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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting! NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.
Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.If you have any questions, comments, concern, or feedback regarding the USPMT, then please use this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/website-feedback/510156-us-politics-thread |
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US Politics Mega-thread
Message from the Moderators
TLnet was founded on the idea that this is our place. We’ve used moderation as a tool to curate a place that we enjoy having discussions in and a forum that we can be proud of. This has meant that at times the rules are applied inconsistently. For instance, the standard of posting that we accept in a live report thread is vastly different to what we would expect elsewhere on the forum. At some point certain users in the US Politics thread have exploited this inconsistency. Over time, a posting culture has developed that stands in stark contrast to the values we value as a site.
The moderation team and wider staff came to a consensus that things need to change in this thread so that it aligns closer to the values of the rest of TLnet. We’re going to introduce more subjective moderation in the thread. What this means is that if we feel that your posting in this thread is to the detriment of the thread then we’re going to slap you with a thread ban (temporary or permanent). Attempts to ban dodge will result in site-wide bans as usual. The ban list will be maintained at the bottom of this post. The reason why we’ve opted for a thread ban approach is that you all seem to be pretty normal outside of this thread, so we’re giving people the benefit of the doubt that they’ll continue to behave this way once this system is in place.
This moderation policy might be perceived as being unfair. Our intention is not to silence one side, rather, it is to ensure that values of TLnet are upheld. In our assessments of each poster we will evaluate their holistic contributions to the thread and not just whether some post has crossed a line.
Please take any concerns pertaining to this moderation policy or the US politics thread in general to website feedback
The Banlist
List of banned users from the USPMT
The Rules
Original OP by farvacola
1. Show, don't tell, and listen.
This one sounds simple enough, but political discussions on TL suffer from an ignorance of this cliché and oftentimes devolve accordingly. There is a huge difference between saying “Iran is a bloodthirsty despotic state” and showing how Iran could be considered bloodthirsty given particular evidence. If you can't tell the difference, don't bother posting. Furthermore, if you are here to simply pontificate, please do so elsewhere. The entire point of a forum such as TL is to foster communication, and posters who seek only to talk at others instead of with them will be ignored.
2. No arguments in absentia.
In other words, do not argue using language that presumes conclusions that not everyone might share. If you think religion is hogwash, then intelligently and deliberately point out how you have come to this conclusion. Do not simply say “religion is garbage”, for it makes you look like a presumptuous fool and it degrades the entire conversation. If every poster attempted to be less unequivocal and more expository, the world of TL would be a better place.
3. Sources: A common sense approach.
We all know that the strictures of an online text based communication platform make certain sorts of evidential back and forth rather difficult to perform correctly. In keeping with this, I would ask that everyone simply use their heads. Wikipedia, contrary to some belief, is a good source for most things, though feel free to dispute Wiki's page specific sourcing rigor if you find error. Feel free to cite both standard and non-standard news sites and op-ed journalism; be ready, though, for challenges and be prepared to put the ideas of your source material into your own words. We don't need or want Fox News or Huff Post parrots.
4. Keep the hyperbole to a dull roar.
Because I just love how that was originally worded.
5. Be evocative, not mean.
Bashing will not be tolerated; well conceived arguments that reveal the error in your opposition's ways will be.
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Yay! I can finally join without feeling lost again.
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I for one welcome our new TL overlords.
Also, sad about the woman in town here who got killed by the Uber self driving car. I'm glad that the political reactions I've seen are not to stop the program and one's like it, but rather to refocus on safety. The legality of liability will be interesting since there was a back up driver behind the wheel and the victim wasn't using a crosswalk.
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Whoa, can someone TLDR me why Testie is banned? Just genuinely curious.
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Excellent, we got a shiny new thread and a shinier, newer moderation policy. Excited to see how the moderation works out.
This new lawyer for Trump sounds like he's going to be good at going on TV and hyping up the evils of the investigation and bad at actual lawyering.
What do you all think of the Cambridge Analytica car crash in slow motion? Alexander Nix sure seems like a great guy, getting free money and hookers for all his friends.
Maybe I should declare my candidacy for office, see if I could get him to help me out, since he's such a caring fellow.
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On March 20 2018 12:39 Emnjay808 wrote:
Whoa, can someone TLDR me why Testie is banned? Just genuinely curious.
He’s gone alt-Reich on us.
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Why did the previous thread get locked?
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On March 20 2018 14:18 TheDougler wrote:
Why did the previous thread get locked?
Message from the moderates in the middle of the new op.
Samisdat memorial ban list?
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Woah. Worth asking, will thread bans also have the normal "warning, then temp ban, then permaban, unless you do something really bad and skip some steps" thing? Or is it more "you had your chance, now you're gone indefinitely"?
Edit: oh, I see the existing banlist has "permanent" next to names, which implies "temporary" is also an option.
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We may be waiting a long time for just what made the FBI & career civil servants & Obama appointees want McCabe out.
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so all we need to do now is to change "...the values of the rest of TLnet" and we're golden.
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Props for taking this step. Should be interesting to see if discussions will be worth reading again.
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Ah, new thread. Excellent. The other one was practically impossible to hold a conversation going without it immediately derailing. More subjective moderation could be really nice, as long as you're able to differentiate between modding for disagreement and actual infringement.
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Or didn't want..
It's highly suspicious when the report isn't immediately released, and even more so when it's months late.
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I hope there is less tweets in a new thread. Or at least when someone post a tweet from person which isnt well know - official or celebrity poster will put some effort into it and explain why this tweet is important and why we should care about what this person has to say.
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http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article205946479.html
Facebook banned Cambridge Analytica from its site Friday and said that a Cambridge University professor “passed data from an app” to Cambridge Analytica in violation of Facebook’s policies. The information was legally obtained by the app from its users, Facebook said.
The professor also works at St. Petersburg State University and received grants from Russia.
This whole story reads like a conspiracy theory becoming more credible with every piece of information.
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You don't think its remotely weird that a man got fired on the recommendation of a report that isn't going to be out for another 2 months?
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