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On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed. He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth. I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town. I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads. I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting. I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ?
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
As I see it you had Palmar as scummiest of the three but you avoided bringing him up again. But you could have in accordance with what others wanted. I know I might have saved a mafia by not wanting him dead, but I also committed. You didn't when he was the closest option to JAT and Trfel which you found scummier than the two in my understanding.
My conclusion on Palmar: "I just don’t feel as much conviction about it and don’t want to jump on the boat when there are people who I find more suspicious/less beneficial to the game."
Let's remove JAT from the equation briefly, due to what I just wrote above. Let's then compare the above statement to what I wrote about Trfel:
"I would appreciate people pointing out exactly what was so bad about their conduct on D1 because I'm not seeing it, though to be fair they have been less active for a bit and it's been dozens of pages since I read something they wrote and I caught up in one big chunk."
Koshi then made a case on Trfel that I could understand, and I view Koshi as very town. So, I think that is a sufficient explanation for why I parked on Trfel; if that isn't enough conviction for you, then I guess it is what it is. By my estimation, that is enough, given the circumstances (D1 + catch-up).
As for not pushing rayn and cop instead, one can let it slide but you actually got handed a decent amount of trust anticipation based on your good looking list, initially. Why the expectation that you shouldn't have had thread pull?
Hmm, I guess because I was just recently on people's policy lynch lists (and thus scum reads), and rightfully so due to my inactivity? I don't expect strong, experienced mafia players to be so fickle as to go from seeing me as inactive!town at best and inactive!scum at worst to sheep my D1 reads that I myself called shitty D1 reads. Instead of trying to shift the narrative to "no no, we need to lynch Rayn/CopCake," I'd rather spend the time I had left until vote to understand "why Trfels or JAT," which is what I did.
Do you not make anything of Rayn first pushing Palmar now backing off while Palmar is doing exactly the opposite?
Hmmm. I can see it as potentially scum!Rayn trying to push a lynch on Palmar then backing off of it when they saw it wasn't happening any time soon, and town!Palmar catching onto this and/or having other reasons for scumreading Rayn. However, I'll have to take a look at their filters to see what the actual timing and pacing of what you said is. Would rather see it with my own eyes than take your word for it.
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On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc. You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia.
Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia?
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I do agree that Jake is way less suspicious than I am used to.
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@ Jealous
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk.
But you put copcake into your scumreads.
You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort.
Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy.
Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote:
Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT.
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On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:
[quote]You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea. If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia?
Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort.
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On March 07 2024 07:50 DarthPunk wrote:
VE are you around?
I'm at work, Ill list post before dawn that's all I got bby
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On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now"
Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen….
Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about
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On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about
Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy.
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On March 07 2024 09:09 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
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If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds. There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia? Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort.
The problem is I think aside from the lack of suspicion (which I think IS alignment indicative for JSL) lots of the stuff that seems to be pinging you is just how he plays.
He is pretty unreadable for that reason.
The thing that makes me think the koshi thing could be town indicative is that there is no reason for him to post that and make the effort as mafia, he was town reading Koshi (probably correctly)
It just seems really out there that THAT would be the push he would make as mafia.
I also just don't think he would be this engaged with the game as mafia.
What I don't really like about the push on Koshi is that I gave him a bit of encouragement to pursue it and he just didn't really go anywhere with it.
Basically I am weighing his high level of engagement vs his low level of achievement that you correctly identified.
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On March 07 2024 09:14 VisceraEyes wrote:I'm at work, Ill list post before dawn that's all I got bby
Ok fair that is basically my plan as well.
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On March 07 2024 09:20 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:09 sandroba wrote:On March 07 2024 09:00 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 08:52 sandroba wrote:So this last post from JSL saying absolutely nothing of value about anything, has prompted me to filter dive. What I found is that JSL has not taken a single bold stance on anyone when trying to find suspicious behaviour. In the few instances where some suspicion is cast, it's always giving people outs in a very non confrontational way, basically avoiding taking any hard stances. A glaring example, amongst many, is this list post: On March 05 2024 17:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 05 2024 17:06 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 15:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Also I am a sucker for a good list post. You should make one then 😛 I should but I'm too tired after work while sick to actually go filter diving and my partner is saying "I must give them attention" so I'll just vibe post it. 1) raynpelikoneet Town although has gone quiet after the whole Vivax vs him as Mayor thing could be sleeping. 2) Oatsmaster I thought he was fixated on dumb early but I didn't think much of it. I thought it would be unusual given my reputation to attack me early if he was Mafia. Not that I'm good early but I've been pretty attack dog high volume doesn't die poster. 3) DarthPunk DP has cast a spell on me and I have turned into his little sheep dog no questions, this said he sounds super reasonable and even if he was mafia he would still be making the "right town plays" in terms of decision making so I'm not worried. 4) Vivax Super town now, I haven't pinned Vivax as the one to make the hero play (as mafia) 5) sandroba Seems reasonable and logical tbh 6) Trfel As above with sand however as pointed out by others meta is different and has kinda slipped away quietly for a while. 7) marvellosity I said this before in my other posts I can't read marv early and is backed by two masons right now. 8) Jealous Dislike inactive 9) Meapak_Ziphh get the same vibes as koshi where it's sort of been a whirlwind of activity around them I can't actually place once the dust settles 10) Palmar Yet to see any legendary behaviour 11) justanothertownie Just another lurker 12) die_meatbaby I like dmb just the vibe is right from last game when they were town. 13) CopCake Like the "Cheating" stuff is kinda townish but I did get the impression that at least someone is being supicious of vivax because "it's what town would do" not because they actually are. I guess my strongest mafia read based on evidence while having that nagging feeling of being wrong. 14) JacobStrangelove Seems like your standard chug along until day 3 town player where things become more clear. 15) Hapahauli Hapabout a post 16) Iamperfection I didn't like iamp's style until his list post then it redeemed him a bit. 17) Koshi See Meapak, only addition is they didn't jump on my bait but also last time they did as mafia did not go well. (although that was potentially unrelated) 18) ToTheStars Possibly understandably overwhelmed by the filter but I almost can't blame them but at the same time as a policy/Mayor hit feel fine with it. 19) VisceraEyes Similar to my weird stance on DP this game have almost decided to policy not lynch VE 20) Rels Hasn't raised suspicions 21) Alakaslam A less chaotic chaos player (out of the chezuinu and other style players) don't have a read just gonna null for now. Maybe slightly town. Yeah I guess in hindsight I don't have many mafia reads early. After a hit rate of 0 until late game every game though I have decided to be less aggressive. I tend to like to find who's most town then from then who's least coherently town to find the mafia rather than finding the suspicious behaviour outright as I keep jumping on shadows. Even his highest suspicion has a caveat of a "nagging feeling of being wrong". He pre-empts any case and posts a case on himself: On March 05 2024 18:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:Don't worry I'll filter myself. The case on JSL On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. This is extremely sus. Jacob has never been known to put his ego aside and risk losing to either DP or TTT. On March 04 2024 12:13 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trfel is mafia doesn't know it's his birthday, very sus.... implies he lied when joining. :p Fluff posting On March 04 2024 12:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Vivax wrote:On March 04 2024 12:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
I can chat also around. This said I'm going to act as if you're never mafia (unless you paint yourself red and dance in the blood of your enemies in the street) as this does two things. it stops me from tunneling you to death and being scared of losing to you and saves my ego if you are mafia and win because I decided to not focus on you at the start. 0/10 you didn‘t write fanfic where DP sodomized himself This will come at some point no doubt.... on a side note will probably vote for mayor someone I've played with before just because I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I don't know. (I don't trust my day one reads on anyone I know either tbh but ya know...) On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. Wishy washy has no faith in himself to come up with reads. Setting up to be non committal day 1 On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time). May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor? Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started. Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before. Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day. Ahh shit this makes so much more sense when it's read as second in votes for lynch not second in votes for Mayor... I thought this was like some 5d chess bait post hence the fisherman comment. Intentionally misreads Meapak to drum up activity On March 04 2024 12:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
This said if you make me Mayor I WILL vote for the second in Mayor votes just because that seems very funny. More Fluff and not funny Town JSL is funny. On March 04 2024 12:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:27 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 04 2024 12:21 JacobStrangelove wrote:
@oats I'm not my reads only come good at like day 4 (in small games cause I suck) I might be better off with a randomiser until then.
Because he's a fisherman. Fishermen make the best Mayors. This really just sounds like you want no part of actually playing the game Hey at least I'm reading your posts. What are your thoughts so far? I think I'm running into the same thing I run into every game where my highly flowing style is being taken (and I mean this with no offence) slightly autistically but I'm not worried about it yet because I don't think mafia is stupid enough to fight me early. Implies mafia won’t attack him early to discourage town for attacking him early. Ahh wait that’s technically hmm that doesn’t work actually On March 04 2024 12:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 04 2024 12:48 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:42 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote:On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
[quote]There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works. Exactly. Dumb post from MZ. Mafia dumb or dumb dumb? Not sure, its a whole lot of words about not much at all. I certainly don't want him to be mayor, any rate. Both mayoral candidates have been underwhelming thus far Wait you've forgotten about me! Also MZ sure trusting no one person but if it's like 16 /5 and you trust yourself it's now 15/5 is that better odds than day one second town lynch? Actually probably not and it at least gets someone town doesn't like gone but in your own words defend yourself! I wrote it and I’m not even sure what this shit was about. On March 04 2024 13:00 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Well as someone who also didn't know how the game worked (mayor election/voting for mayor) I didn't talk about the stuff I didn't know about until I went back and read the op and it was brought up and I am a classic case of just ask so I think there is some credence to being sceptical of a precice player just going disco and throwing questions when there are answers if you look into the thread.
After all this never really pressured oats master very much. On March 04 2024 13:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
OMG JSL Trfel and I am perf must be scum team they all decided to say the same thing at the same time. Omg even says he’s part of the scum team must be mafia. On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet. Says this but then flip flips on DMB later On March 04 2024 22:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:
oh also going to vote Koshi just because will explain later when I wake up. Pushes random lynches seeing what will stick. Okay tbh I kinda petered out at this point. Now some people found this to be a a town tell, and upon superficial analysis this might seem correct. Townies are in general more bold and impulsive than mafia. But in this case there is no town motivation for making such a post, and there is plenty of mafia motivation: it is disarming, it generates some wifom, it can be seen as "too scummy to be scum". It's very bold at the very least, but this boldness is not seen from JSL in any town motivated actions such as calling people suspicious or changing tracks completely all of a sudden. JSL has done nothing but fill up space in the thread, posting a lot of fluff, lots of commentary leading nowhere and lost of non confrontational stances. There is only boldness in mafia oriented behaviour, which is why JSL is mafia. Do you think that JSL would filter dive Koshi and then make that whole big post about a scumslip and subsequent case as mafia? Yes, the content of that post is very underwhelming. There is a lot of pointless commentary and the main callout is of a scum slip which is semantics and a widely used way of phrasing things even when you don't know the alignment of the person in quesiton. So yeah, looks like a low effort mafia post pretending to be high effort. The problem is I think aside from the lack of suspicion (which I think IS alignment indicative for JSL) lots of the stuff that seems to be pinging you is just how he plays. He is pretty unreadable for that reason. The thing that makes me think the koshi thing could be town indicative is that there is no reason for him to post that and make the effort as mafia, he was town reading Koshi (probably correctly) It just seems really out there that THAT would be the push he would make as mafia. I also just don't think he would be this engaged with the game as mafia. What I don't really like about the push on Koshi is that I gave him a bit of encouragement to pursue it and he just didn't really go anywhere with it. Basically I am weighing his high level of engagement vs his low level of achievement that you correctly identified.
FWIW I put a LOT of stock in engagement levels as a way to find mafia.
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On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote:
As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel.
If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon.
I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as.
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On March 07 2024 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy.
The point is that it doesn’t enter her mind at all that that’s the situation.
She barely talks about either of them, just randomly starts ranting at me and DP.
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On March 07 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.
That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous. Who do you want to lynch slam?
I'll get there, but Iamperfection beat me to it.
As much as he dislikes my play, at least he has a follower (this game).
I have found him to have a more than level head, and multidimensionality that makes his reasoning very secure.
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On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.
IIRC Wave of Shadow and Geript should have honorable mention but
Well
My memory is pretty generous
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On March 07 2024 09:23 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 08:39 Vivax wrote:
As for Sandro your enthusiasm about his post casing JAT is simply conflicting with the vote on Trfel. Additionally he was very much not wanting to kill Trfel.
If you say you wanted to sheep your townreads and you go all 'woah, this guy is killing it' it'd look better if you voted with him and not the counterwagon. I can think that someone is trying to push the game forward, is trying to scumhunt, and without necessarily agreeing with their reads or their vote. I agreed with the vote made by a different townread of mine (Koshi, you, marv) instead. Simple as.
Sure but you didn’t mention this at all when making your vote, going back and saying that’s the case doesn’t mean that you were thinking about it when you made the vote
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On March 07 2024 08:14 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.
That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous. Who do you want to lynch slam? Also want this info. You're probably the least safe person tonight and "Practically town until future information" so I want to know what you think. Also DP, is Ray right about you agreeing with my case being good dumb if you are town? I mean I think I'm brilliant but I also do like Ray and I am curious about your response to it.
I promise this before EON
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Vivax can you just tell me in dot points why you think jealous is mafia.
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On March 07 2024 09:27 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 09:18 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer. Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again. It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me. (I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in) Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post. Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense. On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH Rels is also cute I feel like we need a girls chat OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun. On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip. See here "I don´t really saw you making a wagon." From my perspective you aren't making a case "It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever." You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this. "Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia" You're not looking for mafia you are mafia. "here just for a reasonable town lynch" As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch "where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..." Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip. This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now" Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen…. Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy. The point is that it doesn’t enter her mind at all that that’s the situation. She barely talks about either of them, just randomly starts ranting at me and DP.
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