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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 05 2024 10:10 GMT
#1881
On March 05 2024 19:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
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On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.

As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.

##mayor: Vivax

Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.

I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.


Why is Marv obvious town over say Ray?


He is saying he wishes marv could be obvious town, which marv could choose to do as alignment if he was so inclined probably.

But hasn't really bothered to do so recently.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:13 GMT
#1882
I am tired. So stupid to stay up so long.
Oh well.

Gameplan for today:
Lynch and shoot into people with <3 pages of filter
Read Oats & rayn
Reread tfrel in an attempt to untunnel
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 05 2024 10:14 GMT
#1883
On March 05 2024 19:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.

As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.

##mayor: Vivax

Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.

I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.


Why is Marv obvious town over say Ray?

He isn't that's the whole issue. Both aren't.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:18 GMT
#1884
On March 05 2024 18:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Actually as someone who just filtered Palmer again I think let he who is without sin through the first stone here....

If you sum up all of his posts you just get basically a list thread as shit or shitter as mine. So... what's the deal with that. Make a case on me at least. Explain why people should vote for me.


We mad?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:19 GMT
#1885
On March 05 2024 19:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I'm going to bed early so I can get up early to be around a bit before the deadline to catch up.

I think Palmar is the best lynch today.

Reasons:

1) he spent all last game posting about how he is a god on day one and carried the town and yayaya.

2.) his filter from day one this game.

##vote: Palmar

He is just not the same player as his town play last time.


Okay you've done step 1 which is establish a discrepancy in my play this game to the last game.

But you've then made a leap that me playing differently means I'm mafia. Can you explain how playing differently means i'm mafia?

Computer says mafia
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 05 2024 10:21 GMT
#1886
On March 05 2024 19:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:00 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 17:05 marvellosity wrote:
Iamp, i take back my criticism of your VE vote. I’m not convinced but I don’t think it’s bad.

As I’m not gonna be here, doing this to make life easier.

##mayor: Vivax

Do you really think that's the play here? Or are you just being lazy? I think mafia is super happy with Vivax being the guy they cannot shoot instead of someone who can actually lead lynches on them. People here put too much stock in roles and not enough in playing the game imo. But I would expect you not to.

I would much prefer you being obv town and going for mayor.


Why is Marv obvious town over say Ray?

He isn't that's the whole issue. Both aren't.


Oh fair. that does make sense, imo it doesn't make sense to fight super hard for Mayor. If there was someone known for having an amazing town read game and a terrible scum game then it would be optimal but I think most people here are good at both or not performing this game so.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 05 2024 10:22 GMT
#1887
On March 05 2024 19:18 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 18:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Actually as someone who just filtered Palmer again I think let he who is without sin through the first stone here....

If you sum up all of his posts you just get basically a list thread as shit or shitter as mine. So... what's the deal with that. Make a case on me at least. Explain why people should vote for me.


We mad?


I'm not mad I'm just disapointed.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:41 GMT
#1888
So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.

Oatsmaster

Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:

On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m running for mayor


Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.

On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.

Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?


I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.

You don’t seem to even want to be mayor


There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".

It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.

VisceraEyes

Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.

But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.

Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.

On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote:
People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.


I have zero interest in lynching VE today.

DMB


So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.

On March 05 2024 06:18 die_meatbaby wrote:
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On March 05 2024 06:13 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote:
Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.

Where did you wake up from???

It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?


Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM


She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.

She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.

But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.

Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:42 GMT
#1889
Why Oats is Town or at the very least should not be lynched today/tomorrow:
1) Starts the game attacking everybody. I link that to a townie trying to form reads, trying to get involved. He doesn't do it in a contrived way, trying to sow distrust on a few lynchbait candidates. He just goes full out on everybody. I like it.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,

I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?

Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.

Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.

Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.

This literally makes no sense

On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.

Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.

This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game

On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.

Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?

On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:23 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.

Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors.

This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game


Finish the thought ?

Scummy lol why is that not clear

On March 04 2024 12:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.

And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game

Do you think the townreads are good or bad


2) He keeps up if somebody interacts with him. Both DP and Vivax attacked him, he didn't back down, didn't change tone. Just kept playing his game:
On March 04 2024 12:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:23 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.

Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?


I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.

You don’t seem to even want to be mayor


Why would I not want to be mayor? What would that mean for my alignment if it was true?


Getting mayor and yeeting town invites much more suspicion than otherwise which is obviously not something that you’d want to do as mafia

On March 04 2024 12:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 04 2024 12:41 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:39 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:37 Vivax wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
@grack how do we differentiate lynch and mayor votes


1. You forgot to greenfont
2. I don‘t like this post


Don't you feel like oats was way more together in the game on MS.

Like he was the one nit picking small details.

Oats is smart and the acting dense shtick seems fake to me.


He‘s spamming too much it forces everybody else to post more containment garbage.

Ridiculous statement when I have way more useful content than you

On top I like that he is confident in his contributions to the thread. Town!Oats believes he is more valuable than Vivax at the moment.

3) Isn't willing to participate in 'useless" conversation. Called something wrong out, but then dropped it all together after MZ and tfrel talked about it.
On March 04 2024 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,

I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?

Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.

Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.

Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?

And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?

I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.

Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.

Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?

That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.

Where is your data that the second wagon is more likely scum


4) He stays inquisitive when he is in the thread. Doesn't fall off after a good start.
On March 05 2024 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 05 2024 00:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well.

I masoned marv.

There is not much in our chat, we've been brainstorming a little bit. Basically we both think sandroba is town and Vivax' push on him is not scummy, just wrong. That's pretty much all.

thoughts on Marv then?


On March 05 2024 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 05 2024 00:42 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Koshi is trying too hard to do his “I’m so town look at me stuff”

Lies and slander

I will be town so you should vote me mayor

Okay so clearly you are reading, any thoughts pertaining to the game at all?


On March 05 2024 10:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 05 2024 08:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:50 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:50 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:44 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 05 2024 08:37 marvellosity wrote:
##vote: Palmar

To lynch I assume?

Obviously

Surface level, obvious townreads without Palmar-esque reasoning behind them.

Trying too hard to be funny.

Mafia

A solid case

Best in the thread tbh

I will go with that for now. Its solid ev regardless of the involved alignments.

What are you saying here?


On March 05 2024 10:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
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On March 05 2024 10:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote:
I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.

OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor.

I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around.

This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?



5) Unique player, unique views? Bit tongue in cheeck because I disagree with his 3 scumreads. Maybe I could be convinced on DMB today but then I would need to reread first. But I can see town!Oats have these reads.
This point does not make Oats town but I want to end my write up with this because it might help in the future to understand where he is.
On March 05 2024 10:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Anyway here’s where I’m at
Town: koshi, iamp, rayn
Mafia: VE, jacob, DMB



I have no opinion on him not understanding the setup and his slam conversation about me.
I had a good night of sleep.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:44 GMT
#1890
Marayndroba is very disappointing by the way in my limited reading. But assuming all three are mafia is a dumb take so I'll need more time.

In any case I don't think we lynch any of them right now, but I have been highly annoyed by some of their contributions. Maybe they're just having too much fun in the mason chats.
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:45 GMT
#1891
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.
I had a good night of sleep.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:45 GMT
#1892
Mostly just annoyed at some of them (all?) calling me mafia when I'm pretty townie in my own opinion.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:47 GMT
#1893
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:47 GMT
#1894
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I first typed less annoying but changed it because it is not annoying to vote out an inactive.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:52 GMT
#1895
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.

That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up.

Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read.

Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:53 GMT
#1896
##Vote Palmar

The game is on. I know you will try to convince us otherwise so I am happy to see it.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 05 2024 10:54 GMT
#1897
On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.

That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up.

Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read.

Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.

What happened to town gets to decide who Vivax kills? If you do not trust him to keep that promise you should switch your vote back to yourself.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 05 2024 10:55 GMT
#1898
But I agree that Oats should not be the lynch today.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 10:56 GMT
#1899
On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.

That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up.

Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read.

Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.

I didn't filter him beyond what I posted, but ok.

I don't really feel the need to be careful or thoughtful. I'm posting the things I notice in the thread. I'm not going to play this game like the last one that was a comeback game after years of inactivity. If I die, I die.

I'm leading the lynch vote right now, so I kinda want to get my thoughts out, no matter if they're completed processes or not. And additionally, just doing that and being in the thread is very helpful to get an understanding and more insight into the game.
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 10:57 GMT
#1900
On March 05 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2024 19:52 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:47 Palmar wrote:
On March 05 2024 19:45 Koshi wrote:
Glad to see Palmar his Oats read be so lackluster. Makes it less easier to vote him out.

I've lynched Oats for being bad town before. I'm perfectly willing to listen to ideas for other people to kill.

That's good but doesn't change the fact you filtered Oats and failed to see he is playing hard. Poking at everybody; and it seems sincere as he does follow up.

Also I don't like that Oats is Vivax his nr1 lynch, and that you are not putting more thought in it than "He wanted to be mayor" but didn't follow up bullshit read.

Oats is the most important person right now. Or one of the most important people because our Mayor wants him dead. You should have been way more careful & thoughtful Palmar.

What happened to town gets to decide who Vivax kills? If you do not trust him to keep that promise you should switch your vote back to yourself.

That's my point. It shows mafia agenda to lazily pile on Town!Oats now.
I started today and my first thing was. I need to reread Oats very carefully because our Mayor wants him out and we need to help our Mayor in case he is wrong.

Palmar should have done the same. Instead he delivered what he delivered.
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