Y'all actually think I'm more likely to flip scum than the scummiest player in the game.
2. Y'all actually think I could be on a team with DMB.
I find both of these highly implausible so y'all must be scum tbh.
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On March 20 2024 07:34 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:33 DarthPunk wrote:
I’m jumping on the pc to explain why. be aware writing on a non american keyboard is scummy
I didn't mean an actual physical keyboard obviously. I meant going through the process of switching languages on the same device. I didn't know those German keyboards looked like that where you could legitimately type in both languages without changing input methods.
Still, super unlikely to be unintentional.
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[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:17 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day?[/QUOTE]
because of his voting switch
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE] There was no logical reason that he swapped his vote on Dp with me. Thinking of his situation it would be better to stick on Palmar and save himself... But it would make more sense to have the vote on dp so that not all 3 scum a voting the same person.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah thats what I was thought and still kinda think why he could be scum. I just assume it´s 100 % dp and Rels togther the 3rd person is either him or Jat. But if you all still think of dp and rels as Town. I will just accept my death, the end of the game, that town lost and congratulation on dp and Rels for getting so many Town wagons to a lynch
80 page scum filter amazing but not for dp.[/QUOTE]
I mean, this is just incredible. What stronger case could I possibly make? Never gild the lily.
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On March 20 2024 07:52 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 05:17 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:12 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 05:09 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day? because of his voting switch On March 20 2024 05:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
There was no logical reason that he swapped his vote on Dp with me. Thinking of his situation it would be better to stick on Palmar and save himself... But it would make more sense to have the vote on dp so that not all 3 scum a voting the same person. I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation. Yeah thats what I was thought and still kinda think why he could be scum. I just assume it´s 100 % dp and Rels togther the 3rd person is either him or Jat. But if you all still think of dp and rels as Town. I will just accept my death, the end of the game, that town lost and congratulation on dp and Rels for getting so many Town wagons to a lynch 80 page scum filter amazing but not for dp. I mean, this is just incredible. What stronger case could I possibly make? Never gild the lily.
Fixed the BBCode.
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On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying.
Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly?
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On March 20 2024 08:06 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:02 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. What convinced you about DMB's defense then? Explain it to me. I think she is legitimately mad. Now that does not mean she is town of course. Her read progression for everything except her scumread on you is terrible. I think it is worth it to put Jealous through this too though and see how people react, especially since I am not the biggest fan of his contributions today. Your reaction has been duly noted.
I'm tapped out, man. After like 3+ IRL days of being hounded and misrepped by Vivax nonstop, doing several filter dives and analyses, several list posts... If I am still the lynch target after all of that and DMB's non sequitur outbursts are NAI, then it simply ain't worth it. I think I've been through enough.
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On March 20 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly?
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On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date?
Here's a possible DMB x JAT x iamp case:
JAT x iamp:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. On March 05 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. ^ That would make sense. On March 07 2024 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel. On March 08 2024 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point. Such smart On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip.
^ This is just from the first two days and they are practically blowing each other. I'm gonna keep digging to see if there are any discrepancies but to my recollection it was never like they filtered one another or anything.
Then there is the fact that they just both happened to switch to me and then say "ah yea won't be around much tomorrow btw." Like, yea, plausible, but could easily be a coordinated push that only appears whimsical. They also seemed to just give DMB a free pass way too often this game. Combine that with this:
On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town
Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Slam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Jacob
Scum:
VE
DMB
CopCake
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So this is Oats' updated "read list." We know he was bussing DMB hard if it's scumgoon!DMB, which I think would make the most sense to be honest, as it would paint him in a really good light when she flips red, let him survive one day longer at minimum as framer.
This would then make his town "reads" of JAT/iamp have a lot of value, and putting them with other confirmed town would give them good insulation. Let's not forget who voted for VE over Oats:
+ Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Hint: It's iamp.
Both of them were on TTS at one point. Iamp was moving his vote almost as much as Oats was. Iamp was on three different townies' wagons on the day of a red flip, and stuck to it in the end.
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On March 20 2024 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date? Here's a possible DMB x JAT x iamp case: JAT x iamp: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. On March 05 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. ^ That would make sense. On March 07 2024 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel. On March 08 2024 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point. Such smart On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. ^ This is just from the first two days and they are practically blowing each other. I'm gonna keep digging to see if there are any discrepancies but to my recollection it was never like they filtered one another or anything. Then there is the fact that they just both happened to switch to me and then say "ah yea won't be around much tomorrow btw." Like, yea, plausible, but could easily be a coordinated push that only appears whimsical. They also seemed to just give DMB a free pass way too often this game. Combine that with this: On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Town:KoshiIamperfection RaynPalmarVivaxJAT SlamNA:DarthPunk sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
JealousMeapak_Ziphh HapahauliToTheStarsRels JacobScum:VEDMB CopCake--- So this is Oats' updated "read list." We know he was bussing DMB hard if it's scumgoon!DMB, which I think would make the most sense to be honest, as it would paint him in a really good light when she flips red, let him survive one day longer at minimum as framer. This would then make his town "reads" of JAT/iamp have a lot of value, and putting them with other confirmed town would give them good insulation. Let's not forget who voted for VE over Oats: + Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Hint: It's iamp. Both of them were on TTS at one point. Iamp was moving his vote almost as much as Oats was. Iamp was on three different townies' wagons on the day of a red flip, and stuck to it in the end. Is this what you actually consider most likely here?
Game is hard.
It's one of the potential teams that I think is plausible. Don't think there is another duo that has remained so supportive and unquestioning of each other in the game to be honest.
A DMB x You x someone team is also possible. After all, you did tell me that she was unassailable for an entire day cycle. You did survive a situation where you were at 3 votes and no one jumped on your wagon, and from my POV it was 3-3-3 TvTv?. You were the final jump to Palmar, possibly because jumping to me would make you look suspicious when I flip town while I was voting you, possibly because you thought I was more firmly in your pocket despite voting you.
I guess since JAT didn't answer my question for some reason, I'll ask you:
On March 20 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly?
I know that JAT's point was going against yours in this case, so if it makes more sense to you, try to construct a different DMB team. What do you think that hypothetical team is doing?
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On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia.
Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again?
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On March 20 2024 09:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:33 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 09:23 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 09:20 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:28 DarthPunk wrote:
Jealous have you got a POE of 3 scum reads that is up to date? Here's a possible DMB x JAT x iamp case: JAT x iamp: + Show Spoiler +On March 05 2024 05:57 justanothertownie wrote:
I think I like the direction that seems to have formed of Iamp, Rayn, marv and to a lesser degree sandro as a council of sorts. I had at least 3-4 moments in the early pages where Iamp posted exactly what I was thinking at the time. Rayn seems reasonable so far (but him masoning marv is probably something he does as either alignment) and I agree that marv masoning sandro is a move that is more likely to come from town.
Would still prefer if people used the thread to communicate even though it would make catching up even harder. On March 05 2024 07:56 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:51 iamperfection wrote:On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote:
Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia? Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that. ^ That would make sense. On March 07 2024 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:22 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:21 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:20 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 03:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 07 2024 03:12 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:37 CopCake wrote:
So my theory is that Tfrel got lynched because mafia big boys are scared of him. He got lynched because of his end of day posts.I was about to swap to JAT and he basically claimed mafia ITT O_o Who are the mafia big boys who lynched Trfel though? My filter is there. Why are you asking me this? Because I thought you might enlighten me without me having to go to your filter. DP obviously. Who else? Iamp, Vivax, Palmar Ok. Vivax and Iamp pushed that for sure - I just don't think they are very likely to be mafia. Palmar was happy to sit on me through the whole thing. I don't remember him pushing Trfel. On March 08 2024 00:46 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 00:35 iamperfection wrote:On March 08 2024 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 00:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:14 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:09 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 00:07 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 23:58 Jealous wrote:[quote] Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list:2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree " So we have: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Scum:
Meapak_Ziphh
Jealous [?]*
Jacob
VE
DMB
CopCakeAlso: "I do agree that either both [ rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town." @Oatsmaster: Is this updated reads list of yours accurate? What would you change and why? Jacob is town, cop is town, tothestars is mafia. You are null, jat is mafia Updated list: Town:
Koshi
Iamperfection
Palmar
Vivax
JAT
Jacob
CopCake
Alakaslam
NA:
DarthPunk
marvellosity
ToTheStars
Rels
Jealous
Scum:
JAT
Meapak_Ziphh
Jacob
ToTheStars
VE
DMB
CopCakeCan you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate. On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
How did you get jat is town from my filter From this, quoted above in response to the original list: Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one. 1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town? I really don’t like the way he was absolving himself of responsibility on day 1 and sheeping marv wholesale while claiming marv wasn’t a townread for him. Today hes said twice now about the check possibly being altered but he’s seems to have said it just to say it without fully considering what the options are There are no options, Oats. If you are town you have been very unfortunate. Or slam is mafia, which I think is very unlikely. In each case, the correct play is always to lynch you today. The correct play is to lynch mafia. The man makes a good point. Such smart On March 07 2024 02:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Trfel (11): iamperfection, Alakaslam, Justanothertownie, marvellosity, Koshi, VisceraEyes, Vivax, Jealous, DarthPunk, JacobStrangelove, sandroba
I think this wagon is overall quite towny (both claimants, marv, koshi, iamp, sandro). The only player that really seems suspicious at first glance is VE. There is probably someone else hiding in here but the people on my wagon look markedly worse on average. Which makes sense since they would probably rather be on the townie that doesn't immediately flip. ^ This is just from the first two days and they are practically blowing each other. I'm gonna keep digging to see if there are any discrepancies but to my recollection it was never like they filtered one another or anything. Then there is the fact that they just both happened to switch to me and then say "ah yea won't be around much tomorrow btw." Like, yea, plausible, but could easily be a coordinated push that only appears whimsical. They also seemed to just give DMB a free pass way too often this game. Combine that with this: On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Jacob more null slam town Town:KoshiIamperfection RaynPalmarVivaxJAT SlamNA:DarthPunk sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
JealousMeapak_Ziphh HapahauliToTheStarsRels JacobScum:VEDMB CopCake--- So this is Oats' updated "read list." We know he was bussing DMB hard if it's scumgoon!DMB, which I think would make the most sense to be honest, as it would paint him in a really good light when she flips red, let him survive one day longer at minimum as framer. This would then make his town "reads" of JAT/iamp have a lot of value, and putting them with other confirmed town would give them good insulation. Let's not forget who voted for VE over Oats: + Show Spoiler +Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Hint: It's iamp. Both of them were on TTS at one point. Iamp was moving his vote almost as much as Oats was. Iamp was on three different townies' wagons on the day of a red flip, and stuck to it in the end. Is this what you actually consider most likely here? Game is hard. It's one of the potential teams that I think is plausible. Don't think there is another duo that has remained so supportive and unquestioning of each other in the game to be honest. A DMB x You x someone team is also possible. After all, you did tell me that she was unassailable for an entire day cycle. You did survive a situation where you were at 3 votes and no one jumped on your wagon, and from my POV it was 3-3-3 TvTv?. You were the final jump to Palmar, possibly because jumping to me would make you look suspicious when I flip town while I was voting you, possibly because you thought I was more firmly in your pocket despite voting you. I guess since JAT didn't answer my question for some reason, I'll ask you: On March 20 2024 08:03 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Then only thing that DMB's defense has done is make me think that maybe jealous is town over someone like Jat, who should be a better analyst than he is being here. Okay dude. If these 2 are both mafia I have been correct for a few days while you lynched several townies. Just saying. Just out of curiosity, in this hypothetical scum team, are DMB, myself, and another likely sane person coordinating all of this madness, or are we just letting DMB do DMB things and trying to react accordingly? I know that JAT's point was going against yours in this case, so if it makes more sense to you, try to construct a different DMB team. What do you think that hypothetical team is doing? he did jump to you what do you mean
On March 18 2024 10:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Five Vote Count
Palmar (4): Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, Jealous, DarthPunk, iamperfection, DarthPunk
Jealous (3): Justanothertownie, DarthPunk, Vivax, Palmar, iamperfection, die_meatbaby, DarthPunk, Vivax
DarthPunk (2) : die_meatbaby, Jealous, Vivax
Meapak_Ziphh (0): Jealous
With 4 votes, Palmar is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Monday, Mar 18 2:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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On March 20 2024 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia. Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again? Its the self meta analysis, which i am vouching for.
Doesn't mean much to me tbh. Seems more like he casts aspersions against a bunch of town, throws a soft scum read at JAT/MZ, and then parks on town!Palmar in the end anyway.
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On March 20 2024 09:46 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia. Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again? why do you keep on implying wrong = mafia
Misrep. I'm not implying that wrong = mafia, that's obvious, because I was wrong on CopCake, to a less-committed extent VE, and more recently Palmar. I'm trying to understand how it makes you town, though, which it doesn't.
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On March 20 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:46 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 09:43 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2024 09:42 Jealous wrote:On March 14 2024 11:38 iamperfection wrote:A lot of things have bothered me today. CopCake makes a case on Koshi and then just almost instantly drops it just because JAT says thats how Koshi plays and then votes Palmar. Why does cop just accept as true it confuses me. Meapak_Ziphh comes back after 19 hours says hes too tired to be bothered to do anything but he has found scum? and is somehow not voting???? I keep hearing this idiotic comment that marv said Palmar is 90% likely to be town. I get it you guys all worship marv but his word isnt gospel and he very well would probably be saying different things if he was still alive its day 4 now marv died in night 2. Palmar really bothers me. He calls me scum because i have just been around not doing anything?? Like i said earlier you can say a lot of things about me but not engaged and not in the thick of things is certainly not one of them. I exposed the mason circle and tried to get reads from it. I correctly deduced that Rayn had to be town from the way he used it and almost immediately tried to make him mayor for it. Right or wrong i was screaming at the top of my longs to lynch tryfel it was wrong but so what. I have constantly been directing and calling out actions. I literally hammered VE in a quest for personal glory it backfired so what. To say i have been just around is objectively wrong. Now Palmar says he dosnt really read the thread that he just shows hes around interacts and develops reads. I dont really feel like has done that all in this game. I think if anyone with a quarter of a brain which ill grant Palmar he has a quarter of a brain could easily use meta to see i am town. This would be by FAR the largest filter i have ever had as mafia. I would also say i am much less emotional as mafia and much more reserved. My style as town requires me to post a ton and usually in quick succession. Thats why i will have mind melds which happened earlier with marv where we said the same thing. As mafia that is extremely hard for me to replicate. At least for a long period. Also as mafia its very hard for me to long posts like this were i have to fake my thoughts i just have hard time to do it. So those long list posts and posts were i collect my thoughts like i had earlier and this one quite frankly are hard for me to do. I dont think Palmar is trying figure out my alignment because he is being bad or more likely just mafia. Now do i think JAT could possibly be mafia. Yes its possible he had a post earlier where he almost knew that Koshi was mafia. {but iamperfection you said earlier that Koshi is likely town) well first of all stfu second there is a diffrence between knowing and thinking. On March 14 2024 04:32 justanothertownie wrote:On March 14 2024 04:30 iamperfection wrote:On March 14 2024 04:28 Koshi wrote:On March 12 2024 12:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Man what the fuck.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the CopCake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point. What a town hero does. Analyse. I kind of disagree. Feel like he just summed up what happened and listed every scenario. I don't think it's super town post. You won't convince him. At this point Koshi is not reading MZs posts critically anymore. not the biggest thing but the post bothers me. He also seems a bit apathetic to what is going on. So yes i think its possible. MZ's comeback post also bothers me and the fact that he isnt voting despite finding scum On March 14 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask. However in my eyes Palmar is the most likely mafia. Can someone make a bulletpoint explanation for why this makes iamp town again? Its the self meta analysis, which i am vouching for. Doesn't mean much to me tbh. Seems more like he casts aspersions against a bunch of town, throws a soft scum read at JAT/MZ, and then parks on town!Palmar in the end anyway. wtf then you are mafia
Alright, good talk.
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On March 20 2024 09:52 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 09:44 DarthPunk wrote:
There is a bit of a dichotomy between DMB calling herself 'bad town' and also thinking we are all noobs and she is the only one to nail the scum team. I just accept my death as Town dmb who can´t defend myself because of my bad filter because I don´t give a fuck if something looks scummy when I write. And I am just so sure who is mafia because there are almost no other options left anymore. I found out earlier in the game than most of the others, that makes me proud of myself even when we see tomorrow that only 2 of 3 reads are correct, I am still happy. I told this since days why I think it´s you and also told why I am thinking that the oracle is mafia. Nobody cared, nobody listen so why should I invest time again and make again the reads. Also I kinda want to read the obs. Because you killed all the nice people and I have to stay here with you-.-
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On March 20 2024 11:27 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 06:21 Jealous wrote:On March 20 2024 06:18 iamperfection wrote:On March 20 2024 05:48 justanothertownie wrote:On March 20 2024 05:41 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 11:07 Jealous wrote:On March 15 2024 11:05 iamperfection wrote:
so it was tvt. So i still cant wrap around a scum rels doing that at the end right near the hammer. ^ Person who breathed the biggest sigh of relief in the room IMO. And do you think he may have slipped here too? How is this one a slip? To your other point - I also found that a bit weird. I would only breathe a sigh of relief if I'm town. Therefore he knows I'm town. You'd breathe a sigh of relief as either alignment because that makes your decision more likely to come from town than from scum (because it'd be fucking stupid as scum) and thus less of a reason to suspect/lynch you regardless of your alignment. Really weird logic there to justify the joke, so maybe good point in retrospect by iamperfection. The joke was fine IMO, but this new explanation doesn't make sense. If iamperfection is scum, he would know already that he'll gain that towncred sooner or later
I said the same thing immediately after too, I'm not sure how this could be interpreted as a joke without that context. How did you interpret it?
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On March 20 2024 11:19 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2024 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I reread the night post and beyond as best I could but I'm not really seeing anything that directly addresses my question, since Palmar was town, why does DMB do what she did?
I'm not gonna argue she looks absolutely terrible yesterday, but it's mylo so I want to be certain of my vote when I place it. Rels please address why scum DMB does what she did when town Palmar was available for her to vote for and probably not end up in the spotlight the same way she is right now. Also does vivax flip change any of how you're reading?
I'm going to feel like I've committed a deep wound to my honor if I don't sheep Vivax like i said I would, especially after he died and isn't here to lead that lynch. Is the question, why didn't she push Palmar? My guess is that it was a play together with Jealous to appear like partners not really wanting to push each other. If that's true, that was really beautifully played
I was literally told by DP and Vivax that I basically am not allowed to push DMB. I've jumped through all y'all little hoops and still get scumread for it. Nice set-up.
Questions we should be asking ourselves are "Why was Palmar lynched over Jealous and DP?" I have the fortune of knowing it was TvTv? so it raises the question "was Palmar's death more valuable or viable to scum than DP's and why?"
With a 3-3-3 split and knowing that 2 town were on DP in myself and Vivax, if makes me wonder why just one more scum didn't want to make the switch. It would have been either TTSS or TTTS on DP (because DMB, while scummy af, is still officially a question mark). That means that even if DP flipped town and town decided to lynch everyone on the DP wagon in any order, it would be a guaranteed scum victory. However, scum wouldn't want to hammer DP in several circumstances which I'll explore tomorrow after I get some sleep and am not on my phone posting because i can't see both threads at once, but suffice to say there are a few scenarios and I think the ones where DMB is scum are more likely, but there is an argument for DP scum, too. For example, in some situations it would take two or three scum to hammer DP, but that would be too suspicious after Vivax made it 4-3-2, and that would be impossible if DMB was scum on DP in the first place and two of the scum were on me + Vivax
Anyway, I'll try to map it out tomorrow.
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and that would be impossible if DMB was scum on DP in the first place and two of the scum + Vivax* were on me.
^ EBWOP for clarity.
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Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow.
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On March 20 2024 20:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 15:48 Jealous wrote:
Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow. I think it is way more telling that there was 0 mafia on you in the end. They were all either on dp or palmar.
I am basically a guaranteed ML at this point after getting pushed for several days and scum lynching the people who SR me, so I think being spread or concentrated on one of the more prime lynches makes as much sense from an objective POV. But, assuming you're town, I can understand the WIFOM.
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On March 20 2024 16:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2024 15:48 Jealous wrote:
Ah see this is why I wanted to wait for tomorrow to compare actual names and not just numbers, because on me were town Vivax and Palmar at EoD, so if DMB and JAT are scum then it would have taken just JAT and one scum on Palmar to lynch town!DP. Still would have been sus af of course but anyway I'll map it out tomorrow. The whole scum team outs themselves doing that.
Exactly, hence "still would have been sus af."
One of the scenarios I was thinking about yesterday was "if all three scum are on a wagon that has four people, then their victory is still highly likely as long as there are viable ML targets [myself and potentially DMB]." For example, Palmar was lynched, but we are trying to lynch two people who were not on that ML wagon. If all 3 scum were on Palmar, lynching outside of this pool is a guaranteed win for scum.
So...
The more I look at the votes from yesterday, I find it very unlikely that DMB and DP can be on the same scum team. DMB has no reason to bus DP here, he was written off as a non-starter by Vivax, I wouldn't have switched if she didn't, neither would have Vivax.
We also know that DMB/Jealous/Vivax can't be a team for obvious reasons, even though the three of us set up the 3-3-3.
I'm going to be analyzing a few possibilities using the following format, so I'll introduce it here.
Names to the left are the lynch wagons. Names to the right are the voters. Green = Town, Yellow/Orange-ish yellow = Unknown, Red = Scum. Underlined = due to be lynched. This is how the game state is to an objective observer as of right now.
Here is how we arrived at 3-3-3 in the first place, just to set the stage:
+ Show Spoiler +^ Wagon on me is forming. ^ DP is the first to come off the wagon.^ And here we are, in 3-3-3.
Because I know that I'm town, I'm going to be using this foundation for analysis instead:
So, this is how the votes went from my POV:
+ Show Spoiler [Jealous POV] +Vivax votes for DP. DP votes for me. Iamp votes for Palmar. DP votes for Palmar. Vivax votes for Jealous.
Vivax' vote is functionally irrelevant and we know he is town now, so I will stop including it in the analysis going forward. What is of note, however, is that it took both iamp and DP to hammer Palmar over me. However, I can only be scum with them if I had previously been hammered by both of them also. In essence, Iamp set it up so that it was 3-3-3 again, and DP drove the nail home. Vivax voted for me, but no one switched. If you think I am scum, wouldn't iamp/DP have to be scum also?
Compare the town pattern, which doesn't make much sense to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
Or this scum pattern, which makes more sense to me:
+ Show Spoiler +
Again, unless DMB was following their instructions and voted DP to spread themselves out and sow chaos, she is unlikely to be part of this team IMO.
So again, why did DP come off my wagon and go to DP? Why would iamp and DP hammer Palmar over me in the 3-3-3? They basically set it up so that no single person switching, from any wagon to any other wagon, would have changed the outcome. That's controlling the wagon. And they do it in a way that seems almost coordinated, throwing some obfuscation in there by DP voting for me first. Could it be to set up an ML victory?
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"However, I can only be scum with them if I had previously been hammered by both of them also."
^ Bussed
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On March 20 2024 03:16 iamperfection wrote:So are you saying my vote on day 4 or 5 mattered?
It provably did.
(Link addition was mine for context)
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On March 18 2024 10:44 iamperfection wrote:
im voting palmar
Absolutely 0 justification.
On March 18 2024 10:50 iamperfection wrote:
whatever everyone can blame me if im wrong about palmar i guess.
Game isnt good for me hapa is right.
"Are you saying my vote in d4/5 mattered?"
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On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum.
So then why were you on me as several other people piled onto me, and only switched off of me when it became this?
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On March 18 2024 10:28 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:07 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 09:55 Vivax wrote:On March 18 2024 09:49 iamperfection wrote:On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote:
I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol. I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now. did you read his old towngame where I posted a link? did you compare that? can you untunnel J for like 10 minutes and finally do something for this town and not working like our rl mayjor??? Compare this this one old game with this now. Tell me I am wrong! Tell me pls why I am wrong? This is basiclly the same how he plays here The only way for me to untunnel the way you‘d like me to is by tunneling DP instead and I‘m not going to start doing that one hour before DL. Grack already told us he‘s scum either way great that means you did not read this old game with a 7 page filter and and the game had only about 90 pages. But okey don´t look up his meta. Sorry I forgot a major can not get his ass to take 10 minutes to read this one game of him. I hope you are right with J. We can not misslynch another town 3 times in raw. I DIDNT PLAY IN THE GAME YOU LINKED do you get nervous now while i am voting on you? nobody is voting with me. So sadly you are still alive until the next lynch. read the thread!
At this point I already posted that I am voting DP, voted DP, and DP had seen it and responded.
So either you all think that DMB does a classic spree of DMB-posting and doesn't realize her wagon is taking off, or we're scum together and for some reason she is just acting like she doesn't see it. I think the latter doesn't make much sense, why even draw attention to it?
In other words, does it seem likely to you that this is a coordinated effort between a scum team that sucked in poor Vivax and somehow led to iamp/DP hammering Palmar? There can't be four mafia.
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^ To everyone who still thinks that I can be scum with DMB, not you iamp, you already addressed this.
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On March 18 2024 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
All you lot are doing by trying to lynch me here is throwing the game because now out of the three of us mafia can pick the townie last minute.
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On March 21 2024 05:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 04:46 iamperfection wrote:
I have the answer jealous. I voted palmar because I thought he was scum. This is the same for me.
So then why were you voting me initially? Why did you switch from me to Palmar when it was 6:3 -> 5:4?
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This just makes sense to me. It's exactly how today has been shaping up.
Lynch Palmar. Make it Jealous vs. DMB the next day and it's an easy W if DMB is town, even though neither is responsible for his ML. Iamp and DP move their votes around to save DP.
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On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.
It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.
It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.
My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.
And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.
I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.
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On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.
Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you?
In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you?
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On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you? I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment.
I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn.
Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement?
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On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.
I'm trying to picture a world where DMB is town and what that would mean about the rest of the game, because the wagon on DMB formed way too easily, and I am apparently the only alternative. Even if DMB flips scum, it seems like I'll be next, and again - that is a guaranteed town loss. So, I'm trying to spitball ideas so that town doesn't lose either today with a potential DMB ML or with mine "tomorrow." Certainly seems like it could be more productive to discuss options and potential teams than it does to just do nothing, like some people suggested. If DMB is town, that would only benefit scum.
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On March 18 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2024 10:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:53 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 18 2024 10:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away. why do you townread dp so strong? why would he shoot TTS? Why would mafia not roleblock him if they know that he as a gun as he claimed it. Why is this gun making him so fucking town and why is he not getting nk when he this much townconfirmed how does that make sense? I scumread Palmar and Jealous and now you tbh. No room in my PoE for DP even if I had questions about the RB which I don't bc we already beat that horse to death on D3. You are actively trying to prevent either a person who is openly taunting the town as scum or a person who has aggressively slipped several times. I have no idea what vivax is doing but he's still town to me unfortunately, you on the other hand are actively trying to prevent two of my scumreads from getting lynched. why the fuck do they not night kill. When somebody is this fucking townconfirmed they get nk. Why he pushing us all the time to a town wagon for lynch?????How can you not see that DP/Rels Stop saying that, its not true, I have a better fucking record than the person I am voting for, so why do you not scum read palmar for never voting for scum this game. because palmar is just a fucking dick of town! and I refuse to vote on any of your wagons You're mafia then I guess. Half the wagons I have pushed haven't even flipped. you basiclly pushed on everybody CC had the hardest time here VE trfel I blame you for that. You shoot you teammate because it make sense. You voted oats because every other vote would be scum as hell Not voting on a cop confirmed red one is scum as hell not other option. So that does not make you town thats makes you scum for me I will not vote on your wagons! Never !
Ugh, but DMB says "I will never vote on your wagons" then at the first possible chance votes for me anyway. How are all of these discordant ideas capable of living inside one person and how does one read a person like that as anything but scummy?
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On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you? In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you? I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment. I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn. Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement? Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels. If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless.
Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German.
I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.).
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On March 21 2024 07:44 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:42 Jealous wrote:On March 18 2024 10:58 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:55 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:53 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 18 2024 10:50 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 18 2024 10:46 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away. why do you townread dp so strong? why would he shoot TTS? Why would mafia not roleblock him if they know that he as a gun as he claimed it. Why is this gun making him so fucking town and why is he not getting nk when he this much townconfirmed how does that make sense? I scumread Palmar and Jealous and now you tbh. No room in my PoE for DP even if I had questions about the RB which I don't bc we already beat that horse to death on D3. You are actively trying to prevent either a person who is openly taunting the town as scum or a person who has aggressively slipped several times. I have no idea what vivax is doing but he's still town to me unfortunately, you on the other hand are actively trying to prevent two of my scumreads from getting lynched. why the fuck do they not night kill. When somebody is this fucking townconfirmed they get nk. Why he pushing us all the time to a town wagon for lynch?????How can you not see that DP/Rels Stop saying that, its not true, I have a better fucking record than the person I am voting for, so why do you not scum read palmar for never voting for scum this game. because palmar is just a fucking dick of town! and I refuse to vote on any of your wagons You're mafia then I guess. Half the wagons I have pushed haven't even flipped. you basiclly pushed on everybody CC had the hardest time here VE trfel I blame you for that. You shoot you teammate because it make sense. You voted oats because every other vote would be scum as hell Not voting on a cop confirmed red one is scum as hell not other option. So that does not make you town thats makes you scum for me I will not vote on your wagons! Never ! Ugh, but DMB says "I will never vote on your wagons" then at the first possible chance votes for me anyway. How are all of these discordant ideas capable of living inside one person and how does one read a person like that as anything but scummy? Yeah because as Town you could not forgett who got nk few minutes before. This made think of you as mafia. This hole shit after we didn´t lynch you this made me suspioses about you
You do know that that was well before this day cycle, right? You could have lynched me at the end of D4 and you switched off of me to DP, but now that it's the next day, suddenly stuff from early D4 made you completely reverse your town read on me from the meta dive you did in my previous games? It just doesn't add up.
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On March 21 2024 07:42 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:
If dmb is mafia she would be bussed here 1000% of the time.
I am not bussing my teammatesLook back. I kinda tried to ignore my teammates. made a short read on rayn in a list post. Didn´t talk to him in thread. Just tried to talk to everbody else. Thats not how I played and how I would play
Thanks for clearing me again.
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On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today. It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB. My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about. And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum. I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town. I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk. That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum. At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town. I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game. When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum. I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you? After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you. Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.
So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?
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On March 21 2024 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today. It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB. My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about. And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum. I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town. I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk. That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum. At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town. I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game. When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum. I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you? After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you. Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this. So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then? That’s what she has been saying
+ Show Spoiler [DMB Vote Analysis] +
It's a deadlock 3-3-3 with me set to be lynched so... DP busses me to make sure I get lynched I guess? And had been bussing me the whole time? And I took the opportunity to... instead of trying to save myself by staying on Palmar... to bus DP, the wagon which DMB started?
Lol??
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On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely. Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here. It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town. Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me. The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it. It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today. It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB. My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about. And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum. I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town. I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk. That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum. At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town. I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game. When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum. I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you? After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you. Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this. So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then? Pretty sure. But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!
On March 21 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Like dmb could not be any more obviously mafia than she is right now.
Yea okay I give up, I'll go down with this ship if DMB is town, there is no amount of reasoning that would lead me to believe that any of this comes from town!AnyoneEver. I see what Vivax meant by corrupted game now I think.
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 07:54 Jealous wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 07:52 Jealous wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:17 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day?[/QUOTE]
because of his voting switch
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
There was no logical reason that he swapped his vote on Dp with me. Thinking of his situation it would be better to stick on Palmar and save himself... But it would make more sense to have the vote on dp so that not all 3 scum a voting the same person.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation.[/QUOTE]
Yeah thats what I was thought and still kinda think why he could be scum. I just assume it´s 100 % dp and Rels togther the 3rd person is either him or Jat. But if you all still think of dp and rels as Town. I will just accept my death, the end of the game, that town lost and congratulation on dp and Rels for getting so many Town wagons to a lynch
80 page scum filter amazing but not for dp.[/QUOTE]
I mean, this is just incredible. What stronger case could I possibly make? Never gild the lily. [/QUOTE]
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On March 21 2024 09:48 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 06:45 justanothertownie wrote:
Jealous new vote analysis is just more or less the same in a new format again. Busywork without a lot of conclusions that are drawn. My thinking exactly
Trying to stimulate discussion by providing possibilities. I did dives into filters and shared reads and lists several times. What have y'all done/contributed?
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On March 21 2024 09:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
are you guys really think I believe that there is nobody online besides Dp one hour before the lynch who will either end the game or give us finally a scum
I don´t even get a chance here. My feeling is right with the corruption I shouldn´t even invested time today in this game when nobody is interested in my posts anyway.
And this town is not allowed to be mad on me after the game is over and is like yeah but she looked so scummy. Fuck off to this town. You didn´t even care about what I was writting. I take no blame on this high lost game, because your egos are too big for a reread and accepting that I may be right with my dp reads and you just don´t accept that there is a possibilty that I am Town.
Pls believe you master dp. Did you all not reserve a sock full of shit to get free?
I tried. I really tried to see past the fact that your behavior was objectively scummy. I entertained the thought of a DP/iamp team and shared it here. I voted DP with you yesterday.
However, your begging and pleading after you pulled a 180 on me will get you nowhere here. The only person responsible for your position is yourself, regardless of your alignment.
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On March 21 2024 10:22 Rels wrote:
I'm really sorry DMB. I cannot see you as not scum. Those in particular seal the deal for me:
- the forced dumbtell D2 that went on for abnormally long
- the Palmar townread based on very thin meta that wasn't even true in my opinion
- the CopCake vote on someone you townread was pretty opportunistic, especialyl since CopCake was probably never going to get lynched past that point. I really made town lose a mislynch
- you playing like your scum meta last night and today, very sure of your target, very relentless and aggressive. Even going from "I know I'm bad town" which I found kinda townie before that, to some kind of variation of "don't you dare call me bad" lately
There was another one today, where she seemed to not understand how Vivax could be lynched. It's like even after the first dumbtell, she still didn't read the OP.
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On March 21 2024 10:45 Rels wrote:
BTW are we missing the whisperer again? Jealous was whisperer yesterday right?
I was the whisperer again today.
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On March 21 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:37 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 09:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
are you guys really think I believe that there is nobody online besides Dp one hour before the lynch who will either end the game or give us finally a scum
I don´t even get a chance here. My feeling is right with the corruption I shouldn´t even invested time today in this game when nobody is interested in my posts anyway.
And this town is not allowed to be mad on me after the game is over and is like yeah but she looked so scummy. Fuck off to this town. You didn´t even care about what I was writting. I take no blame on this high lost game, because your egos are too big for a reread and accepting that I may be right with my dp reads and you just don´t accept that there is a possibilty that I am Town.
Pls believe you master dp. Did you all not reserve a sock full of shit to get free? I tried. I really tried to see past the fact that your behavior was objectively scummy. I entertained the thought of a DP/iamp team and shared it here. I voted DP with you yesterday. However, your begging and pleading after you pulled a 180 on me will get you nowhere here. The only person responsible for your position is yourself, regardless of your alignment. changing fast my reads if I see something what is in my eyes scummy. That is what should make me turn here. Read my mafia game. Thats to risky to make as mafia. Also voting outside of the wagon to risky would have not done that either
Okay but you understand that if you're town, you lost one of the only potential allies you had in me the moment you flipped a 180 on me, called me scum, and voted to lynch me after I jumped on DP with you, right? Think about it. I have been one of the few people even willing to entertain the idea that DP could be scum, and you basically decided to bury me despite saying "I WiLl NeVeR vOtE fOr a DP wAgOn AgAiN." So, even if you flip town, you have no one to blame but yourself.
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On March 21 2024 10:50 die_meatbaby wrote:
Where is the ladder.
Please. I am screaming for help
It´s cold and lonly here.
Town is against me.
buried alive
my biggest fear it´s coming true
Please. Help
It´s cold and I can not handle it alone.
Where are the humans. Where are the wolves?
I just see the moon shining in the darkness
![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/75759fijhkn21.jpg)
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On March 21 2024 10:53 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:51 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:37 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 09:49 die_meatbaby wrote:
are you guys really think I believe that there is nobody online besides Dp one hour before the lynch who will either end the game or give us finally a scum
I don´t even get a chance here. My feeling is right with the corruption I shouldn´t even invested time today in this game when nobody is interested in my posts anyway.
And this town is not allowed to be mad on me after the game is over and is like yeah but she looked so scummy. Fuck off to this town. You didn´t even care about what I was writting. I take no blame on this high lost game, because your egos are too big for a reread and accepting that I may be right with my dp reads and you just don´t accept that there is a possibilty that I am Town.
Pls believe you master dp. Did you all not reserve a sock full of shit to get free? I tried. I really tried to see past the fact that your behavior was objectively scummy. I entertained the thought of a DP/iamp team and shared it here. I voted DP with you yesterday. However, your begging and pleading after you pulled a 180 on me will get you nowhere here. The only person responsible for your position is yourself, regardless of your alignment. changing fast my reads if I see something what is in my eyes scummy. That is what should make me turn here. Read my mafia game. Thats to risky to make as mafia. Also voting outside of the wagon to risky would have not done that either Okay but you understand that if you're town, you lost one of the only potential allies you had in me the moment you flipped a 180 on me, called me scum, and voted to lynch me after I jumped on DP with you, right? Think about it. I have been one of the few people even willing to entertain the idea that DP could be scum, and you basically decided to bury me despite saying "I WiLl NeVeR vOtE fOr a DP wAgOn AgAiN." So, even if you flip town, you have no one to blame but yourself. Thats because in my opinion vivax would have deserved to finally see you lynch after I ruined it almost 2 times
Solid reasoning there.
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On March 21 2024 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 10:53 Rels wrote:Really hope we see some red, pretty awful game from me otherwise Who would it even be in that case, JAT/MZ/Jealous I guess? DP if you're scum, fucking kudos, most incredible performance ever I think she flips red, but yes. Otherwise it was Jat/MZ/Jealous I think. but I think that is much less likely. This is a pretty great performance from DMB.
Not really, the emotional appeal card has been played so many times that these emo lyrics aren't even close to plucking a heartstring, but maybe I am particularly biased.
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I'm tired boss. GG WP scum.
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On March 21 2024 11:04 Rels wrote:
GG scum! At the very least we weren't even close ... I don't know if that really should be a relief but ...
We were close on D4 
PS: Fuck Vivax.
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On March 21 2024 11:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
You named 4 different people out of the remaining 6, not including yourself that's 5, and you still didn't get it right. Better luck next time.
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On March 21 2024 11:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:05 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 11:04 Rels wrote:
GG scum! At the very least we weren't even close ... I don't know if that really should be a relief but ... We were close on D4 PS: Fuck Vivax. Vivax was your best man with Cake and DMB (who you both lynched) after D2, so fuck you.
Vivax tunneled me for like 4 or 5 IRL days and didn't consider he might have been wrong once, and didn't have the gut to hold the line on DP anyway.
Cake and DMB... alright.
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On March 21 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
nobody believed me with dp
I voted DP with you and scum read me for it, cry me a river.
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On March 21 2024 11:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 11:04 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 21 2024 10:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
dp/rels/J
or
dp/rels/Jat You named 4 different people out of the remaining 6, not including yourself that's 5, and you still didn't get it right. Better luck next time. can you fucking give any credit on where it belongs ever? she made like 100 posts on how DP is mafia on final day and you just jacked off on every of them?
I voted DP with her. I get scum read by her for it. I make a case on a potential DP scum team. Town sleeps. It is what it is.
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On March 21 2024 11:09 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2024 11:09 Jealous wrote:On March 21 2024 11:06 die_meatbaby wrote:
nobody believed me with dp I voted DP with you and scum read me for it, cry me a river. yeah with the scummiest way to switch a vote ever
Lmao
"You did what I was begging everyone to do but you didn't do it the right way so you must be scum with him." Solid team building.
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On March 21 2024 11:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Guys, guys lets talk about how great the mafia team played and not how shit the town played.
That is what I really am interested in right now.
Great work in the Discord. Making me feel like there was some sort of issue about my saying that I should get suspicious of you if you're alive late was a good play, posting about it here to boot. Lack of reaction to my bait post on the "gotcha bitch" meme was playing it cool, as was the "Loll what is this?"
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On March 23 2024 07:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
for the record i am not playing, cake, ve, jealous.
I never self-voted, it was said sarcastically.
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