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On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
1 - At the time I voted you, the choice was between Trfel and you, and I somewhat townread Trfel
2 - Not voting you because of an associative reason D1 is dumb. I don't have a team comprising X number of mafia in my head, not at this stage of the game
Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.
???? Why does anything you wrote there point to this?
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On March 07 2024 11:43 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 11:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous? Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them. What's your take on rayn if you have one btw? See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard. I think she did say something but only something minor after your case. Which I'll actually probably have to convince you I'm town later now that I went back through trifel and he thought you were town.I'm not concerned right now though I want to see if anyone else bites and if so how they do it.
Jacob you seem like a nice guy and I'd enjoy playing with you if I thought you were town but honestly man, the way you sheep here is really bothering me. In particular the bolded part. You've been putting soft pressure my way for a while but now that you realize the flipped town called me green you're waffling on it (also timely that jealous said he agreed with a lot of my reads). Your lynch vote you claim was based on voting with players you thought were town so you came off the dude who you had previously wanted dead.
It just feels like you want to be on the "right side" of whatever the current thread sentiment is.
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On March 06 2024 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:Rels: On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time It's a stark difference to his level last game. He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out. But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else. Will try to filter JAT before I have to go I mean you could just go LOL I really have a hard time understanding this: On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"
????? I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try? He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this: On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though. On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this: On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)
Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"? On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction: On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.
That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads. Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite. On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk. Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right? On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote
But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
Am I the only one seeing this or what? Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say. @Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation. So how do you? He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects. Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities? What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that? To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game. Caring about what exactly? Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me. He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind. I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR. I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful. I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now. No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia. This is actually fair point.
?? Really?
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Reads from the S.L.A.M. fish! Yay! I really ought to ask to have my icon changed to a nuclear silo add-on...
Ahem. Of course, much of my incomprehensible nature comes from the fact that 90%of the time, I am phone posting. This has been true since 2012.
Please forgive any typos. I will keep trolling to a minimum.
Unfortunately, I have the random access memory of a gaming pc hopped up on PCI SSD hardware, but the hard memory of a commodore 64- so, what sticks sticks and what doesn't doesn't, so a lot of what and not a whole lot of why. This is almost as unpleasant for me as it is for you. I want to please, but I basically cannot.
That being said, reads!
By popular demand,
Die_meatbaby: Null to town. As Palmar sees me, so also I see Die_meatbaby. I can't actually read her that well. But whenever people have pedantic bullshit reasons for lynching, I get the heebie weenies. I have had them when lynching scum and switched off, so this feeling is unreliable. But dude Oats it's largely ESL and new and most game experience for her is with Slam, Chezinu, Copcake, and like, more trolls plus maybe Palmar and Marv just kinda dominating until Rayn starts yelling at them with her partner taking potshots as an equal opportunity confuser on a level to make me blush.
CopCake: similarly, her recent games have been full of trolls and gods with no Romans in between. That being said, she knows what Rome is like. She has seen it.
I think people forget that she is now doing as Romans do.
Null town.
For me, by the way, Null implies weak feeling. I can be unsure strongly, you will see when.
Darthpunk. That's when. There are times when I am certain he is scum, and times I am certain he is town. I can't call him Null and feel right. But I don't know which way ti call it.
Iamperfection is town.
Oats is pedantic. Pure unsure strongly.
Jealous is almost certainly town, or power scum. I tend to the former.
Rayn is lock town.
Marv likely town.
Please listen to iamp and lynch VisceraEyes. If for nothing else for pressure but ai think something else is there.
Shit 655 another post may be coming
So give some grace.
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Ok for sandro I think of tayn Marc sand he could be scum
Marv is probably town but he us middle of thost three
Shit I should starred this earlier
Ok to the sky is polic y I think
Palmar looks better
Why are people lynch jat I don't know gives my townread pause
Crap who else
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Rels looked food
I didn't remember though for much maybe scum there idk
Oats I am not sure he us pedantic
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I can't remember who else us in the game
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On March 07 2024 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:43 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 11:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous? Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them. What's your take on rayn if you have one btw? See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard. I think she did say something but only something minor after your case. Which I'll actually probably have to convince you I'm town later now that I went back through trifel and he thought you were town.I'm not concerned right now though I want to see if anyone else bites and if so how they do it. Jacob you seem like a nice guy and I'd enjoy playing with you if I thought you were town but honestly man, the way you sheep here is really bothering me. In particular the bolded part. You've been putting soft pressure my way for a while but now that you realize the flipped town called me green you're waffling on it (also timely that jealous said he agreed with a lot of my reads). Your lynch vote you claim was based on voting with players you thought were town so you came off the dude who you had previously wanted dead. It just feels like you want to be on the "right side" of whatever the current thread sentiment is.
Oh I previously wanted them both dead so there was no love lost on which one I was voting for. I was just seeing a counterwagon very quickly 4 votes and was paranoid about the scum team voting to save their teammate. in hindsight isn't the case but that was the reasoning at the time.
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M_Z had a decent reason to have spread vote Oh yeah look at CoP cak maybe I was wrong
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A few things:
Slam, Vivax will work out by themselves. Caliin them mafia is completely useless.
Lynch Palmar, lynch VE. After D3 there is noone left to do that anymore and people AGAIN let them slide bewcause noone listen to dead people.
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On March 07 2024 11:58 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 11:43 JacobStrangelove wrote:On March 07 2024 11:37 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 11:29 Jealous wrote:On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous? Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them. What's your take on rayn if you have one btw? See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard. I think she did say something but only something minor after your case. Which I'll actually probably have to convince you I'm town later now that I went back through trifel and he thought you were town.I'm not concerned right now though I want to see if anyone else bites and if so how they do it. Jacob you seem like a nice guy and I'd enjoy playing with you if I thought you were town but honestly man, the way you sheep here is really bothering me. In particular the bolded part. You've been putting soft pressure my way for a while but now that you realize the flipped town called me green you're waffling on it (also timely that jealous said he agreed with a lot of my reads). Your lynch vote you claim was based on voting with players you thought were town so you came off the dude who you had previously wanted dead. It just feels like you want to be on the "right side" of whatever the current thread sentiment is. Oh I previously wanted them both dead so there was no love lost on which one I was voting for. I was just seeing a counterwagon very quickly 4 votes and was paranoid about the scum team voting to save their teammate. in hindsight isn't the case but that was the reasoning at the time.
That's literally not the reason you gave when you made your vote
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On March 07 2024 11:59 Alakaslam wrote:
JSL IDK
Dang who else
me
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if i die and ve dosnt post his read post kill him 1000000%
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Darthpunk's last will and testament.
Basically I have been trying to sort people since the flips and my reads have been changing a bit. but i'll post a brief summary here as guidance and reads.
And also so that i can prevent what I think are some of the biggest potential errors moving forward.
Do not lynch tier:
Palmar: He has looked really town since he started playing in the second part of day 1, in addition to my original reasons for not wanting him to be lynched (mindmeld with sandro, emotional congruence, effort to post reads when all was looking doomed) I think he has continued to look good, I find myself agreeing with his perspectives, I see hints of trolling, I think him and marv are vibing.
The interaction with cake's shit takes was really townie to me.
IT IS IMPORTANT YOU DON"T LYNCH PALMAR- can't stress this enough, no idea why people are getting stuck on small shit that doesn't matter, for example, rayn if you are town, it is well known that palmar doesn't do associative reads. The whole mason shit is a useless direction. This is probably the biggest throw for town imo.
Sandro
Is just getting down to business scumhunting and sorting. I think he is the best player to sheep this game if you are lost.
Oatsmaster
His play this game reminds me of his play in the last game where he was town, he is being smart, pushing in good directions and generally looks super town to me.
Vivax
Been discussed to death, he is the town JK in my opinion.
Perfection
Looked town all game pretty much, some of his takes I think are wrong, I think he looked really town around the lynch.
Also his scum play was terribad last time so I don't think this is that.
Probably town tier
Koshi
I was debating putting him in the tier above, because he has looked really townie all game, and dramatically different to his mafia game, which was really lackluster.
I don't think he pushes marv and rayn in the way he did as mafia.
There are a couple of things that give me pause to him being 'lock' town, first of all is a post where he is aggressively pushing rayn and then kind of completely reverses
On March 05 2024 20:37 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 20:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Thankfully i can play the game with marv, it's much more enjoyable than this thread. I admit I came in too strong. But rereading it, it was too strong but luckily not over the top. But it is fair you got annoyed. Seeing my case and my post you must understand why I can't let you be Mayor right? It's just not enough to earn it. Vivax did you dirty by claiming but there should not be a competition about the Mayor today. Can you vote vivax? You are 99.98% on him. I am interested in your reads on JAT and Rels. Just for my sake. Because I will not be able to read them today.
I think it makes it clear the aggression was at least somewhat ingenuine.
I still think he is town but yeah not as confident as I was, also don't like the casually mentioning me as a possible mafia candidate after it seemed like I was lock town all game, but maybe that was NK wifom. :D
I am waiting for a 'smart' koshi moment and push which I haven't seen yet.
Rayn
Honestly this was a hard one for me to sort, there are times when i thought he was town and other times where I thought he was mafia.
I still don't really understand the way he has been interacting with me this game, it felt 'different' than normal. I thought it made him mafia, but currently I am putting it down to the fact he just thinks I am bad.
I think his best moments came this night when he went into 'solver mode' with JAT. and I think he had a really good push on cake, and subsequent ideas on DMB which I think are likely correct.
So town, the palmar/rayn shit started looking very TvT to me too. so there is that.
I don't think he is as correct as he assumes (like every game) but town.
Slam
Un CC'd cop (fuck you VE  ) also looked town around the end of day chaos.
Marv
Has been playing a solid game so far, in the back of my mind I always think he is mafia for engagement tells, but when I was wrong last game I decided to shelve that as old meta. I think he is mafia he will slip up later, It's kind of weird for town!marv to not call me mafia but i don't really think he is mafia either. Biggest town tell for him I think is his penchant for defending weaker scummy players like copcake.
Also the shit with trfel, where he was really sad about reading the lynch, and the town read on hapa, both those pinged me as genuine and townie.
Possible mafia/possible town
Rels:
He has looked logical when he posts, but his wasted vote and push on palmar was a big red flag where it was useless and he wasn't really trying that hard to take thread control and change the lynch.
lack of investment could be explained by IRL matters, but I also think Rels could be mafia.
Also I remember him being WAY more aggressive as town. Like old school DP levels of aggression. Here he is just reasonable and meh.
MZ
I feel like he has been flying under the radar a bit, I liked his push on Cake, I liked his push on JSL less.
Calling me never lynch tier could be a possible pocketing attempt but also could be just because I tend to call him town when noone else does and we have vibed a few times this game.
Needs to do more for sure.
Jealous
Most likely to be scum out of these. i liked the open and transparent reasoning in his list post. I think he has looked worse ever since. The formulaic waffle of both sides of an argument is easy to just
go through the motions with as mafia. The way he is hard defending me from people also pings me a bit. I can defend myself, why is he not considering those arguments for why I am mafia? Could be a pocketing attempt.
TTS: Lurker.
JAT:
Looked really bad for the reasons outlined earlier by sandro and palmar day one.
I just don't think it makes sense he is mafia if palmar and trfel were town, he did this thing where he waited to swap to trefl even when i threatened to lynch him for it.
Doesn't really make sense for mafia to do that.
His posting has been looking good recently in its own right, particularly when interacting with Marv/Rayn
Mafia tier
DMB: The vote and case on me gave me pause for a bit, because of the WIFOM argument of why she would do it, but then refusing to give reads refusing to engage, talking about how exhausted I made her, all points to mafia, and then she actually immediately USED the WIFOM argument in her own defence.
Basically I think her and Cake are partnered, their push on me is basically the same, and they have waffled on their reads of each other. Kind of calling each other scummy and kind of not, and then kind of ignoring each other, but they both have the same top scum read since early on so none of that is natural or normal if they are both town. Looks like classic distancing to me.
I think DMB is showing the same traits this game as her previous game where she just tunnelled palmar IIRC and couldn't really form any other reads about the game.
Same thing here, I was trying to see if she had thought about anyone else, but no.
In her world 26 page DP is scum but she doesn't have the ability to scum read anyone else.
I don;t buy that at all.
Cake
I am running out of time so I can't grab the posts, but I think rayn was on the right track here at night.
She apparently has 4 scum reads but can only talk about me, same thing happened in her last scum read, just got tunnelled on 1-2 players and didn;t look elsewhere.
I gave her space to see if she would do something else, but she ended up just talking about me some more, all the things that apply to dmb re:cake above apply to cake re: dmb here.
I think marv is being super unhelpful by defending her when she is slipping really really hard.
JSL:
Lack of suspicion, didnt do anything with the encouragement on the koshi slip.
Soft defending DMB.
All the stuff sandro posted.
Also I forgot he told me before he would be engaged as mafia, so the engagement is a null tell for him.
VE
I really hate this but he just looks scummy and disengaged. I hope I am wrong so I don;t have to lynch him but I don;t think I am wrong, I think he is just mafia which sucks.
Ok one minute to go.
GL if I don;t see you on the other side.
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On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Regardless of what I think about cake, but it seems to me that he picks weaker players to annoy until they make a mistake because of beeing annoyd and then he can push the wagon that comes up. Why he didn´t do that do players like Koshi, marv or rayn. They wouldn´t fear Dp.
This is so Tmi it’s crazy, she knows that these players are town or what??
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Sandroba the Vanilla Town has been killed
raynpelikoneet the Jack of All Trades has been killed.
The day ends on Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
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