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On March 05 2024 19:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar. I didn't filter him beyond what I posted, but ok. I don't really feel the need to be careful or thoughtful. I'm posting the things I notice in the thread. I'm not going to play this game like the last one that was a comeback game after years of inactivity. If I die, I die. I'm leading the lynch vote right now, so I kinda want to get my thoughts out, no matter if they're completed processes or not. And additionally, just doing that and being in the thread is very helpful to get an understanding and more insight into the game.
Fact. I am glad you are doing it and I am here criticizing it. If you think I was unfair, you can tell me why.
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On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about. OatsmasterBoth initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this: Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing. Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town. Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives? I don't think pushing for it actually does anything. You don’t seem to even want to be mayor There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor". It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything. VisceraEyesPart of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read. But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him. Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game. I have zero interest in lynching VE today. DMBSo I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point. Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages. Where did you wake up from??? It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about? Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game. She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though. But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?
Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly 
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On March 05 2024 19:59 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 19:56 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out. I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill. That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up. Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read. Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar. I didn't filter him beyond what I posted, but ok. I don't really feel the need to be careful or thoughtful. I'm posting the things I notice in the thread. I'm not going to play this game like the last one that was a comeback game after years of inactivity. If I die, I die. I'm leading the lynch vote right now, so I kinda want to get my thoughts out, no matter if they're completed processes or not. And additionally, just doing that and being in the thread is very helpful to get an understanding and more insight into the game. Fact. I am glad you are doing it and I am here criticizing it. If you think I was unfair, you can tell me why.
No it's fine, I actually didn't know Vivax wanted to lynch Oats, so your criticism that I need to actually flesh out and establish a hard read is fair.
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rayn is not scumhunting.
On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town?
On March 04 2024 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel looks too clean, it worries me.
Great question by marv because I was going to ask you guys before I read this.
On March 04 2024 23:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2024 23:20 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2024 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 04 2024 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dont think Cake is town?
I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia. Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right? No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment. What did it mean about that? Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things. If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment. I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia. I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town? For the uninitiated, why can’t Slam do this as town? I don't think he can't per se. I just think he wouldn't. Like let's be honest Slam is voting either Hapa, marv or rayn for mayor (unless he has to pick someone else), mostly Hapa. I can't possibly understand why he makes posts like: "Liked trfel and now considering voting trfel for mayor" or "Second pick is VE, he has some decent logic on why he would lurker lynch." Is he ever going to actually vote for either of those people for mayor? Especially VE for THAT reasoning? I just don't see the point of putting it like that. It's kind of a townread but still not really. And i can't possibly understand why he wants me for mayor, why would you EVER want anyone for mayor who wants to lynch you??? Just because i agreed with 2 of his reads like 3 hours into the game?
The slam read doesn't convince me. Point 1 is not something I would read slam mafia for. Not sure why rayn does. Slam has martyred as town a lot. At some point long ago it was a bit of a towntell.
Point 2 when asked about by marv doesn't convince me at all.
The tfrel read is throwaway and can be a bus even.
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I think the game inside the game Slam was “less free”. If something to read Slam as town is not his “martyr” but his way of saying things not caring if he makes someone mad or not. Also the overuse of Hijole and random stuff unintentionally.
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On March 05 2024 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well.
I masoned marv.
There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all.
Nothing noteworthy in chat? Ok rayn.
On March 05 2024 00:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think marv is town.
Why is that then?
On March 05 2024 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote:
Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference. Oh Trfel and marv also said iamp looks townish, i doubt mafia marv makes that read about mafia iamp, so it's a legit read from town marv or 100% correct read from mafia marv.
Ok. This started with a question from Tfrel to rayn which rayn answered with same lame meta. But then both iamp and tfrel reacted to it so he changes it to a weak association read.
Not impressed.
On March 05 2024 01:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:sandroba what marv is telling you is true. lol this is funny
On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads.
On March 05 2024 01:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 01:57 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote:
@rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats. he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads. Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately. I am unsure of why it should look worse for him to tell those reads to me privately rather than posting them in thread? Because i find it the opposite.
Here Sandroba senses the same as I do I think. There is bullshit coming from rayn and sandroba asks rayn why he is so weirdly ok with marv.
rayn is just dodging it in a infuriating way. Might be on me. But this shit makes my blood boil.
The thread has nothing. marv is not playing. And he is holding back information.
Why? Just why?
Anyway. Big dislike.
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On March 05 2024 20:13 CopCake wrote:
I think the game inside the game Slam was “less free”. If something to read Slam as town is not his “martyr” but his way of saying things not caring if he makes someone mad or not. Also the overuse of Hijole and random stuff unintentionally.
So you believe that Slam is not carefree enough and showed that by saying he might vote Tfrel?
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On March 05 2024 02:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##UnMayor: Vivax
##Mayor: raynpelikoneet
Actually this is probably still better!!!
How? rayn is smart. How is this better?
He isn't particularly mad at Vivax. He isn't concerned the claim is true and Vivax might die.
Him mayor is better? Really?
I think he is mafia and he knew the town play was to vote Vivax because he is smart. But there was so much hate coming towards Vivax from townies like iamp that he felt safe to vote himself again.
That is what I think.
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Marv is Rayn’s second gay crush, so I dont see anything weird there.
I think Rayn said also that Marv have a similar reads before he shared his. I know this doesnt clear Rayn but it sounds like normal Rayn.
IF my opinion has some weight on you, I think rayn is more agressive and angry as mafia. Only once I think he has been happy as mafia is when someone sent him whisky for having a good scum game, I think that was Happa.
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On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oatsmaster - probs town
DarthPunk - townish
Vivax - town
sandroba - town
Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game
marvellosity - town
Jealous - not posted
Meapak_Ziphh - townish
Palmar - not posted
justanothertownie - not posted
die_meatbaby - town
CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps?
JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him
Hapahauli - not posted
Iamperfection - town
Koshi - meh, useless
ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish
VisceraEyes - scummy, useless
Rels - useless
Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list.
I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town.
And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
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On March 05 2024 20:21 CopCake wrote:
Marv is Rayn’s second gay crush, so I dont see anything weird there.
I think Rayn said also that Marv have a similar reads before he shared his. I know this doesnt clear Rayn but it sounds like normal Rayn.
IF my opinion has some weight on you, I think rayn is more agressive and angry as mafia. Only once I think he has been happy as mafia is when someone sent him whisky for having a good scum game, I think that was Happa.
1) I sounds like marv posted his reads first, and then rayn townread marv because the reads are the same. Which does not make rayn town.
2) I don't think him being not angry enough cancels out what I pointed out here.
You think rayn is having fun this game? I think if he was town and he was happy and eagerly to play, his game would look different than what he is showing here.
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I need to talk to rayn so he can convince me he is town regardless of his alignment.
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On March 05 2024 20:30 Koshi wrote:
I need to talk to rayn so he can convince me he is town regardless of his alignment.
I am not sure if that's going to happen though.
I got annoyed yesterday so i am considering you/Vivax/DP do whatever you want to do.
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Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
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On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread.
I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top.
But it is fair you got annoyed.
Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him.
I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
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I would like a detailed summary of both whisper logs please.
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Rels probably town, JAT maybe mafia.
I dont understand why JAT keeps complaining about Vivax mayor but cant read anyone as town except Koshi but does nothing about Koshi getiing mayor.
Rels doesnt seem to be pushing any agenda.
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On March 05 2024 20:45 iamperfection wrote:
I would like a detailed summary of both whisper logs please.
I can do that when i am home.
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I would also be interested in the logs content. Think I'm just going to sleep and rest and wake up for deadline though. I'm exhausted.
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Me: rayn seems happy
Rayn: I got annoyed
Me: 🤔😩🫨
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