The why was my thread closed topic
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Manifesto7
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Folca
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+ Show Spoiler + nah im jk Good Website feedback solution though.. Although topics like this are just obvious ![]() http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86110 | ||
Nitrogen
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On January 21 2009 14:27 Nitrogen wrote: nice. except a lot of newer people have no idea about this section, so they probably won't ask here... That suits me just fine. | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
Fascism in Russia? That thread was obviously closed because Meanifesto7 is an Evil Communist™ irrefutable proof: ![]() Would you use that icon? Are you are communist? Since the answer to both questions is obviously No, we can conclude that Meanifesto7 is indead a Communist and thus closed that thread to protect his facist complices in Russia. q.e.d. | ||
Fontong
United States6454 Posts
I've made mostly PL threads only so far, those are about as far from close-bait as it gets. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78372 i just want to use this thread... it beckons to me | ||
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thedeadhaji
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On January 22 2009 15:02 Nitrogen wrote: WHY WAS MY PHYSICS JOKE BLOG CLOSED??/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78372 i just want to use this thread... it beckons to me god fucking damn it I chuckled. Btw Nitrogen, apparently we live near each other Ooa | ||
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Carnac
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
but seriously why closed? | ||
Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On January 22 2009 15:02 Nitrogen wrote: WHY WAS MY PHYSICS JOKE BLOG CLOSED??/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=78372 i just want to use this thread... it beckons to me Wow that blog actually taught me something. I didn't know that alternate meaning of vector, had to google define... TL educational? | ||
Raithed
China7078 Posts
On January 23 2009 10:39 CharlieMurphy wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86507 I demand reopening as I have more to vent. but seriously why closed? some poster you are, read the OP. its almost as bad as linking an url in the OP. its just two words, couldve made some effort in making the OP better. butttt thats just me, im not a mod. | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
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Flaccid
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Hot_Bid
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On January 21 2009 18:22 MasterOfChaos wrote: Breaking News: Team liquid conspiracy discovered Fascism in Russia? That thread was obviously closed because Meanifesto7 is an Evil Communist™ irrefutable proof: ![]() Would you use that icon? Are you are communist? Since the answer to both questions is obviously No, we can conclude that Meanifesto7 is indead a Communist and thus closed that thread to protect his facist complices in Russia. q.e.d. hahaha ^^ meanifesto | ||
BackHo
New Zealand400 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
Hi, I'll sound like an idiot but here how it goes... Was this blog closed due to the fact it's a duplicate or it just looks like thrash nobody reads... hehe thanks | ||
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vGl-CoW
Belgium8305 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On March 12 2009 10:40 BackHo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89269 I know the reason it was closed but seriously, the topics in the General Forum bore the fuck out of me and religious debates are interesting. This thread should be reopened. Read any random religion thread for more than two pages and you'll see why | ||
HonestTea
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I would like to have my blog back please | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
that guy really is a douche | ||
kidd
United States2848 Posts
On March 27 2009 03:51 CTStalker wrote: yeah, i would've loved to see psyonic_reaver's blog about attackzerg grow too that guy really is a douche I couldn't agree more. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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ColdLava
Canada1673 Posts
I couldn't disagree more -_- God why do we all have this attitude of ridiculing people and trying to put people down in front of the whole goddamn forum? Attackzerg is a very nice person for your info. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On March 26 2009 01:19 Licmyobelisk wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=90139 Hi, I'll sound like an idiot but here how it goes... Was this blog closed due to the fact it's a duplicate or it just looks like thrash nobody reads... hehe thanks I think i closed it, and if it was me, it was because it was a duplicate. | ||
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BackHo
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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scwizard
United States1195 Posts
On March 12 2009 10:40 BackHo wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89269 I know the reason it was closed but seriously, the topics in the General Forum bore the fuck out of me and religious debates are interesting. This thread should be reopened. If you're really interested in that sort of thing, every single other internet forum out there has a religious debate thread. | ||
ahrara_
Afghanistan1715 Posts
as far as i can tell all the looking for a game threads are totally inactive. for people getting back into starcraft and who have lost touch with their old clanmates etc. it's really hard to find new people to game with regularly. i tried a couple of different things to find people to game with before i resorted to posting my blog looking for D/D- partners. i understand chill's concern that if this became a trend, then you'd have to end up dealing with 4-5 of these threads a day, but even before you guys were closing these kind of threads in the blog section, it never seemed too big of a problem. besides, it's the blog section -- i specifically put my thread there coz i didn't want it clogging up broodwar or general. anyway, im hoping you guys can afford a lil more leniency regarding these threads, or maybe come up with another solution like stickying a "looking for games" thread. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
i'm definitely late on this realization but congrats ^^ | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
I don't see why my topic was closed and why my OP was nuked either. Considering that many times people have trolled a forum just because of a thread. There was that girlz forum that got trolled, that vote for hot chick contest, Klazart book forums, etc. And besides that, I'm sure not many people would even troll it anyways, it was just the title of my thread which showed all the other terrible threads on this sexhelp forum or something. PS- I didn't even save the links either so now its lost forever. Comedy gold. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
I'm not exactly sure why the blog got banned. I wanted to upload a teaser (2-3 Replays) when I got home, but right now I'm at work and I just felt like writing a blog. Is this kind of a placeholder for coming posts and got closed because of that? May I reopen/repost it with replays in it? Thanks in advance. Edit: THm... its open again <_<° | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
1) Instead of waiting for content, someone posts a blog about what they're going to do in the future. 1a) They never do it. 1b) They do it, but they realize that if they just update the OP, they won't get as many views as they did the first time because it isn't a fresh thread. 2) They open a new thread. So, what was the point of the original thread? Your thread is more borderline because it actually says something, but I really wish you had just waited until you had at least one replay to put up. Then it would be a great blog. As is, there's not really any content in there. It's "I'm playing a bo51, I'm playing really great lately, I have no replays." You don't really go into any depth in any of the topics. That's why I closed it. | ||
XinRan
United States530 Posts
Does it not work? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Also, does susie have admin rights? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Didn't close your thread myself, but a list of what people are pissed off about right now doesnt generate any discussion or add anything to the forum. | ||
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cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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omninmo
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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omninmo
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On May 15 2009 07:51 404.Nitrogen wrote: here i'll just answer your question: it's down like, failed-down.. or under maintenance? | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
The other day, I made a thread in General about a CNN video news story on a man who punched a blind woman on a bus. I noticed it was gone today...not just closed, but gone. Trying to access it through the "my posts" page lead to a page that says, "not enough rights" or something to that extent. I'm just purely curious, as I thought the thread had turned pretty funny with all the trolling and derailing... | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
it is in the closed section o.o | ||
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MasterOfChaos
Germany2896 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
Now that I can read the posts I can see why it got closed, lol. -____- | ||
Nitrogen
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Carnac
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In any case - there are valid threads which should remain in the forum they were posted in, but people shouldn't reply to it anymore. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
i don't really understand though, why would you want to leave it in there but have no one else reply? because it won't be too useful because it will just be bumped down after a few days (depending on forum) | ||
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Carnac
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On June 01 2009 10:03 Carnac wrote: The forum is also a sort of archive. Moving useful threads to the closed forum lessens the archival value of the forum. ah i see. and yeah, i agree on removing the text box thing. | ||
SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
On June 01 2009 10:03 Carnac wrote: The forum is also a sort of archive. Moving useful threads to the closed forum lessens the archival value of the forum. yea I always thought about that. Good to see its implemented now. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On June 01 2009 11:44 SonuvBob wrote: Ok reply box shouldn't appear on locked threads now. ![]() | ||
CharlieMurphy
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Nitrogen
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SonuvBob
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Carnac
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
I can't believe this thread was closed/locked. I can't believe Carnac ruined someone's 1000th post, which was CLEARLY tongue-in-cheek the whole way, because it was "silly." Reopen this, please. | ||
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Plexa
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 02 2009 07:38 motbob wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98933 I can't believe this thread was closed/locked. I can't believe Carnac ruined someone's 1000th post, which was CLEARLY tongue-in-cheek the whole way, because it was "silly." Reopen this, please. Can you read the title of this? It's not your thread, so don't complain here. I had a talk with the OP via PM and he understood, there's nothing more to say. | ||
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motbob
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On August 15 2009 05:30 Pokebunny wrote: @Chill - I'm not sure why you closed this thread, about JulyZerg ZvP. It was a valid question, and while the grammar and spelling of the OP was quite sub-par, the thread had some nice replies, notably by Failsafe. While it didn't follow the guidelines perfectly, it was tagged as a [Q] and had a valid question with good discussion. that thread was probably something taht could've taken an in-forum lock (i.e. still be visible in the strat section yet locked) | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
It was from the new single player video. It's kinda neat and worth staying open for people to see. + Show Spoiler + Little crab critters run up and burrow to avoid the lava around 3:00 and then unburrow and go back. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
I just think it's ridiculous how everything has to be so serious @ this website. If people like it, why not let people @ least look @ it. If people don't like it then it goes to the bottom on the blogs and nobody looks @ it again. I am one for closing bad blogs but I just think it's stupid to close a blog when it gives some entertainment that isn't a troll. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
and i dont think this website is too serious... i agree with them on their youtube video policies. it's annoying when like 1/4th of the threads are just somebody finding a funny video and making it's own thread. that is why the youtube thread is there, and you should use it. | ||
Patriot.dlk
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fanatacist
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Just curious as to why this is not a suitable topic. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
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fanatacist
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
Gonna keep the "mean" one closed though. | ||
TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
![]() no mod posted in thread so i dont know who to just PM... + Show Spoiler + op was : Title: Jaedong Ruined ZvZ? Post: Basically: Jaedong got so good for a while that all the high level ZvZs were the same, a JvZ pwn-fest. Jaedong would overcome build orders and win pretty much every game, sure it might be a big deal if he lost or something, but it would still be with a Muta battle.... But last nights games got me thinking, maybe ZvZ is interesting, but JvZ is just what we have all come to expect. CrRaZy! builds and tons of mistakes and upsets IN GAME make it alot more fun and exciting to watch, being unable to tell who will win because of other not-Jaedong-Zerg-Players making mistakes is what makes the games worth watching. Im not trying to pretend that Jaedong is 100% or that he doesnt make mistakes, but i think most people agree that he is still at least a small step above other zerg players right now. And tons of different things happen besides a 12hatch or 9pool as players try to do something crazy to take the lead, unlike jaedong, where he practically starts with 5 drones (sometimes) This new cheezier way of looking at ZvZ makes it more exciting and interesting, like TvT and PvP. i think thats all i have to say, any agreement? | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
There isn't really anything to talk about. | ||
TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
i make that assumption based on that whole "OMG ZVZ IS LAME" trend that i have been seeing and sadly used to assume that the majority of TL thought that. i particularly didnt, but i did think it was less entertaining than other mirror match ups. in fact it was primarily a response to those kind of posts. have you really not been seeing any of them? and i would think that the last month+ of ZvZ matches have been of a higher level than the ones during the seasons and thus we have seen fewer matches that deviate from the 9pool --> muta battle. | ||
ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
Can I blog it? My porn gamers thread wasn't closed so I thought this would be okay. "Carnac Germany. September 03 2009 21:56. Posts 13953 PM Profile Blog Quote I see quite a huge difference between Jaedong and this... 2 pics don't make a good thread" Maybe it's not a good thread but I don't see the difference between that thread and this besides the fact that that one is in the blogs section and that the girl in the picture I posted actually looks just like Jaedong. There are actually 3 pictures and the replies seem to indicate that people liked it. Also, I know that you don't think she looks like Jaedong but I'm Korean and I think that they look totally alike. Many netizens from the original thread on ygosu think that they look alike, to the point where they think that she's Jaedong dressed in female clothes or a photoshopped picture of Jaedong. Why is it that almost every reply in the thread disagrees with you? Encore Canada. September 03 2009 21:31. Posts 37 PM Profile Quote LOL. Piste Finland. September 03 2009 21:32. Posts 2390 PM Profile Blog Quote lol (s?)he really looks like Jaedong :D Aresien United Kingdom. September 03 2009 21:36. Posts 56 PM Profile Quote The 2nd picture makes me doubt but... That's scary. The 1st pic has to be 'shopped. ForSC2 United States. September 03 2009 21:36. Posts 140 PM Profile Quote Jesus it's like Jaedong with a wig. oth1n Netherlands. September 03 2009 21:38. Posts 231 PM Profile Quote Jaedong wtf are you doing....? n.DieJokes United States. September 03 2009 21:39. Posts 583 PM Profile Blog Quote damn, those pictures are too sexy, I really do hope that's a girl, otherwise I would empathize with Lomo on a whole new level GoSu Korea (South). September 03 2009 21:43. Posts 1710 PM Profile Blog Quote On September 03 2009 21:37 Really looks like JD actually XD | ||
Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On September 09 2009 14:27 dinmsab wrote: kespa referee | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On September 09 2009 14:40 resonance wrote: Lol why was my thread closed again. Just made one "suggest a profession for the poster above you". Not enough content? Post-booster? I honestly don't see the difference between the one I just made and the similar one "post something nice about the forumer above you". Because they are basically the same kind thread - a huge spam thread. How many of these do we really need? | ||
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Carnac
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
I've asked NeverGG if she would have something against and she didn't say no :/ It was written in 3rd line OP and I was editing it when it got closed. Please reopen my thread and change the name as you please. "What NeverGG would like to get as a present?" not sure if it's not too long "Macros for NeverGG"? I've made it 9 days earlier because only few people could hear and it was in July so I got an idea maybe more people will make macros of her photos. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On September 14 2009 11:37 beetlelisk wrote: This isn't birthday thread, it's thread about what she would like to get as a present and what I heard on vent. I've asked NeverGG if she would have something against and she didn't say no :/ It was written in 3rd line OP and I was editing it when it got closed. Please reopen my thread and change the name as you please. I've made it 9 days earlier because only few people could hear and it was in July so I got an idea maybe more people will make macros of her photos. We have a ton of birthday threads right now, the forums really don't need ones made 1+ week in advance. It's fine to celebrate someones birthday -- just on their actual birthday not 9 days ahead of time. If the thread was about something else, please title it properly. Feel free to remake the thread without the title "X has a birthday in 9 days". [R] Photoshops for NeverGG or something like that is fine. | ||
beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
I'm so astonished I can't hold it, title was misleading but if something is wrong there is always content to check right? | ||
Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=104038 compared to http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103946 and mine gets locked :S | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On October 20 2009 23:04 Grobyc wrote: My thread wasn't that bad. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=104038 compared to http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=103946 and mine gets locked :S No offense grobyc <3 but your thread was pretty bad lol. | ||
mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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mint_julep
United States254 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
On November 17 2009 07:00 mint_julep wrote: Why was my GLHF thread locked thanks =D Put that crap in your blog. If we had every joker with one-liners making threads, this place would suck. | ||
mint_julep
United States254 Posts
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nobodyhome
United States139 Posts
welcome to teamliquid. here, we like to reserve making new threads for posts with actual content in which people can discuss things. you are free to joke around here, but do not create an entirely new thread just for that. especially in a non-blog section. | ||
mint_julep
United States254 Posts
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Singapore66116 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
was closed despite being the only thread with the full list of MSL Ro32 maps, the other thread only had the new ones. | ||
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LosingID8
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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GTR
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
thought it might be fun to speculate why, but i guess not. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
I mean for someone whos been here for 4 years and has 15k posts, you would think I would have at least minimum notability. Most of my blogs are pretty good, and I think if I put in the effort to provide good answers, it could produce a good thread. But the thread was closed before I even had a chance to respond. I could see if all of the blogs of this type were closed, but when mine gets insta-closed and people with a couple thousand posts have theirs remain open, its kinda weird. | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
sonuvbob wrote: Closing fusionsdf's because, as a mod, I hate him. For attention whoring threads in the future: - Give some background about who you are (see http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/ for examples of successful attention whoring threads) - Stick the fuck around. If you're going to say "hey everyone look at me!", at least be there when people look. It's common courtesy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111028¤tpage=2 | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
In addition, my OP had just as much content as a standard ask blog. It doesnt make a lot of sense to compare it to IAmA, since that involves introducing a specific facet of your life to a crowd that has no idea who you are. I don't think its realistic to expect that same approach to work here. I mean I'm not pissed off I got a sarcastic response about the close, I just dont think there was a valid reason for it to be closed in the first place. | ||
I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
I'll start off with something that sounds contradictory to me making this post: but I don't care that it was closed. It wasn't a great thread or a question that a lot of people can't answer in a funny way, so I would have been fine with it being closed on those grounds. My question has more to do with the response to "Blog It". I find the threads that are most interesting (outside of SC related) are ones where people share personal experiences or tell anecdotes; not debate politics or make small comments related to a news story. I doubt I'm alone in this thought. I don't want to make the impression that I'm posting threads simply to tell a story and have people respond to it, but rather I'm looking for the stories of others that will truly be interesting or entertaining. I usually only post mine as a segue into the topic and to give an idea of the type of responses that would usually be interesting. I'm rambling a bit, so I'll get to the point: In order to prevent future threads being closed under the "blog it" suggestion, what can I honestly do or am I shit out of luck and those types of threads have, for some reason, no place around here in some people's minds? | ||
Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On January 30 2010 11:09 Nitrogen wrote: well you could just repost it in the blog section and it will be fine... My question encompassed that aspect. If those type of threads are honestly just going to be locked the majority of the time, then I would blog it, otherwise the more active part of the forum to get the most responses is generally where I'd want to post it. | ||
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micronesia
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On January 30 2010 13:49 I_Love_Bacon wrote: My question encompassed that aspect. If those type of threads are honestly just going to be locked the majority of the time, then I would blog it, otherwise the more active part of the forum to get the most responses is generally where I'd want to post it. well yes, your threads are going to be locked if you put blog content in the general forum. blogs are pretty active too though, so don't worry about nobody seeing it. On January 31 2010 00:54 micronesia wrote: It wasn't my thread, and it wasn't closed technically, but why was http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=111160 locked? well the previous thread on the same topic was locked because it was a shitstorm... | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
On January 31 2010 05:29 Nitrogen wrote: well yes, your threads are going to be locked if you put blog content in the general forum. blogs are pretty active too though, so don't worry about nobody seeing it. well the previous thread on the same topic was locked because it was a shitstorm... Oh maybe but this one wasn't... the only objectionable thing from what I could tell was rekrul being rekrul lol | ||
Kim Jong Tassadar
United States44 Posts
Teh awesome thred, kk. ;-) | ||
LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
On January 31 2010 06:36 Kim Jong Tassadar wrote: Evil Teletubby closed my thread. See, it makes no sense b/c the thread was awesome... Teh awesome thred, kk. ;-) It's like you came from 2002 to remind us of how stupid the memes were back then. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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verzisor
Romania73 Posts
thread Regards, Verz. | ||
koreasilver
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edit: even if it was tdot. But I guess policy goes for that all tdot threads get shafted. Never mind then, fair enough. | ||
Is Tdot Here
Afghanistan13 Posts
On February 12 2010 08:37 koreasilver wrote: Why was the fetus masturbating thread closed? Seriously, there was nothing offensive about that thread except for the people that trolled in it and the ones that held onto some kind of misguided moral superiority. edit: even if it was tdot. But I guess policy goes for that all tdot threads get shafted. Never mind then, fair enough. LOOOOOOL | ||
koreasilver
9109 Posts
Whatever. It showed me more of the hypocritical nature of some posters. Can't believe I'm actually going to thank you for making that thread. | ||
Draconizard
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University
United States263 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Frigo
Hungary1023 Posts
I believe my thread was closed due to a moderator believing the bug described to be a trivial one (range upgrade). I would like to request my thread to be reopened so I could post my reply, or if not possible, append the reply to the end: The orange guy did a proxy 2 rax totally all-in bunker rush, there was no time even for gas, let alone marine range. Obviously not range upgraded. Thank you very much | ||
VTArlock
United States1763 Posts
So I just posted this thread in the starcraft 2 section and I was curious as to why is was closed no less than 2-3 minutes after I posted it. I thought it was a well thought out OP... am I wrong? Does it belong in blog? Just curious. EDIT: Just thought I might want to add I actually recieved pms from users asking why my thread was closed/ or if I removed it because they were going to give responce.. .Edit2: Still wondering why/who closed the thread... Edit 3: Waited a full day still no answer, I will repost this into blogs to avoid issues. | ||
HeartOfTofu
United States308 Posts
Thought about whether I should ask or not, but I decided to just because I was really curious... Why exactly was this topic closed? I just thought it'd be one of those interesting little quirks/traditions that we could discuss if only to kill a little time... | ||
PianoMan
Pakistan54 Posts
On March 15 2010 12:22 HeartOfTofu wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115968 Thought about whether I should ask or not, but I decided to just because I was really curious... Why exactly was this topic closed? I just thought it'd be one of those interesting little quirks/traditions that we could discuss if only to kill a little time... Seconding this question... I do not see anything objectionable about the discussion? It seems that people were discussing the topic in a polite manner. Perhaps it could have gone into sports & games (since it's not really BW specific) or perhaps into general discussion, but there's no real reason for it to be a closed topic. P i a n o M a n | ||
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Insane
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mOnion
United States5651 Posts
![]() but, but, but...it was my most famous piece of work...i wanted to screenshot the view count. | ||
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Chill
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United States12546 Posts
On March 31 2010 14:27 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: Why was my thread about the RNC closed? If OPs with that level of significance were allowed, half of the threads in General would be made by {CC}StealthBlue. There isn't much discussion that can be derived from an OP from that, other than "lolrepublicans." Then again, I did not close your thread and cannot speak for the person who did. | ||
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Manifesto7
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[NyC]HoBbes
United States803 Posts
On March 31 2010 15:36 Manifesto7 wrote: I didn't close it, but one line and a link is not usually sufficient for an OP in general. Ok, thanks for clarification | ||
snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On March 31 2010 15:36 Manifesto7 wrote: I didn't close it, but one line and a link is not usually sufficient for an OP in general. Is it enough for blogs? I just got warned/closed for having a two sentence + video blog post. I thought blogs was where you're meant to post little tidbits you find interesting. | ||
Ghoro
United States21 Posts
Also where are the rules for the forum? Thanks | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On April 11 2010 05:08 Ghoro wrote: So why was "How/Why did you pick your Race?" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119092 closed? Also where are the rules for the forum? Thanks SC2 rules [specifically creating new threads--violating this is usually why a thread is closed if it's closed quickly] Site-wide rules I didn't close the threads in question, so I can't answer the specific thing in mind behind those closures. With regards to that thread, I'd guess it was closed because SC2 already has a lot of traffic, and it's just a boring poll topic which doesn't really provide any valuable discussion or insight into anything. If you blogged it, that would most likely be fine. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On April 04 2010 01:01 snotboogie wrote: Is it enough for blogs? I just got warned/closed for having a two sentence + video blog post. I thought blogs was where you're meant to post little tidbits you find interesting. Depends upon a variety of factors like what those two sentences were, how strict we're being on blogs (i.e., how many bad blogs are there cluttering it up), what the video was, who you are [Mani isn't going to get banned even if he does turn out a crappy blog now and then]. In general, you should always express why anyone would care about the video and provide a summary of it. Saying "JUST WATCH THE VIDEO IT'S HILARIOUS" isn't really enough. Mostly, provide a summary of the video. Put it in spoiler tags if you don't want people to be spoiled. Blogs are not meant to be a dumping ground; they're meant to be a place to post less-widely-relevant stuff, but there are still some standards for general interest (i.e., it needs to have some significance/interest to someone beyond merely you). That said, I didn't see your topic so I have no idea about that one in particular.. | ||
Ghoro
United States21 Posts
On April 11 2010 05:27 Insane wrote: it's just a boring poll topic which doesn't really provide any valuable discussion or insight into anything. Lol Harsh ![]() But it wasn't really a "what" question like a poll, but more of a "why" question. But anyway I guess I got a good enough amount of information from the thread while it lasted to maybe help me narrow down what race I want to pick. Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the link to the rules. | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On April 11 2010 06:09 Ghoro wrote: Lol Harsh ![]() But it wasn't really a "what" question like a poll, but more of a "why" question. But anyway I guess I got a good enough amount of information from the thread while it lasted to maybe help me narrow down what race I want to pick. Thanks for letting me know and thanks for the link to the rules. I think your question would've been better suited by creating a blog topic about "Help me pick an SC2 race", in which case it would've been left open. The main issue is that it's not very relevant to most people and the majority of people are going to come in and post something like "I picked Protoss because it's cool!!". Since your goal with the topic was indeed to pick a race, better to just create a topic specifically geared towards that ![]() That said, I didn't close your thread since it didn't particularly bother me when I saw it! | ||
snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
On April 11 2010 05:34 Insane wrote: Depends upon a variety of factors like what those two sentences were, how strict we're being on blogs (i.e., how many bad blogs are there cluttering it up), what the video was, who you are [Mani isn't going to get banned even if he does turn out a crappy blog now and then]. In general, you should always express why anyone would care about the video and provide a summary of it. Saying "JUST WATCH THE VIDEO IT'S HILARIOUS" isn't really enough. Mostly, provide a summary of the video. Put it in spoiler tags if you don't want people to be spoiled. Blogs are not meant to be a dumping ground; they're meant to be a place to post less-widely-relevant stuff, but there are still some standards for general interest (i.e., it needs to have some significance/interest to someone beyond merely you). That said, I didn't see your topic so I have no idea about that one in particular.. OK, thanks for that. | ||
Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
didn't see it coming that It will be closed. I was going to provide a replay that it took around 12 minutes and still the creep wouldn't be removed. (then it got closed) If you guys are still interested here is the rep: http://www.mediafire.com/file/y1emionjojw/2010-04-15 21-29-06.SC2Replay I'm sorry if I'm putting this in the why was my thread closed but I think this will be a serious matter in the future. (I'm sorry also if I made a mistake with this thread) can't seem to recreate it, tried using the zerg computer.. I'll just rest this for the meantime. | ||
dobrzeee
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Old Sagat
United States42 Posts
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VampireLady
Netherlands283 Posts
my thread is here btw http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=122196 thankyou in advance ps I got my answer thanks hotbid.. sowwy for the inconvenience | ||
jambonkingcool
Canada186 Posts
I'm wondering why this thread was closed. It actually was an active thread, and without trash talk, wow!. It seemed like many people enjoyed the discussion (Kennigit excluded), so I'd like to know what was so bad in it that it got closed. p.s. not my thread, just wondering | ||
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Canada19447 Posts
"An Elegant Solution to Zerg Mobility in R2" "Paradoxical implementation of Art via the Transitive Balance Property" "The Metagame Flaw: An Analysis of The SC2 Mid-Game" Then the OP writes a 6 page essay on something that is either fundamentally flawed, because they don't have a real understanding of the game (probably like less than 1% of people do at this point) and then asks biased questions. It leads to fruitless discussion - obviously nothing is going to change so why even waste time on it? I honestly feel like it makes us look stupid as a community, when an outsider looks in and sees these contrived essays about things that are really small when instead they could be focusing on playing the game. Do you notice that top players like Nazgul, Nony, Day[9], Idra, don't make these types of threads or posts? It's always people with really basic understanding of the game or very few posts who are trying to either generate discussion/trying to make a name for themselves. I don't think discussion or debate is a bad thing - we want people to contribute, but don't have a discussion just for the sake of having one....Like we can talk about the animations of glave worms for 50 pages, but really its a stupid thread that doesn't matter. Imagine Blizzard is reading the sc2 forum for feedback and sees and 10 page concise thread on the marauder/immortal/roach triangle. Or a 40 page series of essays on something that really has no game changing value. At some point, we have to draw a line or it just becomes a bunch of nerds sitting on rocking chairs with monocles popping and egos buffing (but not actually playing). | ||
jambonkingcool
Canada186 Posts
I can't agree on the top players part though, some of them can get really arrogant and stubborn when it comes to strategies, balance, etc. (threads like Micro where art thou & DA next metagame switch in PvZ are good examples I think) It often leads to a flamewar fest, or e.peen fights like "I am B, listen to me you D+ newb" - which makes us look stupid as well, imo. Trash topic/good posts and good topic/trash posts is about the same to me, hence why I couldn't figure out why the thread was closed, but you have good points, and you are the boss! thanks for the detailed answer | ||
NihiLStarcraft
Denmark1413 Posts
Link to the last page I tried to follow the 4th commandment of the TL forum rules (ie. contribute something meaningful) and spend half a day writing up a little essay consisting of some of my thoughts related to the macro mechanics in Starcraft 2. It was, I feel, nicely done, with links and pictures and what not. I put a lot of effort into using correct English which is not easy for a German. It's certainly not a "great" article or nothing, maybe there are better topics, there are definitely better writers and players, but at least something halfway decent (let's say I kind of assumed it would at least be tolerated by the moderators). Three or four people even said "good read" etc. Also, it did spawn some good and constructive discussion in 92 replies (apart from the occasional hater or naysayer) which I tried to oversee and keep in a good, well-spirited direction. Well, it got locked without a reason that I can understand and follow. Kennigit did it and said something about how it reminds him of people at Starbucks with their Mac Books? I would never go to Starbucks and I never used a Mac! All kidding aside: I know the image he's referring to but I absolutely do not get where that comes from. He calls my original post a "massive tirade" and I'm actually a little offended and don't quite think that's fair. On what grounds is my write-up a tirade? He actually added a second post where he expresses anger at the title ("The Bane of Terran: Decision-Making") of the thread saying "decision making is an integral point of ANY game". I don't get that either, did he/you mean "race" with "game"? If so, isn't it a valid move to question whether the new macro mechanics for the races differ in terms of how much decision making they require from the player? If not, where's the problem? Yes, lots of games require decision making but this is a Starcraft site and that's what I'm talking about. I understand, however, that the title is a little dramatic, maybe over the top and would not have anything against a change at all. I'm also irritated because I thought Teamliquid wanted its newer members to actually start making more meaningful posts as opposed to those pesky one-liners and I feel just that gets highly discouraged with this kind of moderation. I love Starcraft and Starcraft 2 and I also love this website, I'd love to stay on good terms with everybody around and giving me a reason why my attempt at a first contribution failed would be a great start. I'm not expecting the topic to get re-opened but a clear, proper reason would help me out a lot. | ||
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EDIT: Also, would it be possible to add that as a warning or something to the rules? That would have saved me half a day of writing, researching and putting things together. | ||
Ventez
Norway107 Posts
I just created a thread called "Is SC2 ready for launch?" with a poll. I couldn't find any similar threads so I thought it would be nice to see what the TL community thought about it. So I'm just wondering why it got closed so soon =/ Edit: added link | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On May 05 2010 02:03 Ventez wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123446 I just created a thread called "Is SC2 ready for launch?" with a poll. I couldn't find any similar threads so I thought it would be nice to see what the TL community thought about it. So I'm just wondering why it got closed so soon =/ Edit: added link We don't allow threads are basically a poll. There's not enough content to warrant it staying open. | ||
Ventez
Norway107 Posts
On May 05 2010 02:52 Chill wrote: We don't allow threads are basically a poll. There's not enough content to warrant it staying open. Okay, understandable enough :D | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On May 05 2010 00:20 dkh wrote: Makes perfect sense. I wasn't sour about the thing being closed, it's just the way it happened and the reasons given seemed a tad bit offensive and even (at the least partially) insulting. If the closing note would have given that reason you put down there clearly from the beginning it would have saved me some nerves. :p EDIT: Also, would it be possible to add that as a warning or something to the rules? That would have saved me half a day of writing, researching and putting things together. I appreciate that but keep in mind when you're grinding through closing all these threads you reach a point where you don't really mind offending someone to just write "This thread is bad" and closing it. Yes, in an ideal world we would systematically write the thinking process that leads to it being closed, but I don't have the patience for that anymore. | ||
LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123961 hmm... i thought it was interesting, not sure what happened, i just went to bed and woke up and its gone | ||
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Savio
United States1850 Posts
It also gave us the opportunity to try to say in 1 weeks time "I won" because we predicted it right. I saw it as a thread with positive effect on the site. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=123994 Its not my thread but I was very much enjoying reading it. | ||
pacifican
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It's obvious the admin who closed the thread never bothered to fully read it. His arguments are exactly those which I disagree entirely about. RE: Asians are better at starcraft2 because there's more of them, they play more. Would have thought a moderator who closes a thread would at least do the courtesy of fully reading through a post before making a decision, let alone make parting comments which only proves my point. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On May 18 2010 14:40 pacifican wrote: His arguments are exactly those which I disagree entirely about. How can that be so? Kennigit is white and therefore creative. His arguments are by definition new, innovative and exciting. | ||
Rider
Netherlands127 Posts
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On May 21 2010 08:28 Rider wrote: I posted a reply to the topic regarding a StarCraft 2 Tournament in Amsterdam and it's no longer there. It was a pretty simple message, something along the vein of "Sounds cool, I'll definitely be there" I'd like to know why it was removed ![]() Looks like you didn't post it in the first place. Post count doesn't go down when posts are deleted, and all 5 of your posts are accounted for. | ||
Failsafe
United States1298 Posts
Anyway, I understand the thread being closed but if that's the final decision can I revive it in my blog? | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Was surprised to see this closed. Funny how TL standards are "improving" but interesting threads now get closed that wouldn't have before. | ||
Bwenjarin Raffrack
United States322 Posts
On May 24 2010 18:09 Pokebunny wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127106 Was surprised to see this closed. Funny how TL standards are "improving" but interesting threads now get closed that wouldn't have before. I posted in that thread, but, to be fair, there was no actual discussion. The mods tend to dislike threads wherein the posters disregard every other post. Also, the new forum features are amazing. The compact pagination is incredibly convenient, and I see now a "Report" feature per post. Someone's been a busy little wizard. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On May 24 2010 20:39 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: I posted in that thread, but, to be fair, there was no actual discussion. The mods tend to dislike threads wherein the posters disregard every other post. Also, the new forum features are amazing. The compact pagination is incredibly convenient, and I see now a "Report" feature per post. Someone's been a busy little wizard. But this is the opposite, you'd rather read fun quotes than post them. | ||
myopia
United States2928 Posts
On May 24 2010 20:39 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:Also, the new forum features are amazing. The compact pagination is incredibly convenient, and I see now a "Report" feature per post. Someone's been a busy little wizard. I don't have a report option, it's probly limited to those who've got a certain # of posts or who've been on the board a certain time. As for that thread, well, with how outnumbered the mods are, compared to the flood of awful threads and posters, there's bound to be some friendly fire here and there while they struggle to keep it under control. It'll get worse before it gets better :| | ||
Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
On May 24 2010 20:39 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote: I posted in that thread, but, to be fair, there was no actual discussion. The mods tend to dislike threads wherein the posters disregard every other post. Also, the new forum features are amazing. The compact pagination is incredibly convenient, and I see now a "Report" feature per post. Someone's been a busy little wizard. Darn, you just made me realize I also have the report option. It looked a bit crowded but I didn't properly look before... Awesome job coders, let's see if I can contribute in this way ![]() | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=127009 I didn't think it was a bad thread, I even posted it in blogs. | ||
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Hyde
Australia14568 Posts
On May 25 2010 04:32 Badjas wrote: Darn, you just made me realize I also have the report option. It looked a bit crowded but I didn't properly look before... Awesome job coders, let's see if I can contribute in this way ![]() I just noticed that as well haha, it's a little close to the quote button for my liking though. Still good. | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133083 Didn't seem like too terrible of a topic to me ![]() Edit: I read earlier in the thread that polls without enough content were closed, but if that's the case, why does something like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133055 remain open? It has nothing but a poll and 0 content. | ||
Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On June 29 2010 23:20 Try wrote: I was just curious why my Armageddon thread was closed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133083 Didn't seem like too terrible of a topic to me ![]() Edit: I read earlier in the thread that polls without enough content were closed, but if that's the case, why does something like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133055 remain open? It has nothing but a poll and 0 content. Maybe, shall we say that TL.net doesn't like talk about stuff like the end of world and etc. | ||
Try
United States1293 Posts
On June 29 2010 23:54 Licmyobelisk wrote: Maybe, shall we say that TL.net doesn't like talk about stuff like the end of world and etc. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=58369 | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On July 01 2010 13:10 Kennigit wrote: The last 2-3 pages turned into total trash and it wasn't about to get any better. We are at a stage in moderation with so many people that while the OP isn't particularly bad, sometimes its easier just to close the thread rather than ban 4 pages full of people. OK, thanks, that's understandable. | ||
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Try
United States1293 Posts
On July 01 2010 14:44 semantics wrote: I thought there was just a general ruling that the oh 2012 dooms day threads were getting old. But my thread had nothing to do with 2012 ![]() | ||
Precocious
United States5 Posts
Sorry if there was something wrong with it, just wondering why it was closed. It seemed to have a lot of responses for the short amount of time it was open, and I found it helpful. Thanks. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
Just my two cents, but again, I didn't close it. | ||
Precocious
United States5 Posts
Thanks again Manifesto7, and my apologies. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
High five, mister Precocious. | ||
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Canada19447 Posts
On July 02 2010 08:10 Manifesto7 wrote: While I didn't close your thread, I can speculate that the sheer number of "help me pick a race" / "what race do you play" / "why do you play X race" threads that already exist led to it being closed. Those threads generally contain pages and pages of people posting their idea without reading anybody else's responses. The lack of discussion is not really desirable. Just my two cents, but again, I didn't close it. I closed it. Mani explained why. Sorry, theres just so many threads like this that i instaclose and forget that not every poster has seen the 500 iterations. | ||
Erictmtl
Canada9 Posts
would like to know why this topic as been closed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133442 I found a midnight launch in Montreal and i was looking to tell them the place then I realise my topic was close. | ||
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On July 08 2010 00:31 Boblion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=134500 ? I'm not staff, but I think the existing policy is that if a person has a simple request, it should be made in IRC. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
IRC / PM / Google / Searching for an existing thread is a much better place for simple requests like that. | ||
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Peekay.switch
Canada285 Posts
On July 23 2010 03:32 Chef wrote: Not closed, but moved. Why was my thread (http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=137853) moved to blogs from BroodWar? I thought I was yelled at for posting broodwar stuff in blogs and I agreed it was dumb? This isn't a personal story, there's no reason it should be in blogs. Your blog is a piece of opinion, with little to no reliable facts/sources to support your view. Also, there's a picture of a bunny as the thread opener... It's border line trolling where you compare it to other sports... | ||
Squeegy
Finland1166 Posts
Why was this closed? There was some serious discussion going on, but I do admit there was a lot of nonsense too. I just feel particularly sad because I spend like an hour perfecting my wall of text and when I tried to post it, I found the thread closed. :-( | ||
CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
some retard closed this thread | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Just because the game is old and there are tons of hacks doesn't mean the thread is worthless. Imagine if this had been an sc2 game.. At the very least regardless if you want to admit it, I did a service to this community. Now there won't be any more threads about it because they will search and find my thread and you can close those too. Btw, I was unaware that there was a law on TL where every thread must generate discussion. I mean look at all those stupid fucking threads where someone posts some obscure news and people just spam puns. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Originally I was going to put 'new hack' in the title but I thought this would be stupid because of the fact that it won't be new all the time and future searches of the hack would be better served by putting a more descriptive title. | ||
Kezzer
United States1268 Posts
Like I said in my post I acknowledge that there is a group more for people on steam who are part of this community. But for the people who want to play together frequently -specifically TF2 - and set up organized games together, this group has a good purpose for that. Beforehand just to make sure it was OK I did get permission from Chill to create this thread, so I don't really see the reason for its closure. EDIT: If my OP wasn't clear enough, I'll gladly clarify/beef it up if I can get the thread re-opened. A lot of the people that I've talked to who have joined the group already are really excited about this. | ||
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Azile
United States339 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=138093 PM I received when closed: "Put more effort into your posts and especially in topics you decide to create or you will face consequences for it." It was a simple question, received a simple answer, and would have promptly died except for some reason a mod decided not only to completely shit on it but to send me a ban threat as well? "Feel free to recreate a topic on this with some more effort and background put into it for those who havent played WC3/TFT and are aware of what automated tournaments are." So basically you're telling me what my threads should be about now? The phrase 'automated tournament' is pretty self explanatory I didn't realize I had to write an encyclopedia to avoid the apocalypse. The fact it was closed doesn't bother me at all but was the closing post and banstick waving really necessary... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On July 24 2010 12:43 Azile wrote: The biggest problem is it's something you can search for. I think the first thing everyone should do before creating a new thread is to search both Google and TL to see if it's been asked/answered before. I know in this case you could've, because I just did it myself. So basically you're telling me what my threads should be about now? The phrase 'automated tournament' is pretty self explanatory I didn't realize I had to write an encyclopedia to avoid the apocalypse. ![]() TL is not a Yahoo Answers for SC2. The fact it was closed doesn't bother me at all but was the closing post and banstick waving really necessary... I can't speak for whoever did it, but they were probably just waving around their warnstick. | ||
brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
Perhaps the mods agreed that it belonged in a blog, but I don't have a blog and don't particularly want one. I don't hold my opinions in high enough esteem that I think they need a soap box for me to tell people about them. I'd rather discuss them with others on an equal level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but SC2 general would seem to be the appropriate place for lighthearted theorycrafting. I don't expect the thread to be reinstated, or even care all that much if it is. The fact it was closed in the first place just kind of irked me something fierce. | ||
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On August 05 2010 07:59 brad drac wrote: So you think my thread was worse than say this for example? Fine if you do, it just seems kind of arbitrary to me and some kind of explanation to that effect isn't unreasonable to expect with the closure. And who's to say it couldn't have developed into a discussion about how to make ultras viable mid-game or something like that. Even bad threads can spawn good discussion. Some threads fly under the radar. If you see another bad thread like that, report it or tell a mod about it. I will tell you that defending your thread by pointing out someone else's is not the way to go. If good discussion has already been created, that's one thing, but we can't simply leave open every close-worthy thread because there's a possibility that it could generate good discussion. As for yours, there's plenty of other Ultra threads, and the vast majority of unit suggestion threads are treated the same way unless they're extremely comprehensive. | ||
brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
On August 07 2010 15:07 Jibba wrote: Some threads fly under the radar. If you see another bad thread like that, report it or tell a mod about it. I will tell you that defending your thread by pointing out someone else's is not the way to go. If good discussion has already been created, that's one thing, but we can't simply leave open every close-worthy thread because there's a possibility that it could generate good discussion. As for yours, there's plenty of other Ultra threads, and the vast majority of unit suggestion threads are treated the same way unless they're extremely comprehensive. I assumed the fact that it still existed meant it was an okay thread and thus was acceptable as a point of comparison. I see your point though and it's fair enough. I do still think a note as to why a thread is closed is a good idea just for the sake of clarity and courtesy, but I appreciate your reply here. | ||
Backpack
United States1776 Posts
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KenShi
Korea (South)28 Posts
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KenShi
Korea (South)28 Posts
On August 12 2010 08:35 Nyovne wrote: Reopened after some internal discussion. I'm opposed to it but since you really did check in with others before I'm conforming myself to majority common sense within staff. Thank you ![]() | ||
LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
Yeah, I know the video sparked a little bit of outrage (frankly, that was sort of the point), but so does plenty of other stuff that's posted. I don't see why this thread needed to be closed just because people happened to react negatively to the video. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On August 13 2010 03:17 CTStalker wrote: As entertaining as 3 pages of you guys calling each other and the security guards heartless douchebags is, I think we can do without this. Those threads are always the same. | ||
snuze
United States14 Posts
As far as I understand this is the section where feedback should be provided. Now if the topic of a redesign has been discussed to death then I apologize for starting a new thread. I simply didn't see one. I also missed the poll about the horse banner until after my thread was locked. What I do have a problem with are the moderators who think they are comedians, replying to a locked topic, very classy. And Manifesto, perhaps I would have offered help with a redesign, had the post not been locked immidiately, followed by a number of mocking replies to a locked thread. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=76812 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=96685 You "being tired of the damn horses" is not a valid reason to change anything :p | ||
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Canada9720 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On August 15 2010 13:03 snuze wrote: I also missed the poll about the horse banner until after my thread was locked. What I do have a problem with are the moderators who think they are comedians, replying to a locked topic, very classy. I just want to say when you're in a thread (as a moderator), it's not immediately obvious that a thread is locked. The only way to know is the usual "Lock" text will read "Unlock" instead. Usually I reply without knowing a thread is locked until I get back to the forum index. So a lot of the time we're not trying to be comedians. Sometimes we are! | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On August 15 2010 13:03 snuze wrote: RE: Website Overhaul As far as I understand this is the section where feedback should be provided. Now if the topic of a redesign has been discussed to death then I apologize for starting a new thread. I simply didn't see one. I also missed the poll about the horse banner until after my thread was locked. What I do have a problem with are the moderators who think they are comedians, replying to a locked topic, very classy. And Manifesto, perhaps I would have offered help with a redesign, had the post not been locked immidiately, followed by a number of mocking replies to a locked thread. I can help you with that, lets do it ! | ||
seRapH
United States9715 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On August 17 2010 06:45 seRapH wrote: lol, did rek request the closing of his own fanclub? XD that's just amazing I wonder why he would do that...hmm. | ||
Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Just wondering why my thread that I just posted was removed, spent some time to make the whole poll and to see how it actually was looking generally for the people playing Zerg. Cannot see anyone having any real issue with that whole topic as it was serious, provided some discussion topics and noone seemed to have a problem with it. And if possible what can I change with it so that it can be posted again? I want to see some number on how people really feel not just comments from people who are in the mood to whein about stuff or other people wheining. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On August 17 2010 12:59 Yttrasil wrote: Hey! Just wondering why my thread that I just posted was removed, spent some time to make the whole poll and to see how it actually was looking generally for the people playing Zerg. Cannot see anyone having any real issue with that whole topic as it was serious, provided some discussion topics and noone seemed to have a problem with it. And if possible what can I change with it so that it can be posted again? I want to see some number on how people really feel not just comments from people who are in the mood to whein about stuff or other people wheining. I don't get why people do this. Yea, I could probably dig in the closed forum for it, but had you just provided a link I'd be way more willing to help you. Okay I can't even find it in the closed forum so post a link. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Explains why another alot older thread of mine was removed too... Thank you and sorry! | ||
bull0563
112 Posts
This thread was closed. Saying it was a blog and not a general sc2 thread. I kinda thought it was a general sc2 thread. Anyways I clicked sc2 forums to find this blog thing http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft2 Didn't show there. So going even further away from the place i wanted to post i found this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=18 Where i can't even post. So you are saying the thread's content does not comply to the TL quality standards? | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
Starcraft players live in a world confined by rules (the game data is made by Blizzard - we can't change it). Posting how to bend those rules (glitches, tricks) is very valuable. Posting how to maximize our abilities in that world (strategy, tactics, mechanics build orders) is also very valuable. Identifying problems with the rules (racial balance threads, unit balance threads) help us to fully understand the potential of the rules. Asking for help about the world (help threads, posting replays) is encouraged. However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was"). To further the analogy: Scientific threads would go in general; Medical breakthrough threads would go in general; Professional style and relationship advice would go in general; "I wish the universe was set up so when I closed my eyes lasers shot out of my fingers" would go in blogs. Do you agree? | ||
mutant
United States31 Posts
On August 19 2010 05:45 Chill wrote: Yes, I will continue to close any balance thread in the Starcraft 2 section. Read on! Starcraft players live in a world confined by rules (the game data is made by Blizzard - we can't change it). Posting how to bend those rules (glitches, tricks) is very valuable. Posting how to maximize our abilities in that world (strategy, tactics, mechanics build orders) is also very valuable. Identifying problems with the rules (racial balance threads, unit balance threads) help us to fully understand the potential of the rules. Asking for help about the world (help threads, posting replays) is encouraged. However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was"). To further the analogy: Scientific threads would go in general; Medical breakthrough threads would go in general; Professional style and relationship advice would go in general; "I wish the universe was set up so when I closed my eyes lasers shot out of my fingers" would go in blogs. Do you agree? Now that I've read the explanation, I do agree with this. However, just reading the closing message, it didn't seem very clear. There is a clear and consistant set of rules being applied, but that wasn't obvious from the closing message you posted. | ||
Craton
United States17235 Posts
On August 18 2010 05:30 Chill wrote: I don't get why people do this. Yea, I could probably dig in the closed forum for it, but had you just provided a link I'd be way more willing to help you. Ought to just make it mandatory -- no link = no answer. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
Sure, you may be thinking, if you want to read news, just go to news site and all, but most of you guys don't really do that. I highly doubt some people here know what goes on outside of TL or IRL b/c they play SC or something that doesn't have to do with information. That's where I want to come in by providing the most interesting news of the day... so I'm not allowed to do that? Is it wrong to educate TLers at least in this form of way? Also want to add that, many others would always post news that they deem interesting on the forums and they don't get closed. Or is it that there have to be a certain qualifications/requirements to post such a news thread now? If so, what do you deem as to post a news thread. Because I don't get why I can't post 1 news thread per day when others do all the time. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On August 19 2010 05:45 Chill wrote: However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was"). Right, I get it now. ![]() | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 19 2010 09:58 Chill wrote: Link. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145417 | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On August 19 2010 09:18 QuickStriker wrote: I want to say this here and now that I have this passion and desire to spread and share information to TLers that seems interesting and out of ordinary. Yes, I mean news and I try hard to dig up the most weirdest/interesting/wtf news only because I want to make their reading worthwhile as well as not to make the mistake of repeating the bad things that happen on the news. So I am a bit sad that my last news thread closed down because I did spread time to read various articles and found it obliged to give TLers the most interesting news I can find to inform them for those who don't read the news at all. Sure, you may be thinking, if you want to read news, just go to news site and all, but most of you guys don't really do that. I highly doubt some people here know what goes on outside of TL or IRL b/c they play SC or something that doesn't have to do with information. That's where I want to come in by providing the most interesting news of the day... so I'm not allowed to do that? Is it wrong to educate TLers at least in this form of way? Also want to add that, many others would always post news that they deem interesting on the forums and they don't get closed. Or is it that there have to be a certain qualifications/requirements to post such a news thread now? If so, what do you deem as to post a news thread. Because I don't get why I can't post 1 news thread per day when others do all the time. Nobody else has ever made 1 news thread per day, and I don't think it would be a good thing. I'm glad you put more effort into your OP than most News threads, but I think Mani covered it well. That's really old and mundane news. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 19 2010 12:09 Jibba wrote: Nobody else has ever made 1 news thread per day, and I don't think it would be a good thing. I'm glad you put more effort into your OP than most News threads, but I think Mani covered it well. That's really old and mundane news. The news was realized 8/19/10 at 6 PM EST time and was considered the most popular viewed news at the cnn.com website. To count it old and mundane for such news that had so much attention is a bit uncalled for. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
Interesting news where there is something to discuss is fine. Your daily news thread is not. Very rarely other people have brought in regular news, nobody has done it once a day, and in the end it has always turned into a forced endeavor. | ||
OHtRUe
United States283 Posts
I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 19 2010 18:56 Manifesto7 wrote: No it isn't. It just means people who read CNN are stupid. It has been old news for a long time. Interesting news where there is something to discuss is fine. Your daily news thread is not. Very rarely other people have brought in regular news, nobody has done it once a day, and in the end it has always turned into a forced endeavor. Once again, I want to correct this and say that the airline news has also been on WABC prime time news today as well as the noon time. As an intern at WABC news now, I get information and news coming in so quickly and fast that I have to constantly update and help manage the 7online.com website. So I want to claim that it's very recent news as it has been shown in AP, WABC, and CNN regarding this particular story I outlined yesterday. Calling it old news when three major media outlets reports it (and I will assume others as well like NY Times) is really sad to hear since I see it in front of my eyes. Secondly, I am promoting and encouraging TLers to be more informative and active with reading and following information by doing this light news feed of top 1 story I can find per day. It's good for many reasons for both me and everyone else, where people will be more open to read news since like I mention, most of TLers here and you probably don't read as much news as you should. News and information is very important in this world currently and I want to encourage everyone to keep up with times and be informative and become stronger in mind. Since I will only bring the most latest news per day, that's another reason why I feel is important. News thread are usually days old or weeks old even when it becomes outdated in the outside world which isn't good at all. Let's say you get this news today from me and it become a hot topic for a while in the real world, people can go outside freely and talk about this news instead of being blind about it and be the first one to start up the conversation or to lead it b/c you got the information faster. In any case, it's all good intention so I don't get why you can't see that at all. Lastly, I am doing this for myself as well to keep a good habit to be pro-active and have a goodwill consistency that can enable me to be known as a more virtuous person. It's still an experiment to do this but it's something I want to keep a habit of and show that I can do something to TLers that is actually useful and easy for me to do. So in a sense, a PR stunt but not really, just another way to look at it. I'm continuing this method today as I will try my hardest to find the most interesting news possible to share information to users and have an interesting heated discussion to exercise our minds. So please understand the good intentions of this and if you do wish to stop me, then give me set of good reasons why I'm not allowed to contribute to community at all. Thank you. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On August 20 2010 09:15 OHtRUe wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145710 I dont see any valid reason to close my thread? Did it get closed because i said the word imbalance or what? Or is it because you cant complain about precious SC2? No PM and no closed message frustrates me extremely Every single map favors Terran versus Zerg as they all have zero space to maneuver and with the terrible wide open seconds and impossible to get thirds. 90% of them favor gigantic All in's with these terrible back doors and wide open ramps. Cant forget that having cliffs everywhere and random terrain is amazing map design as well! I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On August 20 2010 09:49 QuickStriker wrote: Once again, I want to correct this and say that the airline news has also been on WABC prime time news today as well as the noon time. As an intern at WABC news now, I get information and news coming in so quickly and fast that I have to constantly update and help manage the 7online.com website. So I want to claim that it's very recent news as it has been shown in AP, WABC, and CNN regarding this particular story I outlined yesterday. Calling it old news when three major media outlets reports it (and I will assume others as well like NY Times) is really sad to hear since I see it in front of my eyes. If you have flown in the last two years, you know airlines charge more for certain coach seats. It is on TV to record people's outrage just like your thread was designed to do too. Secondly, I am promoting and encouraging TLers to be more informative and active with reading and following information by doing this light news feed of top 1 story I can find per day. It's good for many reasons for both me and everyone else, where people will be more open to read news since like I mention, most of TLers here and you probably don't read as much news as you should. News and information is very important in this world currently and I want to encourage everyone to keep up with times and be informative and become stronger in mind. You can't speak on how much news the "average TLer" reads or doesn't read. In fact, you have no idea. Since I will only bring the most latest news per day, that's another reason why I feel is important. News thread are usually days old or weeks old even when it becomes outdated in the outside world which isn't good at all. Let's say you get this news today from me and it become a hot topic for a while in the real world, people can go outside freely and talk about this news instead of being blind about it and be the first one to start up the conversation or to lead it b/c you got the information faster. In any case, it's all good intention so I don't get why you can't see that at all. Again, news threads are not weeks old by the time they come to TL. You are just making things up now. Lastly, I am doing this for myself as well to keep a good habit to be pro-active and have a goodwill consistency that can enable me to be known as a more virtuous person. It's still an experiment to do this but it's something I want to keep a habit of and show that I can do something to TLers that is actually useful and easy for me to do. So in a sense, a PR stunt but not really, just another way to look at it. I think posting a thread a day about a shocking news event, and then having 4 pages of people saying "omg that is nuts" and then having it devolve into four pages of flaming is not a great way to contribute. And guess what, "Man shot 21 times" is exactly the type of thread it will happen in. Trust me, I've been on TL long enough to know. That isn't news anyway, it is just a distraction. Pure pulp. I'm continuing this method today as I will try my hardest to find the most interesting news possible to share information to users and have an interesting heated discussion to exercise our minds. So please understand the good intentions of this and if you do wish to stop me, then give me set of good reasons why I'm not allowed to contribute to community at all. Thank you. As I said before, we have had people do this in the past. In the end it becomes spammy and forced. If a news article is interesting, bring it. But don't just bring something once a day because you think that is contributing. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
If you have flown in the last two years, you know airlines charge more for certain coach seats. It is on TV to record people's outrage just like your thread was designed to do too. Media companies and TV news don't bring out old infos that's already been presented in the past. It may be similar, there may be changes, but it's called news b/c it is a NEW development or a NEW story or a NEW part that is in the story. If TV is to record people's outrage instead of informing society the world, then you're saying TV isn't real news at all. And for the case of WABC news, they take their info from AP and print media first to confirm as well as various other sources to check before reporting. So does that mean print media (newspaper) aren't news at all? You can't speak on how much news the "average TLer" reads or doesn't read. In fact, you have no idea. I've been around here for 2 years and I noticed just how uneducated some people are. Even when I log onto IRC chat of TL, I cannot find anyone who reads and follows the news unless I present it to them. I've also try to discuss what's happening on the world currently to people in TL via other methods and I realize they don't know what's going on unless it's presented by someone else like me. Maybe I overreacted but I do believe TLers have the right and the need to be more informed of the world. Again, news threads are not weeks old by the time they come to TL. You are just making things up now. I've check on the sources often when news are presented and some have been outdated when they posted on TL. I know not all of them are like that but it happens a lot and I want to make sure whoever post news make it sure it's current and new rather than a has been news. Old news can be presented if they're something no one knew and there's no developing followup but able to be current all the time is better and I don't see that all the time. I think posting a thread a day about a shocking news event, and then having 4 pages of people saying "omg that is nuts" and then having it devolve into four pages of flaming is not a great way to contribute. And guess what, "Man shot 21 times" is exactly the type of thread it will happen in. Trust me, I've been on TL long enough to know. If you actually read the article and the stories before that, it is actually a series story with a horrible sad report. It's insane and disturbing but I told you, it's what I feel is the most shocking to me and can deem as news worthy. I'm acting as a presenter like an anchor reporting the news only because I have the passion to as well as a practice if I ever decide to take that route. Yet you would shut such news down from me because of your opinions and thoughts saying they're not good enough for you or it won't go the way you want it to be? You probably didn't know about that story until I presented that to you and if you actually did read the 2 stories I linked, you would noticed that besides the title name, it was actually a big big news here in NYC. [/QUOTE]As I said before, we have had people do this in the past. In the end it becomes spammy and forced. If a news article is interesting, bring it. But don't just bring something once a day because you think that is contributing.[/QUOTE] Just because people have done it in the past and failed, you're saying I'll automatically 100% fail? I brought an interesting article b/c it was considered news worthy and interesting to share and inform the TLers. Yet the past news thread I've researched and tried to bring out were all shut down completely by you. So I can't have my own title for the news? In the end, I still bring the title of the article in the OP so basically the methods I'm doing is just good enough in your eyes. Is that how it is? I don't mean to flame or hit on you but I'm a little pissed closing 2 news thread the past 2 days that I found to be interesting to share only to say that it's some sort of a joke news and there's nothing serious about it. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
And you are right, I haven't heard of the 21 shot guy. You know why it is big news though? Because of the number of bullets. That is it. It is pulp news that they drop before the commercial break to get you to come back after the commercial break. If it was one bullet, it wouldn't be news. If you think that If you think media companies don't recycle news, you are really out of the loop. In the world of 24-hour media cycles, every station has filler stories that they use to keep their viewers at graphed points of the day (where they are likely to switch away). There is a whole science behind it. Saying that you go to IRC, can't talk about the news, and then think that TL'ers aren't educated isn't going to win you any points. First of all, watching news does not equal education. If you want to argue that they are not current in their knowledge of recent events because of an IRC channel, you just look foolish. I don't go to the strippers to talk economics, don't go to IRC to discuss the news. So yeah, lose the pompus attitude and use your blog if you want to proselytize the TL population to the wonders of main stream media. Otherwise, go somewhere else. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 20 2010 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote: Well then we will have to agree to disagree. I brought the issue up in the moderation forum, and if they think it is a great feature I won't close it. But I think it is rubbish, and I think your motivation for doing it is rubbish. Use your blog to educate the unwashed masses. My blogs is used for my personal experience and personal things where I am to be bias at all cost. I prefer to have news thread separate on general forum to share and provide. Either that or why won't you or anyone here actually look at my "Non-TL News Forum" thread at this website feedback forum that I presented since that's being ignored many times. I'm not stopping this method since I finally found an idea and method that is best suited to do something to TL and yet it's being shut down the moment I do anything b/c you don't like it. So hopefully I get an answer whether there will be a Non-TL News Forum or I can continue to post in General Forums since that's where real life news go anyway without that idea I presented. | ||
QuickStriker
United States3694 Posts
On August 20 2010 12:06 Manifesto7 wrote: And you are right, I haven't heard of the 21 shot guy. You know why it is big news though? Because of the number of bullets. That is it. It is pulp news that they drop before the commercial break to get you to come back after the commercial break. If it was one bullet, it wouldn't be news. If you think that If you think media companies don't recycle news, you are really out of the loop. In the world of 24-hour media cycles, every station has filler stories that they use to keep their viewers at graphed points of the day (where they are likely to switch away). There is a whole science behind it. Saying that you go to IRC, can't talk about the news, and then think that TL'ers aren't educated isn't going to win you any points. First of all, watching news does not equal education. If you want to argue that they are not current in their knowledge of recent events because of an IRC channel, you just look foolish. I don't go to the strippers to talk economics, don't go to IRC to discuss the news. So yeah, lose the pompus attitude and use your blog if you want to proselytize the TL population to the wonders of main stream media. Otherwise, go somewhere else. I'll comment on this now, starting with the first paragraph. If you go to CNN.com or 7online.com, there are plenty of other news stories, like tens and lots of them that aren't as big as this or presented differently yet posted on the website. I said I only posted the most interesting news of the day that I see after researching. One bullet would be news b/c it's not the bullets that was news here, it was the incident of a block party at Harlem resulted into violence that allowed conflict between people to people, then people to cops, then now court. Media companies do recycle news but you're like saying THEY'RE DOING IT ALL THE TIME. I started my internship at WABC this week and after experiencing their methods of maintaining 7online.com, they take their info from AP (and give credit to them as it's legal) and other sources after research. Filler stories are still considered news b/c they're new development, new things, new something. They aren't going to present a story that's a week old obviously, b/c their job is to present something completely new at that time filler, serious, comedy, or w/e. Fine, I won't win any points on IRC, talking to TL on streams, or w/e. But read what I wrote on other parts about why I feel news is important. And I told you that I'm not going to blog, so if thats your answer saying blog or don't do it at all, then fine, I'll stop this pursuit of passion to share information and keep all the news to myself like I've always been. I'll just settle for something else that hopefully you will like and won't shut it down. It's no longer my job to share and hope to educate and help TLers with news anymore b/c you won't approve of it. | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
If you see a really interesting news article then the precedent is that you can definitely do it in general for discussion but... more than once every week or so probably won't fly regardless of who it is or why they are doing it. | ||
OHtRUe
United States283 Posts
On August 20 2010 11:31 Manifesto7 wrote: I got to here and then closed. Whining about imba, being sarcastic, and talking in absolutes is a poor way to make your point. If you think it is great blog it, but it isn't a worthwhile thread for the general SC2 section. Let me ask you this, do you disagree? Can you prove that i'm wrong? If you can honestly disprove my points i wont argue with this. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. There is no way to argue that wide open seconds and cramped maps dont favor Zerg and that you're saying that having a back door doesn't create more All in opportunities pretty much means I cant call anything a fact. But then again i guess im just whining about imbalance..... Honestly if I can't discuss/ "whine" (which is a terrible word by the way s) about perfectly reasonable topics that should be talked about then whats the point of these forums? To talk about how to create Zerg Tears?(which was never closed by the way) I get where your coming from, but come on..... | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
I happen to agree with your argument but that's not the way to do it, and it's certainly not the way to realize that change. That's just a ranty opinion piece, and it's not thread worthy. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:29 OHtRUe wrote: Let me ask you this, do you disagree? Can you prove that i'm wrong? If you can honestly disprove my points i wont argue with this. Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. There is no way to argue that wide open seconds and cramped maps dont favor Zerg and that you're saying that having a back door doesn't create more All in opportunities pretty much means I cant call anything a fact. But then again i guess im just whining about imbalance..... Honestly if I can't discuss/ "whine" (which is a terrible word by the way s) about perfectly reasonable topics that should be talked about then whats the point of these forums? To talk about how to create Zerg Tears?(which was never closed by the way) I get where your coming from, but come on..... I agree completely about it. But the way you presented your argument was extremely poor, and took away from the main point you are trying to make. Also, it is a much better thread if you actually have something to share (like say you had made a map) then just yelling at a game company and community to do something without doing anything yourself. The point of the forums is to make the community better. Not to sit back and point out flaws which you aren't willing to help solve yourself. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On August 20 2010 14:29 OHtRUe wrote: Honestly i think everyone agrees that it is absolute that the current maps favor Terran as in general everything i mentioned above 100% supports terran. I don't agree with this. | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
Yeah that is nowhere near unanimous at all. | ||
Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
Threads like this are unacceptable. There is a section of the forum specifically made for "why was my thread closed" but making a new blog to bitch about another being closed is bad. Please stop. A quote from admin regarding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=149955 I get it that you can't make blog posts complaining about why my other blog post was locked, this was not the case so I wonder why it's not acceptable to have a blogpost discussing views/posts/locked? It's just a discussion | ||
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
On September 04 2010 07:25 Carnac wrote: Other than the thread you just linked I dont see any another recent thread/blog made by you, so I am thoroughly confused. Maybe you're drunk? I am not drunk ![]() | ||
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United States24601 Posts
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Plexa
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USA29055 Posts
A video with a random cartoon video that means NOTHING and no explanation is a terrible blog.. you seriously asking why it was closed? I had just closed a blog bitching about a blog being closed by you too. Shape up or ship out plz. | ||
The PWNion
Canada39 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
Unless it's written by Check or July, I see no reason to bring over balance complaints from no name Koreans. Their views are no more important than no name Westerners'. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On September 06 2010 00:38 The PWNion wrote: even if the discussion was shit. ![]() A non-shit discussion is a prerequisite for a non-closed thread. | ||
kariido
Saudi Arabia179 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
This is not the place to discuss how everyone would like the game to be, this is the place to discuss how the game is and how to improve at the current game we are all playing. | ||
Reubachi
United States40 Posts
And I apologize for not linking, I am on my phone. | ||
Vexx
United States462 Posts
On September 08 2010 01:19 Reubachi wrote: Vexx's thread had evolved into a pretty competent discussion of game mechanics rather than balance changes, is it possible that the thread can be re opened in the interest of discussing the current infestor spells? And I apologize for not linking, I am on my phone. Thanks for the support. Jibba, I don't think allowing balance discussions would turn TL into battle.net. I think it would allow us to actually talk about starcraft instead of seeing 20 threads about "look at my stream" or "do you post gl/hf?" "how important is your rank to you?" "Morrow banned!" But you guys can act like you know everything and balance suggestions are pointless and so forth. Though, considering Plexa came into my thread to call me out and make a fool of himself, I'm not too sure even TL mods can't benefit from some more gameplay discussion. Basically, TL is just going to be a place to come read about personalities like a soap opera if we're not able to discuss the game. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On September 08 2010 02:14 Vexx wrote: Thanks for the support. Jibba, I don't think allowing balance discussions would turn TL into battle.net. I think it would allow us to actually talk about starcraft instead of seeing 20 threads about "look at my stream" or "do you post gl/hf?" "how important is your rank to you?" "Morrow banned!" But you guys can act like you know everything and balance suggestions are pointless and so forth. Though, considering Plexa came into my thread to call me out and make a fool of himself, I'm not too sure even TL mods can't benefit from some more gameplay discussion. Basically, TL is just going to be a place to come read about personalities like a soap opera if we're not able to discuss the game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86434¤tpage=13#250 TL has always allowed balance threads if they stay purposeful and objective. For example comparing how one race's advantages compare to another's for the purpose of determining the strongest style of play has huge value. I would love to see more threads like that. However, comparing one race to the other for the purpose of objective some completely subjective and arbitrary "level of balance" has no balance. There's nothing to cite and the discussion has no end. It's an endless "post your opinion" thread, which has always been closed on TL. Worse yet are the "this is how I would balance SC2" threads. I think this line of moderating is clear, understandable and has been consistent. | ||
Wolfpox
Canada164 Posts
On August 19 2010 05:45 Chill wrote: Yes, I will continue to close any balance thread in the Starcraft 2 section. Read on! Starcraft players live in a world confined by rules (the game data is made by Blizzard - we can't change it). Posting how to bend those rules (glitches, tricks) is very valuable. Posting how to maximize our abilities in that world (strategy, tactics, mechanics build orders) is also very valuable. Identifying problems with the rules (racial balance threads, unit balance threads) help us to fully understand the potential of the rules. Asking for help about the world (help threads, posting replays) is encouraged. However, posting that you wish the rules were changed has no value. Because the rules are the rules. It doesn't matter how you want them to be, because you will not get them changed. So it boils down to your own personal opinion. Which means it should be a blog ("These are my views on StarCraft II", "How I wish StarCraft II was"). Do you agree? I understand, but I don't agree simply because I think that community feedback, suggestions and ideas are noticed and considered by Blizzard, especially when an idea spreads. Even if they don't jump at a suggestion, they have said that they are paying attention, and even pointed out specific examples (such as Husky's kitten video). I agree that balance discussion is not about pragmatic advice, but it's not just wishing. Complaining and especially crystallizing opinion in a way that may become "loud" enough that Blizzard notices is worth it. But using Blogs is a fair way to allow discussion too, so i won't complain | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On September 08 2010 21:22 Wolfpox wrote: I understand, but I don't agree simply because I think that community feedback, suggestions and ideas are noticed and considered by Blizzard, especially when an idea spreads. Even if they don't jump at a suggestion, they have said that they are paying attention, and even pointed out specific examples (such as Husky's kitten video). I agree that balance discussion is not about pragmatic advice, but it's not just wishing. Complaining and especially crystallizing opinion in a way that may become "loud" enough that Blizzard notices is worth it. But using Blogs is a fair way to allow discussion too, so i won't complain If we allowed (as we currently do) "This strategy is dominant in PvT", then we end up with one unified voice. The solution is up to Blizzard. If we allowed (as we currently don't) "This is what I would do to Stalkers and Phoenixes and Marauders and Colossi and Chrono Boost and Scan and ...." then we end up with a convoluted and baseless mess that serves no value to the community or Blizzard. | ||
FreezerJumps
Canada653 Posts
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TheNSWPB
Canada9 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=151259 Thank you! | ||
Wolfpox
Canada164 Posts
Chill wrote: If we allowed (as we currently do) "This strategy is dominant in PvT", then we end up with one unified voice. The solution is up to Blizzard. If we allowed (as we currently don't) "This is what I would do to Stalkers and Phoenixes and Marauders and Colossi and Chrono Boost and Scan and ...." then we end up with a convoluted and baseless mess that serves no value to the community or Blizzard. I suppose the question is whether Blizzard knows what kind of solution to make, or if they could use suggestions to help them. I don't see them begging for ideas of course, and I think if they did acknowledge ideas they were considering taking from the community they would see a massive flood of them, so it's prudent to be quiet about it, but I do think it's possible to plant some ideas in their heads that could end up making a difference. I agree that a convoluted mess is much less likely to make a difference though, so I suppose what I would like is a prominent way to suggest ideas, theorize and be creative ourselves without tucking them away with everything else. A site feature or dedicated area. That would make it more visible and accessible, lose some of the stigma associated with it, and even if it wasn't united, it would be more about exploring ideas anyway, and seeing what sticks, or indirectly influences design as well. However, the way you put it, taking currently existing strategies and highlighting their usage in actual games, does something similar by indirectly suggesting that something changes, except without offering a "solution". So, yes I do agree with your decision to not allow balance suggestions in the normal threads. | ||
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United States45 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
When the last post is by a mod or banling (like Jibba) it makes much more sense to PM him about this than to post here. | ||
Knickknack
United States1187 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150573 I thought the point the op brought up was valid one at least, and there was some interesting talk about time being useful and how day9 should show it for strategical purposes. And the other side was arguing against this I suppose? In any case. Kennigits last post was particularly disappointing. "YOU JUST DONT GET IT!!!!!" Really necessary to yell at people on the internet? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 11 2010 07:06 Knickknack wrote: I'm going to ask why this thread was closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150573 I thought the point the op brought up was valid one at least, and there was some interesting talk about time being useful and how day9 should show it for strategical purposes. And the other side was arguing against this I suppose? In any case. Kennigits last post was particularly disappointing. "YOU JUST DONT GET IT!!!!!" Really necessary to yell at people on the internet? Do people really still reads CAPS as if people are yelling at them? I thought only grandparents still did that. D: | ||
TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On September 08 2010 01:06 Jibba wrote: They can express them to Blizzard if they so choose. What we have now is a bunch of people with no credentials throwing out hair brained ideas on how they think the game should be fixed. This isn't WoW and we're no longer in Beta. If everyone's ideas for balanced were published in the SC2 forums, it'd just be B.net forums without the memes. Blizzard isn't going to restructure the Protoss tech tree or change how Inject works, and I don't accept undefined, unsupported premises like "zerg is too hard." This is not the place to discuss how everyone would like the game to be, this is the place to discuss how the game is and how to improve at the current game we are all playing. Wow you said it perfectly. I'd like to suggest that something to this effect be put in a sticky concerning balance discussion. While there have been some very well written and intriguing balance posts by Raelcun, LaLush, and a very select few others; most of them have consist of nonsense like "zerglings should be able to jump cliffs!111". It's getting a bit tiring weeding through the nonsense in the SC2 general forum to find the good posts. Just an idea. | ||
dvide
United Kingdom287 Posts
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alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On September 13 2010 04:11 dvide wrote: Hi mods. Can I suggest that the topic rules be added to a featured thread or sticky? As someone who is new to Starcraft and tl.net, it was not entirely clear to me what topics are acceptable to discuss before I read this one obscure thread. It would make your moderating jobs easier too. Thanks. We dont link to the 10 commandments??? On September 08 2010 00:36 kariido wrote: Jibba, I don't agree with your reasoning for closing any and all threads related to changes or adjustments in regards to balance. People need to express their thoughts and/or opinions on the current state of the game's mechanics and units if we want this game to progress and develop further. Yes, the game is relatively new but why would it hurt to have a meaningful discussion that could influence the Blizzard dev team? Constructive criticism and brainstorming ideas is never a bad thing, especially if it may result in a positive change in the game. How many threads do we need on the same stupid topic???? Especially if it's another no-namer making the topic?? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150440 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=144149 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=152533 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=140724 that's just within two pages of the SC2 general section... | ||
beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
Can you post something actually useful and not condescending when someone politely asks mods about something? @ dvide You said you know it now but imo it won't hurt to be little more specific about what Hawk meant. Anyone who uses common sense can abide to 8 of TL.net Ten Commandments without actually reading them. What interests you the most here is part of the 4th one For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content. Wasn't a window with similar info supposed to pop up for the new users when they try to create a thread? | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On September 15 2010 03:25 beetlelisk wrote: Can you post something actually useful and not condescending when someone politely asks mods about something? that was actually a question to the mods there kiler | ||
dvide
United Kingdom287 Posts
On September 15 2010 03:25 beetlelisk wrote: You said you know it now but imo it won't hurt to be little more specific about what Hawk meant. Anyone who uses common sense can abide to 8 of TL.net Ten Commandments without actually reading them. What interests you the most here is part of the 4th one I read the ten commandments but it's not nearly specific enough. Like you say, the ten commandments are all common sense stuff mostly to eliminate trolls and spam and things like that. But it's not common sense to forgo discussing hypothetical changes to the game and what the consequences would be. That much should be clear from the sheer number of people who post about it, because they're obviously not just trolling. And not all of them are even whining. "Content worth discussing" is a highly subjective thing. If you have more specific criteria as to what constitutes "content worth discussing" then it should be made clear, if only for the sake of saving the OP's time and the moderator's time. But I also feel it would help to not make new people feel unwelcome here and reluctant to post anything, all because it's not clear what is acceptable and what isn't. It just doesn't help berating people as though it was obvious when it really wasn't, and especially when others cannot see the berating and the reasons for it once the thread has been locked anyway. But I'm not going to request that you allow balance threads, because it's your forums and that's fine. All I'm suggesting is that it be made clear somewhere in plain sight what is acceptable to discuss and what isn't, for the sake of relationships and time saved. | ||
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United States10654 Posts
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
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United States22883 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule18993 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On September 15 2010 07:46 dvide wrote: I read the ten commandments but it's not nearly specific enough. Like you say, the ten commandments are all common sense stuff mostly to eliminate trolls and spam and things like that. But it's not common sense to forgo discussing hypothetical changes to the game and what the consequences would be. That much should be clear from the sheer number of people who post about it, because they're obviously not just trolling. And not all of them are even whining. "Content worth discussing" is a highly subjective thing. If you have more specific criteria as to what constitutes "content worth discussing" then it should be made clear, if only for the sake of saving the OP's time and the moderator's time. But I also feel it would help to not make new people feel unwelcome here and reluctant to post anything, all because it's not clear what is acceptable and what isn't. It just doesn't help berating people as though it was obvious when it really wasn't, and especially when others cannot see the berating and the reasons for it once the thread has been locked anyway. But I'm not going to request that you allow balance threads, because it's your forums and that's fine. All I'm suggesting is that it be made clear somewhere in plain sight what is acceptable to discuss and what isn't, for the sake of relationships and time saved. Or, people could understand that when entering a new community, the onus is on them to refrain from posting until they have observed what is acceptable and what is not. Unfortunately this is the internet and people have an unbelievable sense of entitlement. | ||
Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
It's always seemed like an ask questions and shoot later sort of thing, ya know. If people can't observe their surroundings and adapt they're not gonna be much for the sc community anyway :p | ||
rozina
Slovenia72 Posts
A quite educational thread which could have gathered more useful tips if it were not closed. I must ask why was it closed and why with such bad manners by the admin, calling it garbage. Not very TL like if you ask me! | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 23 2010 07:54 rozina wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154742 A quite educational thread which could have gathered more useful tips if it were not closed. I must ask why was it closed and why with such bad manners by the admin, calling it garbage. Not very TL like if you ask me! Well, first I'll quote the explanation that I posted in that thread, because I think it answers your question straight out: On September 22 2010 21:39 JWD wrote: Garbage thread, sorry. There's no actual discussion going on here, just post count inflation. In general threads that are merely "post your X" will not fare well in this forum... To get into more detail: SC2 General should be a place for (1) showcasing awesome / useful OPs or (2) generating useful or interesting discussion. If your thread falls into the third category of (3) a collection of one-liners, then it will have a tough time surviving in SC2 General. By and large "post your X" threads do not endure unless the individual posts in them live up to a certain standard of quality (for an example see this thread that's been living in BW for a long time now (keep in mind that it began when moderation at TL was much more lax—a different time). In that thread, each post tends to be full of pictures and great stories. Now compare that thread to yours, which began with 5 lines of text and is littered with posts like this: On September 21 2010 23:22 storm44 wrote: im in diamond and I didn't know that scv's could attack lol On September 21 2010 23:33 Iamsmart wrote: How to research hallucination (seriously, didn't know it exiseted, improving my PvZ drastically!) On September 21 2010 23:54 MangoTango wrote: Burrow is tier 2 tech. :s I'm aware there were some useful tips in there, but that they were buried in 10 pages of junk means that the thread wasn't going to be helpful to anyone and would instead simply occupy valuable space on our sidebar. (As I said in my post above) I'm sorry for calling the thread garbage. What I meant by that is that the thread was not up to snuff for SC2 General. | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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United States12607 Posts
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KentHenry
United States260 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155623 I was just curious if anyone else felt if nukes needed a tweak and I was just bouncing ideas off of others. Also, the small argument between me and another member about TLO using nukes against hyberdub was my mistake, I misunderstood what he meant by nuking an empty space to stop the opponent from moving on his position. I took it as TLO was nuking an empty space and hyperdub's vikings were moving on his position. | ||
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On September 25 2010 07:40 KentHenry wrote: Hello, I was just wondering why my thread was closed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=155623 I was just curious if anyone else felt if nukes needed a tweak and I was just bouncing ideas off of others. Also, the small argument between me and another member about TLO using nukes against hyberdub was my mistake, I misunderstood what he meant by nuking an empty space to stop the opponent from moving on his position. I took it as TLO was nuking an empty space and hyperdub's vikings were moving on his position. It's always a tough decision to close a thread that's gone unnoticed long enough to have a few pages of discussion in it, but in the SC2 General forum there just isn't room for everyone to advocate for their pet game changes. Look in the Closed Threads forum and you will see that you weren't being singled out; I'd guess maybe 20% of the threads mods close are SC2 General threads proposing some game change. That these threads are clever or address a really important game issue is very, very rare. As such they are usually just venues for complaining/arguing about balance and marginally useful theorycrafting. We hold SC2 General to a higher standard than that. | ||
chinaski.chinaski
Russian Federation81 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148399 i feel that my topic is very well explained, is not my fault (i hope) that discussion went in wrong direction. HOVEWER some people really tried to save it and it get closed before it was a chance to surivive | ||
Chef
10810 Posts
BroodWar is so fucking desolate right now... It needs content damn it. Blogs gets like 100 threads a day. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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United States22883 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On September 26 2010 18:10 chinaski.chinaski wrote: hi gents i dont fully udnerstand why you get clsoed that topic: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=148399 i feel that my topic is very well explained, is not my fault (i hope) that discussion went in wrong direction. HOVEWER some people really tried to save it and it get closed before it was a chance to surivive We closed it because it generated discussion which was terrible. | ||
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joonp
United States105 Posts
??? it promotes discussion about things in Starcraft (which is what the Starcraft forum is there for) It got 3 pages of response in a short amount of time and has a lot of discussion going on about the community, what reason is there for closing it? Basically it is just 1 mod out of however many are lurking at the time look at any thread they don't like and say "This thread stinks based on my personal opinion so I will close it" that is an extremely biased,unjust and power abusive way of sorting threads when there isn't any real reason for closing threads. | ||
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Threads in which people just list whatever items w/o any actual conversation are generally discouraged, that's all there is to it. | ||
joonp
United States105 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:48 Carnac wrote: Is that really the feedback you wan't to give with your history of banned accounts and bad posts? Threads in which people just list whatever items w/o any actual conversation are generally discouraged, that's all there is to it. Bad posts? What gradient do you have to judge what posts are objectively "good" besides biased admin opinions who seem delete and ban happy? There is conversation in that thread, it is asking a thought provoking question to the community to promote discussion, and it definitely did that (note the quick growth of the thread and people talking back and forth about it). Even if my opening post wasn't extremely in depth, the thread was developing into a decent thread pretty quickly, so I don't see a reason to delete the entire thread for that reason, particularly when there isn't any other thread with that topic of discussion happening at the time. If the topic was inappropriate to the forum I can see a thread move being appropriate, but why close it completely? | ||
Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:55 joonp wrote: Bad posts? What gradient do you have to judge what posts are objectively "good" besides biased admin opinions who seem delete and ban happy? There is conversation in that thread, it is asking a thought provoking question to the community to promote discussion, and it definitely did that (note the quick growth of the thread and people talking back and forth about it). Even if my opening post wasn't extremely in depth, the thread was developing into a decent thread pretty quickly, so I don't see a reason to delete the entire thread for that reason, particularly when there isn't any other thread with that topic of discussion happening at the time. If the topic was inappropriate to the forum I can see a thread move being appropriate, but why close it completely? Ignoring the fact that they are indeed bad posts, they don't need to present a gradient. The first of the 10 commandments is, and I quote "This is our house." We're all visitors in the grand scheme of things. | ||
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United States11637 Posts
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France8043 Posts
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On October 14 2010 14:52 Boblion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=160544 ? He put no effort into thread. Just posting a replay link and going OMG SO AWESOME = auto-close. | ||
-_-
United States7081 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161228 I personally disagreed with the original poster, but it was an interesting post with some effort put into it. Why was it closed? Because it was critical of an important member of the community? | ||
a176
Canada6688 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 14 2010 22:04 Harem wrote: He put no effort into thread. Just posting a replay link and going OMG SO AWESOME = auto-close. I think the bare min of a thread is +4 full lines of text(8 half lifes, 16 fourth lines etc.) preferentially generated by the user and less then 40% blue space (TL's white space). And pictures always help! | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On October 17 2010 15:12 a176 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161428 not even for blog section? It's a passive thought with no substance. No reason to open a thread for stuff like that. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
Why on earth can I not post a chatlog of an extended joke that I and many other people found quite hilarious? Blogs are for personal stuff, and that had content. A thread with a one line joke about SCVs gets featured, but this doesn't pass as a blog? What... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161609 | ||
Phrujbaz
Netherlands512 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159322¤tpage=4 Usually if there's no moderator comment, there's a forum veteran at least explaining what's going on, but I have no clue why that thread would be closed. | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
On October 20 2010 08:29 Phrujbaz wrote: Why was this thread closed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159322¤tpage=4 Usually if there's no moderator comment, there's a forum veteran at least explaining what's going on, but I have no clue why that thread would be closed. I didn't close it but I don't think we want threads on tl linking directly to game files. | ||
TadH
Canada1846 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163719 It clearly says in the title "What does this say". It's also very clear that it's an error message. which is why it was posted in the Technical support forum. I PM'd the mod who closed it and he said this " blog it. if you find out what it means feel free to remake in tech support ----------------------------------------- Original Message From TadH: Where else would I post it? I'm having problems connecting to my korean account, which is a technical problem, where would you like me to post it?" Why would I blog this when it's clearly a tech support question, not me ranting about girls etc. Thanks in advance | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
You're right that it's a technical issue but posting that, especially with a crappy OP like that, in the technical support section is a lot less likely to grab someone who can read Korean than posting it in Blogs would. If you do remake it as a Blog, add some description and a title that will actually let people know what's going on. | ||
TadH
Canada1846 Posts
On October 28 2010 02:23 Jibba wrote: You posted no description of what was going on, what language was required, etc. You just posted a screenshot and expected people to come into your thread (again, you didn't ask for a Korean translator.) You're right that it's a technical issue but posting that, especially with a crappy OP like that, in the technical support section is a lot less likely to grab someone who can read Korean than posting it in Blogs would. If you do remake it as a Blog, add some description and a title that will actually let people know what's going on. Blogs are not for asking for technical support issues, unless I'm mistaken, that would undermine the whole Technical Support sub forum. why not just merge the two, you can call it "Technical support Blogs" | ||
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Calgary25967 Posts
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TadH
Canada1846 Posts
On October 28 2010 03:45 Chill wrote: Are you kidding me? It's a one-line image with a question in the Title. TL isn't your personal Rosetta Stone. The fact that you're discussing it being closed is actually crazy. Do not remake that as a blog or anywhere on TL. but if I add a few line of text, I could then use TL as my personal rosetta stone? you know cause the image and title arent clear enough. And the reason why I'm asking here is because the PM I received said to repost it as a blog, so I'm getting conflicting advice from the staff here. | ||
mahnini
United States6862 Posts
you could have very easily just made a blog asking for a quick translation with some context and info on why you needed it, once you've obtained that you could post the translation in tech support along with the circumstances in which you got the error and really avoided everything here. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On October 28 2010 04:42 TadH wrote: but if I add a few line of text, I could then use TL as my personal rosetta stone? you know cause the image and title arent clear enough. And the reason why I'm asking here is because the PM I received said to repost it as a blog, so I'm getting conflicting advice from the staff here. Post the PM. Edit: The entire PM, not just the snippet you previously posted. | ||
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United States6862 Posts
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GarlicPepper
United States563 Posts
I see now there was a typo in the title. Can a mod change this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164499 | ||
sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=164606 The person who closed it wrote: This OP is unreadable. Please capitalize and learn to use periods for God's sake. I admit that I haven't capitalized enough, nevertheless I never got even the chance to edit it - also from the amount of feedback the thread received I didn't get the feeling it was "unreadable" Also I received a warning with a PM that included: Please try to post on teamliquid.net using proper English. This includes spelling out words like "you" and "you're" and appropriate grammar and spelling. After reading my OP again twice I couldn't finde a single "you - you're" error or "that" many grammar/spelling errors. I honestly think the warning was overly harsh because I really tried to structure the OP and elaborate my thoughts. I apologize for not using proper capitalization/periods and hope I get at least the chance to edit my OP. | ||
GarlicPepper
United States563 Posts
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Sweden348 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On October 30 2010 09:58 GarlicPepper wrote: I still haven't got a response. Is it ok if I repost my blog with the title fixed? I don't think your problem was the title... if you post it again it will likely be closed again. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On October 30 2010 09:58 GarlicPepper wrote: I still haven't got a response. Is it ok if I repost my blog with the title fixed? No, it's terrible. Don't repost it please. | ||
mgj
191 Posts
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165505 "your lack of effort in an OP makes me sad and angry." You shutting down a 5-page long discussion makes me sad =/ "X company is now worth Y <link to source> - what do you think?" ... is a perfectly fine, no? This is news about a fact, what else can you say? Do we really want people trying to put some silly twist on the story just to prove themself worthy of creating threads? I dont understand that logic, OP apparently was enough to get people involved. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
TL isn't some news RSS feed. We had a blight of people posting news article links and saying "thoughts?" That is a shitty precedent, as people rushed to be the first to post news. In order to fix that, we expect some sort of conversation starter from the OP for news threads. The OP is usually required to give his opinion on the article, or some sort of personal expertise to add to the discussion. The "OP apparently was enough to get people involved" is a losing argument because I've seen 15 pages about a dog getting a blowjob from someone's girlfriend. Our mandate is to protect quality; the amount of replies doesn't necessarily speak to thread quality. | ||
seRapH
United States9715 Posts
On November 03 2010 00:37 Chill wrote: I didn't close it, but I'll give my opinion. TL isn't some news RSS feed. We had a blight of people posting news article links and saying "thoughts?" That is a shitty precedent, as people rushed to be the first to post news. In order to fix that, we expect some sort of conversation starter from the OP for news threads. The OP is usually required to give his opinion on the article, or some sort of personal expertise to add to the discussion. The "OP apparently was enough to get people involved" is a losing argument because I've seen 15 pages about a dog getting a blowjob from someone's girlfriend. Our mandate is to protect quality; the amount of replies doesn't necessarily speak to thread quality. but that was pure gold, and a ton of effort was put into that OP! if someone posted something like that today would it be closed? ![]() | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On November 03 2010 01:14 seRapH wrote: but that was pure gold, and a ton of effort was put into that OP! if someone posted something like that today would it be closed? ![]() Very interested in knowing this too. I think it might, if only because TL has been moving in a more "safe for work" direction. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 03 2010 01:14 seRapH wrote: but that was pure gold, and a ton of effort was put into that OP! if someone posted something like that today would it be closed? ![]() No, it would just be moved to the rest of pachi's blogs. | ||
Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
not my thread but it appears as if Incontrol read the Early GG as an offensive GG not a giving up early... edit: OP asks about giving up early and he talks about throwing in your opponents towel I think he might have been confused? | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
On November 04 2010 03:57 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=166058 not my thread but it appears as if Incontrol read the Early GG as an offensive GG not a giving up early... edit: OP asks about giving up early and he talks about throwing in your opponents towel I think he might have been confused? I think he misread that but it was still not a particularly good thread... I mean is it bm to forfeit before you are completely and utterly crushed? I don't think so. | ||
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KinosJourney2
Sweden1811 Posts
On November 15 2010 14:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: While I understand why This thread was closed. I want my formal complaint logged here. This thread was like TLs equivalent of jersey shore and I was enjoying every bit of it. That thread was really entertaining, i also can't believe how many people got away with double and triple posting in it(and posting 1 liners). o_o | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On November 15 2010 14:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: While I understand why This thread was closed. I want my formal complaint logged here. This thread was like TLs equivalent of jersey shore and I was enjoying every bit of it. And I'll take this opportunity to formally thank the tl.net staff for not deleting it. For the most part, tl.net girls are the absolute best. But when they're not, it's more fun than my real life girl troubles. edited out mischievous smiley -_- | ||
Kelsin
United States253 Posts
Was the thread in the wrong forum? I also used the Contact Us form to ask this question before finding this thread and I apologize for that. On a side note my friend got over 1700 responses for his survey, he's thrilled and his professors are completely blown away. | ||
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Kelsin
United States253 Posts
On November 16 2010 10:17 Manifesto7 wrote: Nope, I misclicked and closed it by accident, my bad. Ty ![]() | ||
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On November 15 2010 20:01 KinosJourney2 wrote: That thread was really entertaining, i also can't believe how many people got away with double and triple posting in it(and posting 1 liners). o_o when threads get that bad, we usually just close them instead of banning everyone in the thread. If the thread gets heated, it makes more sense to remove the source then it does to judge them for the responses in there. Now if it's indicative of a terrible post history or something else, that's another story... | ||
Sanasante
United States321 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169831 I proceeded to PM Chill about the incident. He replied that in a nut shell the topic was not contributing to TL as a whole. I then proceeded to explain my purpose with the topic and how it related to the community and what my plans were and asked to repost the topic. As far as I noted my post did not violate anything posted on the website and there was no complaints. 1. THIS IS OUR HOUSE 2. THOU SHALL OBSERVE FORUM ETIQUETTE 3. THOU SHALL THINK BEFORE POSTING 4. THOU SHALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SITE 5. THOU SHALL NOT SPAM 6. THOU SHALL RESPECT FORUM VETERANS 7. ENGLISH IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE 8. THOU SHALL RESPECT YOUR ID 9. READ THE COMMANDMENTS 10. THOU SHALL HAVE FUN I understand that by no means does the Admin's have to be fair, as it is stated clearly, however it is posted that they will try to be. Feels like a cold robot response that will not even attempt to reason or ask questions. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
Original Message From Sanasante: I am using the survey to find a correlation between ladder ratings and peoples active interest in Starcraft. The topic is relevant and I am sharing the results with the community. I am not understanding why you closed the thread or what the problem is Original Message From Chill: You don't see a problem with a thread that's "Hey, fill out this survey for my school project"? Original Message From Sanasante: If you read past that part I explain a little bit more. I am not doing this for some basic stats course. I do not want to post much details of the project yet because I do not want my answers to be skewed based upon bias. I am using this survey to create a multiple regression equation to predict ladder ratings based upon peoples active interest in the game / time put into. Can I re-post this thread to finish my survey? Original Message From Chill: How is the amount of detail relevant to the problem? You are still doing this for school. You are still doing it only to serve yourself. I don't see how TL members get any benefit from this at the end of the day except "hey check this cool fact out." At the end of the day you get 99% of the benefit, and that is the basis of a bad thread. Original Message From Sanasante: I do not even have to create a survey for my project. I chose to make the topic on Starcraft because I wanted to give something back to the community. Go through all my posts in the Strategy forum. They are all 500 word essays. I frankly feel insulted that you group me with all the people on TL that are bringing it down. I am doing the project for school. Yes I am not doing the project to serve myself. I am doing the project to see if my theories about Ladder Ratings are correct. If they are I can expand my equation to include several more variables to more accurate predict my variable of interest. In the end I will be able to give the community an amount of time they should devote to playing if they wish to improve by x amount. A measure of progress with their game. I have been a member of Team Liquid since its foundation. I cannot remember my email address that long ago and that is the only reason I do not have my old account. I understand your trying to clean up TL but I have done nothing wrong. I have gone through your specific guidelines and I do not believe anything in my post deserved closing. You have trolling after trolling posts, people oogling over other players, and people posting things in the strat forums of which they have no clue and half of them stay open for a week, yet mine gets closed when I actually am trying to give something back. So I will ask my question again. Can I reopen the thread and will make the initial post more detailed? Original Message From Chill: I'll answer as I did before: No. Original Message From Sanasante: Again, no actual reason why. Is there another Admin I can talk to then, seeing as how you are impossible to reason with and take your position as a robot. I understand the job of being an admin, the time you put in, and the bullshit you deal with, I was head Admin of PGTour (Yes you can confirm with Chr1s if you think i'm bullshiting). Or could you ask FA to message me instead. Either way a reply would be appreciated. I have not violated anything posted in the guidelines. Latest message from Chill: I answered it completely before. The ratio of value drawn for yourself to the value provided to the community is completely out of whack. It's like me asking TL to vote for my band, and in return for winning me the $10,000 prize I will donate $10 to charity. You are getting a great specific sample size for your school work, and in return, you'll let us know how much to play. You are free me PM another moderator or administrator as you feel fit. The roster is listed under website feedback: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=80495 | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
which forum was it in and why was it deemed worthless for tl? if anything it was fine as a blog, had plenty of original content o.O | ||
Archas
United States6531 Posts
On November 27 2010 17:05 SpiritoftheTunA wrote: not mine but as for this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=172065 which forum was it in and why was it deemed worthless for tl? if anything it was fine as a blog, had plenty of original content o.O It was in SC2 General, I believe. Unit proposals there are a no-no, as I'm sure you're aware. | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
On November 28 2010 12:03 Impervious wrote: This thread of mine got closed. I totally understand why (terrible thread, terrible execution, only mildly funny). Just wondering who it was. I don't know who it was but this thread is not meant to inquire as to who closed your thread when you don't have an issue. Maybe if you become a staff member you can ask through internal channels or something! | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
I was merely curious, and figured this would be a better place for asking than making a new thread, clearly I was wrong. My bad. Its not that I had anything against whoever closed it. I actually sent a thank you pm to zatic for closing my last blog I made while drunk. Cheers! | ||
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infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On December 06 2010 12:58 Pokebunny wrote: Because its obvious and not worth a thread. Since it's not even close to obvious (at least not for me), the real reason is probably more like "You could have and should have posted this in the Top200 thread itself OR the general discussion thread" | ||
foxfire
United States32 Posts
Why was this closed please? | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On December 07 2010 13:39 foxfire wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174449 Why was this closed please? Thank you for using the appropriate thread. Although I am not a mod, I can explain to you why your tournament was closed. The reason why your tournament was closed was because it was not legitimate. I know that you have a license and all, but a license does not give legitimacy simply because there are no requirements to get a license. I can get a tournament license without even running a tournament. If Team Liquid allows every single tournament with a license from Blizzard to run, I can promise you that there will be at least one problem. In cases where money is involved, it is especially dangerous. If a buyin tournament happens to be a scam, that rests on the TL staff that allowed the tournament to happen, simply because it was advertised on TL. When comparing TL with other sc sites and even the bnet forums, TL is much more successful simply because we maintain such high standards. We would rather have very little tournaments run here than have a tournament that ends up being a scam. It wasn't anything personal that your tournament was closed, it was because it doesn't meet TL standards. TL is a place that you can run already legitimate tournaments, not a place where you can make a tournament legitimate. If you wish to advertise on TL in the future, I would advise the following: 1) Run the tournament successfully a few times without cash, or with cash, but advertised on other sites. 2) Get at least one moderator to help out with the tournament. It would also be nice to have a caster. 3) Put some more effort into the OP If you follow those criteria, I'm sure you would be able to advertise your tournament in the future. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
Pretty much I have no idea who you are, your thread looks like garbage, your website's #1 rule is basically "I am God". So run a few free tournaments or build up a reputation on the site so people know who you are. | ||
foxfire
United States32 Posts
I guess it comes down to the tastes of tl and they can't tell if something should be shut down or not... | ||
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Are you going to take the advice or not? Are you going to give evidence of having a Blizzard license or not? | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On December 07 2010 13:39 foxfire wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174449 Why was this closed please? Because you put no effort into your post, because your post contains no information, because your post exists simply to link your website, and because you go about your business very unprofessionally. If you cannot understand this, PM me and I will send you a series of MS paint flash cards depicting these four statements. | ||
foxfire
United States32 Posts
![]() Thank you. this has gone through the i dont know you, even though I hope to get to know more of the tl community. May I please have a tournament thread and my blog back? Who is the person who needs proof of the license? Sincerely foxfire | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175716 I had this discussion with him by PM: Tobberoth: I'm not stupid, I'm well aware a Korean ID is needed. Fortunately, I live with my korean girlfriend, so it's not an issue, and I would prefer more opinions, especially from Swedes with good internet. Zatic: Ask on a swedish forum then. TL isn't your personal survey service. ------ What I want to know is since when it's aganst the TL rules to want more opinions than one. Zatic doesn't even explain his "horrible lag" comment and he's the only one who had time to answer. It's not like I exclusively want opinions from Swedes and TL is the biggest forum so it makes sense to me to post it here. The post is about playing SC2 and it's in the SC2 general forum. If my thread is so bad that it deserves being closed, I would like a better response than "ask in a swedish forum", seems to me like a valid question on a forum filled with people playing SC2, and it's no more a survey than pretty much any other question on the forums. | ||
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Allscorpion
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:31 Allscorpion wrote: Why did my thread get closed even though there are no other threads about my topic and now nobody knows about it. Also for the 10 seconds it was up it got 200 views and everyone that voted aggred with my point? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=175540 Your thread is about a known issue that already has a consensus. There is almost no need for a thread discussing it because its basically asking "should X obvious flaw be improved?" Yes, yes it should. | ||
Allscorpion
United Kingdom319 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:36 Hot_Bid wrote: Your thread is about a known issue that already has a consensus. There is almost no need for a thread discussing it because its basically asking "should X obvious flaw be improved?" Yes, yes it should. if nobody is asking for it to be improved? How are blizzard suppose to know that we want it improved? Surely you can see that if something has 1000 yes votes and 0 No votes its going to be a sure evidence to get it fixed! | ||
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Spazer
Canada8029 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:38 Allscorpion wrote: if nobody is asking for it to be improved? How are blizzard suppose to know that we want it improved? Surely you can see that if something has 1000 yes votes and 0 No votes its going to be a sure evidence to get it fixed! Wouldn't it make more sense to post on the Blizzard forums then? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:38 Allscorpion wrote: if nobody is asking for it to be improved? How are blizzard suppose to know that we want it improved? Surely you can see that if something has 1000 yes votes and 0 No votes its going to be a sure evidence to get it fixed! Why don't you post it on Blizzard's forums then? It's much more likely to be read by them. 1000 vote thread on TL does nothing but clutter our forum. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On December 10 2010 21:38 Allscorpion wrote: if nobody is asking for it to be improved? How are blizzard suppose to know that we want it improved? Surely you can see that if something has 1000 yes votes and 0 No votes its going to be a sure evidence to get it fixed! Yes, I'm sure Blizzard's first task in the morning is checking threads on TL. If your purpose is changing SC2, you should send them an email or post on their forums. People would improve the quality of threads on TL if they would stop using them as an avenue to get a lot of replies in hopes of Blizzard changing their game. | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
"Merry Christmas" Although it is not my thread and thus not mine to write here - I will do it anyway. Although I could not care less if you close it or not (I posted in it but hey, you can do what you want, its your page) - I just wanted to say that in most parts of europe we celebrate christmas on the 24th. Thus it is not too early at least ! Too early, and just one line? You're gonna get coal in your stocking... Although I share that the OP really sucked and there was no effort put into it. So I understand why it was closed, I just dont share your first reason for it to be closed. Regards, Me | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
The OP sucked. It's going to get closed. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 24 2010 06:55 Manifesto7 wrote: An sms does not a Christmas make. I will see Christmas before anyone here other than the Kiwis and perhaps someone on some obscure Pacific navy base, and I still have a day left. The OP sucked. It's going to get closed. Only 13 hours left here! | ||
Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
![]() You may pick up the christian spirit and help someone in need, but there shouldnt be one day for that, you should do it all the time. Christmas is not a holiday to easy your concience but to actually rethink some aspects of your life. It is a day for those closest to you and even if you cannot see them in person, you let them know. You spend the time with the people you love and share a good time, maybe visit your hometown and see old friends again. Forgive those who wronged you or at least get rid of your anger and let go. And if you dont care about the religios part at all, maybe you just want the sun do rise up again, as it stops the southward path and goes up the sky again. For all those in the southern hemisphere, well for you the sun is going down. Sorry for that. I personally do not belive in god, but you can always celebrate a party .. this time, its Yule (or whatever you want to call it, I am not that much into the pagan stuff). I am going to visit my family whom I rarely speak to as we have our different opinions on how to live a life ... but that is non of your concern ![]() Merry christmas and if that says nothing to you, happy presents day. Not a christmas song, but a winter song. + Show Spoiler + Me out. ![]() PS: Who would have known that South Korea acknowledges Christmas as a holiday. Interesting. Well, that is the best I can do without working in to the night ![]() You can edit the hell out of it or at least tell me if you like some part. Maybe I can even post it later without getting closed ![]() 00:03 am, christmas time. | ||
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Motat
315 Posts
I read the rules, I don't see what i'm doing wrong. | ||
gakkgakk
Norway902 Posts
On January 10 2011 11:14 Motat wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183104 I read the rules, I don't see what i'm doing wrong. I am no expert on this, but I will try my best to help you understand this. Your original post was as follows: As zerg how would I beat a maruader/thor/tank ball? http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/126356-1v1-terran-zerg-steppes-of-war In the beginning I though I won, I did so much damage to him, but he pulled again and won eventually. The reply you got from the admin was a link to the strategy forum guidelines. Since your post was a [H] topic, you should read the part of the strategy forum guidelines about the [H] topics. It is as follows: [H] Help threads. Post a replay, give your own analysis, get help! The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay. Additionally, first put some thought into what happened in the game, and include your own analysis into the thread. It might be wrong, but try your best. It doesn’t have to be long, a few point form lines is enough to give people a starting point to give you advice. Your thread won’t last if you won’t put any effort in it. If you have specific questions, ask them along with your analysis. It’s always easier to reply if we know what exactly you need help with. The first thing that is said about [H] threads is: Post a replay, give your own analysis, get help! You did the first part correctly, you posted a replay. Also, you wanted some help. Theres no problem thus far. So that leaves only one thing: give your own analysis. One could say you did so with the following: In the beginning I though I won, I did so much damage to him, but he pulled again and won eventually. One could argue theres not much analysis there. In the beginning you thought you won. Fair enough. You did so much damage to him. So in the beginning of the game you did alot of damage to him and you thought you had the game won. But he somehow managed to defend, and eventually best you. In my humble opinion this is not a very good analysis. In fact, it almost seems as if you have not watched the replay yet. As if this post actually was rather impulsive. And theres actually a paragraph in the strategy forum guidelines about this: Additionally, first put some thought into what happened in the game, and include your own analysis into the thread. It might be wrong, but try your best. It doesn’t have to be long, a few point form lines is enough to give people a starting point to give you advice. Your thread won’t last if you won’t put any effort in it. Atleast for me, it is starting to become very clear why your thread was closed. I think if you had more specific questions about your game, it would live longer. Infact, now that I think of it, your one question is in the thread title ZVT how to win against maruader/thor/tank? Is this a composition you lose to on a regular basis? Are you having immense trouble with it? Or is it something that you have rarely encoutered, and you don't know how to play against it? In any case, someone before you have probably faced this composition. And maybe they've made a help thread about it. Or even better, they've come up with ways to win against it and have decided to make a guide on how to play against it. I only did a quick search, but you might want to check out http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=176625 . A great read for any aspiring zerg users. Allthough that particular thread doesn't really discuss your problem playing against maurader/thor/tank as an army composition, I am confident that you will, with a little effort, find threads that do. And if all else fails, you can try make a new thread, only this time, put a little more effort into it, so that it complies with the guidelines for the strategy forums. I hope that I have cleared some things up for you, Motat. And also, pardon my poorly written response. English is not my native language. | ||
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gakkgakk
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182538 The Steven Bonnell fanclub was closed with the reasoning being that hes not a "top" player when hes a 3300 ranked Zerg and 58th on the NA master rank. He also consistently streams with 600+ viewers if that has any bearing on him being popular enough for a fan club. His stream quality is great and commentary is hilarious. Oh and on the master list he is higher ranked than spades, who has a fanclub. | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
Then I decided to create a thread to discuss non featured streamers, who obviously arent well known enough, or respected, to become featured streamers. But that thread was also taken down, because usually streamers are supposed to have their own thread. I PM'ed Jibba about these thread takedowns and I got a very short word answer that can barely be called an explanation, just that Destiny should be discussed in destiny thread, which is the only thread concerning Steve Bonnell that hasnt been taken down (yet). It doesnt make sense that Steve gets around 1000 viewers often and has a fast growing following, and yet lesser streamers are featured and can have their own fanclub. And it probably isnt a coincidence or a mistake by the TL staff. Those who view Steve's stream on a regular basis are well aware of his recent relationship with the TL elite. If i remember it correctly I think he said himself that he wouldnt get featured even if he won a major us sc2 tournament. Seeing how every thread that mentions him here is killed at birth, im beginning to think he might be right. This campaign against him by the TL elite is getting obvious and quite laughable actually. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On January 10 2011 16:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: No one came here to ask, so I guess I will. I pmed Zatic but I figured I should of just posted it here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=182538 The Steven Bonnell fanclub was closed with the reasoning being that hes not a "top" player when hes a 3300 ranked Zerg and 58th on the NA master rank. He also consistently streams with 600+ viewers if that has any bearing on him being popular enough for a fan club. His stream quality is great and commentary is hilarious. Oh and on the master list he is higher ranked than spades, who has a fanclub. Except Spades actually has achievements.. | ||
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On January 10 2011 22:23 hallihg wrote: Can someone please show us, the many Destiny viewers and fans, written requirements to become a featured streamer, and the amount of achievements one needs to achieve that status? Nope, sorry. It's always a case by case decision. Anyway this place is about closed threads and your questions has been sufficiently answered I believe. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 10 2011 20:44 hallihg wrote: I created that Steve Bonell II fanclub thread, and as viewers can see, it was taken down because appearantly Destiny isnt well known / well respected enough by TL standards. Then I decided to create a thread to discuss non featured streamers, who obviously arent well known enough, or respected, to become featured streamers. But that thread was also taken down, because usually streamers are supposed to have their own thread. I PM'ed Jibba about these thread takedowns and I got a very short word answer that can barely be called an explanation, just that Destiny should be discussed in destiny thread, which is the only thread concerning Steve Bonnell that hasnt been taken down (yet). It doesnt make sense that Steve gets around 1000 viewers often and has a fast growing following, and yet lesser streamers are featured and can have their own fanclub. And it probably isnt a coincidence or a mistake by the TL staff. Those who view Steve's stream on a regular basis are well aware of his recent relationship with the TL elite. If i remember it correctly I think he said himself that he wouldnt get featured even if he won a major us sc2 tournament. Seeing how every thread that mentions him here is killed at birth, im beginning to think he might be right. This campaign against him by the TL elite is getting obvious and quite laughable actually. Destiny told his fans to spam our forum. He barely dodged a permanent ban for that and is less than 2 weeks off a stream ban. The person he was in that little spat with has been permanently removed from the site, so consider the relative punishments. Spades competes in tournaments and does fairly well. Destiny is just a streamer and while he has become more helpful, comparing him to competitive gamers based on his Blizzard ranking is ridiculous. When Destiny wins a major tournament, I'll absolutely look into having him featured. Featured streamers are judged on a balance of audio/video quality, skill, helpfulness and demeanor. He's not the only "top player" to be excluded because they don't meet all of those. | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
On January 10 2011 22:58 Jibba wrote: When Destiny wins a major tournament, I'll absolutely look into having him featured. . Thanks for a longer response this time. It's interesting to see the standards have been raised so significantly. But good to see that you'll look into it. But why are you blocking the creation of his fanclub for instance? | ||
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micronesia
United States24601 Posts
On January 11 2011 03:53 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Its about being a fan not the feats one has accomplished. If you and many other members are a fan of bacon you can't make a bacon fanclub either. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
Also, baller has a fan club. While I definitely think he is deserving of it, it's because of his quotes on TL, and has nothing to do with his ability in SC..... Yet someone who is contributing with a quality SC stream can't have one? While I totally understand about the featured stream part, it's a pretty messy situation with regards to the fan club issue..... I don't really see either side as being right or wrong here..... I impuslively hit "post", because I felt that I needed to get this out there, yet if I sat around and thought about it more, I'd probably end up not posting it..... | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [BRILLIANT IDEA] + Make a whole new forum for your ![]() Notice that teamliquid.net is not present among the results. Wow, this is looking great! You have dozens of websites just begging for your precious internet traffic, and waiting for you to set up a warm, loving Destiny fan forum. The first link looks pretty good, so let's go! ![]() Those 'Most Active forums' along the bottom right look pretty good, don't they? But don't go registering for those forums yet, you've got to finish reading this post first. Don't worry, they'll still be there when you finish. Well that looks pretty good, doesn't it? There's only one thing left to do. You have to go all the way, and show the world your ![]() Use those starcraft clicking skillz. Work that mouse button like a pro. You can create a forum all by yourself, and you don't even need your mom's permission. Click the 'Create a free forum' button, and then click through a few options, and you can get to here: ![]() And this, dear readers, is where I leave you. I trust that you will carry on in my stead. I wish you the best of luck, and a fun-loving forum. Free of oppressive pressure of teamliquid élite, you can expand your forum like an ideal gas, until destiny himself registers and posts on your forum. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
CDRdude, a better idea would be for fan pages not to exist at all and everyone just use the streamers thread for it. But if people like baller can have fan pages then I don't see why Destiny who puts actual time and effort into his stream can't have one. I am just saying how the rationale and reasoning for him not to have a fan club thread is completely unfair. At first you guys said because of his skill which doesn't make sense when talking about a fan page, and now you jump to being angry over syndicate starting a fight and him having people post some crap in his thread which I would say is not nearly as detrimental to the site as you guys are implying. | ||
freeto
United States122 Posts
On January 10 2011 21:20 zatic wrote: There is no campaign. Period. Laughable is what you are suggesting. Most of us have simply no idea who Destiny is. If he places well in tournaments (= top player) his stream will get featured. It's very very simple. hes beaten lots of top players in tournaments, ladder, and arranged matches. hes also significantly better than or equal to a ton of featured streams. for example i see response and trump are streaming right now. i know for a fact that steven has beaten both of them multiple times and they consider him an equally skilled player. | ||
Destiny
United States280 Posts
Whether or not a fan page goes up, nothing is going to change, and I'm cool with anything, really. Having viewers is good enough, I don't need a fan page or anything to bolster any e-cred or something. The problem is that some of you guys (see: zatic) are a little bit full of shit. If you don't want to have a fan thread because I encouraged members to all post "LESS QQ MORE IMPROVE" in someone's comment thread, then that's fine. I can understand that; utilizing teamliquid's resources to troll someone when teamliquid has provided you with 95% of your viewers is a pretty disrespectful thing to do. I've apologized for it and I regret doing it, but it's still been done. But don't say "he's not top player/not respected/not well known" when I play better, am more respected, and am more known than a decent number of featured streamers. It makes you look uneducated, spiteful, and vindictive. I'm clearly known (can easily stream 1k+ viewers), a decent player (as evidenced by SC2ranks, my matches against very highly rated players, and blizzard's master list), and I've beaten or put up some good games against some very well known and featured players (response, lzgamer, machine, artosis, catz, cellawerra, minigun, drewbie, just to name a few). Regardless, whether or not I have a fan thread, or whether or not one's even allowed for me, really isn't the issue. Just don't start listing a bunch of clearly BS reasons why you won't allow one. =/ | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
On January 11 2011 06:41 Chill wrote: I'm nearly 100% sure Day[9] has never encouraged people to spam our forums. http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/3534775 Watch the first ~30 seconds..... He's done some similar things near the end of episodes as well..... And they've resulted in a few dumbasses making a post of some kind about it..... It's done for a joking purpose, basically. It's totally a different story than any requests to maliciously spam someone. Then again, if Destiny asked his "followers" to maliciously spam TL (or anyone else), you guys would have probably banned him already, or at least threatened to ban him for it..... so I doubt his requests to spam anyone were malicious either..... Which doesn't really mean it's any different..... | ||
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lipidro
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freeto
United States122 Posts
he sounds pretty good, but hasnt really won any major tournaments or done anything big in the community. weird... | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:57 freeto wrote: who is sin btw? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179620 he sounds pretty good, but hasnt really won any major tournaments or done anything big in the community. weird... This situation looks like it's going to get even messier... | ||
lipidro
15 Posts
On January 11 2011 10:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote: This situation looks like it's going to get even messier... Had a less ridiculous reason been given then it probably wouldn't look that way. | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 11 2011 09:57 freeto wrote: As you can probably tell from the other fanclub thread, it's something that's being sorted out because I agree, the possibilities for a fanclub for everyone seem too open. At the very least respect the fact that it's been two weeks since he was unbanned ("in the past" arguments don't work, Monkeyspanker) so "the doghouse" seems more than reasonable enough for me.who is sin btw? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=179620 he sounds pretty good, but hasnt really won any major tournaments or done anything big in the community. weird... Destiny, I apologize. I followed your stream for several months after release but I hadn't paid attention to your recent UG results. Those are certainly eye opening and I'll watch if you're playing in any other tournaments. There is no purely objective formula for featuring. I gave you the main criteria involved, and we find a balance that we like. In Destiny's case, it was brought up even before the Syndicate crap happened and the decision was the same. It is subjective but I can guarantee you besides a few extreme cases, the subjectivity works in the favor of the streamer. | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
I can understand not featuring him right now because of what he did on his stream a few weeks ago, but that was not the issue at hand. Destiny's fans just don't understand why you let other random fanclubs be open but not a fanclub for him when a has nothing to do with what bad things he had done in the past. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I am saying it is not as related as you guys were pretending earlier. On top of that the reason listed for it being closed was because Destiny sucks and no one has ever heard of him. Yes its a FORM of promotion but it wouldn't necessarily lead to a huge spike in viewers, maybe a small increase, unlike featuring which could easily double someones viewer count. I don't see how a fan thread is a privilege for Destiny which you are trying to imply. If it was something he really cared about then he would of made the thread. You closed something belonging to the community because of an issue with him. Fanclub and featuring are not anywhere near as related as you are trying to implicate. Look, that's just not true. You can keep repeating it, but just like featuring, it has a dual purpose of being for the fans/viewers and being for the person. | ||
lipidro
15 Posts
On January 11 2011 12:46 Jibba wrote: Look, that's just not true. You can keep repeating it, but just like featuring, it has a dual purpose of being for the fans/viewers and being for the person. Yes but you have a say directly in who gets featured, not the fans apparently; whereas the fans decide if they want a fanclub page for the streamer. Putting someone on the front page user streams is far different than someone seeking out a potential fanclub page on the forums. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:06 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: The problem is that some of you guys (see: zatic) are a little bit full of shit. If you don't want to have a fan thread because I encouraged members to all post "LESS QQ MORE IMPROVE" in someone's comment thread, then that's fine. Stop posting BS yourself. I closed the thread because I had never heard of you, that's all there is to it. And I wasn't the only one on staff who hasn't. Only when this discussion here started after that I read about the past drama. Needless to say that didn't exactly swing my opinion in your favor. | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Its reasonable for Destiny to assume that since you guys don't generally like him that you would close the thread on that reasoning which is fine since it is your site, but it would be preferable if you didn't pretend not to know him. That is why is he wrote that. I mean I if you aren't paying attention to the stream section to know who is good then its reasonable to assume you closed his fanclub page because you didn't like him or what he did, not because he was unknown. Anyway, I don't think you guys are going to change your mind on this and all the arguments have been made. Reread it and maybe you will change your mind. I seriously think you are overestimating the benefits of a Destiny fanclub on his viewership but its fine. If you guys watch his play like Jibba said he would you will see the quality and in time you can look past his previous indiscretions and allow a fanclub for him, or maybe even feature him. | ||
Destiny
United States280 Posts
On January 11 2011 13:20 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Zatic, how often do you watch streams? I mean if you aren't familiar with popular streamers then why are you moderating the fanclub threads since you are admitting you aren't aware of which players are noteworthy. I mean I didn't see you close that SiNs thread even though that guy is unknown and seemingly unaccomplished. This. I'm not trying to tote my own horn or anything, but I stream pretty much every night of the week and can easily get 1k + viewers, I don't see how you could have never heard of me if you know anything about the SC2 streams here. I can understand if you don't like me, or don't like some of the things I've done, but it just sounded like you were trying to be an asshole when you closed the thread and said "Who?". =/ | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
On January 11 2011 08:06 Steven.Bonnell.II wrote: Regardless, whether or not I have a fan thread, or whether or not one's even allowed for me, really isn't the issue. Just don't start listing a bunch of clearly BS reasons why you won't allow one. =/ Sums it up for me and really the whole reason I spent time and energy on making those threads and posting here. And if zatic hasnt heard of the stream or the streamer, he needs to take a break from whatever the fuck he does this whole time here on TL and expand the non-featured link to look around. Its right here zatic, on the right. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
On January 11 2011 13:40 hallihg wrote: Sums it up for me and really the whole reason I spent time and energy on making those threads and posting here. And if zatic hasnt heard of the stream or the streamer, he needs to take a break from whatever the fuck he does this whole time here on TL and expand the non-featured link to look around. Its right here zatic, on the right. I'm all for calling someone out if they're wrong..... But you don't need to sound like such a douche at the same time. | ||
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freeto
United States122 Posts
also i hope sin gets to keep his club, he seems like a nice guy and id hate my using him as an example to cause it to be closed ![]() thanks for discussing this jibba and chill, if you think this gets to be too much please just tell us and im sure we'll all drop it(that means you stream | ||
elPadrino
Mexico3 Posts
I used to watch other streams but they are not as fun sure some may have some highlevel play, play on a top team, won such and such touney etc etc doesn´t mean that this is what we should come to expect. Just because Justin Beiber makes a lot of money, is on the cover of every magazine, has a #1 hit it´s doesn´t mean I have to like his shitty gay ass music. Personally I demand more interms of entertainment....it´s like having sex with a condom then having sex without one on............it´s just not the same, no other stream has made it even close to the level of entertainment steven provides on a daily basis and there are about 1k people that will agree with me and probably couple mods that are going to disagree. I´ll still be watching Steven Bonnell II in the unfeatured section till you guys decide to share him with others and please a great number of the COMMUNITY members. Everyone in this community deserves to be respected. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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If this video doesn't make you laugh, I don't know what will. I probably watched it like 30 times already. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
On January 11 2011 13:40 hallihg wrote: Sums it up for me and really the whole reason I spent time and energy on making those threads and posting here. And if zatic hasnt heard of the stream or the streamer, he needs to take a break from whatever the fuck he does this whole time here on TL and expand the non-featured link to look around. Its right here zatic, on the right. You are completely out of line. Both of you actually. You and Steven can decide I closed that thread because I hate him for whatever reason if you want to. Simple fact is I had no idea who he is, and I am tired of repeating that. For the record I was about to post his fanclub can be reopened but wanted other staff's input first. That was when I learned about the drama and him being banned just two weeks ago. | ||
haileris
22 Posts
Quite frankly, you're seeing a lot of pushback from the community, and you should seriously consider what that means. You're conflating moderation with editing. Many communities have failed due to a confusion between the two. Currently, the leading moderators/curators on websites are throwing around this link as an explanation of their own success. The reason it's being featured on a lot of topline blogs is because it distills an essential fact, that moderators are more curators of communities than authors of content. This distinction is an important one to make, as they act on behalf of their community. Fundamentally, when the community has a large consensus and the moderators decide to disagree, it destroys community goodwill, which has substantial impact on the viability the community in the future. (SEE: digg or the whole Xeni/Violet Blue boingboing controversy) Here's what I would do instead: 1. Let him have his fanpage. Saying that you were "about to post his fanclub can be reopened", but have changed your mind because someone compaliend and justified their rationale (no matter how vulgar) makes you the juvenile one. Having a fanpage doesn't impact teamliquid at all. 2. Give clear reasons of why Steven shouldn't be featured. If anyone currently featured doesn't meet the aformentioned criteria, they should be removed or their inclusion justified. Teamliquid aren't required to do this, as it's their own website and they can do as they please, but they ARE socially obligated to do so. 3. Solving this is really easy. Contact Steve and take this crap offline. Work something out and tell everyone what has been reached by consensus. Stroke Steve's ego and tell him to email you direct if he has anything else come up, it doesn't hurt you in the least and eliminates any future powder kegs. I definitely wouldn't be posting in here with passive aggressive statements about how I changed my mind. If I owned an equity stake in teamliquid, i would be seriously concerned, as this may create a serious wedge in the community and destroy enough goodwill where a substantial portion of the community has an antagonistic stance with the moderation and owners. | ||
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zatic
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On January 11 2011 18:02 haileris wrote: zatic: You've compelled me to finally register to comment on this. Quite frankly, you're seeing a lot of pushback from the community, and you should seriously consider what that means. You're conflating moderation with editing. Many communities have failed due to a confusion between the two. Welcome to TL! TL's exceptional success has always been due to the conflation of moderation and editing. I don't know how long you have been following TL but that should have become transparent rather quickly. It's what makes this place unique and what it is appreciated for (and of course hated for as well, but you can't have one without the other). To your other point: I asked for, appreciated, and valued the input of other staff members. How this is "juvenile" is beyond me. And I posted that "passive aggressive" statement because for some reason people still seem to believe I hate Steven and closed his thread because of that. | ||
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zatic
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On January 11 2011 18:09 Dave[9] wrote: The thing is, I don't see how you can be a moderator of the streams and not notice this kid getting a consistent <500 viewers everytime he's online. There seems to be a misunderstanding: I am not a moderator of the streams. I have had no influence on his stream being featured or not. | ||
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haileris
22 Posts
On January 11 2011 18:50 zatic wrote: TL's exceptional success has always been due to the conflation of moderation and editing[...]It's what makes this place unique and what it is appreciated for (and of course hated for as well, but you can't have one without the other). Without getting too ivory tower-ish, let's just agree to disagree. I do see your perspective, however, I do still think you're confusing the two. Personally favoring certain perspectives/ideas/etc over another is editing, and I don't think that's beneficial towards any online community. Having a unique voice and perspective on your own content is one thing, but lacking impartiality and taking down community functions when the community largely disagrees has a substantial history of being an all-around bad idea. It's not a controversial thing to say that unpopular censorship is not the role of the moderator. You're being juvenile because you're creating the impression that you're trying to win the discussion rather than to calm everyone down as a moderator. Nothing is cleared up in your followup responses and you're being openly hostile. You're getting a lot of open attacks towards your character because you're not operating in good faith and attacks are the most obvious way the community can express disagreement when a moderator doesn't act in good faith even after people in the community provide relevant points of view. Do I like Steven? Not really, I think he's a homophobic ass (although he has an incredibly compelling voice and is enjoyable to watch), and he's probably too caustic to be featured or have a fanpage without a warning on the page. However, if his personality was the reason why he isn't supported by the moderators (which I suspect is the case), then it needs to be clear that is the reason, with an understanding that he may become a valued member of the community if he tones it down. Instead, we see unreasonable justifications that apparently do not apply to the other featured streams and fanpages. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 11 2011 19:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Zatic, I am sorry but are you purposely not realizing what they are referring to? Dave[9] is talking about you stream moderating and not realizing who destiny is which led to you closing the fanclub thread with the unnecessary "Who?" comment. Which begs the question of why you are moderating stream related things (fanclubs) if you do not know anything about the streams/streamers? Because as I said earlier, the entire fan club thing is in flux to begin with. It started as something just for GSL players (and baller) and now it's grown into something for every type of marginal person. It's not as if it's some planned or established community system. And to be fair, even with Destiny doing well in a couple of UGs, he's still been in very few competitions. haileris, I've brought up demeanor and Destiny's raging several times now. It's just like Debo. Also, I think you're missing the scope of what's going on. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
On January 11 2011 19:49 haileris wrote: You're being juvenile because you're creating the impression that you're trying to win the discussion rather than to calm everyone down as a moderator. Nothing is cleared up in your followup responses and you're being openly hostile. You're getting a lot of open attacks towards your character because you're not operating in good faith and attacks are the most obvious way the community can express disagreement when a moderator doesn't act in good faith even after people in the community provide relevant points of view. Well since beyond the initial question, which I answered, the "discussion" is people attacking me personally I don't see what I can do to clear up anything. I have stated over and over again why I closed his thread. Why his stream is not featured has been said already too. Instead of accepting what I said about the matter he and his fans started speculating about other motives I and other staff members are supposed to have, going as far as to suspect a regular campaign against him. While I am happy to reply to any questions I am getting tired of repeating myself. Let me say this regarding fanclubs: We have been discussing what to do with fanclubs in general for weeks now. I'd prefer to postpone this discussion until there is a decision how fanclubs on TL will work in the future. | ||
haileris
22 Posts
On January 11 2011 21:16 Jibba wrote: haileris, I've brought up demeanor and Destiny's raging several times now. It's just like Debo. Also, I think you're missing the scope of what's going on. Fair enough, I just suspect that the moderators are underestimating the support that Destiny has as well. I'm done with this thread, both sides have shown to have their heels dug in (but especially some moderators) and no one is open for the potential for their minds to be changed. :-) | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again. Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid ![]() | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=183469 I think i he hasnt won any major competitions, but im not sure though. But hurry up, this fanclub might become too big for the site to handle. Its already up to two pages. User was warned for this post | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote: Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. I think this is the best solution to the issue. I'm glad it's being discussed! | ||
UberThing
Great Britain410 Posts
On January 12 2011 02:53 Impervious wrote: I think this is the best solution to the issue. I'm glad it's being discussed! My 2 cents. Maybe have a subsection for fanclubs? | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On January 12 2011 05:25 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Alright that sounds good Chill. Where would the new policy be posted? My suggestion would be to ban fan clubs and just have people use the appropriate stream threads to avoid cluttering the TL Community section. That way you don't have to draw arbitrary distinctions on who can and can't have a fanclub. Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly? Can't he just make his own stream thread? | ||
GxZ
United States375 Posts
On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote: Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. When moderators close a thread, people need to stop looking at it as a slight against the topic. This happened with BigT and now it's happening again. Secondly, people need to stop bringing up "the community" as some sort of justification for doing whatever you want. Unfortunately, democracy doesn't rule here, or else the site would be Team Dayquid ![]() Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch. It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down. If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On January 12 2011 06:15 GxZ wrote: Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch. It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down. If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page. TL doesn't operate on forum popularity for good reason. If we took your suggestion and let the forum self-regulate via popularity, what do you think would rise to the top, dramatic threads and arguing, or well-constructed arguments? There needs to be rules about opening threads so that some sort of ratio between number of threads opened and content in said threads is maintained. You are basically suggesting a society with no laws - just let it self-regulate. That doesn't seem like a good idea. | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
On January 12 2011 06:15 GxZ wrote: Why do there have to be rules about a fanclub page? I thought they were just so fans could show their appreciation to a person they like to watch. It is not really that big on an issue, if you think they aren't popular they might not be, and the forum will have 10 posts or so and then become inactive. If someone keeps trying to spam it then I can see why you would close it down. If someone wants to give Destiny and his fans a fan page just let them, and if they spam the forum with nonsense just close it and don't give them another fan page. I think you're missing the bigger picture..... I, personally, don't want to see TL become a shit-infested forum, which is pretty much what it would become without "scrict" moderation. [sarcasm]Hey, I mean, I'm sure there's a few people that like salted sunflower seeds. Let's make a fan-page for it![/sarcasm] The "strict" rules need to be laid out, so there is not as much room for abuse. Yet, at the same time, there needs to be some freedom and flexibility. Chill said that they're discussing it. Before getting your panties in a twist, wait and see what they come up with first. | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 12 2011 05:46 beetlelisk wrote: Stream threads already have their own section. Why do you need fan club thread so badly? Can't he just make his own stream thread? The point I was trying to make is I don't think fanclub threads are necessary and I don't think we should have them since a stream thread is basically the same thing. But if we are going to have them you can't make arbitrary distinctions between who can and can't have a fanclub thread. For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough. But on that note, why does Baller, Miniwheat, or SiNs have a fanclub? I assume that is why they are laying out new rules. I just didn't think it was fair that the destiny fanclub was treated differently then so many others. | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 12 2011 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough. That wasn't the reason at all. Part of the thought is that a collection of information can be kept about a person at the start of the fanclub whereas stream threads are created by the player and often not updated, part of it is not everyone plays or streams and part of it is just that we didn't know what to do with fan clubs, because it wasn't an issue when it was just for Tastosis, TLO, etc. | ||
beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On January 12 2011 07:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: The point I was trying to make is I don't think fanclub threads are necessary and I don't think we should have them since a stream thread is basically the same thing. But if we are going to have them you can't make arbitrary distinctions between who can and can't have a fanclub thread. For example the initial reason for closing Destiny's fanclub thread was because he wasn't skilled enough. But on that note, why does Baller, Miniwheat, or SiNs have a fanclub? I assume that is why they are laying out new rules. I just didn't think it was fair that the destiny fanclub was treated differently then so many others. It's not basically the same thing. Majority of fan clubs are about pros, Cella is one of few if not the only one who is a streamer. But he still is featured, can stream for entire days and I'm not sure if he qualified for one of the 3 GSL opens on top of that. Baller made himself known through his posting. miniWheat is a kid of a famous caster who's in esports for years now. I'd say there is more to his fan club than worshipping a single person, he can be seen as a symbol. And first of all he's just a kid who will get overwhelmed with joy once his fathers tells him he has his own fan club. No idea who SiNs is but anyway, those people (were) made themselves known in ways other than just streaming. If all (or vast majority of) what Destiny is known for is his stream then what's wrong with a stream thread instead of a fan club? Other than maybe not knowing there is such a section like User streams so TL community is just more simple to access? It all comes down to having a thread about him somewhere. | ||
freeto
United States122 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
On January 11 2011 18:55 zatic wrote: There seems to be a misunderstanding: I am not a moderator of the streams. I have had no influence on his stream being featured or not. My bad, I was mistaken. | ||
beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On January 12 2011 09:33 freeto wrote: what would the policy be for people without a stream then? for example fruitdealer. i dont think he has a stream, but theres probably a good amount of people who would support his fanclub. because of this i dont think just using a stream page as a fanclub would really work id support the subforum idea He has his fan club thread since September 28th?? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156570 | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On January 13 2011 12:31 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Beetleisk, you missed the point he was making. Freeto was presenting a reason that stream threads can't always substitute fanclub threads. I think he just doesn't know there already is a thread for FD and other threads for players like him. So he got confused after reading last posts. Stream threads can't always substitute fan club threads, yes. Is Destiny though, doing anything big enough other than streaming? Really no offense to him, I don't mean to diminish him. I just don't get it personally. Maybe it's because there is so much talk over it for so long and since the only official responses were "No" and "No, because" you guys misunderstood those responses for something they aren't? | ||
Terra_Sentiment
United States3 Posts
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On January 16 2011 10:49 Terra_Sentiment wrote: Why was my thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=184874 closed? I didn't close it but "pick my race for me" topics don't add anything to the forum and we've seen hundreds of them over the years. Probably because it was terrible. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On January 11 2011 06:01 Hot_Bid wrote: We don't allow a fan club thread for a streamer who has urged his viewers to spam our forums. I think that is pretty fair. I said this several pages back yet Destiny's fans keep saying we have some vast conspiracy against him. The only reason he's not featured and doesn't have a fan club (he was featured before, iirc) was the result of his own and his fans actions. Again, I do not see what is so unfair about not featuring a stream that encourages many people to spam and harass other users on our website. How can anyone disagree with that? | ||
TheBrofessor
Canada429 Posts
On January 17 2011 03:46 Hot_Bid wrote: I said this several pages back yet Destiny's fans keep saying we have some vast conspiracy against him. The only reason he's not featured and doesn't have a fan club (he was featured before, iirc) was the result of his own and his fans actions. Again, I do not see what is so unfair about not featuring a stream that encourages many people to spam and harass other users on our website. How can anyone disagree with that? Destiny was getting vast amounts of viewers before that incident, and had been streaming since the release of the beta, so i find it a bit hard to believe that something that happened so recently is the sole reason why he isn't featured. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:07 TheBrofessor wrote: Destiny was getting vast amounts of viewers before that incident, and had been streaming since the release of the beta, so i find it a bit hard to believe that something that happened so recently is the sole reason why he isn't featured. You find it hard to believe that when someone does something that is a usual permanent ban that they would not be featured? It's not like, oh he just encouraged hundreds of people to spam and harass and trash our forums, no big deal. I don't think you understand how seriously we take something like this. The whole incident is still fairly recent, and he was very close to being featured before it happened. The only reason he wasn't left banned completely was because he apologized. He's unbanned now but that doesn't mean we have to feature him with a fan club thread. | ||
TheBrofessor
Canada429 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:49 Hot_Bid wrote: You find it hard to believe that when someone does something that is a usual permanent ban that they would not be featured? It's not like, oh he just encouraged hundreds of people to spam and harass and trash our forums, no big deal. I don't think you understand how seriously we take something like this. The whole incident is still fairly recent, and he was featured before it happened. The only reason he wasn't left banned completely was because he apologized. He's unbanned now but that doesn't mean we have to feature him with a fan club thread. You misread my post. I wasn't saying i find it hard to believe you're not featuring him because of the spamming ordeal, but don't act as if it's the only reason. As i already stated, he has been streaming and pulling a large amount of viewers (more than most featured streamers at peak times) since the game was in beta. It doesn't really matter to me, or anyone else who watches the stream whether or not theres a fan page or the stream is featured, but if you just don't like him for whatever reason, please just come out and say it. The reasons have went from "He's unknown." (Clearly false) to the incident with Syndicate. Which is, once again, too recent of an event to be the only reason. | ||
freeto
United States122 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:49 Hot_Bid wrote: The whole incident is still fairly recent, and he was featured before it happened. are you sure about that? i cant ever recall a time when his stream was featured. | ||
RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:49 Hot_Bid wrote: You find it hard to believe that when someone does something that is a usual permanent ban that they would not be featured? It's not like, oh he just encouraged hundreds of people to spam and harass and trash our forums, no big deal. I don't think you understand how seriously we take something like this. The whole incident is still fairly recent, and he was featured before it happened. The only reason he wasn't left banned completely was because he apologized. He's unbanned now but that doesn't mean we have to feature him with a fan club thread. You should use your magic mod powers and find out he was never featured, even though his content destroys every featured stream for learning/stream quality/entertainment. On top of that you are once again correlating a fanclub and being featured which are extremely different. Thanks for PMing me for no reason a week later too with some half assed troll comment. It was entirely necessary and not juvenile. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 17 2011 11:30 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I strongly disagree.even though his content destroys every featured stream for learning/stream quality/entertainment. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36372 Posts
On January 17 2011 11:02 freeto wrote: are you sure about that? i cant ever recall a time when his stream was featured. Sorry, my mistake on that. We were discussing featuring him in the staff forum and we were very close to doing it when the spam happened, which was why I thought he was featured already. Anyway, I'll take Manifesto's advice and stop talking about this topic anymore, it's too frustrating. | ||
alexpnd
Canada1857 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
On January 12 2011 01:07 Chill wrote: Okay... It's actually being discussed in the staff forum. You should have clearer rules about fan clubs in a week. ) Hello good sirs and admins. I was wondering if the staff had already discussed the fanclubs and when we can see the new fan clubs rules, because I like the new miniWheat fanclub and other clubs, and I am also very interested to reopen the Steve Bonnell II / Destiny fanclub, that already had a few members for the five minutes it was open. Thank you, in advance. - hallihg | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
On January 25 2011 01:34 Chill wrote: Still being discussed. Last I saw, there was going to be a User Stream & Fan Club forum made that would be accessible under General. In that section, anyone could make a fan club thread for anyone if it met a certain level of quality. But we haven't reached a final decision. Sorry about the slow pace. Hello Chill. Thank your the quick answer sir, i was just interested when the new standards and rules will be posted, because current standards are pretty unknown, for example a miniwheat fanclub, which i like alot, is open and kicking despite him not even knowing SC2 (yet) but a fanclub i created for a very popular player was closed instantly. But thanks for an informative and a quick answer, I hope we can see those rules soon. - hallihg | ||
Usurper
Macedonia283 Posts
On January 17 2011 04:49 Hot_Bid wrote: You find it hard to believe that when someone does something that is a usual permanent ban that they would not be featured? It's not like, oh he just encouraged hundreds of people to spam and harass and trash our forums, no big deal. I don't think you understand how seriously we take something like this. The whole incident is still fairly recent, and he was featured before it happened. The only reason he wasn't left banned completely was because he apologized. He's unbanned now but that doesn't mean we have to feature him with a fan club thread. I just want to add that i am not happy that Teamliquid didn't point me to this great stream... i found some of Destiny excerpt videos @ reddit/r/starcraft and often wondered why i always miss the guy @ TL, because TL is the nr.1 for quality StarCraft material. Just now i found his stream and bookmarked it. The guy is passionate, temperate and funny. You sound so offended that he told his fans to spam TL (surely in boasting/humorous/taunting way that only idiots would take for granted), yet Day9 jokes about players going ape shit on strategical theorycrafting (namely, the +1 Air Attack Weapon viable thingy), yet i see no reprecussion against him (and don't get me wrong, he doesn't deserve any, but nor does Destiny). In short, feature the goddamn stream and stop acting "offended". On offended: User was temp banned for this post. | ||
tiaxone
United States3 Posts
I just want to add that i am not happy that Teamliquid didn't point me to this great stream... i found some of Destiny excerpt videos @ reddit/r/starcraft and often wondered why i always miss the guy @ TL, because TL is the nr.1 for quality StarCraft material. Just now i found his stream and bookmarked it. The guy is passionate, temperate and funny. You sound so offended that he told his fans to spam TL (surely in boasting/humorous/taunting way that only idiots would take for granted), yet Day9 jokes about players going ape shit on strategical theorycrafting (namely, the +1 Air Attack Weapon viable thingy), yet i see no reprecussion against him (and don't get me wrong, he doesn't deserve any, but nor does Destiny). In short, feature the goddamn stream and stop acting "offended". Running the risk of being banned for this, but I agree. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
Chill just gave an update about the fanclubs. Be patient..... | ||
Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
Yea, sorry Zelniq, but I don't think that's a great idea. Have some faith in the ability of viewers to come to a decision themselves on whether or not the video is full of shit or not. Hell, they can even jump on the bandwagon of guys like you saying it's bullshit! I'm sure they'd read some of the replies. | ||
Ethic
Canada439 Posts
On January 25 2011 19:08 Cedstick wrote: I know there's a debate up about whether or not Athene is trolling, and some people don't like his "pseudoscience," or so it's accused, but locking both threads about the "Theory of Everything" video is kind of lame. The first one was locked by Plexa, for what I can see is a legitimate reason: "there's a thread about this." The second one was locked because Zelniq apparently doesn't like Athene. Yea, sorry Zelniq, but I don't think that's a great idea. Have some faith in the ability of viewers to come to a decision themselves on whether or not the video is full of shit or not. Hell, they can even jump on the bandwagon of guys like you saying it's bullshit! I'm sure they'd read some of the replies. I supports this statement and I would like to add my own feedback... Personally, yes, Athene plays WoW, and yes he plays Poker, and he did make many many videos with crazy antics of him and "Furious" doing crazy shit. Does this give him any less of a right to express his research on a subject? And does the opposition of one warrant the closing of a thread for an unjust reason? I do not think so... iNcontroL and Plexa both closed previous TOE threads for warrantable rasons, but Zelniq closed a third thread, that had a reasonable ammount of content in it from the OP, for a reason I deem extremely ignorant. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
As a forumer I agree with the above posters: it's a documentary that's gotten a lot of buzz, and I trust the TLers to figure it out that it's bullshit; zelniq should not have closed the main thread. Also i find it inconsistent that bullshit misleading pseudoscientific sensationalist thread titles like "we will get a second sun" "scientists discover life on another galaxy" were unchanged / left open, while the thread on athene's documentary, which actually has more than just a semblance of evidence (though I'd call the TOE claim sensationalist bullshit) was closed. aforementioned threads: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=186432 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115822 God, revisiting the 'life on another galaxy' thread is already tilting me, especially since so many people only read the title/OP of threads. one guy summed it up best: "Spectroscopy is nice but just finding organic molecules is not life; they are a prerequisite but there are many others. It's like digging up some iron ore and saying HEY GUYS I FOUND A CAR." edit: to clarify, I only wish that such threads have their titles changed, cuz they actually led to some interesting discussion. Still though, if that's not an option (though I can't see why it wouldn't be), closing would be preferable to leaving untouched. /antisensationalismzealot | ||
ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On January 25 2011 01:34 Chill wrote: Still being discussed. Last I saw, there was going to be a User Stream & Fan Club forum made that would be accessible under General. In that section, anyone could make a fan club thread for anyone if it met a certain level of quality. But we haven't reached a final decision. Sorry about the slow pace. How long do you think it will take when you have made a final decision? greetings ExoFun | ||
avidday04
United States63 Posts
I guess what I'm really asking is, was my thread really not up to teamliquid standards? I put a lot of effort into making it as rational and well thought out as possible and I thought as long as it fit those criteria it was worthy of posting. If it really wasn't up to par then I'm legitimately confused as to what is and what isn't. ![]() Please don't misunderstand, I ♥ teamliquid! Thank you guys for your hard work and the effort you put in ^_^ | ||
kazansky
Germany931 Posts
I don't want to sound mean, but I already considered the 4Gate Challenge a stupid idea that leads to nothing, but this puts the cherry on the cake in my eyes. Maybe I am too elitist, but I honestly don't understand why such threads are allowed to live. | ||
MobiusOne
United States106 Posts
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
You create a TvP build purely from the theory that there are analogies between Terran and Zerg. I realize you probably want to talk about the general concept more than about that particular build, that doesn't change the fact that is theory crafting and has no place here. | ||
MobiusOne
United States106 Posts
Got to agree I have no idea what you are trying to say. You take a ZvP build and create a *somewhat* "analogous" TvP build from that which will die to any of the common one base aggression build Protoss do. My impression is you think too much about this game. Sit down and play some instead. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On January 27 2011 22:34 MobiusOne wrote: I would at least like another moderator to just take a look at it and decide if he thinks it's theory crafting rather than a concept for looking at build orders. That's all I want. I've looked at it and agree with the action. The races aren't played the same way, so trying to borrow builds from race to race makes little sense. That, plus you have no proof of concept means the thread has little value. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On January 26 2011 20:00 kazansky wrote: I am curious about why the 100 2Rax Challenge (rightfully) was closed, while the 100 6Pool Challenge remains open? I don't want to sound mean, but I already considered the 4Gate Challenge a stupid idea that leads to nothing, but this puts the cherry on the cake in my eyes. Maybe I am too elitist, but I honestly don't understand why such threads are allowed to live. Hmm I'm not sure. The 6-pool challenge is really dumb since you don't need to practice it; however, it would be interesting to see how far you can get with only 6 pools. I can't justify closing it so I'll leave it to another moderator to look at. | ||
MobiusOne
United States106 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
On January 25 2011 01:34 Chill wrote: Still being discussed. Last I saw, there was going to be a User Stream & Fan Club forum made that would be accessible under General. In that section, anyone could make a fan club thread for anyone if it met a certain level of quality. But we haven't reached a final decision. Sorry about the slow pace. Hello good sirs and admins. I was wondering if the staff had already discussed the fanclubs and when we can see the new fan club rules, because there are some clubs that remain open while others (like mine) have been closed because a player wasnt "known enough", for example clubs for players with over 1k viewers. I am very interested in reopening the Steve Bonnell II / Destiny fanclub, that already had many members for the five minutes it was open. Thank you, in advance. - hallihg | ||
Impervious
Canada4183 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
Another whole week has gone by and the admins are still discussing it, I dont think I am being impatient but if I am I apologize. best regards, hallihg | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
Also please stop using this thread for fanclub issues. If you want to discuss them open a new thread. | ||
NearPerfection
232 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189844 None of your arguments is actually an argument. Why do people feel the need to use overly simplistic models to reach conclusions about the complex gameplay? If anything it displays that their game understanding is too limited to reach any valid conclusion. Closing this. Yes the game is complex and i certainly was simplifying many things because i don't know exact hard numbers as far as all these complex situations go and was stating that throughout the thread as well as keeping variables open like 5-6 and 4-5 instead of an assumed number that isn't always the case IE Mules take only 8 trips on far patches and 9 trips on close patches so is mule income 234 or is it 270? I fully admit this variable. My intent was not 'lets cherry pick oversimplified information to prove a point and appear objective while being biased to only 1 acceptable conclusion the whole time' I was hoping progamer level players would become interested in all these variables and share some very useful information IE, in what situations are gateway units cost effective against bio. map depending, what unit composition in X situation is best. One progamer did pm what he was going to post but could not because the thread had already been closed. I agree my title was too similar to X is imbalanced heres proof, but in my opinion i feel like it could have actually been a really constructive thread that did not warrant closing. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
Don't believe that a "progamer PMd you" unless you are exaggerating the definition of progamer. | ||
NearPerfection
232 Posts
On February 03 2011 05:48 Chill wrote: Agree with the moderator's action there. Don't believe that a "progamer PMd you" unless you are exaggerating the definition of progamer. Probably semi-pro as most are but maybe you should look at the short list of names replying and see if by chance someone known had posted. that would increase probability of my statement that said user pm after close. Edit: what i specifically want to ask is if my thread was closed because my OP had too many flaws or because the posting quality of subsequent comments on my post were mostly to put it nicely trash. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
That's not a good basis for a thread. | ||
boblovelaw
United States7 Posts
Someone mind telling me why that was closed. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On February 03 2011 19:40 boblovelaw wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189708 ? Someone mind telling me why that was closed. obviously viable if people are doing it. too simple of a question | ||
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9487 Posts
On February 03 2011 19:40 boblovelaw wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189708 ? Someone mind telling me why that was closed. I think it was because of your name. You don't butcher the best name ever. | ||
Copenap
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Not my thread but I posted in it, and now I can't view it because it's in "gallery". What does that mean? | ||
CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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iPDubsteP
United States188 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192460 | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On February 12 2011 17:57 DubsteP wrote: cant talk about portraits in the general discussion forum ? portraits aren't a general topic ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192460 It is, but your topic is about nothing. Here's your question: "Does the Nova portrait suck" And the replies you get will range from "yes" "no" "I don't play that race so I don't give a shit". The discussion won't transition very far or you just didn't construct a very good discussion topic. It' just opinion based with no reasoning. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
This is a general inquiry and not leaned or bias towards one side or another (I just read about it now, it felt like a silly topic, but it drew on points about whether he was being arrogant/cocky or simply confident knowing his previous history and determination/dedicated time to a game) Thanks! | ||
Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On February 13 2011 09:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Hey, this isn't my thread, but I was confused as to why this topic got closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192611¤tpage=3 This is a general inquiry and not leaned or bias towards one side or another (I just read about it now, it felt like a silly topic, but it drew on points about whether he was being arrogant/cocky or simply confident knowing his previous history and determination/dedicated time to a game) Thanks! I dont think people realize that Chiren (Athene) is an actor/gamer with a strong following. He isn't actually super BM. I dont think Plexa's reason made sense though since the instant 3 pages of replies are obviously expressing interest. | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On February 13 2011 10:32 FinestHour wrote: Does Plexa play world of warcraft? Him closing one of the trillion Athene threads ? Thats because of some other obvious reason I hope you can figure out by yourself | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Backpack
United States1776 Posts
On February 13 2011 10:35 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Him closing one of the trillion Athene threads ? Thats because of some other obvious reason I hope you can figure out by yourself Does Athene have any past history with TL? I can't think of any negative relationship they could have. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Geez, why is there such an influx of posts about him. I'm so intrigued yet... annoyed that people keep sprouting topics about him. | ||
Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
holy shit I don't know much about poker but this... I definitely see why people praise his discipline | ||
Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On February 13 2011 09:57 Torte de Lini wrote: Hey, this isn't my thread, but I was confused as to why this topic got closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192611¤tpage=3 This is a general inquiry and not leaned or bias towards one side or another (I just read about it now, it felt like a silly topic, but it drew on points about whether he was being arrogant/cocky or simply confident knowing his previous history and determination/dedicated time to a game) Thanks! Check the hotkeys, apm, spamming pattern, chrono usage, everything. It's Kiwikaki, not Anthene. | ||
Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
On February 13 2011 15:53 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Check the hotkeys, apm, spamming pattern, chrono usage, everything. It's Kiwikaki, not Anthene. That's not even the point. Athene is a show, this person is an actor. I have heard there are people on the internet who find him funny, so let him do his thing. Teamliquid however is a Starcraft Progaming Site and this person has got nothing to do with progaming, so I will leave you with the words of Kennigit: Remake this when he does something notable in SC2 Edit: I want to add that generally nothing speaks against a thread about this troll as long as you 1. dont connect it to progaming and take it as it is : a joke and 2. do actually have something to discuss about other than flaming or fanboyism | ||
vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On February 13 2011 23:42 Kleinmuuhg wrote: That's not even the point. Athene is a show, this person is an actor. I have heard there are people on the internet who find him funny, so let him do his thing. Teamliquid however is a Starcraft Progaming Site and this person has got nothing to do with progaming, so I will leave you with the words of Kennigit: Edit: I want to add that generally nothing speaks against a thread about this troll as long as you 1. dont connect it to progaming and take it as it is : a joke and 2. do actually have something to discuss about other than flaming or fanboyism How are threads about a funny (subjective) guy doing his thing and a Husky doing his SCV love song different? Or hell, Brother Marck for that matter? They are hardly about progaming. If anything the threads showed that there were people who cared, be it for his humour or because they thought he was playing. | ||
Zeed
United States10 Posts
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hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
I was wondering if the staff had already discussed the fanclubs and when we can see the new fan clubs rules, because i am very interested in reopening the Steve Bonnell II / Destiny fanclub, that already had a few members for the five minutes it was open and was closed because he was unknown / not respected enough according to good admin zatic. Thank you, in advance. - hallihg | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
accidental double post. | ||
Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
"[G]Fix Kelly Voice" Could I get elaboration on why the thread was inappropriate? Thanks :3 | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18993 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
Look at the OP. Notice the quote at the top. Now look at the admin's post at the end. I see a problem here. Seems the OP (me) had already responded to the quote that the admin seems to imply "answers" the thread and warrants a close. Tad bit ridiculous. | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
On February 22 2011 13:05 Manifesto7 wrote: No. What is ridiculous is the shit that is between the OP and the moderator post. Some of it, but that goes for any thread. Some pretty legitimately thoughtful posts were going back and forth on different models for tournament player invites. | ||
Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
On February 22 2011 04:33 Kleinmuuhg wrote: Its just blatant disrespectful. Even if you say it's not , it still is. I think it far more likely that it was closed because it had devolved into an argument over whether it was disrespectful or not. | ||
elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On February 22 2011 13:27 Buddhist wrote: Some of it, but that goes for any thread. Some pretty legitimately thoughtful posts were going back and forth on different models for tournament player invites. It most definitely does NOT go for any thread. And if you see stuff like that, report it. | ||
hallihg
Iceland61 Posts
Can the admins please reopen the thread i created? Thank you in advance, best regards hallihg | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On March 03 2011 07:23 hallihg wrote: This is a request to reopen the Steve Bonnell II (now known as ROOT.Destiny) fanclub that was closed due to him not being well known / respected enough. Can the admins please reopen the thread i created? Thank you in advance, best regards hallihg Yea, sure. Not sure why it's still closed and not sure why we don't have a fan club section yet. Edit: Really sorry about the delay on our part. | ||
dkim
United States255 Posts
I thought while the OP's post was the usually one liner question that gets closed, two links that were posted were good enough to make the thread. the first piano thing was pretty cool, and now many people will miss out on it ![]() | ||
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Calgary25967 Posts
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Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201108 Its not exactly a whine post. Its a very well thought out thread which looks at a specific problem, mainly, Protoss right now. I would even say its up to the quality of what TL deserves..which 90% of the threads on this forum is not. And then its closed because "Balance thread". | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
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OsoVega
926 Posts
On March 15 2011 04:51 zatic wrote: I read through the thread, and while I agree the discussion is level and civil, it's pretty much entirely filled with people discussing balance changes. What is the point? We are not making the game, Blizzard is. Balance suggestions should go directly to Blizzard or the battle.net forums. The point is to have a fun and interesting discussion. Balance discussions don't have to end in actual changes for them to be interesting and enlightening. While balance discussions seem more appropriate for battle.net forums, unfortunately the discussions there suck. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
On March 16 2011 15:54 OsoVega wrote: The point is to have a fun and interesting discussion. Balance discussions don't have to end in actual changes for them to be interesting and enlightening. While balance discussions seem more appropriate for battle.net forums, unfortunately the discussions there suck. While I object to the idea of having senseless discussions "just for fun" (I mean why don't you discuss moving the earth a bit farther from the sun, just for fun?), I'll try to be a bit more lenient in the future if discussion turns out well mannered and intelligent. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Why was my topic closed!!! It was a very insightful discussion. | ||
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mikeymoo
Canada7170 Posts
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echO [W]
United States1495 Posts
On March 18 2011 14:13 Chairman Ray wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202318 Why was my topic closed!!! It was a very insightful discussion. I actually had a lot of laughs reading your thread. Perhaps it should be posted in IdrA's fan club thread. | ||
Jimmy Raynor
902 Posts
The thread is about fun lyrics related to starcraft while another thread which is about the absololutely same thing is allowed to stay open? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203110 | ||
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tofucake
Hyrule18993 Posts
I posted this some months ago in the blog section but it quickly got buried | ||
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49626 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=195354 nvm I read his last post. | ||
RoboBob
United States798 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202993 Kennigit Administrator March 22 2011 05:02. PM Profile Blog Quote # On March 22 2011 04:07 irishash wrote: you ever watch hockey? can you stop goals like hasek? you ever watch soccer? can you juke people like ronaldinho? you ever watch movies? can you direct one like spielberg? you ever watch golf? can you cheat on your wife like tiger? i dunno maybe people watch it cause its entertaining? possibly? this. end of thread. Honestly it looks like it was closed because of a single troll. Which kinda bummed me out, I wanted to post my perspective as a non-player spectator of SC2. There was a lot of good discussion going on in that thread. | ||
Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
The thread is title "NewGen's - A comprehensive look" in the SC2 General section http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204972 | ||
Gruv
United Kingdom379 Posts
On March 26 2011 05:02 Beef Noodles wrote: Why was my thread closed? It was a a joke/irony. All my comprehensive looks are ironic. I think whoever closed it took what I said at face value. Or they thought it inappropriate? The thread is title "NewGen's - A comprehensive look" in the SC2 General section http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=204972 No offence dude, but it was kinda tasteless. Also to cut straight to the reasoning, it was also shit. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
So I guess it was tasteless... | ||
Beef Noodles
United States937 Posts
maybe I'm alone | ||
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QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
Have something to say about this thread even tho it's not mine but it's related to WC:Team League so I'll spoiler it. + Show Spoiler + The OP has a valid point and like chat channels I think we as a community that want to grow eSports have to push and demand this feature. During Set 8 Day 2 of WC:Team League IMMVP DCed and they had to regame. A lot of older RTSes have had this basic feature and I think we shouldn't wait till some Tournemant Patch that we might get "soon". Imagine if this happened during a TSL or GSL finale. It's a simple feature and not something that should be overlooked in my opinion. Didn't want to create a new thread so I searched first and found this closed thread so I thought post up here and might get it opened again and in attention. | ||
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Canada19447 Posts
2) His post was not ground breaking, and didn't have a lot of direction. I asked him to blog it. | ||
elmizzt
United States3309 Posts
On March 30 2011 10:46 Kennigit wrote: 1) Next person to say Grow Esports gets a smack in the face. 90% of people who use this term don't actually do anything, another 5% who produce events only target the group that already exists. 2) His post was not ground breaking, and didn't have a lot of direction. I asked him to blog it. Oh god, please yes! It's really getting out of hand, and people don't seem to pay attention to the posts you made about it. ![]() | ||
QuixoticO
Netherlands810 Posts
But I guess you didn't agree with my arguments about how we "need" save games for disconnects so I'll throw in the towel. | ||
Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
On March 30 2011 23:07 QuixoticO wrote: Wanting to grow something != doing something to grow it. I want world peace but that doesn't mean I go out fighting crime ever day or giving out pamphlets. But I guess you didn't agree with my arguments about how we "need" save games for disconnects so I'll throw in the towel. I wanted something of mine to grow really bad, and I did something to grow it. Sometimes I would get popup ads about growing it, and one that said "How I got 10 inches in a month" looked really promising, so I tried it out. I paid them 60 bucks and they sent me this guide and this cream. After a month, not only did it not grow, it even shrunk an inch. Am I just that bad in raising household plants? This is why we need threads on TL about growth to help others, even if you don't want to grow anything yourself. | ||
JoeKim
United States608 Posts
My post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=207012 Rekrul's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/blogitems.php?site=rekrul&page=5 My inquiry: Where is the ruling that I cannot make that thread? TL members have been betting for years and years. Can you direct me to the vicinity of this prohibition? And also inform me on how Rekrul was permitted to operate the same way? My post was a replica of his fashion. Thanks Admins. | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
You joined Tuesday, 6th of October 2009 and the vast majority of new people are not sure who you are? It is just a guess though I am probably wrong. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38797 Posts
Here is the link to the thread. This thread got closed because there would be many already existing threads about it. I have searched and didn't come up with any. I found 1 thread related to what I asked and it is from November last year. Could the thread be opened again? Unless I am mistaken there really isn't another thread about this. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
That's the extent of my understanding. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=206962 Anecdotal too http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187314 Much better, it delves into the idea of GGing and its conoctions or perceptions according to the community more so than the implicit nature of your topic, which is: "not many people are GGing, is the game getting more rude or is it not a formality anymore". http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=gg | ||
jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
I understand it is a controversial subject, that is part of what makes for good discussions imo. However, the reason the mod closed the thread was that it "had nothing to do with [...] anything concerning reality." This despite the fact that I repeatedly included numbers from and stated my reputable sources such as the government's own accounting offices. The suggestion that the topic of economic illiquidity has "nothing concerning reality" cannot come across to me as anything but willful naivete. What can I possibly do to base my statements on fact except cite the government's own numbers, statistics, and statements? Is the possibility of economic depression really beyond the realm of possibility? Didn't it already occur less than a century ago? EDIT: My sources as provided in the OP include: The federal reserve's statistical release the treasury departments website the bureau of economic analysis of the us department of commerce the international monetary funds july 2010 selected issues paper These things do not concern reality? | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
I think the reason your topic was closed was not because the staff member didn't believe it could happen, but rather that it could happen, much like many other factors that could contribute to an economic downfall. Here's what I enjoyed the most of your topic: As I know how easily subjects such as these can be treated with sensationalism and paranoia 1) To recognize the signs and symptoms of economic instability and to convert your fiat currency to tangible goods while it still has value 2) Supplies and education regarding first aid, survival techniques, emergency preparedness, etc. These are of course good things to have regardless of your beliefs on economics. 3) A weapon and the competence to defend yourself. All the preparation in the world can go out the window when you have a gun pointed at you. You may believe that we will peacefully weather the coming storm just as we did the previous Great Depression. I, however, have difficulty accepting the idea that the modern generation will be content to work for pennies and stand in soup lines. The two quotes show the irony of the whole topic. You had some great factual information and then you soiled it with an introductory statement and enumerated contradiction. You have an interesting start but your whole topic is a connect the dots idea: 1. Economy is failing, look at our lack of money ---------> 2. World is gonna end, paper will be paper, buy can goods and go into a bunker. There's no question of naivete, but I would probably stack this topic along with the enjoyment of listening to Cold War debates and news. What Ifs will be what ifs and to quote the staff member; "Feel free to PM me "I told you so" when America collapses and TL's servers are stolen and/or destroyed." When it happens, start a topic. Otherwise, I think the TL wants the "what ifs" to something a bit more... realistic? No. perhaps just not as general or broad of a topic. this is my opinion | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
You're also misinformed and are freely interchanging bankruptcy and defaulting, which are not at all the same. The irony of it is that your new thread has attracted the exact type of crazies we seek to avoid while your first thread, albeit on the fear-mongering crazy side of things, at least tried to downplay the gold/silver/anti-fiat crazies. Given this is the internet, about 80% of its inhabitants awkwardly believe gold has some inherent value, it's almost easier to just shut them all down rather than trying to reason with them. | ||
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Harem
United States11390 Posts
On April 10 2011 14:07 Kiante wrote: Just idly curious as to why http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211000 got closed but http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=210640 didn't. not looking to get it reopened because i've almost finished the series, just curiious. I wasn't one who closed it but I'd assume that it was due to not just bumping your previous blog. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On April 10 2011 14:07 Kiante wrote: Just idly curious as to why http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=211000 got closed but http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=210640 didn't. not looking to get it reopened because i've almost finished the series, just curiious. I closed it. "I'm streaming ________" threads aren't allowed. Use twitter or IRC or whatever other avenue you want to get the word out. Otherwise, the Blog section because the "I'm streaming ______" section. | ||
Craton
United States17235 Posts
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That's my point of view anyways. | ||
Craton
United States17235 Posts
On April 15 2011 07:40 tofucake wrote: A post that old already been reported with no action probably means the mods decided it was fine and required no action. I'm aware that it was reported, which is why I came to ask for their rationale. | ||
Awesomo
Netherlands206 Posts
On April 15 2011 08:46 Craton wrote: I'm aware that it was reported, which is why I came to ask for their rationale. fakesteve actually explains this on page 2 of that thread: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2011 05:58 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i don't see a problem with this thread. yes, this section is meant to be more of a resource than anything else, but that isn't to say it's not allowed to make LoL-specific jokes or joke threads. the last one got axed because it was offensive. probably gonna have a chat with the rest of staff to see if we're all on the same page on the matter, but for now i'll say this thread is np On April 06 2011 06:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: if it's well-executed and actually funny, yes. caller's OP has obvious effort in it, his jokes make sense, etc etc. its a good thread, just questionable whether it belongs here or not. i'm leaning towards yes | ||
LessThree
United States78 Posts
I'm fully aware that there's the "NaDa's Body" thread that's been around for two years, but that's in the Starcraft: Brood War part of the site. The Starcraft 2 section lacks its equivalent to that so-far At the very least, it would have been a place to admire all the Starcraft 2 pro-gamers for the Starcraft 2 fandom... ![]() | ||
heishe
Germany2284 Posts
(First Girlfriend) I assume because of trolling? | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
On April 19 2011 23:21 heishe wrote: It's not my thread, but why was this closed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214297 (First Girlfriend) I assume because of trolling? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214297#8 My best guess. | ||
GG.NoRe
Korea (South)1051 Posts
On April 20 2011 03:00 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214297#8 My best guess. Oh. My thread is discussed here? Happy surprise. Thanks heishe for asking for me. I wanted also to ask because I want to know more but I dont want to spam. Accidentally I see here. kk. Torte Im sorry you imply Im troll? I already answer that question. Sorry if my English is not good like you. User was warned for this post | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
You can p.m any staff member most of the time on why your topic was closed and most will have an equal, if not, similar answer to why the actual staff member closed it. My best guess; He's a progamer for his skill, not for his body or his personality. Nada's body is epic and original of a topic and totally caught people off-guard. It's become the central totem to post pictures and anything about the body of these pro gamers in general, not just Nada (essentially, the topic has widened its acceptable deviations). A whole topic about Jaedong's buttocks is a redundancy and it would create a precedence that would allow other people to post whole topics about specific pro gamers and their bodies. a.k.a: Keep it in the Nada's body topic. :3 That's my best idea of why it was closed. On April 20 2011 23:51 GG.NoRe wrote: Oh. My thread is discussed here? Happy surprise. Thanks heishe for asking for me. I wanted also to ask because I want to know more but I dont want to spam. Accidentally I see here. kk. Torte Im sorry you imply Im troll? I already answer that question. Sorry if my English is not good like you. User was warned for this post I was merely trying to answer your question. Maybe the topic was simply inappropriate, it would seem like something you'd need to figure on your own and it could incite problems with some other people's responses. No other implications on my part. | ||
ffz
United States490 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=201812 <-- CJ thread. Before the announcement it was basically the same type of thread. Edit: I noticed the op for the IGN thread basically just quoted 2 lines and then wrote 2 more of his own. I can understand closing the thread because of that. | ||
graNite
Germany4434 Posts
it is not my homework. im jsut curious if this topic doesnt give a solution, im totally fine with it | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
That's my take on it, you can try private messaging the staff member for a more direct clarification (the above is only my opinion). | ||
Brotkrumen
Germany193 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=215307 I planned to play around with logical fallacies a bit, but it got closed. Before that I searched the forum and there is a thread on directional wiping and about the folding/crumbling controversy. If I oversaw a thread, I'm sorry. If there is none and the reason is that the subject of the thread does not adhere to TL.net posting standards, I can accept that too. If though the subject matter was found to be of no interest, I'd rather that the visitors decide and that the thread would just die on its own. | ||
Matharos
Canada211 Posts
So many zergs are complaining about lack of scouting options, I thought it would be useful to show how good overlords are..... I really don;t think I'm saying one race is better, I'm trying to say that zerg scouting is better then everyone thinks... | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
When in reality, they are vastly different and could not be compared. Apples and Oranges, they're both sources of vitamis (like scans and overlords are sources of scouting), but they're different in terms of cost (lose supply/lose energy + MULE) and cost (100 minerals and potentially supply-capped/lose mining of a potential mule), etc. etc. That's my understanding. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On May 13 2011 23:18 Matharos wrote: Hi I would like to know why this thread was closed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222573 So many zergs are complaining about lack of scouting options, I thought it would be useful to show how good overlords are..... I really don;t think I'm saying one race is better, I'm trying to say that zerg scouting is better then everyone thinks... It's a pretty low level discussion that doesn't further anything. It's like saying an 18-wheeler is better than a car because it's more expensive and bigger. You've completely ignored all the other factors involved in the discussion (risk analysis, lost production, vulnerability to early timings, even how to get your overlords in position to be sacrifised, etc.). You tried to turn it into apples to apples, which isn't possible. | ||
Matharos
Canada211 Posts
On May 14 2011 00:50 Chill wrote: It's a pretty low level discussion that doesn't further anything. It's like saying an 18-wheeler is better than a car because it's more expensive and bigger. You've completely ignored all the other factors involved in the discussion (risk analysis, lost production, vulnerability to early timings, even how to get your overlords in position to be sacrifised, etc.). You tried to turn it into apples to apples, which isn't possible. Ok Thanks | ||
MASSivezTV
United States289 Posts
would LOVE to know why this was closed with in 5 minutes of it being up. Seems like TL mods have been shitty recently (dont take offense even though you should) and dont give me the "not enough effort" shit. There was a replay and everything. | ||
MASSivezTV
United States289 Posts
save the response, dont want one User was temp banned for this post. | ||
MinoMino
Norway1103 Posts
On May 17 2011 01:05 MASSivezTV wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=223715 would LOVE to know why this was closed with in 5 minutes of it being up. Seems like TL mods have been shitty recently (dont take offense even though you should) and dont give me the "not enough effort" shit. There was a replay and everything. The "this" on your blog that got closed was a link to this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=210370 Basically, you failed to tag your thread correctly, thus, the thread got closed. You failed to meet one of the most basic requirements, it's as simple as that. | ||
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This is the guidelines [H] Help threads. Post a replay, give your own analysis, get help! The classic “Why did I lose this game?”. For these threads it is absolutely required that you post a replay. No exceptions. Nobody is going to be able to help you if you won’t post a replay. Additionally, first put some thought into what happened in the game, and include your own analysis into the thread. It might be wrong, but try your best. It doesn’t have to be long, a few point form lines is enough to give people a starting point to give you advice. Your thread won’t last if you won’t put any effort in it. If you have specific questions, ask them along with your analysis. It’s always easier to reply if we know what exactly you need help with. | ||
Try
United States1293 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=225343 I posted basically this exact same thread awhile ago, but mine was closed. My thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133083 I was curious why mine was closed, while the other one is allowed to stay open. Thanks. | ||
hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
I'm not a fan of the guy, but I'm curious why the thread got closed and the op got nuked. I know he cheated for tsl2, but that didn't stop Dimaga from getting a fan club. He's BM, but no more BM than some other big names. Is it a combination of the two that no one else has, or is there part of the story I'm not aware of? | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227627 | ||
Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On May 29 2011 18:36 joe7dust wrote: Why was this thread closed just 30 seconds after I made it? I know I only have 6 posts, but I've been on here since 2004 and I think it is a legitimate question for the Starcraft 2 Strategy subforum... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227627 The standards for the strategy forum are kept quite high. Did you read the guideline at the top of the forum ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=113479 A few things missing. Tags, replays, in dept anaylisis. People cant help your gameplay if you dont show it. Nor should you expect them to if you dont provide a good analysis yourself. Though I'm not a mod this is how I would feel about your post. | ||
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United States59 Posts
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
On May 29 2011 23:04 joe7dust wrote: I saw that, I'm not asking for an in depth analysis of my play. I want to know the top 3 TvZ players, to study them. All the ones I've seen so far seem to lose most of the time. Is there a better subforum to ask? Best players are usually from Korea and good luck getting their replays, you are better off checking some replay site and just grabbing 10-100 TvZ replays regardless of whether they win or lose and practice the opening, there is strategy that wins 100% of the time. Judging by your post, a lot of the high level play would be over your head at this point too. | ||
Edmon
United Kingdom259 Posts
I worry that if I explain the joke here it might no longer be funny ![]() | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 30 2011 03:11 Edmon wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227709 I worry that if I explain the joke here it might no longer be funny ![]() If you explain it to the mod that closed it, then only he/she would know and it might get reopened, doesn't hurt to try. | ||
Edmon
United Kingdom259 Posts
On May 30 2011 05:54 Torte de Lini wrote: If you explain it to the mod that closed it, then only he/she would know and it might get reopened, doesn't hurt to try. It's reopened in a forum I've never been to before. So thanks for the reopen guys ![]() | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On May 30 2011 06:40 Edmon wrote: It's reopened in a forum I've never been to before. So thanks for the reopen guys ![]() TL Community ): How can you not know it~ It's full of LANs and awesome chatter! | ||
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You guys have proven within a matter of only a handful of posts that you're incapable of not turning this into a shitfest. Good job, we're all proud. Topic perhaps too difficult for the community? | ||
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Manifesto7
Osaka27128 Posts
On May 30 2011 10:16 muccer wrote: why was my Canada beats US in peace thread closed? Country A > Country B threads are never successful. | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
All I am asking for is 3 of the best TvZ playersnames, besides Select... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227627 I can do the googling and replay acquisition myself after that. | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:48 joe7dust wrote: @ Zaphid, I don't really care if it's above my head. I did exactly as you said before posting and watched 10 ZvT on Xel Naga, but 9/10 zerg won. The one game terran won it was with 2 red thors and 3 marines just as broodlords were about to come out... I just want some good replays where Terran wins from far positions. Without being close enough to put good 2 rax pressure, they are hard to deal with. Btw its not hard to get Korean replays, used to do it all the time in BW and have seen quite a few in SC2 as well. All I am asking for is 3 of the best TvZ playersnames, besides Select... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227627 I can do the googling and replay acquisition myself after that. Try the following: Bomber MMA Demuslim Thorzain TLO | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On May 30 2011 23:48 joe7dust wrote: All I am asking for is 3 of the best TvZ playersnames, besides Select... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227627 I can do the googling and replay acquisition myself after that. When you open a thread, think about what value you are going to be providing to the community. If there is no value, then your thread is selfish, meaning you should just do work instead of opening a thread for other people to do work. Finding the best TvZ players can be done by reading and watching replays. No one else is going to get any value from this thread except you. | ||
Ploodo
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227782 Thanks | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
KwarK is now my hero. KwarK wrote:Closing this in the name of physics. Bring me peer reviewed articles in scientific journals, not youtube videos. | ||
BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I didn't make this thread, but I think the commercial is good for e-sports, sc2 in particular, it features one of our more prominent members, and I think it deserves visibility on TL. Topics with just a youtube vid aren't normally thread material. However, in this case, the thread is really just about showing people the commercial and discussing it. All the relevant info was basically provided in the thread title. There aren't really any articles or press releases to link here. What are the mods expecting here to make this thread-worthy? I'm willing to re-make it if I know what to provide. | ||
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Here is a commercial between Kingston HyperX and EGiNcontrol doing a funny skit and a bit of a nod to the classic movie: Office Space. It's pretty short and concise, but I find it relatively funny and the lack music during the whole scene really adds a form of frankness and awkward humor. The last message on the screen reminds me a bit of Geico, no narrative or outside voice stating what the product is, you just know. Really funny and super acting, as expected, from iNcontrol. | ||
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On June 09 2011 02:50 Chill wrote: We have internal discussion going on about that thread. Please sit tight. It's gonna be re-made1000 times if you close it lol | ||
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On June 09 2011 03:37 ditkaordie wrote: It's gonna be re-made1000 times if you close it lol That doesn't influence the decision at all. lol | ||
ExArcher
Norway2 Posts
My bud ExDessambrae spent quite a while making a writeup of his Queen/Broodlord strategy, and it was closed promptly after lots of positive responses. He went to bed right after posting, so I'm basically wondering why it was closed. Is there anything he could do to raise it to TL's standards, or was it just deemed to be an outdated build? Thanks ^_^ | ||
Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On June 10 2011 07:15 ExArcher wrote: Hey, My bud ExDessambrae spent quite a while making a writeup of his Queen/Broodlord strategy, and it was closed promptly after lots of positive responses. He went to bed right after posting, so I'm basically wondering why it was closed. Is there anything he could do to raise it to TL's standards, or was it just deemed to be an outdated build? Thanks ^_^ I PM'd him about it. There's a line for threads being too theorycrafty and saying "let's just mass queens early and go straight to brood lords" without considering how you're going to take your 3rd, how you're going to stop the Protoss from taking his 3rd, how the macro game's going to turn out because of that, and how he's actually going to engage (since he can't really attack off creep) isn't acceptable. Basically, it seems like he posted the thread without thinking through all the logistics of such a strategy. I appreciate the effort he put into the post, but it doesn't belong in Strategy. He can post it in blogs if he wants. | ||
ExArcher
Norway2 Posts
I'll see if we can improve the post, since it's a strategy he has used several times against master league players, and it has been a winning strat in tournaments we have hosted. We'd love for people to discover and try it. Thanks again, you are awesome! | ||
Craton
United States17235 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:33 Craton wrote: So regarding all the "vote for Anna" threads we've had, what ever happened to the policy of closing "vote for X" threads? e.g. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174365 Those websites are stupid. Basically they get people to visit the site and vote so they can get money from ads and their site gets exposure. They don't mean anything at all. Edit:sorry for semi-bump | ||
KgKris
United States164 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 30 2011 08:57 KgKris wrote: It wasn't in strat! ![]() Meh, it was still a content-less OP that invited nothing but a choice between useless theorycrafting or balance whining. I only saw it after the lock, but it had the look of a Strat closure, especially with Saracen closing it. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
this thread was closed with "reason" retarded. Can I get a more in depth explanation as it seems other mods had replied in it. | ||
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 05 2011 05:11 dacthehork wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=240225 this thread was closed with "reason" retarded. Can I get a more in depth explanation as it seems other mods had replied in it. I suspect it has something to do with one of the following
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
On July 06 2011 11:15 Probulous wrote: I suspect it has something to do with one of the following
Maybe I am wrong but these are what jump out at me. would still like an official mod response and not speculation | ||
Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote: would still like an official mod response and not speculation It's alright to be upset when one of your threads got closed, especially if it was a large and active discussion. However, Probulus' points aren't speculation, they're facts. The thread was a train wreck to begin with, lacking neutrality and imposing personal moral standards on others. Coupled with a complete failure to understand the concept behind reddit by both yourself and multiple other posters, it was bound to be closed sooner rather than later. Do you seriously think that "my moral standard and point of view are superior, so either agree with me or shut up" is a good start for a discussion? | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On July 06 2011 17:15 dacthehork wrote: would still like an official mod response and not speculation Poor judgement call on my part, sorry ![]() And sorry for the delayed response, I've been up to some things IRL the past couple days ![]() | ||
userstupidname
Sweden272 Posts
![]() Hello I made a forum post regarding the idea of making starcraft broodwar music and other misc things as unlocks to be able to be used in starcraft 2 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=241011 The topic had a favorable response and I am confused as it seems that it doesn't seems to brake any rules. The reasons it got closed was these - Don't use TL as a petition signup page. - Don't use TL as an avenue for changing SC2. - Please think through your ideas more than "Wouldn't this be cool?" before opening a thread. But these are terribly confusing ![]() I am also don't understand the second as that would mean that tons of threads and comments regarding balance or just anything wanting to improve/make worse (its subjective)/change sc2 would have to be closed ?? I also want to expand my knowledge around ''wouldn't this be cool?'' I just basically made a thread that expanded the reward mechanic other then the existing pool of portraits and idols so that brood war sounds and other related objects could be unlocked. But more importantly how are one supposed to discuss cosmetic things? Like similar ideas where people expand the achivements etc. How should I have worded my topic so that its acceptable? Or can you just not talk about achivement unlocks or various cosmetic things? I firmly believe that it would be profitable as a poster for hots or the third expansion to attract both nostalgic players to buy it just as the current achivements had a similar affect on a certain consumer base that are attracted to it. It doesn't also reach out to everything like icons and sound, as those can be game changing that is up for debate however its not up to me to pick or choose but certain things like the music for example would give much benefit to the enjoyment of the game. Would be really nice if it could be unlocked for the public Best regards and wishes Userstupidname ![]() Ps Hope I wasn't to aggressive, I am sorry if it seems so I am just lacking knowledge around this closing down of the thread ![]() Also excuse my english >.< :p Other threads of similar nature http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=238769 | ||
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 08 2011 05:24 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Poor judgement call on my part, sorry ![]() And sorry for the delayed response, I've been up to some things IRL the past couple days ![]() Well this may be very noble, it begs the question, what exactly is so redeeming about that thread? Here are some choice responses since it has been reopened On July 08 2011 05:53 GhettoSheep wrote: I really don't care... On July 08 2011 05:57 Rinny wrote: The reddit admins can't ban stuff like that. The users would throw one of there biweekly shit storms. On July 08 2011 06:13 relyt wrote: It's not my problem if someone gets off to jailbait. I don't see why people should care about this. A dude jerking off to a 14 year old a in swimsuit has no effect on me, so why should I tell them he can't do it? On July 08 2011 06:14 Leporello wrote: So, if TeamLiquid allowed a thread in the General subforum where people posted unsolicited pictures of minors that are meant to be as revealing, provocative, and lewd as possible, you'd all be cool with that? Since it's not TeamLiquid itself that's posting the pictures?+ Show Spoiler + Websites decide what content stays and what goes, despite what user-content may be put on there. I don't use reddit, but if a website I do visit on a casual-basis were to allow such content, I'd start going elsewhere. Save that stuff for the seedy pr0n sites and 4chan -- another website I'm glad to never visit. I understand reddit is supposed to be a very wide-ranged forum for user-content, but that doesn't mean anything and everything. They can and do censor things at their own discretion. This has nothing to do with internet censorship, unless you think Reddit is the entire internet. This has more to do with whether reddit is to be a casual-friendly place, or another 4chan, imo. On July 08 2011 06:38 Hyren wrote: Sarcastic post that makes sweeping generalizations to compare /r/jailbate to a completely different, less threatening entity/site. Guffaw to self at how clever I am. On July 08 2011 06:44 ELA wrote: How about what you see on a european beach? or an african beach? idiot 13 responses at time of writing, 6 of dubious quality. I am not advocating that there is something inherently wrong with this thread, rather I don't know what redeems it. | ||
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 08 2011 13:35 Probulous wrote: Well this may be very noble, it begs the question, what exactly is so redeeming about that thread? Here are some choice responses since it has been reopened 13 responses at time of writing, 6 of dubious quality. I am not advocating that there is something inherently wrong with this thread, rather I don't know what redeems it. Alright, it has been four days without a response to this. In the meantime this thread has decended anarchy. The OP has a blatant agenda and is intent on trying to convince all and sundry that reddit is supporting the abuse young women. Any reasonable attempt to explain the situation has been met with distain. There have been many requests for the thread to be closed and the mods response has been "don't bump the thread". So, again I ask, what is so redeeming about this thread that it deserved to be reopened? I will be posting a link in the thread to here so people understand the reasoning given so far. | ||
[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243464 Maybe to some it sounds outright idiotic to have an UI option to display the total worker count (while it would be very nice to have it in replays!) But SC2 also displays the waypoint pathes. And an ingame clock, which would have been considered absurd before Blizzard implemented it. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
I didn't close it so it was only a guess. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 14 2011 04:38 [F_]aths wrote: Not my thread was closed, but I still wonder what is going on? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243464 Maybe to some it sounds outright idiotic to have an UI option to display the total worker count (while it would be very nice to have it in replays!) But SC2 also displays the waypoint pathes. And an ingame clock, which would have been considered absurd before Blizzard implemented it. An in-game clock was suggested [I believe] on the Battle.net's forums. Should make suggested topics there :3 | ||
ccJroy
United States483 Posts
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On July 16 2011 04:35 ccJroy wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244228 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244235 This is similar to Desrow's topic being closed when he got personallity sponsored by TTEsports. | ||
thane
United States407 Posts
I didnt get any explanation also if I revise it and make it better can I remake it? | ||
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Germany38463 Posts
On July 17 2011 07:35 thane wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=244577 I didnt get any explanation also if I revise it and make it better can I remake it? Terrible poll, weak topic indeed. Closing this. Your poll is bias towards your opinion. Your topic lacks a bit of depth or actual stance. You summarize the article and then your opinion is pretty weak and lacking: I feel that the way everyone in the US expects a raise is the reason companies are leaving the US(among other reasons). Please give your poll answer and leave your thoughts. "Because I personally feel everyone (all people, all citizens) in the U.S expects a raise is the prime reason companies are leaving the U.S (among other reasons, which should be considered when you make such a blanket statement). Just needs a bit more work or thought in my opinion. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On July 17 2011 13:02 thane wrote: ok next time I will just write a couple pages You don't need to write more, you need to write things that make sense. "Would you rather have half of something or nothing" is a stupid basis for a thread. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 20 2011 23:45 freeskier428 wrote: Posted a small thread on a small tourny....was closed. Why? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=245683 There's no information. Map-pool? Number of players? Check-in time? Brackets? Prize? Best of #? Rules? Form of reporting wins/losses? Way of contacting the admins of the tournament? | ||
Gradius
United States112 Posts
I tried to post one that I made in what I assume is the right spot, but it got closed with no explanation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=219797 After hours of video editing with my crappy software, I linked another video I made in an appropriate thread and received a warning that said "don't post memes". Now, I get that TL is trying to cut down the amount of garbage posted, but why exactly can't I post memes? Especially if it's new and relevant to the topic. Creating your own Hitler parodies is a great way to express your opinion, and if moderators don't like Hitler parodies because they lump it in with meme garbage, it shouldn't really be a factor. | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:10 Gradius wrote: I enjoy watching and making Hitler parodies. Though most of them are dumb, there are some gems out there that are incisive and require a real sense of humor to make. I tried to post one that I made in what I assume is the right spot, but it got closed with no explanation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=219797 After hours of video editing with my crappy software, I linked another video I made in an appropriate thread and received a warning that said "don't post memes". Now, I get that TL is trying to cut down the amount of garbage posted, but why exactly can't I post memes? Especially if it's new and relevant to the topic. Creating your own Hitler parodies is a great way to express your opinion, and if moderators don't like Hitler parodies because they lump it in with meme garbage, it shouldn't really be a factor. Here is a quote from the 10 commandments on this website. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 Rule#4 Paragraph 2. For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content. It is just a link to a video with one line. Needs to have more content and something worth discussing other than another hitler video making fun of something that usually is not funny. | ||
[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
combat-ex is not and will never be welcome on TL I know CombatEx is really BM, but why the lifetime ban? TL has several grandmasters that are BM and even former cheaters that are allowed to post. I apologize, i'm just not familiar with the full history of CombatEx and TL. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 25 2011 02:07 [Atomic]Peace wrote: It wasn't my thread, but I'm curious about this one. Specifically: I know CombatEx is really BM, but why the lifetime ban? TL has several grandmasters that are BM and even former cheaters that are allowed to post. I apologize, i'm just not familiar with the full history of CombatEx and TL. He's a well-known cheater and unacceptable personality on Team Liquid. Deezer is very rude and disrespectful, but he is allowed on TL and the TL Opens. Combat-Ex is unacceptable and he doesn't deserve anything stemming or relating from Team Liquid. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=239643 A very good read and the replies from staff. | ||
[Atomic]Peace
United States451 Posts
On July 25 2011 04:19 Torte de Lini wrote: He's a well-known cheater and unacceptable personality on Team Liquid. Deezer is very rude and disrespectful, but he is allowed on TL and the TL Opens. Combat-Ex is unacceptable and he doesn't deserve anything stemming or relating from Team Liquid. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=239643 A very good read and the replies from staff. Definitely a good read. I'm curious about why Major's stream is still featured/listed then, given his recent attempt at cheating. And presumably CombatEx is a current cheater?, as former cheaters like Spades, Dimaga, and TT1 have featured streams. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 25 2011 05:38 [Atomic]Peace wrote: Definitely a good read. I'm curious about why Major's stream is still featured/listed then, given his recent attempt at cheating. And presumably CombatEx is a current cheater?, as former cheaters like Spades, Dimaga, and TT1 have featured streams. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/iew2r/queen_of_the_hill_showmatch_series_community/c237nss I said before I was the one that spoke to Destiny, it was exactly as he said, we never threatened him just told him our view. That's all. I'm glad Destiny has given this issue thought and cares about the implications of running a showmatch like this. There's probably no doubt that this would get a lot of hits. From the standpoint of more traffic and more attention, we'd probably be wise to allow threads and calendar and all that. But we've always had a stance with cheaters and we know from experience what giving them attention can do. We'll never sacrifice that for some more stream viewers. The difference between this case and TT1 is that TT1 was banned from TL for 2 years, and after apologizing and rehabilitating he was allowed back. Combat cheated as recently as weeks ago and has never shown any sort of remorse for it. He wants the attention, and it doesn't matter if it's negative or not, that's just showing people that you can BM, you can cheat, and you'll still get the attention of top pros and showmatches without consequences. This isn't something we want to promote. I'd just like to thank all the people who have PM'd and given support despite our stance to be relatively unpopular here on Reddit. I understand why "censorship" and what we do can provoke such strong opinions, but I just urge that everyone consider that sometimes, it's OK to disagree without being insulting and hateful. Combat-Ex displays 0 remorse, apology or regret for his habits and actions unlike the names you've mentioned (not sure about Major though). | ||
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United States6046 Posts
I support the stance, but the way the policy was enforced took me by surprise. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On July 25 2011 09:11 Cassel_Castle wrote: It's hard going to r/sc lately because everyone's just like "OMG Combat-Ex is so great for making free videos let's forgive him completely for being a cheater!" as if he's not just making the videos to get famous. He used to use the videos to solicit donations in bw. He used the iccup abuse to justify taking $ from idiots on youtube who didn't know any better. | ||
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United States563 Posts
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baas
Switzerland69 Posts
I don't see where I would have offended anybody and there were no warnings either? He just closed it with the words "How do you suppose the game goes for the player to get out 3 ravens go across the entire map, place down turrets in these ideal locations and not be killed before?" But I wasn't saying at all that you should just make 3 ravens and go turret harrassing I just pointed out that with only 3 ravens you could wall in the enemy probes and that that seemed a good idea to me. I would really like to hear the reason, if you would make the effort to explain it to me. I'm new to this forum (read the guidelines) and so I would like to know what I did wrong. Seriously. Regards baas | ||
godemperor
Belgium2043 Posts
On July 27 2011 11:46 tw!tch wrote: Just out of curiosity, why was the CatsPajamas fan thread closed? From what I saw, its wasn't very well made. Fan club need a certain amount of quality in order to continue. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 28 2011 02:54 baas wrote: I would like to ask Ares[Effort], why my thread about auto-turret positioning was closed? I don't see where I would have offended anybody and there were no warnings either? He just closed it with the words "How do you suppose the game goes for the player to get out 3 ravens go across the entire map, place down turrets in these ideal locations and not be killed before?" But I wasn't saying at all that you should just make 3 ravens and go turret harrassing I just pointed out that with only 3 ravens you could wall in the enemy probes and that that seemed a good idea to me. I would really like to hear the reason, if you would make the effort to explain it to me. I'm new to this forum (read the guidelines) and so I would like to know what I did wrong. Seriously. Regards baas It's a discussion based off a scenario or situation. A replay would probably be the best way to show Ares that his skepticism is wrong. That's my understanding at least. You can always p.m Ares too! | ||
baas
Switzerland69 Posts
I have to say rereading my initial post I may see how one can get the idea that i meant: Build 3 ravens. Wall in the enemy probe line with turrets. Win. But that was in no way what I intended. My points were: - there are terrans that use mass turrets to harass worker lines, even pros sometimes - I think when you go for that, you could improve this tactic by preventing the opponent from pulling away his workers and thereby limiting the amount of damage such a harrass deals significantly. A way to do this would be to wall in his probes or at least try to make it more difficult for them to retreat, because every couple seconds you get will potentially increase his losses. Why not placing turrets in this case deliberately then more or less randomly, since as a lot of people said, the raven energy is precious. - You don't need an insane number of ravens to pull of such a wall in, often already 3 would be enough. I never wanted to say: "take three ravens and not more". The 3 raven were just meant as an example. - You may consider splitting your ravens into different groups to do the wall in quicker and simultaneously. -Concerning the evidence: I've uploaded a picture that illustrates one possibility to do such a wall of and I mentioned the games to show that it at least worked for me in a game. - as I repeatetly made clear later on in the thread, I wasn't saying you should go for turret harrass, I just wanted to say, if you do that, there may be a more efficient way to do it. So I would gladly edit my initial thread by those points, if that would help to reopen it again. I'm sorry if there was a misconception about my intentions. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 28 2011 06:30 baas wrote: Is it allowed to PM Mods about this? I have to say rereading my initial post I may see how one can get the idea that i meant: Build 3 ravens. Wall in the enemy probe line with turrets. Win. But that was in no way what I intended. My points were: - there are terrans that use mass turrets to harass worker lines, even pros sometimes - I think when you go for that, you could improve this tactic by preventing the opponent from pulling away his workers and thereby limiting the amount of damage such a harrass deals significantly. A way to do this would be to wall in his probes or at least try to make it more difficult for them to retreat, because every couple seconds you get will potentially increase his losses. Why not placing turrets in this case deliberately then more or less randomly, since as a lot of people said, the raven energy is precious. - You don't need an insane number of ravens to pull of such a wall in, often already 3 would be enough. I never wanted to say: "take three ravens and not more". The 3 raven were just meant as an example. - You may consider splitting your ravens into different groups to do the wall in quicker and simultaneously. -Concerning the evidence: I've uploaded a picture that illustrates one possibility to do such a wall of and I mentioned the games to show that it at least worked for me in a game. - as I repeatetly made clear later on in the thread, I wasn't saying you should go for turret harrass, I just wanted to say, if you do that, there may be a more efficient way to do it. So I would gladly edit my initial thread by those points, if that would help to reopen it again. I'm sorry if there was a misconception about my intentions. You're always welcome to p.m staff, even when banned or so. | ||
baas
Switzerland69 Posts
On July 28 2011 06:32 Torte de Lini wrote: You're always welcome to p.m staff, even when banned or so. Ok, good to know. Thank you ![]() | ||
dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
Wondering why this thread was closed by kennigit, no explanation given. I think it is a topic that deserves discussion. AKA Xeris taking the seat from a contest winner at MLG Anaheim and generally doing it in a very haughty way. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On August 02 2011 13:46 dacthehork wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250390 Wondering why this thread was closed by kennigit, no explanation given. I think it is a topic that deserves discussion. AKA Xeris taking the seat from a contest winner at MLG Anaheim and generally doing it in a very haughty way. The second post to your thread is a link to it being discussed already | ||
pontiff
Bulgaria73 Posts
Seems like asking for tips is against the 'guidelines'. I thought these were discussion forums. At least I confirm my previous impression on these snob forums - everything is in the guidelines according to TL snobs and it doesn't matter that my particular case is not mentioned. I could have elaborated my question, but he, it is better for the e-peen to lock the noob thread. These forums are still unworthy for non-sect members and when I need tips and help, threads are immediately locked if they are not TL geekish enough. I will stick to watching streams and news (at least this site is still good for that) and if that is ok, do not ban me. I won't write on your precious forums anymore. User was banned for this post. | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
On August 09 2011 23:56 pontiff wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=252857 Seems like asking for tips is against the 'guidelines'. I thought these were discussion forums. At least I confirm my previous impression on these snob forums - everything is in the guidelines according to TL snobs and it doesn't matter that my particular case is not mentioned. I could have elaborated my question, but he, it is better for the e-peen to lock the noob thread. These forums are still unworthy for non-sect members and when I need tips and help, threads are immediately locked if they are not TL geekish enough. I will stick to watching streams and news (at least this site is still good for that) and if that is ok, do not ban me. I won't write on your precious forums anymore. Time for me to be a "snob". Here is your post. I am not an expert, but this map is a bit terrible for me. It is all choke points and bottle necks, which is the heaven for terran's ranged only units. Any tips accept from voting it down? Let us break it down. You need help on a map, you don't tell us what you need help with, just about how Terran is imbalanced with ranged units. You do not state what you are having trouble with, you just say it has choke points and bottle necks. You do not include any replays or examples of what is causing you to lose on this map. Any tips? What are we giving you tips on? You didn't tell us anything else. The help threads are not all locked, just ones that have no effort in them like yours. You even admitted you could have made it better. | ||
RoyW
Ireland270 Posts
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=254466¤tpage=17 Thanks. | ||
Motat
315 Posts
i dont know why it was closed! i thought my topic was a very important topic that not alot talk about! | ||
Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On August 16 2011 07:18 Motat wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255258#10 i dont know why it was closed! i thought my topic was a very important topic that not alot talk about! I can't tell you why it was closed since im just a reader here. But it really just looks like either a insane message or a obvious troll. But I do have a question for you. Do you understand the concept of TLDR (too long didnt read). It is meant to be a short statement that captures your entire post in one or two sentences. However in your case it is longer than the first part. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Anyways, the merits of various games as esports vs each other is at best flamebait on a community site that's centered on only one of the ones in question, with any reference to others being an afterthought. | ||
creamyturtle
United States487 Posts
Why o why was my thread closed? | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On August 16 2011 12:29 creamyturtle wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=255363 Why o why was my thread closed? Because the Blizzard forums are over at battle.net This is Teamliquid.net. Slight difference. | ||
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United States487 Posts
Q: What should I be posting about? A: Basically, anything you want to talk about but aren't sure if it warrants a topic of its own. Heard a rumour you want to share? A new video? A question you are sure is super common but can't find the answer to via searching? A brilliant new idea that you want to vet, to make sure it's really as brilliant as you think it is? This is the place. ---- How does my thread not qualify under those standards? | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
If you think Blizzard needs your idea, take it to Blizzard. Bear in mind, if they allow any kind of suggestions, it's like going down a slip n slide toward a mile high vertical dropoff where things like balance whining are concerned. Oh, and I'm pretty sure that bit you quoted from the sticky means something like that you want to discuss should be posted as a reply in that thread so that you don't start a thread that doesn't meet standards. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259377 One line topic and a picture...unless I'm missing something that makes it good? | ||
Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On August 28 2011 05:56 awu25 wrote: Why isn't this thread closed yet? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259377 One line topic and a picture...unless I'm missing something that makes it good? You're missing any sense of humor, apparently. Of course it's just a one-liner and a single picture, but it's ridiculously funny. It will get closed eventually, sure, but only after everyone has had a chance to laugh at the awesomeness of the joke. | ||
redFF
United States3910 Posts
On August 28 2011 05:56 awu25 wrote: Why isn't this thread closed yet? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=259377 One line topic and a picture...unless I'm missing something that makes it good? It's hilarious!!! | ||
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Hypertension
United States802 Posts
I'm not a fan of Tester. But its pretty harsh that the original poster basically said that its not the place to talk about how good Tester is. On September 09 2011 00:42 aaa wrote: If you actually read the thread you would know I don't think Tester is a terrible player. Please stop putting words in my mouth, like I said before you have no business to keep posting here; if you want to post about "how close" Tester was to maintaining code S please start a new Fanclub or thread. This is NOT the place for such posts anymore. | ||
Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
Closing this is a huge mistake imo. Yes, people have been asking about it since retail. But if theres a sudden outcry after a hired blizzard employee stated its possible (even though its only costumer service), then theres actually a pretty ok chance we could get this implemented (Theres is quite a lot of posts on battle.net forums and reddit atm). Don't think that blizzard employees doesn't read through TL either. Its stupid to close such a good thread because "its probably not going to happen anyways". In any case it doesn't do any harm to this site, so theres nothing to lose by keeping it open either ![]() edit: also, the title is pretty accurate if you read the OP.. If you don't like it though, you could easily just change it instead of closing the entire thread =| | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On September 12 2011 18:24 Excludos wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=264829¤tpage=11 Closing this is a huge mistake imo. Yes, people have been asking about it since retail. But if theres a sudden outcry after a hired blizzard employee stated its possible (even though its only costumer service), then theres actually a pretty ok chance we could get this implemented (Theres is quite a lot of posts on battle.net forums and reddit atm). Don't think that blizzard employees doesn't read through TL either. Its stupid to close such a good thread because "its probably not going to happen anyways". In any case it doesn't do any harm to this site, so theres nothing to lose by keeping it open either ![]() edit: also, the title is pretty accurate if you read the OP.. If you don't like it though, you could easily just change it instead of closing the entire thread =| A: Blizzard announced nothing, there's no proof anything the guy says is true. B: TL doesn't do poll/petition threads. C: If you want to convince Blizzard of something, battle.net is over --->. Might be more reasons than that, too. | ||
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On September 12 2011 22:25 JingleHell wrote: A: Blizzard announced nothing, there's no proof anything the guy says is true. B: TL doesn't do poll/petition threads. C: If you want to convince Blizzard of something, battle.net is over --->. Might be more reasons than that, too. A: Doesn't matter. Its still an outcry that could lead to something. B: This wasn't a petition thread. It was a thread discussing a petition thread. C: More views of the thread here leads to more views of the thread on Bnet. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On September 13 2011 00:46 Excludos wrote: A: Doesn't matter. Its still an outcry that could lead to something. B: This wasn't a petition thread. It was a thread discussing a petition thread. C: More views of the thread here leads to more views of the thread on Bnet. A: Sure it matters, it goes from showing support to a blind petition and whine, since it isn't Blizz related. B: This is not a balance whine, race X is imba. C: TL doesn't generally allow "Hey Blizzard do this" threads, no matter what excuses are offered. | ||
Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
On September 13 2011 00:58 JingleHell wrote: A: Sure it matters, it goes from showing support to a blind petition and whine, since it isn't Blizz related. B: This is not a balance whine, race X is imba. C: TL doesn't generally allow "Hey Blizzard do this" threads, no matter what excuses are offered. If its true what is said in the op, then its actually important that we show blizzard we want this. Thus this is a valuable chance of actually contributing to this game we all love. Like I said, its not like its hurts TL in any way whatsoever leaving this thread open. Quite opposite, we have something to gain. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On September 13 2011 01:05 Excludos wrote: If its true what is said in the op, then its actually important that we show blizzard we want this. Thus this is a valuable chance of actually contributing to this game we all love. Like I said, its not like its hurts TL in any way whatsoever leaving this thread open. Quite opposite, we have something to gain. Do you think people on the internet are above "This was allowed, why isn't mine"? Anyway, the mods seem to have killed it, I gave you the most likely reasons based on what they close threads for, and I'm really the wrong person to try and convince. Really, I'd prefer the occasional thing that might be good if it isn't pure BS to get closed than to see one of the best sites around go downhill from too many exceptions. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On September 13 2011 01:05 Excludos wrote: If its true what is said in the op, then its actually important that we show blizzard we want this. Thus this is a valuable chance of actually contributing to this game we all love. Like I said, its not like its hurts TL in any way whatsoever leaving this thread open. Quite opposite, we have something to gain. If you want to drum up support for a name change petition, go for it. But TL doesn't allow these kinds of threads so you'll have to find another way. Reddit has a similar thread and reddit is really good at drumming up support for a cause, so I suggest you join their efforts. We used to allow these kinds of threads, but then everyone decided their cause was super important and started using TL as a means. At that point we blanket banned these types of threads. | ||
Drzil
United States26 Posts
i guess i understand that youtube videos should go in the youtube thread but it diidnt start out as a youtube video i edited it in sorry. | ||
Craton
United States17235 Posts
On August 16 2011 12:51 creamyturtle wrote: How does my thread not qualify under those standards? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=17883 Your post is nothing more than "this is how Blizzard should change sc2" which has always been prohibited. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 08 2011 21:20 Drzil wrote: Not sure why my thread was closed. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=273102 i guess i understand that youtube videos should go in the youtube thread but it diidnt start out as a youtube video i edited it in sorry. TL is trying to stop the influx of "Oh, well, this is shitty." type news stories. If it isn't relevant and doesn't provoke discussion, it doesn't get a thread anymore. | ||
BlackJack
United States10259 Posts
The video is really interesting and insightful and worth a discussion, imo. Especially considering the types of threads that are currently in general, my little pony, kpop, vampire diaries, dating, etc. It's like a middle school girls locker room in there | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 09 2011 23:36 BlackJack wrote: Not my thread but I was disappointed to see this closed http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=273497 The video is really interesting and insightful and worth a discussion, imo. Especially considering the types of threads that are currently in general, my little pony, kpop, vampire diaries, dating, etc. It's like a middle school girls locker room in there A youtube video referencing a news story and heading straight for a political argument, with no opinion from the OP... yeaaah no idea why they'd close something like that before wasting thousands of man hours moderating it... | ||
BlackJack
United States10259 Posts
On October 10 2011 02:28 JingleHell wrote: A youtube video referencing a news story and heading straight for a political argument, with no opinion from the OP... yeaaah no idea why they'd close something like that before wasting thousands of man hours moderating it... No offense but I didn't come here for your opinion. Thanks anyway I suppose | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 10 2011 03:04 BlackJack wrote: No offense but I didn't come here for your opinion. Thanks anyway I suppose No offense, but if you think you'd get a different answer from a mod, you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
BlackJack
United States10259 Posts
On October 10 2011 03:27 JingleHell wrote: No offense, but if you think you'd get a different answer from a mod, you don't know what you're talking about. Don't you have anything better to do? And don't you know how many people get banned on this site for trying to speak for mods? | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 10 2011 03:45 BlackJack wrote: Don't you have anything better to do? And don't you know how many people get banned on this site for trying to speak for mods? Yeah, and it usually happens for things like telling the mods how to punish a post, not for answering a question correctly. ![]() And no, I don't have anything better to do between games in a weekend tournament I'm watching. If you do, maybe you should be doing them instead of trying to imply I'm a no-lifer. | ||
Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
Unfortunately you came into this with very visable bias. You already derailed your own thread - we try to avoid this stuff since it never ends well (religion, "fringe" politics (even though there is a concious war by media against Paul)). I think on the incredibly unlikely off-chance that they allow one to stay open (they tend to devolve into name-calling, screaming, uninformative shitfests), it will be one where the OP doesn't call out anybody who disagrees directly, while proudly proclaiming his inability to be objective. That's usually grounds for a bad thread... | ||
Shelke14
Canada6655 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:42 JingleHell wrote: To quote Kennigit... I think on the incredibly unlikely off-chance that they allow one to stay open (they tend to devolve into name-calling, screaming, uninformative shitfests), it will be one where the OP doesn't call out anybody who disagrees directly, while proudly proclaiming his inability to be objective. That's usually grounds for a bad thread... ahhhhhhhh kk thanks man! Thats all i wanted to know :D | ||
blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
I opened up a thread the day before yesterday for 2 of my new songs. I did this like I always did it for my previous songs because I want to share the SC2 related stuff I'm writing, recording and putting up for free. I don't earn any money out of it or have the intent to. Here is the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274087 The day after (yesterday) I had kind of a motivational push and wrote and recorded another SC2 song (One more game) in one day and I was so excited about it, that I wanted to share it. So I searched for my thread from the day before when I realised it got buried to like page 3 and I thought it would be best to let it die, especially because it is a NEW song and it had nothing to do with neither the votes nor the songs in the other thread. So I decided to open up another one to share it with you guys. This is the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274381 I received some feedback and then went to sleep. When I woke up today I was shocked about BOTH my threads being closed. I can't understand that. I mean, the old thread was buried anyway, but there is no real reason to close neither one of those threads. This is MY contribution to the scene and there are some people that want these threads. Every SC2 related musician here opens threads for every new song they make. Why am I not allowed to do so if they are? Once again, I do not promote anything. It is only promotion if you promote something that sells or brings in money for you. I don't get a freagging dime from what i'm doing, I'm just making songs and want people to hear them. YES, I posted some links to my youtube/soundcloud channel and a link to my Twitter. But that is still no promotion for anything, I just want people to listen to my other songs, and if they like to, follow me for updates on new songs or whatever. This is SHARING, not PROMOTING. Please clarify. Cheers EDIT: I previously posted 2 threads with my songs and they didn't got closed. Same goes with some threads from other artists like Suspense, Temp0 and others. | ||
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Nyovne
Netherlands19129 Posts
It is very simple, personal topics go into blogs, general information topics go into the general sections of these boards. Exceptions obviously being cases of personal stories or devellopments impacting the scene as a whole or being otherwise exceptional. I did not judge this to be the case. On this basis alone your topic did not belong in SC2 general. Secondly to go into some more detail as to why this was closed as there was more going on then just the content type of your topic. You decided to open a second thread for exactly the same topic you posted before. The first topic didn't even get closed yet, but as it died due to lack of interest from other users you didn't even perform a shameless self bump on your other topic but even went the distance to just create a new topic about it. This obviously is not the way things are intended on these boards in relation to topic creation. Topics that receive little interest and posting activity drop down the thread list and disappear into the murkey depths of the particular forum section it was posted in. And last you decided to add all your personal links towards your sites and particulars on social media and assorted. This by default turns it into a self promotion topic. By doing so you detract from your own stated contributory goal. I mean: YES, I posted some links to my youtube/soundcloud channel and a link to my Twitter. But that is still no promotion for anything Really? As for the other topics, as far as I am concerned and aware at the moment they all belong in the blogs section as well. I'll bring it up so we can be consistent about it. | ||
blAke139
Switzerland199 Posts
On October 12 2011 17:07 Nyovne wrote: Since you decided to open a topic before waiting out my PM response I will reply to you in this topic as well. It is very simple, personal topics go into blogs, general information topics go into the general sections of these boards. Exceptions obviously being cases of personal stories or devellopments impacting the scene as a whole or being otherwise exceptional. I did not judge this to be the case. On this basis alone your topic did not belong in SC2 general. Secondly to go into some more detail as to why this was closed as there was more going on then just the content type of your topic. You decided to open a second thread for exactly the same topic you posted before. The first topic didn't even get closed yet, but as it died due to lack of interest from other users you didn't even perform a shameless self bump on your other topic but even went the distance to just create a new topic about it. This obviously is not the way things are intended on these boards in relation to topic creation. Topics that receive little interest and posting activity drop down the thread list and disappear into the murkey depths of the particular forum section it was posted in. And last you decided to add all your personal links towards your sites and particulars on social media and assorted. This by default turns it into a self promotion topic. By doing so you detract from your own stated contributory goal. I mean: Really? As for the other topics, as far as I am concerned and aware at the moment they all belong in the blogs section as well. I'll bring it up so we can be consistent about it. I posted here because I thought it was maybe wrong to contact you personally in that matter when I saw this thread. I will not repeat all the things I already messaged you and I am fine with your opinion. Nevertheless, the most important thing for me is that you said you wanna be consistent about it. Because if you would have been from the start I wouldn't have opened anything in this forum (as I was sure that is allowed, I seen dozens of similiar threads before and thought nobody minds). Thanks for clarifying. | ||
BioNova
United States598 Posts
On October 12 2011 05:42 JingleHell wrote: To quote Kennigit... I think on the incredibly unlikely off-chance that they allow one to stay open (they tend to devolve into name-calling, screaming, uninformative shitfests), it will be one where the OP doesn't call out anybody who disagrees directly, while proudly proclaiming his inability to be objective. That's usually grounds for a bad thread... Linked here. Yesterday, I was pretty irritated and I did PM Kennigit back, despite his signature because of the previous threads that were closed on the same subject. In the closed thread by another poster(Ron Paul 2012) it was suggested to apply a persoanl appeal to the thread and repost it. As far as I can tell, that OP did not do so. I did. I applied a personal appeal to my version. It's biased now. After PM's from other people suggested i just remove the bias and repackage it back into general forum, I decided blog would be best. Thanks. TL's still the shit, even if we're not sure whether we like monotone, one link, no opinion posts, or people will some time, and out in the open on bias, for the readers ease to distinguish OPFantasy from OPFact. No hard feelings. It's a new day and i have way moar coffee than u!!! | ||
Karliath
United States2214 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=276748 A question more important to me, however, is: If my thread was closed because I was "singling out China" as if it had all the problems in the world, how come all the other "China bashing" threads are still open, including the "Chinese Toddler Run Over, No One Helps!" thread. For, in truth, the reason I made this thread was because of the abundance of other "China bashing" threads in the General section. However my message was received, I wanted to show that there was "no point" making individual threads about individual events when this kind of stuff happens all the time. Am I in the wrong for consolidating several news stories into one thread? Thank you for your time. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
The linked content and this quote from your post "However, this stuff is common, even if not defining of the country as a whole.", were inflammatory. FWIW, I kind of think the thread about the kid getting run over should be closed as well. | ||
Karliath
United States2214 Posts
On October 18 2011 23:35 CTStalker wrote: I didn't close it for a specific reason, other than that I think the thread would have turned out quite badly. The linked content and this quote from your post "However, this stuff is common, even if not defining of the country as a whole.", were inflammatory. FWIW, I kind of think the thread about the kid getting run over should be closed as well. Okay, thank you for the clarification. | ||
NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277369 | ||
blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:18 NeWeNiyaLord wrote: Hi was just wondering why my thread was closed, As I know it was "just another list thread". But its not like it has been any thread like this as i've seen. just looking for a easy reason, Can't see I did anything wrong http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277369 HAHA, I am the one who reported it, with my funky report button. + Show Spoiler + Sry | ||
NeWeNiyaLord
Norway2474 Posts
On October 20 2011 19:23 blubbdavid wrote: HAHA, I am the one who reported it, with my funky report button. + Show Spoiler + Sry No need to be sorry ![]() | ||
blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
From EvilTeletubby on another list thread: Closing - we generally don't allow "list" threads. They generate no discussion and are little more than spam. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
Just because you haven't seen a thread like it, doesn't mean it will be allowed to stay open. Bottom line is people will just list things without caring what other people are saying | ||
Darclite
United States1021 Posts
I'm just curious, as I only linked it because I figured people would both find it interesting to see Blizzard represented and see the costumes. Why was this closed? | ||
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Oh and "I go to my homepage of yahoo and see a fucking adjutant, I thought maybe people might care on the Starcraft community site" probably didn't help either. My thoughts, I guess motbob might have other reasons. | ||
Darclite
United States1021 Posts
On October 24 2011 13:35 Probulous wrote: I suspect because it doesn't really add anything. I mean the only thing there that is remotely related to SC2 General (where you posted the link) was the single adjutant costume. Now granted that is an awesome costume but that hardly seems enough content to warrant a thread. Especially since you didn't really add anything else to the OP. My thoughts, I guess motbob might have other reasons. Thanks a lot for the explanation. On October 24 2011 13:35 Probulous wrote: Oh and "I go to my homepage of yahoo and see a fucking adjutant, I thought maybe people might care on the Starcraft community site" probably didn't help either. Regarding that line, I got annoyed that the person was being a bit condescending, saying "Do you really lose your mind and consider posting every time a gaming-centric site writes about anything related to Starcraft?" when A) I've never done anything like that before. B) I genuinely expected a positive reaction. C) I didn't check Yahoo games for it, it was just right there on Yahoo, front page, first link. I don't know if that article comes randomly from all their stuff, but I figured they probably chose to put it there. D) The adjutant was pretty awesome lol. And if it wasn't sc2 related enough, I figured it would be moved to the general forum. | ||
Gyro_SC2
Canada540 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278902 We are talking about the possibility of the new unit of HOTS the replicant to be a counter to BIOstyle ? The mood said: baseless conjecture. (????) This unit is totally new, how can we be totaly sure. We are using all the knowledge blizzard give us about this unit! That's why it's completly normal all the statements in this thread are hypothetic. | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
On October 24 2011 12:59 Darclite wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278747 I'm just curious, as I only linked it because I figured people would both find it interesting to see Blizzard represented and see the costumes. Why was this closed? Oh, I made a big mistake here. Not in closing your thread, but in leaving a joke instead of a real reason. I apologize. The reason I closed the thread was that it was a link to a bunch of Blizzcon costumes, which doesn't really belong in SC2 General under any circumstances, even if it was on Yahoo. On October 25 2011 07:05 Gyro_SC2 wrote: Why my thread was closed ? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=278902 We are talking about the possibility of the new unit of HOTS the replicant to be a counter to BIOstyle ? The mood said: baseless conjecture. (????) This unit is totally new, how can we be totaly sure. We are using all the knowledge blizzard give us about this unit! That's why it's completly normal all the statements in this thread are hypothetic. These threads aren't that productive because the way the unit works will probably be completely different by the time the beta, let alone the retail game, hits. A thread on the basic function of the Swarm Host is probably OK because that basic function probably isn't going to change. A thread on a specific aspect of the Replicator (skill copying) is probably not OK, since that aspect might be changed or nerfed by Blizzard before beta hits. | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Not sure why this was closed? Is it because it lacked overall content or because he isn't eligible for a AMA topic? Sudden crackdown on AMA? | ||
blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
On October 25 2011 15:54 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279050 Not sure why this was closed? Is it because it lacked overall content or because he isn't eligible for a AMA topic? Sudden crackdown on AMA? and am now represented by the best unit in the entire game! Science Vessel? rofl, ever heard of the scout? Scouts rip SV's apart. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On October 25 2011 15:54 Torte de Lini wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279050 Not sure why this was closed? Is it because it lacked overall content or because he isn't eligible for a AMA topic? Sudden crackdown on AMA? Isn't eligible for AMA. | ||
tommywaaf
United States127 Posts
Why was it closed? This is what i got: "Stop making threads about your LAN center's name. This is not the kind of thing that should be on TL. Also if your threads are getting closed please don't keep reopening them." I made 1 and it was a 1 liner, so it was closed. So i figured if i opened up another thread and typed a paragraph it wouldnt be closed. Then it was and i got that | ||
bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On October 26 2011 04:59 tommywaaf wrote: I opened a thread in General Discussion asking teamliquid for name suggestions for a LAN im starting up to have starcraft 2 tournaments since teamliquid is a creative community. Since its starcraft related and will help esports and is a LAN. i thought general was a good spot. It was closed and i was warned saying things about my LAN shouldnt be on teamliquid. I had like 10 responses in 5 min so people on Teamliquid seemed to want to help... Why was it closed? This is what i got: "Stop making threads about your LAN center's name. This is not the kind of thing that should be on TL. Also if your threads are getting closed please don't keep reopening them." I made 1 and it was a 1 liner, so it was closed. So i figured if i opened up another thread and typed a paragraph it wouldnt be closed. Then it was and i got that Why do people lie? You made four threads. You put zero effort into any of them. Further, it's not our job to name your LAN center. Stop making threads about it. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
On October 26 2011 05:19 Chill wrote: Why do people lie? You made four threads. You put zero effort into any of them. Further, it's not our job to name your LAN center. Stop making threads about it. I count 4 closed threads as well. Threads are supposed to contain thoughtful discussion, not people throwing out names for a LAN center. I might as well as for suggestions for what my battle.net name should be | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279643 It was closed with motivation "Poll thread. No one cares what anyone else posts, so it becomes fluffy. Theres way too many people on TL to have any sort of unified opinion. Some people will change, some wont but theres no real conclusions to be drawn." I agree that poll threads like this one tend to not really be involved discussion, but rather people saying what they voted. Nonetheless, I feel that it should be possible to pull useful information from TLs large userbase, and in this case I dont really agree with the statement that there is no conclusion to be drawn: the poll showed that people will switch to zerg in HotS. You can go "i couldve told you that before", but i find it important, and worthy of a thread, to confirm our intuition. Otherwise we are no more than theory-crafters. ![]() The main reason im posting here is that I spent some time compiling the results of the poll just before it was closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12064616 and I feel a bit "aawwww ![]() ![]() I don't suggest reopening the thread, but I would like to open a discussion on how polls like these can be done, and the results shared, in a good way on TL. And I wouldn't mind some way to give some exposure to the result of this specific poll. More votes are not really needed any longer though. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
On October 29 2011 02:31 Cascade wrote: not my thread, but i'd like to discuss the "will you change your race in HotS" thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=279643 It was closed with motivation "Poll thread. No one cares what anyone else posts, so it becomes fluffy. Theres way too many people on TL to have any sort of unified opinion. Some people will change, some wont but theres no real conclusions to be drawn." I agree that poll threads like this one tend to not really be involved discussion, but rather people saying what they voted. Nonetheless, I feel that it should be possible to pull useful information from TLs large userbase, and in this case I dont really agree with the statement that there is no conclusion to be drawn: the poll showed that people will switch to zerg in HotS. You can go "i couldve told you that before", but i find it important, and worthy of a thread, to confirm our intuition. Otherwise we are no more than theory-crafters. ![]() The main reason im posting here is that I spent some time compiling the results of the poll just before it was closed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=12064616 and I feel a bit "aawwww ![]() ![]() I don't suggest reopening the thread, but I would like to open a discussion on how polls like these can be done, and the results shared, in a good way on TL. And I wouldn't mind some way to give some exposure to the result of this specific poll. More votes are not really needed any longer though. Based on the poll, I count 121 people switching to zerg and 46 people switching away from zerg. As another example,41 people are switching to protoss, I can now conclude that people will switch to protoss in HotS. People switching to zerg is hardly a conclusion here as we all know there will be people who switch races. I'm curious to see what kind of results you were compiling besides the numbers of each poll option | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I feel that it should be possible to pull useful information from TLs large userbase, What kind of useful information? | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
apart from trends in which races people are switching between, here are some thing from the top of my head: - do you think that this new hots unit look cool? - Do you have problems vs this strategy in bronze, gold, diamond? - Did you like this new thing they did at the last tournament? - Did you like they style of that commentator? - Are you scared for the future of the economy? - etc Ofc it interesting to see what TL thinks, and to avoid the "vocal minority" effect a little bit, it can be useful to have polls rather than just see what people write in the replies. | ||
Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280447 Empyrean commented that I should "Browse the tech support forum", which I initially did and again after he (she?) commented. But I found many different threads pertaining to people with specific rigs with specific changes they would like to make within a personally specific set of conditions. There was no thread that I could see containing the guide for a system that was built from the ground up to support Starcraft 2 in such a way as to handle its complete range of functions in the most stable and optimized way. In a sense it would be a kind of objective build that anyone could look to and for ideally the lowest possible cost, obtain a machine that was designed to handle the complete range of SC2's needs. Not a dream machine supercomputer, but a standardized rig. The cost of which obviously goes down over time as parts get older, but never less provides the peak hardware experience for SC2 with anymore just being "extra". Having a Standard Rig I thought would be helpful to a lot of new people who aren't techy or are coming from the convenience of consoles. A fun creative project with a helpful outcome. If there is a logistical problem that I am not aware of, then I apologize and withdraw my request for re-opening. Otherwise I am not 100% of the reasoning behind the closing. | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On October 29 2011 17:14 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I was curious as to the specific reason why my thread was closed. Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280447 Empyrean commented that I should "Browse the tech support forum", which I initially did and again after he (she?) commented. But I found many different threads pertaining to people with specific rigs with specific changes they would like to make within a personally specific set of conditions. There was no thread that I could see containing the guide for a system that was built from the ground up to support Starcraft 2 in such a way as to handle its complete range of functions in the most stable and optimized way. In a sense it would be a kind of objective build that anyone could look to and for ideally the lowest possible cost, obtain a machine that was designed to handle the complete range of SC2's needs. Not a dream machine supercomputer, but a standardized rig. The cost of which obviously goes down over time as parts get older, but never less provides the peak hardware experience for SC2 with anymore just being "extra". Having a Standard Rig I thought would be helpful to a lot of new people who aren't techy or are coming from the convenience of consoles. A fun creative project with a helpful outcome. If there is a logistical problem that I am not aware of, then I apologize and withdraw my request for re-opening. Otherwise I am not 100% of the reasoning behind the closing. I think it's hard to define what you mean with "standard sc2 rig". Would that be a rig that can run a 200/200 1on1 battle in 40 frames per second with highest graphics settings? Are you fine with 20 frames? Is it ok if you cant run everything on ultra? What about 4on4? You want a cpu that can handle 8x 200/200 a move battles at 30 FPS? And that is not even talking about things like acceptable noise levels on the fan and gpu and other things. (edit: not to mention your budget!) Depending on how you answer those questions, you would get very different rigs. My point is that there is no objective correct answer to those questions, and whichever requirements you would set, the thread would be no different than "help me build a computer that can run sc2 with these requirements". Which there are plenty of (I assume) and is not very helpful for others, because they will probably have different requirements. | ||
youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On October 29 2011 17:14 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: I was curious as to the specific reason why my thread was closed. Thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280447 Empyrean commented that I should "Browse the tech support forum", which I initially did and again after he (she?) commented. But I found many different threads pertaining to people with specific rigs with specific changes they would like to make within a personally specific set of conditions. There was no thread that I could see containing the guide for a system that was built from the ground up to support Starcraft 2 in such a way as to handle its complete range of functions in the most stable and optimized way. In a sense it would be a kind of objective build that anyone could look to and for ideally the lowest possible cost, obtain a machine that was designed to handle the complete range of SC2's needs. Not a dream machine supercomputer, but a standardized rig. The cost of which obviously goes down over time as parts get older, but never less provides the peak hardware experience for SC2 with anymore just being "extra". Having a Standard Rig I thought would be helpful to a lot of new people who aren't techy or are coming from the convenience of consoles. A fun creative project with a helpful outcome. If there is a logistical problem that I am not aware of, then I apologize and withdraw my request for re-opening. Otherwise I am not 100% of the reasoning behind the closing. That's because the standard rig in everyone else's thread will apply 100% to you. SC2 is not a computer intensive game. Also there's a HUGE resource thread for people like you. | ||
picklezz
10 Posts
But this was a discussion generating much contrasting points of view, with many people interested in it. (they said so). Pretty annoying that it was closed without any reasoning behind it. this is the link to the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294479 Seems rather unreasonable that it was closed | ||
kingcoyote
United States546 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:24 picklezz wrote: Hi guys, I know the forum is busy and you want to keep it clear... But this was a discussion generating much contrasting points of view, with many people interested in it. (they said so). Pretty annoying that it was closed without any reasoning behind it. this is the link to the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294479 Seems rather unreasonable that it was closed I believe that was closed because this community has a general policy of taking action rather than talking. For instance, rather than saying "I'd like to see this", they would prefer you work behind the scenes to make it happen. Contact GM players, find some lower league players, find a commentator (or do it yourself) and then say "I did this!" and have people discuss what happened. I've seen a few other threads closed for this reason, so I assume the same happened here. But I'm not KwarK and can't say for sure. | ||
Rodimus Prime
182 Posts
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On December 14 2011 11:24 picklezz wrote: Hi guys, I know the forum is busy and you want to keep it clear... But this was a discussion generating much contrasting points of view, with many people interested in it. (they said so). Pretty annoying that it was closed without any reasoning behind it. this is the link to the thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294479 Seems rather unreasonable that it was closed General forum is for big general topics of general interest. Looking at it now we've got Anime Discussion, [TV] Dexter, some crap about death row, more crap about korean skyscrapers, the kind of stuff that random people may want to discuss. Now, your topic provided no content and was basically you saying "hey guys, who would win in a fight between X and Y, ps charity may be involved somehow in a purely hypothetical way". This is a topic often discussed by 8 year olds, generally on subjects such as a t-rex and some guys from the film 300. It wasn't based on any real situation, big question, important subject or anything else. It was just some thought that occurred to you that you had a desperate urge to post in our general forum. The only possibly relevant aspect of it was that you picked starcraft 2 as the subject which would make it relevant to a different subforum to the one you put it in. So, to sum up. It was shit. It had no content, either intellectual or debatewise It was in the wrong forum (although if it was in SC2 it'd still be shit) Maybe you're 8? | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
On December 14 2011 17:35 Rodimus Prime wrote: ![]() Here is the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294447 The title said Sexual Health, but the OPis a personal help thread regarding erectile dysfunction and anal sex, which if anything should have been in your blog. While there is the odd decent post in the thread, most of it turned out to be complete crap, which is enough reason to close it. | ||
Risen
United States7927 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295264 I'm pretty confused by the closure of this thread. To me, it seems like if the OP had simply changed his thread title to "My response to general criticism of Naniwa" and thrown in a few random quotes supporting Gom's decision from other people it would have been fine. The post was fantastic and the OP put a lot of effort into it. I've PMd him to look at this thread for whether he can reopen it with a changed title and a little more content that isn't a direct response to EGAlex (Although this seems unnecessary to me since EGAlex has done a good job summarizing the majority opinion for those who are pro-Gom decision, perhaps it is important for the site's integrity) Edit: I somehow didn't comprehend Nazgul's post that he shouldn't have a direct reply outside of the thread. Question still stands, though. Could he simply change the title and throw in a response to some other netizens? | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
EGAlex replied to him and then he had another reply to EGAlex, so it all worked out in the end. He also opened this up in his reply to EGAlex. On December 15 2011 23:29 kmpow wrote: Firstly, my first post was something I seldom do, a long rant. I wanted to save it as a blog post. However, I misunderstood that TL uses blog as synonym to forum post. I wished to save my own post in a personal blog, not as a new discussion thread. The “blog post” is locked and might as well be deleted since I was confused by the structure of TL and apologize for clogging the forums. It was probably closed because I am sure the TL mods and staff do not want the forums to become a @soandso's thread haven. Also Chill usually closes them because people's opinions are not better than everyone elses for the most part and shouldn't open their own thread so it is read, while other people have to follow the original thread and discuss their opinions in there. | ||
kmpow
Sweden15 Posts
On December 16 2011 03:52 Risen wrote: Not my thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295264 I'm pretty confused by the closure of this thread. To me, it seems like if the OP had simply changed his thread title to "My response to general criticism of Naniwa" and thrown in a few random quotes supporting Gom's decision from other people it would have been fine. The post was fantastic and the OP put a lot of effort into it+ Show Spoiler + . I've PMd him to look at this thread for whether he can reopen it with a changed title and a little more content that isn't a direct response to EGAlex (Although this seems unnecessary to me since EGAlex has done a good job summarizing the majority opinion for those who are pro-Gom decision, perhaps it is important for the site's integrity) Edit: I somehow didn't comprehend Nazgul's post that he shouldn't have a direct reply outside of the thread. Question still stands, though. Could he simply change the title and throw in a response to some other netizens? Thanks for the support, but as stated in here, I actually thought that the blog section was for blogs and not treated as a forum. The general idea might be this intent but in consideration of the current shit storm of events same practice was applied. Your concern made my day, truly impressed that someone actually looks over this stuff. So thank you! I have my posts in offline format, so I can upload this to another site or at a later time. Once again, thank you and keep make TL a better place. Sincerely, Kim | ||
gds
Iceland1391 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295809 "no worth of a thread" for a major topic like that? I dont understand. | ||
jsemmens
United States439 Posts
Thank you for listening to my two cents. | ||
Endymion
United States3701 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=297888 | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
On December 25 2011 17:52 jsemmens wrote: I just wanted to mention that I thought the rules on OPs should maybe have been bent a little bit for [Giveaway] Signed progamer stuff / D3 key. I am aware that self-promotion is discouraged on this website, but I felt that, since Moletrap has been a long time contributor to the Starcraft community since the Brood War days, he ought to have been given more latitude, especially since he's going out of his way to buy and send stuff to members of the community (and it's not like he's been making lots of money off his youtube account or stream either). Thank you for listening to my two cents. Yeah, I felt bad about closing this thread, but it doesn't change the fact that twitter/youtube/facebook promotions like that are always always always sponsored-thread material. Even a TL staff member once posted a promotion like that and he was asked not to do it in the future. | ||
picklezz
10 Posts
On December 14 2011 19:20 KwarK wrote: General forum is for big general topics of general interest. Looking at it now we've got Anime Discussion, [TV] Dexter, some crap about death row, more crap about korean skyscrapers, the kind of stuff that random people may want to discuss. Now, your topic provided no content and was basically you saying "hey guys, who would win in a fight between X and Y, ps charity may be involved somehow in a purely hypothetical way". This is a topic often discussed by 8 year olds, generally on subjects such as a t-rex and some guys from the film 300. It wasn't based on any real situation, big question, important subject or anything else. It was just some thought that occurred to you that you had a desperate urge to post in our general forum. The only possibly relevant aspect of it was that you picked starcraft 2 as the subject which would make it relevant to a different subforum to the one you put it in. So, to sum up. It was shit. It had no content, either intellectual or debatewise It was in the wrong forum (although if it was in SC2 it'd still be shit) Maybe you're 8? Been away for a couple of weeks and come back to this... shit... I ask a valid question that generates alot of interest and for whatever reason you decide to close it, fine... I ask for an explanation and you insult me... And your a moderator? Lame as fuck dude. | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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picklezz
10 Posts
I had a genuine curiousity about the levelling system in starcraft 2, and thought it would be an interesting scenario to play out, in which almost every poster who replied agreed with me, which generated much debate and interest. Ok... So maybe its the wrong sub forum... Ok, maybe it's not appropriate for the starcraft 2 general forum... But to say its like an 8 year old comparing T rex to... whoever...That was a valid point to make? You really think so? Ironic that he calls me the 8 year old.. Worst moderator on a forum ever. User was banned for this post. | ||
JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On January 01 2012 10:46 picklezz wrote: Bullshit. I had a genuine curiousity about the levelling system in starcraft 2, and thought it would be an interesting scenario to play out, in which almost every poster who replied agreed with me, which generated much debate and interest. Ok... So maybe its the wrong sub forum... Ok, maybe it's not appropriate for the starcraft 2 general forum... But to say its like an 8 year old comparing T rex to... whoever...That was a valid point to make? You really think so? Ironic that he calls me the 8 year old.. Worst moderator on a forum ever. Okay, so maybe you're not an eight year old. I've heard plenty of stoners have purely hypothetical conversations. Yeah, who cares about facts, it could happen man. A better way to approach the topic rather than using hypothetical situations would be to go on bnet, join channels and find said players. Arrange a match. If it's entertaining or the results surprise you, replicate the results through a streamed event, youtube etc. Show a sponsor the interest it garners or the community in general how fun these games are to watch. Then host your said charity event. It is a shitload easier to sit on your chair, bong in hand discussing pipe dreams than it is to put in the effort and get it done. I'm lazy so I'll leave it to you to see your dream come true. Until then, it's a hypothetical situation that belongs in a phil101 course or somewhere in a hazy room in Vancouver. | ||
BennySEA
Australia20 Posts
I spent time writing my post and I wanted to hear other people's jokes/puns. I would never have expected my thread to be closed. | ||
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HackBenjamin
Canada1094 Posts
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SockArms
United States591 Posts
not the OP but if you simply look at the poll you can see that a fair number of people agree with the OP and its a topic that should be discussed so GOM can have better feedback and in all honesty thats not going to happen as well on the GOM forum Also the reason given was Don't open a thread based on percentage estimates further based on stuff your roommates told you. by Chill when the community results were favoring that his argument was true poll results as of closure Poll: Do you think English casts should focus more on in-depth analysis? yes 196 83% no 39 17% | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
So there is a thread that doesn't hurt anybody, is enjoyed by many (view post rate) and doesn't get over the top and it is just closed!? and the mod who closes it just writes: Harem: "[...] bad and unfunny threads where people just keep listing stuff" unfunny is highly subjective - taken into account the rapid growth of answers and people joining the fun it can't be that unfunny. "where people just keep listing stuff" - that was the point to have fun together? how can you not join without "listing stuff"? So I am shocked how Mods can close a thread just because of their personal opinion O_O I'm sure other mods find this subjectively funny. Plz re-open it for those who enjoy :/ or move it to blogs maybe? plz tell me how Harem can close this just because he thinks it's unfunny Quotes from people: 10/10 would read again XD so le funny Lol not bad. 8 out of 10 stars i found this thread more interesting than the actual team ones haha well played sir! Haha, I woke up to this, nicely done Very clever lol 9 out of 10 I lol'd, xD lol'ed so hard great thread, though LOL Hahah, so good. 8/10 nicely done lololol ![]() | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On January 28 2012 01:17 Leviance wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306566 So there is a thread that doesn't hurt anybody, is enjoyed by many (view post rate) and doesn't get over the top and it is just closed!? and the mod who closes it just writes: Harem: "[...] bad and unfunny threads where people just keep listing stuff" unfunny is highly subjective - taken into account the rapid growth of answers and people joining the fun it can't be that unfunny. "where people just keep listing stuff" - that was the point to have fun together? how can you not join without "listing stuff"? So I am shocked how Mods can close a thread just because of their personal opinion O_O I'm sure other mods find this subjectively funny. Plz re-open it for those who enjoy :/ or move it to blogs maybe? plz tell me how Harem can close this just because he thinks it's unfunny Quotes from people: 10/10 would read again XD so le funny Lol not bad. 8 out of 10 stars i found this thread more interesting than the actual team ones haha well played sir! Haha, I woke up to this, nicely done Very clever lol 9 out of 10 I lol'd, xD lol'ed so hard great thread, though LOL Hahah, so good. 8/10 nicely done lololol ![]() Generally, threads where people just list mindless jokes that doesn't promote thoughtful discussion are not encouraged. Some older ones have stayed alive, but mods likely don't really want the forums to be cluttered with things like this. | ||
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Germany4079 Posts
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Err... so why are other threads like the "post a pic of you and your boy/girlfriend" and "SFW pictures" allowed? I feel they have, comparatively, the same value. (OFC I'm not advocating closing them in anyway, cept the former does make me feel FOREVER ALOOONE T_T) | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 31 2012 17:27 zatic wrote: Most of us feel they have more value though, that's why they stay open. YOU MEAN TEH MODZORS? ZOMG ABUSE OF MOD POWAZ LIEK ITS FUNNY PICS FROM INTERWEBZ, NOT EVEN WITTINESS OF POSTER, SO IMO NO VALUE WTFUDGE. Jk. Fair enough. ![]() | ||
Archas
United States6531 Posts
Chill said he closed the thread because it had a bad OP. However, I talked with the person who posted it, and from what he tells me, the information is fairly reliable. Might I receive an elaboration as to what caused the thread to be locked? What was it lacking? | ||
bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On February 11 2012 01:44 Aeres wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=310620 Chill said he closed the thread because it had a bad OP. However, I talked with the person who posted it, and from what he tells me, the information is fairly reliable. Might I receive an elaboration as to what caused the thread to be locked? What was it lacking? If you read the rest of the thread, the assumption of the original post does not necessarily follow from the information presented in the conference call. | ||
Archas
United States6531 Posts
On February 11 2012 01:46 bonifaceviii wrote: If you read the rest of the thread, the assumption of the original post does not necessarily follow from the information presented in the conference call. For people confused about the call... Diablo 3 has been confirmed for this year, aiming for a Q2 release. Of the remaining two titles, Mists of Pandaria will either come out this year or Blizzard will lose millions more WoW players. Anyone who has played WoW before knows it's simply not possible to run the same raid for over a year (which is what would happen if Mists of Pandaria isn't released in Q2/Q3 of this year). So yes, while they don't specifically say "HOTS won't be out this year" it's very obvious that HOTS is the third wheel here. It could be released in 2012 but as of today they don't anticipate it. This, and some other stuff he's told me via PMs. Maybe I'm just not seeing it, but it feels to be (as of the conference call) reasonably accurate. | ||
Azzur
Australia6255 Posts
I thought it was a reasonable opinion | ||
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motbob
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United States12546 Posts
Not everyone on TL is granted that option. Normally posts like that should go in the thread where these issues are being discussed. | ||
dynwar7
1983 Posts
That is the original topic I created. A bit upset, to find out Zatic has closed it. I have said many times there that it was not a balance thread. I simply wanted to see different people's reactions. That is all. Why is it that when a topic is not the highest and highest of standards, it gets closed? I know TL has standards and high quality, but what is wrong with my thread? If it was a balance discussion/whine thread, please, feel free to close it and ban me. However - it was not. It was to see the varieties many different Terrans face fighting Protoss. Some struggled with bio, some mech. What is wrong with this? I apologize for making a worthless and stupid thread, then. I seriously cannot see the bad in that. Let me say again it was not a balance thread. I wanted to see different people's reactions. If this keeps going I am sure not many will want to post on TL. Please, I am open to criticism. I would love to hear why it was closed. Thank you. This was copy pasted from other subforum. I just wanted to post this here. No matter what zatic wont change his mind right? Edit: And if you think the thread should be closed, how come no other mods closed it? Are you most active on the strategy forum? If I remember correctly the mods in strategy section are very active, yet they never closed my thread....? | ||
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zatic
Zurich15314 Posts
As I have told you in PM, even if that wasn't the case, a thread "TvP in general" is way too generic to allow meaningful strategic discussion. Yes, I am probably the most active mod in the Strategy section. | ||
dynwar7
1983 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312599 Just some different usage of title, wording, etc. Essentially very similar to mine. | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
Your post is 50% concealed balance whine and 50% "general discussion about TvP" which incites everyone to a) concur with you/argue with you on the balance issue or b) post whatever they want because the topic isn't specific in any way. Besides, what's the point in opening a discussion about the problem ("why is TvP so hard") when it would be really useful to ask for specific advice ("What do I do against composition X/playstyle Y in TvP"). The first results in everyone complaining, the second one usually provides productive results. Threads along the lines of "X is bad" / "Y is hard" / "Z should be changed" are frowned upon for that exact reason. If you want a thread like this to stay open, you need to put real effort into it. Example. | ||
dynwar7
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actionbastrd
Congo598 Posts
On February 17 2012 14:31 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: Lol, so you think I did not put any efforts into that thread? Ok lol Did you look at the link he provided as an example of a thread with effort that would stay open? Because if you did you would realize that in fact you didnt put that much effort in - in comparison at least. Balance whine threads are so annoying, its a good thing they get closed. | ||
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On February 17 2012 14:31 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: Lol, so you think I did not put any efforts into that thread? Ok lol While him making a statement about effort isn't appropriate, I do agree with everything else he said. Your thread was phrased in such a way to incite balance discussion whereas the one you link was "i've gone mech vs zerg, how do I beat broodlords?" which is perfectly legitimate. | ||
Sergov
Australia62 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=317094 Did i do something wrong by not streaming my news thru my twitch.tv account? Im not affiliated with anyone at the moment except the fact i am part of Eve Uni on Eve online and when i play starcraft II i like to spend my time between matches conversing with other gaming enthusiasts on the Team Liquid public channel and teamspeak. If there is something i've not done yet or forgotten to do please tell me :| and is there a way i can become a team liquid caster instead of being independant like i am at the moment? the reason i uploaded this to youtube as my ISP currently cannot support 1080p live streaming or 720p for that matter is there a portal for TL members to upload video content or is what im doing deemed outside of the envelope in that regards. | ||
Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
On March 02 2012 16:20 5thdiv_gaming wrote: This isnt asking for an unlock http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=317094 Did i do something wrong by not streaming my news thru my twitch.tv account? Im not affiliated with anyone at the moment except the fact i am part of Eve Uni on Eve online and when i play starcraft II i like to spend my time between matches conversing with other gaming enthusiasts on the Team Liquid public channel and teamspeak. If there is something i've not done yet or forgotten to do please tell me :| and is there a way i can become a team liquid caster instead of being independant like i am at the moment? the reason i uploaded this to youtube as my ISP currently cannot support 1080p live streaming or 720p for that matter is there a portal for TL members to upload video content or is what im doing deemed outside of the envelope in that regards. If you're not asking for an unlock or the reasons for a lock, then this is the wrong place to ask. Also, I'm not really sure what your actual question is as your post seems a bit ... off. Afaik there are no such things as "team liquid casters". If you're referring to streaming on / via TL, then you have to set up a stream with a site of your choice (Twitch is one example) and create a thread for your stream here on TL (General SC2 forum, I think, but not sure there as I'm not streaming myself. This is for StarCraft streams, obviously. Should you mainly stream non-SC related content then I'm not sure you'll get your stream running here on TL without issues). Should you want to stream regardless of your ISP's limits then 480 should be alright too, as long as the content is fine. Just give it a try. As for the "TL member video portal", there's no such thing. Doesn't mean you can't do your thing with recorded videos on Youtube or elsewhere, though. Set up a thread (or better: a blog for the start), explain what you want to do and then just fire away. Just don't present it the way you did in that initial post as that's against the guidelines. | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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Sergov
Australia62 Posts
, Yes i am a registered caster yes i would like to know why it was locked most of my footage so far has been an even spread across several games LoL EvE Online iRacing and Starcraft II where as this was my second serious attempt at uploading stuff to youtube for 1080p and really desired feedback from the gaming community at large including starcraft II players | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 02 2012 23:27 5thdiv_gaming wrote: also to be fair it wasn't my first blog on team liquid i also did a blog covering an SC2 patch before i had the equipment to cast so it was a bit of a wall of text that i tried to make interesting , Yes i am a registered caster yes i would like to know why it was locked most of my footage so far has been an even spread across several games LoL EvE Online iRacing and Starcraft II where as this was my second serious attempt at uploading stuff to youtube for 1080p and really desired feedback from the gaming community at large including starcraft II players I'm not a mod, but it appears to me your posts are most clearly primarily self promotion, which is not permitted on teamliquid. Posts on teamliquid must be deemed to be overall good for the forum, site, and community, which your post didn't really do. Your ID is your site and your video has nothing to do with SC/SC2, and is literally just a plea for attention. Promoting your own videos and events would be better suited for http://reddit.com/r/starcraft . | ||
Sergov
Australia62 Posts
a) read my post before i submit b) dont just read through all the interesting forum stuff without trying to leave something constructive for the community to debate/discuss and c)keep all non sc2 related content to myself in regards to Team-Liquid forums is there the possibilty at getting my name converted to my player tag or a varient of, i ran with the 5th div title on a whim and would really prefer to be just like everyone else... or would i be better of starting a fresh forum account so as not to make things difficult | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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ma5ta
United States46 Posts
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Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317417¤tpage=12 | ||
BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
On March 04 2012 06:17 Eee wrote: Why was my thread closed? ;P http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317417¤tpage=12 Thread sort of derailed from the looks of it, perhaps the OP was a little bit too inflammatory I am no mod though, there was just a lot of silliness in there, looked a little bit like bnet 0.o | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 04 2012 06:17 Eee wrote: Why was my thread closed? ;P http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=317417¤tpage=12 I thought it was a good thread with some good discussion, it just got derailed pretty hard. also maybe pick a less sensational title. | ||
Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 04 2012 18:36 Dodgin wrote: I thought it was a good thread with some good discussion, it just got derailed pretty hard. also maybe pick a less sensational title. So when/if I release a part 2 it has to be with a different title? | ||
Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On March 05 2012 01:17 Eee wrote: So when/if I release a part 2 it has to be with a different title? I don't know - I'm not a mod, obviously. I just think they don't like sensational titles like " are we killing esports? " in sc2 general, if you made a blog this time I'm sure you can name it whatever you want. | ||
Eee
Sweden2712 Posts
On March 05 2012 01:43 Dodgin wrote: I don't know - I'm not a mod, obviously. I just think they don't like sensational titles like " are we killing esports? " in sc2 general, if you made a blog this time I'm sure you can name it whatever you want. lol, you're not a mod. >.< I talked to a mod earlier yesterday and he didnt really mind anything. He said that the title was slightly provoctive but the content was all good and whatever. Then like 6 hours later the thread is locked and someone has removed all of Tylers posts. So mods, why did my thread get locked? <.< | ||
Geiko
France1939 Posts
This thread was closed because it didn'trespect strat forum guidelines. However, NrGmonk had taken some time to give very good and very detailed answers to some of the clueless posters in the thread. Since then, I think the thread had a lot more value and would definitely deserved to be read by those wondering about Robo vs Stargate PvP. I guess I find it a bit sad that no one will read such good answers just because the OP is terrible. Wouldn't it be acceptable to leave it open even though the OP is lacking ? | ||
Abort Retry Fail
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BlackJack
United States10259 Posts
I'd like to request this topic be re-opened. The topic is still a hot topic in the news media and social media and new details are still coming out that are fresh topics for discussion. I just came there to post a new article with newly obtained information when I realized it was closed. A lot of people have invested a lot in the discussion, for example the entire OP was just redone a couple days ago that included all the facts which involved a ton of research. Eventually we will have a close to the investigation and maybe a trial, or maybe even riots in the street, and I'm certain people will be interested in talking about that as well. Finally, I believe the topic hadn't really been derailed. One guy made a bad post and he was banned for it. These things happen from time to time and I think it's better to deal with them with bans instead of locking threads. | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On March 27 2012 17:44 BlackJack wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=322664 I'd like to request this topic be re-opened. The topic is still a hot topic in the news media and social media and new details are still coming out that are fresh topics for discussion. I just came there to post a new article with newly obtained information when I realized it was closed. A lot of people have invested a lot in the discussion, for example the entire OP was just redone a couple days ago that included all the facts which involved a ton of research. Eventually we will have a close to the investigation and maybe a trial, or maybe even riots in the street, and I'm certain people will be interested in talking about that as well. Finally, I believe the topic hadn't really been derailed. One guy made a bad post and he was banned for it. These things happen from time to time and I think it's better to deal with them with bans instead of locking threads. The thread was circular and bitter, there were so many bad posts that it felt hypocritical to moderate anyone at all. However after internal discussion we agreed that if someone wanted to open a new thread with the new information, he would be allowed to open a new thread. I believe dAPhREAk is currently in the process of writing a new op and will be opening a new thread shortly. Hopefully this one will be less poisonous. EDIT: here it is | ||
Gnial
Canada907 Posts
The thread was closed because I put a [G] in the title and the closer thought that a [G] was inappropriate. I have a few questions about that. 1. Why is a [G] inappropriate in this instance? The thread is certainly not a [H], [L] or [Q] thread, which leaves only [G] and [D]. The point of the thread was less about discussing - rather, it was to show people something that they hadn't seen before - so it is not [D]. If it is not [G], then what is it supposed to be? 2. Could we not just change the title instead of closing it? | ||
Azzur
Australia6255 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:09 Gnial wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324528 The thread was closed because I put a [G] in the title and the closer thought that a [G] was inappropriate. I have a few questions about that. 1. Why is a [G] inappropriate in this instance? The thread is certainly not a [H], [L] or [Q] thread, which leaves only [G] and [D]. The point of the thread was less about discussing - rather, it was to show people something that they hadn't seen before - so it is not [D]. If it is not [G], then what is it supposed to be? 2. Could we not just change the title instead of closing it? Your thread contained what you stated as facts e.g. "superior creep spreading" and you called out pros (e.g. Idra/Nestea) to have "inferior creep spreading" when in reality, it is just your own personal explanation. You have 0 practical top-level field experience results from your technique. If you had convinced a top pro (e.g. DRG) to use it and they say it's better then your title + post would be justified. However, you only had reasonings and nothing else. If your title + post had been something like: hey, I've got this interesting creep spreading idea, what do you think about it? Then it would be fine. Right now, simply renaming your thread to a [D] is insufficient - you would need to redo your post to reflect that's just a discussion rather than fact. | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
Pandemik stated it clearly: On March 30 2012 13:04 p4NDemik wrote: This falls far short of the standards for strategy guides on TL. You jump to far too many conclusions and you do very little analysis to prove your hypothesis. He's saying if it were a guide, you need more substance and evidence. But I doubt the thread would be left open carrying another tag. | ||
Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On March 31 2012 01:09 Gnial wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=324528 The thread was closed because I put a [G] in the title and the closer thought that a [G] was inappropriate. I have a few questions about that. 1. Why is a [G] inappropriate in this instance? The thread is certainly not a [H], [L] or [Q] thread, which leaves only [G] and [D]. The point of the thread was less about discussing - rather, it was to show people something that they hadn't seen before - so it is not [D]. If it is not [G], then what is it supposed to be? 2. Could we not just change the title instead of closing it? Because you're writing a "guide" on something that is not in fact definitively good. A discussion is better because you aren't claiming that your idea is inherently superior (which many people pointed out that you did). | ||
Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On March 31 2012 05:13 Pokebunny wrote: Because you're writing a "guide" on something that is not in fact definitively good. A discussion is better because you aren't claiming that your idea is inherently superior (which many people pointed out that you did). OK, I understand that it is supposed to be a [D]. Can we just make it that way? Or is it really necessary to start a new thread? | ||
Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
On March 31 2012 12:26 Gnial wrote: OK, I understand that it is supposed to be a [D]. Can we just make it that way? Or is it really necessary to start a new thread? it's more necessary to write an op about something worthwhile to read and adapt. the concept is just....... no macro creep tumors? same thing as static defense when it is not necessary. you cannot say where a scan will happen. devoting energy to creep tumors and not spawning additional creep tumors from them is not some new ingenious tactic; it's a gamble, or a justification of laziness -.- | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
![]() It was closed with the post "Report it to blizzard" which is standard for map hacking accusations, but am I mistaken in thinking that the nature of this thread made it different to the standard "X Map hacked" thread? | ||
idonthinksobro
3138 Posts
not my thread but why was this thread closed? If it was closed because of having a bad OP, well it is a simple information thread that needs to be there for 1day and was never intended to have a discussion. | ||
Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
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Mr.Bimbles
Iceland457 Posts
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Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On April 14 2012 07:32 Mr.Bimbles wrote: thread that I made where I noticed a glitch in the ladder guide and it got locked... and what the moderator said is "use the ladder guide thanks!" and locked it? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328836 The mod meant you to post this thing into the ladder guide thread, not make a new thread about it, it was closed simply because it does not need a new thread. If there really is a glitch in the matchmaking it's up to the staff then to decide if it merits it's own thread. But based on your post you are just speculating, and one instance of this happening is hardly enough evidence to support that there is something wrong. I'm pretty sure something like this would've been noticed sooner anyway. | ||
StarcraftMan
Canada507 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327351¤tpage=14 6 day later, a member of TeamLiquid has written a program that addresses continuing a game from a replay, as a possible solution for tournament disconnects: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328785 I don't want to sound accusational, but at the risk of being banned, it appears that GMarshal is not very concerned about improving the experience of SC2 and improving the experience at SC2 tournaments. GMarshal, no offense to you - I just want a straight up answer about why my thread was closed, especially seeing that my original thread may have contributed to another TeamLiquid member making an application that directly addresses disconnects at high level tournaments within 6 days of its posting. GMarshal, do you not want to have better features in SC2 and a better experience at SC2 tournaments? Do you not care for SC2's future? | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 14 2012 15:00 StarcraftMan wrote: This thread that discusses how Blizzard can solve the problem of disconnects at major tournaments was closed by GMarshal 6 days ago: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327351¤tpage=14 6 day later, a member of TeamLiquid has written a program that addresses continuing a game from a replay, as a possible solution for tournament disconnects: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=328785 I don't want to sound accusational, but at the risk of being banned, it appears that GMarshal is not very concerned about improving the experience of SC2 and improving the experience at SC2 tournaments. GMarshal, no offense to you - I just want a straight up answer about why my thread was closed, especially seeing that my original thread may have contributed to another TeamLiquid member making an application that directly addresses disconnects at high level tournaments within 6 days of its posting. GMarshal, do you not want to have better features in SC2 and a better experience at SC2 tournaments? Do you not care for SC2's future? Holy shit @ most overly agressive complaint ever. I dont see how he could have been more clear with his close reason. Literally everybody agreed that is a good thing, what did you want to happen? Teamliquid doesnt program battlenet. Great, theres a marginal chance you inspired someone to make an unofficial program of questionable legality, but that doesnt make your thread itself any more useful. | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
You wanted to discuss improving battle.net. The poster who made the program actually made it(nothing to discuss, just a here is the program enjoy) and started a thread of his own. If you inspired them you should feel great not jaded because your thread was closed nearly a week ago when you were no closer to a solution until today. tldr: Your thread was to go around in circles about a topic that has been beaten to death. The thread posted earlier today/yesterday was a solution without having to go around in circles on a topic beaten like a dead horse. + Show Spoiler + I think it is a conspiracy, TL.net mods knew about this program but did not want you to take any credit with your thread. | ||
xelnaga_empire
621 Posts
On April 14 2012 15:10 Bibbit wrote: Holy shit @ most overly agressive complaint ever. I dont see how he could have been more clear with his close reason. Literally everybody agreed that is a good thing, what did you want to happen? Teamliquid doesnt program battlenet. Great, theres a marginal chance you inspired someone to make an unofficial program of questionable legality, but that doesnt make your thread itself any more useful. I'm going to disagree with you here. Continuing a match from a disconnect is a sorely needed feature in SC2. IMO, it's doesn't hurt to keep a post on this issue open rather than closed. If there can be a designated thread on balance, why not keep a thread open that discusses how to improve SC2? In this case, the original thread was productive, positive, and may have lead to the creation of the program that addresses disconnects. Teamliquid, as far as I know, is overwhelmingly a SC2 based community. Any topics of discussion on improving SC2 is fair game, IMO. | ||
xelnaga_empire
621 Posts
On April 14 2012 15:28 Kralic wrote: Well the difference between the threads was clear to me. You wanted to discuss improving battle.net. The poster who made the program actually made it(nothing to discuss, just a here is the program enjoy) and started a thread of his own. If you inspired them you should feel great not jaded because your thread was closed nearly a week ago when you were no closer to a solution until today. tldr: Your thread was to go around in circles about a topic that has been beaten to death. The thread posted earlier today/yesterday was a solution without having to go around in circles on a topic beaten like a dead horse. TL would become a pretty sad place if we cannot freely discuss how to improve SC2. In this case, the original thread may have actually lead to something positive for SC2 - if indeed, the program to continue from a replay was created because of the original thread. | ||
Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:00 xelnaga_empire wrote: I'm going to disagree with you here. Continuing a match from a disconnect is a sorely needed feature in SC2. IMO, it's doesn't hurt to keep a post on this issue open rather than closed. If there can be a designated thread on balance, why not keep a thread open that discusses how to improve SC2? In this case, the original thread was productive, positive, and may have lead to the creation of the program that addresses disconnects. Teamliquid, as far as I know, is overwhelmingly a SC2 based community. Any topics of discussion on improving SC2 is fair game, IMO. But that's exactly the thing. Yes its a needed feature but nobody at all disagreed with that. There was no discussion. | ||
xelnaga_empire
621 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:18 Bibbit wrote: But that's exactly the thing. Yes its a needed feature but nobody at all disagreed with that. There was no discussion. Actually, if you read the original thread, various ideas were proposed on how to solve the disconnect problem, especially after the disconnect between MKP and PartinG in the GSTL finals. There was actually a positive and productive discussion until the thread was closed. I do not know if TheSuperCow, who wrote the program that allows you to resume from a replay, read the original thread, but if TheSuperCow did read that thread, then something postive was done for the SC2 community with the release of his program. As TheSuperCow is registered at TL, a positive discussion from TL may have lead to a utility that has benefitted the SC2 community - how is that a bad thing? | ||
Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
To talk about it on Team Liquid is pretending you're being proactive, but never actually bothering to do it where it matters. There are a lot of ways to improve SC2, so why not keep it in one area where the Blizzard staff members read. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329048¤tpage=4#68 is incredibly insulting to people who believe in that stuff. I don't believe in it myself but I know the Korean culture is really into and for a mod to say people who believe in it were dropped on the head is not cool | ||
Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
Blood type studies and beliefs in Asia however are perceived as truth not only by a minortity but by a large amount of the population afaik. There it's not only stuff for weirdos like astrology is in Europe/ the USA. It's common knowledge. I'm not offended in this by any means but I'm sure there's quite a lot of people out there who are. | ||
ProteiNSheikH
South Africa49 Posts
I realize that there are a lot of superfluous threads out there and that if anyone could just post whatever they liked the site would be in absolute chaos. At the same time, I included a lot of related data/info/pics and the question I was asking is legitimate. I'm not trying to expose someone's smurf, but rather potentially bring the commuity's attention to a new top player. Any chance the decision to close the thread could be reconsidered? Cheers. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 14 2012 23:53 awu25 wrote: I just want to say that this closing reason: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=329048¤tpage=4#68 is incredibly insulting to people who believe in that stuff. I don't believe in it myself but I know the Korean culture is really into and for a mod to say people who believe in it were dropped on the head is not cool Just because Koreans are really into doesn't make them any less stupid for being so. It runs contrary to basic logic and has absolutely no scientific backing or evidence for it. Sometimes in life the guy calling you retarded isn't doing it to put you down or be mean, sometimes you might actually just be completely retarded. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 15 2012 00:43 Shana wrote: Perhaps Kwark doesn't know that blood type correlation to personality in Korea/Japan is like astrology in western world. The astrology guys are retarded too. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
On April 20 2012 17:48 ProteiNSheikH wrote: Hello, I'm the OP of the "Who is Fenrir?" thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330418 I realize that there are a lot of superfluous threads out there and that if anyone could just post whatever they liked the site would be in absolute chaos. At the same time, I included a lot of related data/info/pics and the question I was asking is legitimate. I'm not trying to expose someone's smurf, but rather potentially bring the commuity's attention to a new top player. Any chance the decision to close the thread could be reconsidered? Cheers. We've seen tons of threads about "Who is Player X" At the end of the day, it doesn't bring out any discussion, only speculation. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
What about those religious guys? I'm merely saying that people get banned for calling others retarded. I don't think it's fair that a mod is able to call a group of people retarded for simply believing in something that has no scientific backing. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 20 2012 20:49 awu25 wrote: What about those religious guys? I'm merely saying that people get banned for calling others retarded. I don't think it's fair that a mod is able to call a group of people retarded for simply believing in something that has no scientific backing. In future I'll attempt to phrase it as "they believe something that only someone who struggles to understand cause and effect would believe in". | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On April 14 2012 16:27 xelnaga_empire wrote: Actually, if you read the original thread, various ideas were proposed on how to solve the disconnect problem, especially after the disconnect between MKP and PartinG in the GSTL finals. There was actually a positive and productive discussion until the thread was closed. I do not know if TheSuperCow, who wrote the program that allows you to resume from a replay, read the original thread, but if TheSuperCow did read that thread, then something postive was done for the SC2 community with the release of his program. As TheSuperCow is registered at TL, a positive discussion from TL may have lead to a utility that has benefitted the SC2 community - how is that a bad thing? Talking never "grows ESPORTS" Almost every single development in "ESPORTS" has been done by someone who sat down and said "I'm going to do X", not someone who sat in a discussion thread arguing about it. "I'm going to make a website for BW fans" (Hi TL) "I'm going to make an anti-hack system" "I'm going to make a replay analyzer" (these all happened, *without* discussion threads, the only "upgrade" to SC2 or BW that can arguably said to have stemmed from a discussion thread is the phoenix moving shot, and that was only because the OP was beyond brilliant, not because of any arguments within the bulk of the thread) None of them stemmed from "discussion". Discussion threads are basically where people go to get the same emotional high they would from actually accomplishing something, without doing anything. Sometimes that's ok, but don't sell it as "wow, we could have done that if GMarshal didn't step on us!" Nothing would have come of that thread, and I'm going to continue to close threads where nothing is accomplished but circular discussion and mutual praise. Here is how the thread would have gone OP: "Wow, we need a game resumer, blizzard sucks!" Everyone else: "Yeah, Blizzard or someone should do something! We want this!" Nothing good and no relevant discussion would have come of it. I doubt almost anyone on this forum understands enough about how SC2 works to make the program that TheSuperCow made, and if there are 12 of them, they would have most likely had their opinions buried in the chaff. The TL:DR, if you make something, you are entitled to a thread, pointless discussion disguised as "helping ESPORTS" is not. Finally, the comments about how I hate ESPORTS? I don't give a flying fig about "ESPORTS" I care about Starcraft (BW and 2) and watching the best players in the world deck it out, so anything that empowers them to do so is good in my mind. "ESPORTS" is the catchphrase of people who are blinded by the money in the scene, fools who don't care about SC, and people who want to appeal to "something greater" in order to move others. "ESPORTS" is a meaningless word to me, I do nothing for its sake. Starcraft was here before people started using that buzzword and as far as I am concerned it will remain long after "ESPORTS" is dead and buried. | ||
TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Honestly this is a bit of a rediculous attitude. Astrology in certain south Asian countries is generally held in high esteem, in some cases politicians and government officians even consult their astrologers before making important political decisions. It's also an important part of the Hindu religion. You can say it's all rubbish, and from the viewpoint of physical science it is. But look at it from the viewpoint of the social sciences (sociology, psychology, poli sci) and there is a very real, quantifiable impact on our world. You may not believe in Astrology, but millions (potentially billions) of people around the world do. It affects our culture, our economy, and in some cases in South Asia it potentially even affects regional geopolitical relationships. There are thousands of these systems of beliefe; be it belief in alien abductions, government conspiracies, new age medicine, etc. Just because there's no scientific evidence for them doesn't stop people from believing in them. And as long as large numbers of people do, these beliefs can have in some cases very large impacts on society and the world. This is very different than discussing some random guy who claims tesla coils can make black holes. Astrology has a quantifiable effect on society, though just not through the means that Astrologers claim. Whether or not the thread was a viable topic for motivating a constructive and productive discussion is another issue entirely. But just because physical science doesn't provide evidence for the existance of something, doesn't necessarily make it an invalid topic. | ||
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 20 2012 23:51 TheToast wrote: Honestly this is a bit of a rediculous attitude. Astrology in certain south Asian countries is generally held in high esteem, in some cases politicians and government officians even consult their astrologers before making important political decisions. It's also an important part of the Hindu religion. You can say it's all rubbish, and from the viewpoint of physical science it is. But look at it from the viewpoint of the social sciences (sociology, psychology, poli sci) and there is a very real, quantifiable impact on our world. You may not believe in Astrology, but millions (potentially billions) of people around the world do. It affects our culture, our economy, and in some cases in South Asia it potentially even affects regional geopolitical relationships. There are thousands of these systems of beliefe; be it belief in alien abductions, government conspiracies, new age medicine, etc. Just because there's no scientific evidence for them doesn't stop people from believing in them. And as long as large numbers of people do, these beliefs can have in some cases very large impacts on society and the world. This is very different than discussing some random guy who claims tesla coils can make black holes. Astrology has a quantifiable effect on society, though just not through the means that Astrologers claim. Whether or not the thread was a viable topic for motivating a constructive and productive discussion is another issue entirely. But just because physical science doesn't provide evidence for the existance of something, doesn't necessarily make it an invalid topic. While people can and do believe whatever they like that is not a structure we can really debate on teamliquid. Astrology is not only irrational and illogical but has absolutely no evidence backing it up. There is absolutely no possibility for a debate in which denial of evidence is the foundation for one side of the argument, the entire subject has no value. If you were to make a topic discussing the impact of false beliefs upon society with links to articles discussing it, background information on some of those beliefs such as blood types and astrology, evidence of when it's been significant and the like then that'd be a really interesting topic and I'd totally get behind that. Furthermore if people came in and dismissed the entire sociological aspect of it and just went "derp, no evidence" then I'd temp them for it. But that's not the topic we're talking about here, the topic I closed was "does your blood type match up to these vague applying to everyone definitions". It had no value because there's no correlation between blood type and personality. The difference between the value of the two approaches to the subject is like the difference between "does God exist?" and "what is the impact and value of a secular government in a predominantly homogeneous religious society, discuss within, here are some relevant articles and thoughts on the matter". | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
Ex: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332673 A similar thread was closed because it was a duplicate but also because it was a contentless thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332795#3 I'm hoping in the future we can try to deter people from rushing to post something cool with one line and maybe take the time to post some pictures and explain what the thread should be discussing | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 28 2012 07:21 Zealos wrote: This might not be the appropriate topic to say this: But I find kwarks words pretty offensive, and I agree with him. I find that if someone had posted a response similar to what he is saying here, then he would have been at least warned. I respect that you disagree with people who think that sorta stuff, but I think you should respect their views equally, even if you do think it's a load of bs. Not all views are equal and not all views deserve equal respect. Fortunately we have a way to tell the good ones from the bad, we call it logic. | ||
NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
Was closed by EffOrt because we had a thread similar to it almost a year ago, with a completely different replay pack. Posting a replay pack once a year with players like we did doesn't really seem like an offense by TL standards. I wasn't even able to edit the OP of our previous thread prior to the thread closure, and now that it was closed effort informed us we must use our previous thread, which is buried in time. So I up the new OP in our old thread, found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265024 It obviously gets neglected due to the state of the thread, where before we were providing a more than decent service, now no one is even seeing it. On top of that, someone informed me that after posting in our older thread after the modifications were made to it (the new replay pack was added and I updated the OP yesterday) they were banned by TL. This makes absolutely ZERO sense. Not only was our thread moved, but when our old thread was revived by myself, people get banned for posting in it. I wasn't going to do anything about this, since no administrative action will fix the problem, I spent hours compiling and formatting the replay pack of top progamers for TL and it just gets closed. You'd think a little more respect would be shown, as I haven't really done anything wrong on TL, and our team has been around for like 7 years. The whole decision didn't seem logical at all, so I guess show me the logic? Thanks ![]() | ||
Kralic
Canada2628 Posts
You already have a thread, use it please. You also can now edit OP http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=265024 This was said in the original post, they gave you the reason and made it so you could edit your original post, which you did. I am not sure why you think your old thread will not be seen if you bump it and put the information that this is the replay thread for NRG, add in your old replay packs that you orginally did and updated the OP to say Update April 29, 2012(which you did). People will keep on posting in it regardless of age if the content is current. I think the thing that is turning off most people from posting in it, is because you are linking to the other post and how it was closed. xDocHolidayx was just banned by Harem. That account was created on 2012-04-30 00:48:10 and had 2 posts. Reason: Previously banned user. Was the reason that guy got banned(he didn't even get banned in your thread). Nothing to do with your thread, just the fact he was a PBU which you should know are usually people not wanted on TL. I am not sure why you think that TL is not respecting you, if you did some research into why the user got banned you would have figured it out on your own. The moderator that closed the thread gave you clear instructions on what to do after they fixed the thread so you could edit again. I guess you feel entitled to special treatment which a lot of people are not, perhaps the current thread could have been closed due to the advertisement policy? They left it open which should show some kind of respect. Either way, just have some of your team post in it again, and then people will still see it. Don't take it too hard. | ||
NrG.NeverExpo
Canada2114 Posts
On April 30 2012 03:23 Kralic wrote: This was said in the original post, they gave you the reason and made it so you could edit your original post, which you did. I am not sure why you think your old thread will not be seen if you bump it and put the information that this is the replay thread for NRG, add in your old replay packs that you orginally did and updated the OP to say Update April 29, 2012(which you did). People will keep on posting in it regardless of age if the content is current. I think the thing that is turning off most people from posting in it, is because you are linking to the other post and how it was closed. Was the reason that guy got banned(he didn't even get banned in your thread). Nothing to do with your thread, just the fact he was a PBU which you should know are usually people not wanted on TL. I am not sure why you think that TL is not respecting you, if you did some research into why the user got banned you would have figured it out on your own. The moderator that closed the thread gave you clear instructions on what to do after they fixed the thread so you could edit again. I guess you feel entitled to special treatment which a lot of people are not, perhaps the current thread could have been closed due to the advertisement policy? They left it open which should show some kind of respect. Either way, just have some of your team post in it again, and then people will still see it. Don't take it too hard. The user who posted actually approached me saying he was banned for posting in the thread, so i apologize if he wasn't telling the truth. How the hell is posting replays advertising? You obviously don't understand that when we posted the thread, people were tweeting and retweeting about it. Then the thread gets closed and we have to completely scrap everything we've done to let people know about it. I'm not looking for special treatment, I was wondering what the purpose of taking the thread away was. Having a thread with a totally different replay pack posted 8 months ago doesn't seem like a logical reason to close the current thread. It was getting attention, then when the thread closed it disappeared. Like I said, nothing will be done about it, and nothing can fix what happened. Just really annoying having put the time into it and having it closed for ridiculous reasons. | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On April 30 2012 01:52 KwarK wrote: Not all views are equal and not all views deserve equal respect. Fortunately we have a way to tell the good ones from the bad, we call it logic. Your logic isn't the same as mine. For instance, I believe the same thing about people who believe in any kind of religion. In fact, what makes this blood stuff less likely than a magic man in the sky? | ||
Takkara
United States2503 Posts
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KwarK
United States42106 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:42 Zealos wrote: Your logic isn't the same as mine. For instance, I believe the same thing about people who believe in any kind of religion. In fact, what makes this blood stuff less likely than a magic man in the sky? And we autoclose religion topics on teamliquid. You appear to be arguing in favour of my action, the closing of the topic, by explaining how it is comparable to other situations where we do the same thing. | ||
Gnial
Canada907 Posts
On March 31 2012 15:58 Alejandrisha wrote: it's more necessary to write an op about something worthwhile to read and adapt. the concept is just....... no macro creep tumors? same thing as static defense when it is not necessary. you cannot say where a scan will happen. devoting energy to creep tumors and not spawning additional creep tumors from them is not some new ingenious tactic; it's a gamble, or a justification of laziness -.- I would like to point out to everyone, that Dongraegu has adopted the creep spreading technique I advocated. Just watch game 1 (edit: and some of the others) of Dongraegu vs MKP from the MLG Spring Arena finals. http://sc2casts.com/cast8456-Dongraegu-vs-MarineKing-Best-of-7-MLG-Spring-Arena-Finals It is vital to the sustenance of his creep spread. So yeah... great job everyone! | ||
jsemmens
United States439 Posts
![]() I totally understand why this was closed because there wasn't much effort put into the OP. I just wanted to say that Stork deserves better, and I hope an experienced member of the forum reads this and takes up the challenge of redoing his fanclub in a way that is worthy of him. :/ | ||
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On May 23 2012 17:23 jsemmens wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337285 got closed ![]() I totally understand why this was closed because there wasn't much effort put into the OP. I just wanted to say that Stork deserves better, and I hope an experienced member of the forum reads this and takes up the challenge of redoing his fanclub in a way that is worthy of him. :/ I hear someone is already working on it. | ||
Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On April 21 2012 00:11 KwarK wrote: While people can and do believe whatever they like that is not a structure we can really debate on teamliquid. Astrology is not only irrational and illogical but has absolutely no evidence backing it up. There is absolutely no possibility for a debate in which denial of evidence is the foundation for one side of the argument, the entire subject has no value. If you were to make a topic discussing the impact of false beliefs upon society with links to articles discussing it, background information on some of those beliefs such as blood types and astrology, evidence of when it's been significant and the like then that'd be a really interesting topic and I'd totally get behind that. Furthermore if people came in and dismissed the entire sociological aspect of it and just went "derp, no evidence" then I'd temp them for it. But that's not the topic we're talking about here, the topic I closed was "does your blood type match up to these vague applying to everyone definitions". It had no value because there's no correlation between blood type and personality. The difference between the value of the two approaches to the subject is like the difference between "does God exist?" and "what is the impact and value of a secular government in a predominantly homogeneous religious society, discuss within, here are some relevant articles and thoughts on the matter". I just wanted to say this is a beautiful post from Kwark. While I agree with TheToast about the importance of the sociological impacts etc, and which are worthy in and of themselves, Kwark's reply is succinct and eloquent ![]() | ||
Fenrax
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United States5018 Posts
"[Discussion] Random pics that make you laugh" thread I read GMarshall's argument and I think there are several reasons why this thread is a better idea than just PMs. Feedback on the thread was also positive by the users. - often times questions can't be answered by the poster or he isn't logged in to answer. "Who is that guy in the gif?" - "I don't know I just thought he looked funny." - when political, religious or otherwise controversial pictures are posted publically it is only natural that you want to give public feedback about a publich picture. PMing the poster of such pictures him is often useless, especially if pictures voluntarily give false informations. - people already give their opinion in the thread. Usually with an unfunny old picture attached to it that no one cares about while it is very obvious that the only to make this post was to state the opinion and not post the pic. These posts are getting really annoying and with the discussion thread we would get rid of them which would lead to a better quality of the pics thread. Yeah you can ban/warn the people but that won't make them happy, nor those who view these old pics nor will it ever actually stop people from posting there when they feel they have to clarify something about religion or politics. | ||
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United States5018 Posts
come on, the discussion thread is a good idea, please reopen it. just look at all the old/unfunny 1 pic posts that are only made to ask a question or give an opinion in the pic thread. | ||
ma5ta
United States46 Posts
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:32 ma5ta wrote: Why was my thread about removing XN Towers closed? Or rather, stated it doesn't belong on TL AT ALL? WHY NOT It didn't belong in strategy because it's a hypothetical scenario. And it didn't belong on TL for the same reason. There are dozens of threads popping up each month saying "what would happen if..." or "how would the game play out if...". Sure this can be discussed, but it holds no value, because those discussions aren't gonna change the game. If you want change, try to attract the attention of a Blizzard game designer - which you do by posting on the Bnet forums. Just imagine what would happen if everyone posted their ideas about game changes. The forums would be a mess. Nobody's saying your idea is bad. It's just not in our (community's) power to do anything about it. | ||
Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:01 Excludos wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345358 Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. There are countless topics that could lead to a thread reaching 14 pages in less than a day, I personally don't see any point in discussing something like this here when it could actually happen at any moment for as far as anybody is concerned... Really I can imagine a beta build "removed the roach from the tech tree as a test". So as long as it's just a guessing game why even bother keeping the thread open no matter how 'heated' it is. | ||
Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:12 Cokefreak wrote: There are countless topics that could lead to a thread reaching 14 pages in less than a day, I personally don't see any point in discussing something like this here when it could actually happen at any moment for as far as anybody is concerned... Really I can imagine a beta build "removed the roach from the tech tree as a test". So as long as it's just a guessing game why even bother keeping the thread open no matter how 'heated' it is. Because honestly I want to discuss the topic and hear what others think. Which is the whole point of a discussion forum. And by the looks of it, so did a lot of other people. We even know that people from blizz surfs this forum once in a while. If the thread got a large number of replies and someone stumbled upon it, maybe it could even change the game. And don't say "post on blizz forum". There is no worthy discussion to be had anywhere or with anyone on there. Anyways, the latter is secondary to the former. | ||
JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:20 Excludos wrote: Because honestly I want to discuss the topic and hear what others think. Which is the whole point of a discussion forum. And by the looks of it, so did a lot of other people. We even know that people from blizz surfs this forum once in a while. If the thread got a large number of replies and someone stumbled upon it, maybe it could even change the game. And don't say "post on blizz forum". There is no worthy discussion to be had anywhere or with anyone on there. Anyways, the latter is secondary to the former. Underlined two separate parts for emphasis. Mostly because they seem to contradict each other. If you can judge other people's contributions to the discussion as worthless, why can't the staff at TL do the same with the discussion as a whole? I don't much care if the policy changes, but that's an utterly unconvincing argument. | ||
Excludos
Norway7982 Posts
On June 18 2012 12:04 JingleHell wrote: Underlined two separate parts for emphasis. Mostly because they seem to contradict each other. If you can judge other people's contributions to the discussion as worthless, why can't the staff at TL do the same with the discussion as a whole? I don't much care if the policy changes, but that's an utterly unconvincing argument. Its easy. Team liquid have a small amount of trolls and dickheads. They usually don't last long. The Blizzard forums have a small amount of people with brains. They usually don't last long in there either.. ![]() | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On June 26 2012 22:36 Orcasgt24 wrote: Why was the tasteless replays and vods thread closed? Usally theirs a mod post in the last 3-4 posts stating why but this ime their isn't Probably falls under the whole TL isn't Google thing. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On June 17 2012 07:01 Excludos wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=345358 Reaches 14 pages in less than a day "No worthy discussion here, close it!". I know you want a tidy forum and all that, but comon. If the thread is that popular, it certainly deserves to be its own thread. "put it in one of the existing hots threads" also isn't logical, as discussions in the hots threads jump all over the place as several people talk about several random things all at once. Discussing the new units belongs in the hots thread. Discussion potential changes in the already existing game for hots might deserve its own topic, especially when its this heated. edit: Also want to mention its not my thread. I just think we had a nice discussion going, even if its not anything anyone on TL or TL itself can do anything about. But then again, around 80% of the threads aren't in the first place. Discussing how you would make SC2 on TL is like going to a physics forum and discussing how you would design your own version of our universe. There's just no value in it. The discussion is subjective and endless and fruitless. Take it to a Blog or your own private site. | ||
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Chill
Calgary25967 Posts
On June 26 2012 22:36 Orcasgt24 wrote: Why was the tasteless replays and vods thread closed? Usally theirs a mod post in the last 3-4 posts stating why but this ime their isn't Can you post a link? I assume you mean this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=347909 It's a pretty open-ended request that can be easily searched yourself. It doesn't require a thread. | ||
Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On May 02 2012 23:15 KwarK wrote: And we autoclose religion topics on teamliquid. You appear to be arguing in favour of my action, the closing of the topic, by explaining how it is comparable to other situations where we do the same thing. Closing ≠ insulting someone's belief, even if it is ridiculous. | ||
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Iceland457 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On July 04 2012 12:09 Mr.Bimbles wrote: Why was my thread closed? I put a lot of effort into it and it just got immidetly locked down.... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=350204 Probably because you're making a new thread when there's already a designated balance discussion thread. | ||
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monk
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
On April 20 2012 22:31 KwarK wrote: In future I'll attempt to phrase it as "they believe something that only someone who struggles to understand cause and effect would believe in". You have, um, a very high opinion about your own opinions. I don't think these are valid reasons to close a thread on their own though. But hey, it's your site. | ||
Mr.Bimbles
Iceland457 Posts
On July 06 2012 22:08 NrGmonk wrote: From what I can see:
Take your pick for a reason. "Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place" Well since it is true and the thread ain't so breathtakingly horrible, that it just can't stay. "Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already" And those threads aren't locked? "Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL" First off, I'm on eu, and blizzard pays no attention to those threads... The only times we ever see blue, is when they are selling stuff or commercializing... And those threads are like almost completely deserted.... I can already tell that you are from US, due to you have clearly never seen the EU threads... "Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread." http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/4888089054?page=1#0 I tried making this thread on blizzard forums, and I'd say that like 70% liked it and the rest disagreed. "Just not a good thread in general" As I said it ain't horribly, horribly bad... And its something that really wrong with the game design, *it should be a strategy game, not a recipe game* So if I had to pick it would be the "just not a good thread in general." Because thats the only thing that is remotely true, due to that I spent like 35 minutes on it... I still don't think its so bad it should be removed.. | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On July 06 2012 22:08 NrGmonk wrote: From what I can see:
Take your pick for a reason. I'd say all of these reasons work pretty well with your thread Mr. Bimbles. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On July 08 2012 06:39 Mr.Bimbles wrote: "Badly thought-out and organized post that's all over the place" Well since it is true and the thread ain't so breathtakingly horrible, that it just can't stay. "Another balance QQ thread, there are plenty of those already" And those threads aren't locked? "Suggesting stuff to Blizzard: do that on Battle net forums, not on TL" First off, I'm on eu, and blizzard pays no attention to those threads... The only times we ever see blue, is when they are selling stuff or commercializing... And those threads are like almost completely deserted.... I can already tell that you are from US, due to you have clearly never seen the EU threads... "Won't generate good discussion/responses, as can be seen from the responses already in the thread." I tried making this thread on blizzard forums, and I'd say that like 70% liked it and the rest disagreed. "Just not a good thread in general" As I said it ain't horribly, horribly bad... And its something that really wrong with the game design, *it should be a strategy game, not a recipe game* So if I had to pick it would be the "just not a good thread in general." Because thats the only thing that is remotely true, due to that I spent like 35 minutes on it... I still don't think its so bad it should be removed.. There is a designated balance thread, so the question is really "what makes your thread special enough to warrant its own thread?" You only go into points briefly and barebly put any supporting evidence. That doesn't generate discussion. It's just going to get "yeah, I agree" or "no, you're stupid" type of responses. Instead, if you started in one of the existing threads and your ideas generate enough good discussion, then maybe you can put it together into a thread. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
I'm not sure why he would read my thread as an attack on IMMvp given that my OP goes to fairly great lengths to address the broader issue of account leveling? I've constructed an argument entirely based on the harmful effects of account leveling in general. I address that issue from multiple angles and the majority of the OP is devoted to that topic, which is much broader than just IMMvp and which has never been discussed on TL before. The issue of account leveling in general received over 400 replies of debate in the thread in a single day - very very few of those replies address IMMvp specifically. With regard to the attention I pay to IMMvp, I explain multiple times how the example is meant to fill a role within my broader argument, even with a disclaimer at the start of the OP! As for whether the practice is widespread, I can just say that the most prominent hacking site has numerous advertisements and threads for the service. I didn't link to those direct sources because it is in fact a hacking site. There also are sites devoted to the service on the model of gosucoaching. MillDragon advertises the service under his stream and appears to have a steady stream of customers whose accounts he levels while featured on TL. I could also point to various NA GM accounts such as optikvalor and rafao that jumped leagues dramatically between seasons, but I suppose those could be simple account sharing. Also keep in mind I went to pretty painstaking effort to identify the leveler of IMMvp, in order to prove that this type of thing can be exposed through hotkey graphs. No one has done this on TL before. If Dragon can make a fair amount of money on this while featured on TL, who's to say that even if the practice wasn't already widespread, it could easily become so in the future? On that basis alone wouldn't a thread be warranted, given that there are numerous ads for the service on the Internet AND this has never been discussed on TL before? | ||
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justsayinbro
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To Chill: right because everyone is a fucking athelete. there is difference between sports and regular jobs. no one gives a shit about how much you make moderating at teamliquid because no one is interested in you or your job. its different for an athelete however. also there is a clear link between Esports and sports. so I am asking something that makes no sense? watch basketball, baseball, or any other sports with major franchises. I am really puzzled on why you closed my blog. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Aw come on, there's at least one more match left of Brood War. I understand that the thread is getting increasingly off topic, but you could have left it till after OSL finals. I'm sure there would be a pretty good bit of last minute creativity. ![]() | ||
frogmelter
United States971 Posts
On July 22 2012 08:20 ticklishmusic wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305559 Aw come on, there's at least one more match left of Brood War. I understand that the thread is getting increasingly off topic, but you could have left it till after OSL finals. I'm sure there would be a pretty good bit of last minute creativity. ![]() Seconded... please reopen. Or at least rename the thread into something like Starcraft Memes. | ||
Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367098 All the information in the OP came from the source I linked at the bottom. I didn't want to create a wall of text, because I think that causes people to dismiss the thread. I wanted to keep the OP short and concise to prevent people from ignoring the information presented. Also, he said there was a lot of "my country is better than yours!!1!" going on. I read through the entire thread and I didn't see a single post like that, except for a few obviously sarcastic troll posts that should have been modded individually. There was plenty of informative discussion going on. Also, it's obvious that this topic is relevant to a lot of TL users given that it got over 500 votes and 190 posts in the 11 hours it was open. I'd really appreciate it if a mod re-opened my thread. Thanks. | ||
Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 09 2012 04:48 Voltaire wrote: My thread was closed earlier by GMarshal, and I don't think it was necessary at all http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367098 All the information in the OP came from the source I linked at the bottom. I didn't want to create a wall of text, because I think that causes people to dismiss the thread. I wanted to keep the OP short and concise to prevent people from ignoring the information presented. Also, he said there was a lot of "my country is better than yours!!1!" going on. I read through the entire thread and I didn't see a single post like that, except for a few obviously sarcastic troll posts that should have been modded individually. There was plenty of informative discussion going on. Also, it's obvious that this topic is relevant to a lot of TL users given that it got over 500 votes and 190 posts in the 11 hours it was open. I'd really appreciate it if a mod re-opened my thread. Thanks. Right now the US military has: 90,000+ troops in Afghanistan 50,000+ troops in Germany 35,000+ troops in Japan 28,000+ troops in Korea 15,000+ troops in Kuwait 10,000+ troops in Italy 9,000+ troops in the UK etc. I think this is quite excessive. In fact, I think that every single one of these soldiers should be brought home. I'm curious what other TL users think about this. Is the entire content of your OP that was written by your hands, sans the poll and a copy/pasted link. There is not valid discussion as to why those troops are there, there is no reason why you would like to see them return to the US, what the benefits and risks of both staying and leaving are. It's just "here's some numbers, lets go home, who agrees?" When the bulk of your post is the poll you're using in it, it's generally frowned upon. To guide the discussion, there probably should have been more facts, and more opinion. | ||
Modesty00
Bulgaria262 Posts
So why is closed? The reason i created the thread was to share the larva funny reaction. Is that agains the rules or smth? | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
No effort op. Your OP is just a link and a line of text, how much clearer could it get? | ||
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Hondelul
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On January 22 2008 16:46 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: Hello citizens! In a neverending battle against threads that contain nothing but a single YouTube video and a text-based smiling face, we have decided to act upon the totalitarian power granted to us by the US Patriot Act. As such, all YouTube videos are to be posted in this thread alone, and offendors will have their threads bound in shackles and then swung from the gallows. | ||
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TimKim0713
Korea (South)221 Posts
I am trying to get more ideas from people how to improve it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386277 | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland24149 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=386296 Which referenced: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=385831 Not actually so much a 'why was it closed' as the reason was pretty clear. Wondering how I would go about achieving my current goals without falling foul of rules for publicising my other threads. Didn't actually know this thread existed so PMed Marshall about it, probably the wrong way to go about it! | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
On May 31 2011 02:18 Chill wrote: Finding the best TvZ players can be done by reading and watching replays. No one else is going to get any value from this thread except you. Sorry for the late reply, but to think that no one else on these forums would ever benefit from knowing the top TvZ players is very myopic. That's just the sort of thing people will search for and help make the site a valuable resource. Also, never waste your time doing research that has already been done by someone else. It's pretty obvious there was a clear cut, top 3 or so TvZ players at the time I asked about it. Trying to brute force discover and somehow know I am right about who is best by watching random replays would be a foolish waste of time. Just be honest, you guys don't like new threads here. It had nothing to do with the quality of or relevance of the question to the subforum in which it was posted, or even how "reuseable" such a thread on that topic would be. | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
Just be honest, you guys don't like new threads here that don't follow the commandments and guidelines set for them. This is what you wanted to say I think? | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:46 Cokefreak wrote: This is what you wanted to say I think? The fact you refer to them as "commandments" just bolsters my point. Elitist jerks don't get it I guess. Maybe some kids in the future won't want to have to pick 100 replays out of a hat and discover on their own, the very best hands down TvZ players? Instead they can find it on here, in said thread. You know... like helping people which is what communities are good for? | ||
Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:55 Levolent wrote: The fact you refer to them as "commandments" just bolsters my point. Elitist jerks don't get it I guess. Maybe some kids in the future won't want to have to pick 100 replays out of a hat and discover on their own, the very best hands down TvZ players? Instead they can find it on here, in said thread. You know... like helping people which is what communities are good for? Yes they are actually called commandments on this site. You can call it elitist all you want but this site has a set of rules stricter than most other sites do, you don't have to like them but if you want to keep using the site you better obey them. Those rules and the moderation staff is why I value this site so much, maybe it's elitism to you but to me this site is way above the standards of most sites of equal size. Also calling people elitist jerks doesn't really support your case. | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
On December 12 2012 01:59 Cokefreak wrote: Yes they are actually called commandments I'm not surprised at all. I actually meant the plural form of "you". Just curious, why would a thread like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20078 be OK, but a thread saying hey watch video X because it's nifty NOT be ok? Was it just a case of pandering to a mod OP in that example? Or harkens back to a simpler time for TL? | ||
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:18 Levolent wrote: I'm not surprised at all. I actually meant the plural form of "you". Just curious, why would a thread like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20078 be OK, but a thread saying hey watch video X because it's nifty NOT be ok? Was it just a case of pandering to a mod OP in that example? Or harkens back to a simpler time for TL? The last one - that thread is from 2004 and the standards have changed since then. Specifically, around late 2009/early 2010 when there was a massive influx of new members due to the SC2 beta. | ||
Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:18 Levolent wrote: I'm not surprised at all. I actually meant the plural form of "you". Just curious, why would a thread like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20078 be OK, but a thread saying hey watch video X because it's nifty NOT be ok? Was it just a case of pandering to a mod OP in that example? Or harkens back to a simpler time for TL? Yes. It harkens back to eight years ago. | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 12 2012 02:18 Levolent wrote: I'm not surprised at all. I actually meant the plural form of "you". Just curious, why would a thread like this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=20078 be OK, but a thread saying hey watch video X because it's nifty NOT be ok? Was it just a case of pandering to a mod OP in that example? Or harkens back to a simpler time for TL? It is well known that veterans get more leeway because they have contributed more to the forums. For a recent example - [H] Ideas for 20k. Finding examples from years ago does not help your case since a bad/duplicate thread is still a bad/duplicate thread. Was Beyonder already a mod back then? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=3062 On November 07 2010 18:27 MasterOfChaos wrote: Only if you invent a time machine and deliver that rule to the year 2003. | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8094 Posts
Are you serious? take it to the youtube thread implying that the video was not thread worthy on it's own and as such is more suited for the youtube thread. | ||
Levolent
United States59 Posts
On December 12 2012 06:00 JBright wrote: It is well known that veterans get more leeway because they have contributed more to the forums.] I'm a veteran and I didn't get any special treatment. I didn't post much in 2004 though. | ||
Whatson
United States5356 Posts
On December 12 2012 14:25 Levolent wrote: I'm a veteran and I didn't get any special treatment. I didn't post much in 2004 though. I'm pretty sure that you'd be classified more as a lurker than a veteran. | ||
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TOCHMY
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Infinite976
United States92 Posts
Plexa says it's cites a good quote in one've the articles I posted and concludes the entirety is "much ado about nothing", but that's just not true. Here's another quote from one've the articles: "But also, if there’s any correlation between violent games and aggressive behaviour, it’s in our interest as gamers to know about it. Instead the issue gets consistently obfuscated by a politically motivated agenda, increasing the noise, and reducing the chance for a level-headed, scientifically focused debate." I think the TL community is logical enough to have a mature conversation about Starcraft with regard to the violence topic. Or should we always close threads like this and just bury our heads in the sand while CNN continues to make disgusting talking point about mass shooter massacres while playing SC2 replays on their news feed? | ||
Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On December 21 2012 04:05 Infinite976 wrote: Why was this thread closed? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389276 Plexa says it's cites a good quote in one've the articles I posted and concludes the entirety is "much ado about nothing", but that's just not true. Here's another quote from one've the articles: "But also, if there’s any correlation between violent games and aggressive behaviour, it’s in our interest as gamers to know about it. Instead the issue gets consistently obfuscated by a politically motivated agenda, increasing the noise, and reducing the chance for a level-headed, scientifically focused debate." I think the TL community is logical enough to have a mature conversation about Starcraft with regard to the violence topic. Or should we always close threads like this and just bury our heads in the sand while CNN continues to make disgusting talking point about mass shooter massacres while playing SC2 replays on their news feed? Here are all the other closed threads saying the exact same thing. These sort of threads don't really generate discussion because most people on a gaming website would agree with each other saying how stupid the media can be. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388893 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388957 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=388882 | ||
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
I'm surprised this thread got closed. I completely agree with it since the OP could have spent a little time to do a search and see that there have been multiple threads asking the same thing. I just thought the normal procedure for a thread like that was to move it to website feedback (if it wasn't there already) and lock rather than close it. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/closed-threads/447414-apd-releases-helmetcam-footage-of-shooting It's a reasonable thread by the standards of TL. Certainly far worst opening posts have not been closed. No reason was given for closing. | ||
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MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Certainly almost all OP about a news is geared in such a way. Or in the case of 99% of all threads, no meaningful discussion is to be had. The OP talk about his thoughts and even asks people for their thoughts. It posts a video which stands on it's own merit, which appears to be the official youtube channel of a news site, and the posters were all arguing in the usual TL way. Nothing out of the ordinary. It is just closed without any reason given. | ||
wongfeihung
United States763 Posts
It became apparent that he didn't post the thread for the sake of discussion. He posted it with the intention of bringing a matter to light and having everyone agree with his opinion. Everyone who disagreed with him was automatically wrong and stupid, in his eyes. This is just what I see as justification for the thread being closed. The mods probably have a better explanation for you. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
You basically are arguing that half the threads in the general section should be closed. Afterall, you post a news information to bring it light. Then you argue with whoever you disagree with. I didn't realise it was against TL rules to attack people who disagree with you, rather than to merrily agreeing along. If you or someone thought the OP was not discussing in a civil manner, then it is up to you or that someone to report him, not for a mod to decide to close the thread suddenly without reason. Anyhow, all you have given are your opinion on the OP state of mind, which none of us are privy to, and it is not up to you to decide whether a thread is justifiably closed, you are not a mod, don't pretend to be one please, wongfihong. Look at all the other closed threads. They all are either very obvious as to why it was closed, or a reason was given. | ||
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
If you post a thread to bring attention to an issue, the bare minimum is presenting the facts objectively without trying to twist them. That thread did not do that, and thus it was closed. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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QuanticHawk
United States32028 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:48 Zealously wrote: No, that doesn't describe half the threads in General. Most threads in general maintain a minimum level of objectivity that said thread did not meet, and most threads do not involve the OP zealously attacking whoever disagrees with his viewpoint or chooses to criticize the way he created the thread. Hawk brought up a few valid points about the OP cherrypicking information to strengthen his point of view, which is a no-go in a thread supposedly meant as a news thread. If you post a thread to bring attention to an issue, the bare minimum is presenting the facts objectively without trying to twist them. That thread did not do that, and thus it was closed. Maybe going forward there should be a rule that the entire news story must quoted/written in the op, in addition to a link? It was pretty obvious that a lot of people didn't bother clicking the link because they thought the op quoted the whole story. There's always gonna be people who don't read and comment anyway, but that might help | ||
Waise
3165 Posts
anyway, just an opinion, my life will go on either way | ||
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KadaverBB
Germany25649 Posts
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