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On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote:
I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats.
Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches.
They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels
MZ
VE
Jacob
Palmar
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2 different bad takes in the same post by Koshi
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At the time of this post (7 hours ago), MZ and I have definitely been caring, and Jacob has the strongest claim of all
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On March 08 2024 06:31 Koshi wrote:
Oh wait. Jacob claimed gunsmith right. Ok. So swap Jacob with dmb then.
What a weird progression Jacob took on me.
meh
Still leaving a bad taste
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Koshi has been super townie D1 though. And is usually obvious scum the longer the game goes, by his activity level and his capacity at jumping from theory to theory that is apparently super hard to fake for him ... so I guess we'll see
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Alright going to bed for real!
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On March 08 2024 13:56 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels can I get a list post of your reads please? Scum: Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats Possibly scum: DMB Town: The rest apart from Jealous for which I have no read
This seems like a good reads list tbh.
Tts looked very bad coming in so vague but with knowledge.
Oats never seemed super town until after a red check ironically
Mz is trying super hard
Boarding plane now
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On March 08 2024 14:25 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Like jealous though
Me too.
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On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way.
At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point.
Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that.
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On March 08 2024 14:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way. At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point. Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that.
Why is marv mafia?
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im going to meta dmb I think.
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On March 08 2024 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 14:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way. At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point. Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that. Why is marv mafia?
I can answer this tomorrow, I'm going to bed now but it's almost entirely a meta read based on effort and activity. I was hoping my mason with palmar would help sort some of that out but it's been rather useless so far.
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Alright Palmar:
He has 11 pages, that’s really surprising to me tbh, again like I said earlier with rels, if I can’t remember what you posted, that’s bad.
On March 05 2024 22:48 Palmar wrote:
I need Sandroba to come convince me his mason buddies aren't just mafia.
I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it.
I really don’t like this post, it has the inbuilt assumption that Sandro is town and the only other post that Palmar made preceding this about Sandro he expressed suspicion at the 3 in the Mason group. It not a natural anything. Palmar is just posting for the sake of posting.
He then comes back to this Sandro read and justifies it after the fact as if he arrived at it later on which is obviously not the case.
On March 06 2024 06:46 Palmar wrote:Marv is very, very, very likely to be mafia. I already didn't love his stance on the Vivax thing and his tone in the thread. Then this line of thinking is really what's sealing the deal. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:13 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:12 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:09 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. In your mind this is town marv coming after you? I don't know. I want marv to be happier, more excited, and maybe a little friendlier. But I don't really think I can call him mafia for being lazy and boring. He does after all have his little mason society to retreat to. Mostly, I kinda just don't care at the moment. Marv has integrity and respect for the game. He is, usually, to be counted on to continue playing past day 1, and he is good enough that he can be forced to participate usefully or die. Even if I'm kinda suspicious, or at least uncomfortable, about his alignment at the moment, it's not a productive venue for today. Also, his reaction to me actually playing the game is going to be very interesting. Mafia. Should be calling me bad. Isn’t. Mafia. This isn't a valid complaint. I'm not gonna call marv bad when he votes for me. In fact, I kinda understand why he voted for me early on. I had done very little as I was busy yesterday. Today I produced a long filter with all kinds of reads and explanations of them and that did absolutely nothing to budge his opinion on me. I don't really know what sandroba thinks of me but he did come back and kinda changed his mind, at least moved off the scumread a little bit. But marv is dug in. He is not this certain about my alignment if he's town. There should be some doubt in him. I actually think Oats looks a lot better for this observation Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 01:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’m trying to wrap my head around this Palmar push by marv and what it means for marvs alignment.
I think Palmar has been way more townie this last like 5 pages and that only seems to solidify marvs read Like this is what I expect people to do who don't just want a kill. I don't think marv is bad, I just think he's scum. And if ANYONE buys this logic with me dead, that person is an infinite moron. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 00:10 marvellosity wrote:On March 06 2024 00:07 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 00:00 marvellosity wrote:
Do you know why I normally tr read you Palmar? No idea. Or well, I do have a guess that it's largely a tone read coupled with some parameters on how I think about the game. Honestly, doesn't really matter to me. But please do explain because I'm going to enjoy watching your backtrack if I flip before you this game. Unless.... You just wanna be my friend and give me a townread. You’re fairly close. And those things remain consistent despite your time allowances. And they’re absent here. So you’re mafia. And - i know you know I don’t push for you like this as mafia. As if you are town  I am putting myself in an incredibly difficult spot when the person I know best flips town. It’s a terrible play. The only logical explanation is I am town and I think you are mafia.
You know this. If you were town you’d be much more actively calling me stupid and all those normal things. But you’re not. This is not true.
This read is a lotta words for calling marv scum cause bad. I mean just read it, there’s no logical consistency for why Palmar has such a strong read on Marv based on the evidence he provides
On March 06 2024 19:53 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 19:47 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 19:44 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 06 2024 19:42 CopCake wrote:
Can someone link me the infamous "DP was mafia" game? Tbh I think dps filter is massive. So big I don't think he's ever had a filter this size before as mafia. If he's mafia he has taken it to heights since unknown. His recent game in which he fooled grack, rayn and idk who else, oats? Ok if you're town and you admit you suck as town, maybe listen to some experience. DP is very good as mafia and can be mafia here. But it's a huge game and we need to prioritize. We're not lynching people who are making sense, making good calls and leading town when we have plenty of lower hanging fruit to go after. You HAVE to be willing to be wrong to be good at town. You can always change your mind later. I was wrong so much last game and ended up back to back supporting lynch on mafia I had called town to win the game last game. And doing so I sheeped/supported people I had (wrongly) called mafia all game. Re-evaluating based on game state is NOT A BAD THING. Killing a town leader with a huge filter and good takes is just tinfoil hat bad play. No need to be a hero when there's administrative tasks to be finished first. If DP is mafia we'll cross that bridge when we get there. You're not using your time efficiently by chasing him at the moment. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. People are really afraid of "getting fooled" by good mafia, but the reality it's so much worse to get fooled by bad mafia. If let's say... TTS and DP are both mafia, I'd much rather be fooled by DP than TTS.
This is just a classic mafia advice post that pushes nothing but appears to be helpful by telling cake to move along
On March 07 2024 00:56 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I entirely dislike that you even have a thought in your head at any point of the game that me and marv are mafia together (which you had as per your posts). And i think it makes you mafia.
Again, I understand you disliking it, but now that I've reminded you that these kind of associative reads don't really matter to me as town, doesn't that change your stance?
This is after Palmar expresses a scumread on rayn, during their conversation. Does this sound like someone who thinks that the person he’s talking to is town? I don’t think so and I think it’s clear he tried to attempt to distance from the flip.
There’s just nothing from day 2 besides using bad math to justify lynching me, no engagement just checking boxes.
This was longer than I thought it was but yeah this is where my current read on Palmar is.
@copcake from what I can tell from the voting around Palmar going from lead lynch to no votes was marv dropping his read along with trfel getting wagoned on but it’s a mixed bag with slam and vivax on that wagon too so I’m not really sure if there was mafia involvement
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I woke up today thinking I am going to vote Oats and we were all wrong on him.
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On March 08 2024 12:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 12:26 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 12:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 12:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 12:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote:
Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity How serious are you about this vote? I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat. What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes? I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process Could you elaborate with examples please? Helps me TR people when people say more than "this is what I believe now because of stuff." Listing quotes and links and stuff. I know you did this before, and this take can use some of that IMO. Ok easy, first I have to read it under the assumptions vivax has which is that oats is town. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote:
I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller. This kinda stuff now reads like TMI if you assume oats is town. Thinks hes town but still wants to lynch him oh and by the way he might be the miller. Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 05:49 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment. Again, someone who's not going to be surprised if oats flips town when I first read through these didn't stand out very much, but looking again and trying to think what vivax might be thinkinng I can see where these would stand out. Of course I could be totally off base which is why I asked vivax to explain, I just wanna understand where hes coming from.
Don't have time to catch up before I pass out but wanted to thank you for posting these to back up what you're saying.
Overall I think MZ had a strong Day 2 so far because they took strong stances and backed them up with quotes. These stances can backfire later so to take that leap not just here but also earlier is solid work IMO, of own volition when laying low wouldn't have been outside the norm.
OOG PS about Russian stuff:
+ Show Spoiler +Почему вы выбрали Русский язык как свой <<major>>? Я родился с ним и не мог бы, никогда 😅
For those curious:
"Why did you pick Russian as your major? As a native speaker, I would never."
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On March 08 2024 15:30 Koshi wrote:
I woke up today thinking I am going to vote Oats and we were all wrong on him.
Lol what does this mean
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On March 08 2024 15:39 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 15:30 Koshi wrote:
I woke up today thinking I am going to vote Oats and we were all wrong on him. Lol what does this mean
He thinks you are town
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On March 08 2024 15:40 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 15:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 15:30 Koshi wrote:
I woke up today thinking I am going to vote Oats and we were all wrong on him. Lol what does this mean He thinks you are town
Actually maybe not
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On March 08 2024 15:03 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 14:50 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 14:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote:
Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way. At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point. Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that. Why is marv mafia? I can answer this tomorrow, I'm going to bed now but it's almost entirely a meta read based on effort and activity. I was hoping my mason with palmar would help sort some of that out but it's been rather useless so far.
In my recent experience this is a great way to mislynch him.
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