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On March 05 2024 22:16 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah. Tempted to townread him just for that tbh. Even though I really don't like the way he went about the mayor stuff and the cake push was also meh.
DP is a null, but I've only read his posts in the context of reading other players.
I did like him calling out iamperfection for being wrong about how to deal with Vivax (I'm reading Vivax right now). But some of his other stuff that I've seen has been decidedly meh.
Problem is, he has posted so goddamn much I don't even know what I should read of his postings. I guess I'll go find a list post or something.
But he should maybe just be off the table today just because he has a long filter.
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So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
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Hi.
Hi.
marv says he has complicated timeline, tries to play first 24h in the afternoon
M: "20 pages already"
R: Yeah 50% of it is DP
M: agrees with my iamp and vivax townish reads, then sees i took vivax read back, he still thinks vivax is townish.
DMB looks townish, Oats townish, DP looks townish (definitely not telling him that :D)
We discuss a little bit about the vivax read. i say vivax is not enough paranoid, marv disagrees it makes him necessarily mafia. i tell him that vivax paranoid level is "MS game DP made a (very good) case on vivax' top scumread, vivax STILL thought DP is mafia with that guy the WHOLE GAME". Marv semi agrees it could mean vivax is mafia, still looks townish tonally, but we'll know better soon enough anyways
we discuss a little bit of the DP vs Cake debate, no real conclusions. marv thinks might be townish for Cake to go against DP (or would be insane as mafia, but that doesnt mean Cake isn't insane)
I tell marv what i am looking after with my question to cake.
marv asks about my slam scumread i tell him i am gonna post it in thread when i am home since phoneposting sucks
we talk a little bit about mayor, i say we shoudl elect him, he says he doesnt think town will go for him as mayor anyways since activity issues. he asks me why i am towreading him, i say our reads align very well and the DP thing lol^^
we agree to elect me most likely at second part of D1.
marv complains about having issues to read trfel, i tell i have to check something before making a read on him but i think he looked townie. I take back Trfel town read, i had misread something, or thought i saw something that was not there.
marv says he is also masons with sandroba. i ask him if he thinks sandroba is town. marv says he thinks i am town and sandroba also looks townie in chat. i tell him to tell sandroba that we are planning on electing me, he says sandroba is on the fence.
marv says he still thinks vivax is town, i am coming to agree since vivax' reads look pretty similar to mine, except for sandroba push. we discuss that a little bit and come to conclusion its not a scummy push but definitely wrong. i say that I dont think sandroba's read on Trfel is very good so i kind of understand Vivax there. It is just basically "mindmeld", i don't consider that very good heuristic since scum are going to town read townies all the time anyways, just because Trfel made a same point about MZ that sandroba was thinking should not mean much just by itself.
I tell marv he should tell sandroba we need to work together here for mayor election, marv says sandroba seems a bit suspicious of marv. I tell him to tell sandroba that i am very certain of marv being town, and if he thinks i am town he should trust that read.
sandroba is still on the fence because he doesnt understand why i townread marv.
Vivax claiming JK omg, what the fuck, lol... this game.... slam also claimed cop.
I say its not a disaster if vivax is mayor. marv thinks it's a bad idea, what if does something unpredictable for instance shoots sandroba? marv doesnt want to vote for vivax.
i quote iamps "moron mayor" post and laugh. marv says thats one of the reasons he thinks iamp is town, he's not that funny as mafia. i say i also laughed at the "i dont wanna be mayor because i dont wanna live that long in this game" post.
marv is annoyed at the claiming, i agree, esp as they are people who make weird decisions, worst case scenario is bad. marv is trying to convince sandroba i am best mayor candidate.
marv has to leave, but doesnt leave after all :D
he tells me to stop arguing with vivax, it doesnt help.
marv says Rels' Oats read is super bad, i say i think all Rels' reds so far are bad. I dont know why he would go down that road as mafia though.
marv actually leaves for the night.
I tell him i am probably just gonna refrain from posting today, and DP, Koshi and Vivax can do whatever they want. I just get annoyed at them.
I ask marv why he thinks VE is town.
I say Palmar maybe JAT mafia... i have to revisit dmb, trfel, jacob. Everyone else looks more or less town (add VE to maf list here)
marv says he doesnt think VE is necessarily town, he doesnt understand why he couldnt play like this as town
marv says he talked with sandroba and maybe just elect vivax and not clutter up the thread with that shit anymore
marv says VE doesnt look great, takes back the read
I tell just elect vivax whatever
i say VE can be completely useless as town and i dont thinkthats necessarily alignment indicative for him. I scumread him because he got angry at my post which should not generate that kind of reaction as it was perfectly neutral post. He always does that because he tries to fake his town anger but it is directed in completely unreasonable places.
I say Jacob is probably just town because he doesnt realise slam has claimed and the read didnt look fake to me
I say yeah Palmar is mafia
the end!
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On March 05 2024 22:13 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 21:32 Koshi wrote:
For me Palmar & tfrel need to go. You can swap them out for Hapa and Jealous if you want. But they should be modkilled. It's sad but just unfair after 0 posts. I thought everybody except 3 confirmed? I was one of the 3 that didn't join the discord yet. This is very good. Why is this good?
Because we're lynching mafia.
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On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
I think, I said, he can do this as mafia.
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My bad I wanted to bold the part no one called him mafia.
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On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia.
Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls.
I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
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I just filtered JSL, there's actually a bunch of stuff in his posts I kinda like. Some of it is just me agreeing with how he thinks about the game (don't kill players who you know will be active), and some of it is just tonal stuff (I'm arrogant cause I don't get lynched as town). Some of it is weirdness... the guy made a case on himself.
Kinda towny
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On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
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On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Just so I get it clear.
a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia?
b) You don't think that's strange at all?
Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine.
But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it?
Not weird?
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On March 05 2024 22:42 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:37 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:36 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote:
So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia.
2) He did claim so we work with what we got
3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill"
4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
[b]There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though. I think, I said, he can do this as mafia. Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls. I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong. That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid.
Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself.
The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor.
I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically.
We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
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I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
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On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird?
marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor.
So no, not really weird.
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The tiny little fascist in me really wants to kill Vivax for making a bad play but I'm just gonna ignore that. I can't see clear scum posting in what I've filtered of him.
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On March 05 2024 13:55 iamperfection wrote:
brought information from outside the thread into the game am i the only person that reads.
Maybe but you can‘t interpret it in a conclusive way.
There‘s a tonne of posts to laugh about in this game.
Is that the best you have to say at this point in the game ?
Throwing yourself at the floor, punching it and screaming for cake ?
Maybe we should do Oats and you.
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On March 05 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor. So no, not really weird.
Let's do a hypothetical, I know you love those and the chances of it ending in us arguing about semantics is close to zero.
I die, I flip town.
What do you now think of marv (assuming he doesn't post anything else in your topic).
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On March 05 2024 22:52 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor. So no, not really weird. Let's do a hypothetical, I know you love those and the chances of it ending in us arguing about semantics is close to zero. I die, I flip town. What do you now think of marv (assuming he doesn't post anything else in your topic).
I am pretty sure you're not gonna flip town today in case you're town.
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On March 05 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 22:52 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 22:43 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
--- Wall of text --- Just so I get it clear. a) Marv votes me and nowhere in your interactions he discusses or mentions the possibility of me being mafia? b) You don't think that's strange at all? Like you say twice I could be mafia, fine. But you don't think it's weird marv doesn't even ponder it in a chat with you? The most important thing he does during the day phase is voting, and he is voting a player he likes and knows very well, and doesn't make a single comment about it? Not weird? marv has not posted anything in the chat after voting for you, aside from answering my VE question and telling me him and sandroba decided to vote vivax for mayor. So no, not really weird. Let's do a hypothetical, I know you love those and the chances of it ending in us arguing about semantics is close to zero. I die, I flip town. What do you now think of marv (assuming he doesn't post anything else in your topic). I am pretty sure you're not gonna flip town today in case you're town.
That's why I said a hypothetical.
Humor me please.
Tell me what you think of marv if I die today and flip town.
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It depends on what you do and what he does during the rest of the day.
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Not gonna lie though, this is the first time i think you are posting something i consider slightly townie. I am interested in where it leads. 
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