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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 00:32 GMT
#3641
On March 07 2024 09:29 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 08:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.

That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous.


Who do you want to lynch slam?


Also want this info. You're probably the least safe person tonight and "Practically town until future information" so I want to know what you think.


Also DP, is Ray right about you agreeing with my case being good dumb if you are town? I mean I think I'm brilliant but I also do like Ray and I am curious about your response to it.


I promise this before EON


I'd like to know your reads on cake and mebaby particularly.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 00:33 GMT
#3642
On March 07 2024 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia.


He cleared JAT for not wanting me mayor
He scumread cop although she did the same

He applied an universal reason for a townread selectively
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 07 2024 00:34 GMT
#3643
I am pretty sure I wont die. But for shit and giggles.

MZ
Rels
Jacob
Mebaby
TTS

Because I hope you are town VE.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 00:34 GMT
#3644
Not just that, he agreed when sandro used that reason to berate copcake
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 07 2024 00:34 GMT
#3645
On March 07 2024 08:26 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.

That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous.

Understandable. Hoping you engage more directly with the game itself, though; could be a good distraction to really involve yourself in scumhunting instead of (at least in my eyes) being mostly on the outskirts throwing random posts here and there.

This was in fact my intent- but I got scum read right out the gate as blue, got bitter, outed the role, and (rightly) lost all respect.

That can make direct scumhunting difficult to self- motivate toward.

But it is happening, if not publicly yet.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 00:36 GMT
#3646
On March 07 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia.


He cleared JAT for not wanting me mayor
He scumread cop although she did the same

He applied an universal reason for a townread selectively


Thanks, sometimes less is more.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 00:36 GMT
#3647
On March 07 2024 09:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:33 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2024 09:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia.


He cleared JAT for not wanting me mayor
He scumread cop although she did the same

He applied an universal reason for a townread selectively


Thanks, sometimes less is more.


Ironic from me but im trying to tone it down, lest this becomes imperial all over again.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 00:37 GMT
#3648
Jealous can you tell me in dot points why you did that?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 00:38 GMT
#3649
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
@ Jealous

Show nested quote +
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).


Tsk.Tsk.
But you put copcake into your scumreads.

You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort.

It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile...

On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?

I believe this makes you caught buddy.

Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this:

On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote:
I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.

Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.


So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing.

On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote:
Not just that:
Show nested quote +

On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?


This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT.

Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 00:43 GMT
#3650
On March 07 2024 09:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote:
As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel.
If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon.

I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as.

Sure but you didn’t mention this at all when making your vote, going back and saying that’s the case doesn’t mean that you were thinking about it when you made the vote

Here are the two posts showing that I basically followed Koshi's logic, which is what I am claiming. Even has a reiteration of my JAT logic to boot:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=128#2551
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=130#2589
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 00:45 GMT
#3651
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.

Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:

Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.

Or he's not and one of those is actually town.

Just putting it out there.


Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?

Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 00:55 GMT
#3652
On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.

Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:

Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.

Or he's not and one of those is actually town.

Just putting it out there.


Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?

Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?

Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:

Palmar
JAT
rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)

My perception of the following did not:

VE
DMB
MZ
Rels

Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.

So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).

As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 00:57 GMT
#3653
Sorry correction:

Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that Rels' post saying they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels was bad.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 00:57 GMT
#3654
On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.

Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:

Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.

Or he's not and one of those is actually town.

Just putting it out there.


Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?

Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?

Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:

Palmar
JAT
rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)

My perception of the following did not:

VE
DMB
MZ
Rels

Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.

So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).

As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.


This post seems entirely reasonable vivax.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 00:59 GMT
#3655
On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.

Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:

Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.

Or he's not and one of those is actually town.

Just putting it out there.


Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?

Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?

Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:

Palmar
JAT
rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)

My perception of the following did not:

VE
DMB
MZ
Rels

Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.

So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).

As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.


It‘s a bit in contrast to this very recent opinion

On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it.


Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 01:00 GMT
#3656
This is the post I was referring to:

On March 06 2024 19:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
Meh on Trfel being lynched, I would have lynched over half the game before him

Don't like this take but it may be just egoposting from Rels.

I didn't think Trfel was gonna flip mafia and I didn't vote him. I explained why I didn't think he'd flip mafia.

But I'd be lying straight up if I claimed something like this. For someone who has seemingly been so little involved in the game you're claiming an awful deep understanding of the game to object to what is essentially a diet policy lynch.

"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 01:02 GMT
#3657
I‘m thinking Palmar + JAT might have both been mafia yesterday.

Marv + Sandro surviving or not will clear that up.
If they both die I‘m eating that NK wifom.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 07 2024 01:05 GMT
#3658
I think palmar and JAT both look way better
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10228 Posts
March 07 2024 01:06 GMT
#3659
On March 07 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 09:55 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 09:45 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote:
Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.

Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:

Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.

Or he's not and one of those is actually town.

Just putting it out there.


Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?

Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?

Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:

Palmar
JAT
rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)

My perception of the following did not:

VE
DMB
MZ
Rels

Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.

So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).

As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.


It‘s a bit in contrast to this very recent opinion

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it.



Well, I haven't gone through the actual filters yet, so that might change my perception. Again, my perception of rayn improved due to their activity overnight re: CopCake, but as I stated in my long-winded response to rayn in the first place (link for reference) I haven't seen enough to make me think of rayn as now more town than scum at this moment.

If anything, I think that keeping him around over would lead to better things for discussion- and analysis-wise than VE, DMB, TTS, and CopCake, which should thus be more favorable for the town.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 07 2024 01:07 GMT
#3660
On March 07 2024 10:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I think palmar and JAT both look way better


Alright.

I gather that you prefer cop and dmb?

Any other three that come to your mind ?
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