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Peqqz
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany201 Posts
March 31 2014 16:58 GMT
#1
Disturbing content. Do not click the Video if you're under 18 and/or when you're not able to watch this kind of footage.




Hello everyone.

Im shocked, (again) by the police:

James M. Boyd seemed to think he had a deal. The 38-year-old homeless man – whose illegal camping in the foothills had drawn Albuquerque police – told officers on Sunday that he was ready to walk off the mountain. Instead, he was carried off, fatally wounded after officers opened fire. Boyd, in a long confrontation with police, ended up face down in the dirt, a splotch of blood visible on his back, a police dog on his leg. He held a knife in each hand.

But before that, there appeared to be a chance he’d cooperate, according to video released by APD on Friday. “All right, don’t change up the agreement,” Boyd says, as officers have their guns trained on him. “I’m going to try to walk with you.” Boyd picks up his backpack and belongings, and he looks ready to start walking. There are no knives in his hands at this point. “Do it!” an officer says on the video.

A flash-bang device is thrown at Boyd’s feet, disorienting him. Officers yell at him to get on the ground, and a dog and officer approach him. Boyd takes two knives out of his pockets and appears to wave them. Then Boyd starts turning away from the officers. That’s when shots ring out and he hits the ground. Officers continue to yell at him to drop the knives. “Please don’t hurt me anymore. I can’t move,” Boyd says as he lies on the ground.

Officers fire bean-bag rounds at him as he’s on the ground, then let loose a police dog, which grabs his leg and shakes it. He doesn’t move. Then officers approach and cuff him, blood on the rock above him. He died the next day at the hospital.



Video:

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My main thoughts is about the knifes. Was this really a reason to kill this guy?

Your thoughts?





Source: http://www.abqjournal.com/372844/news/video-camper-turning-away.html
Source: German News
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Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:18:59
March 31 2014 17:17 GMT
#2
dont pull knives on cops and you wont get shot. pretty simple shit.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:23:57
March 31 2014 17:19 GMT
#3
If you're gonna make the op, try making it not so blatantly biased by clipping out the parts that explain how approaching officers were warned of his extensive criminal history that featured assaults on officers, his history of mental illness, and multiple threats against the officers that were there just before this went down

Holding knives

Police Chief Gorden Eden released video of the incident during a Friday afternoon news conference. Much of it comes from an officer’s helmet camera. The shooting was justified, Eden said, because Boyd, holding knives, threatened an officer and the use of “less-than-lethal” devices hadn’t worked, he said.

“Do I believe it was a justified shooting? Yes,” Eden told reporters. “If you follow case law … there was a directed threat to an officer.” Boyd had a criminal history going back almost 20 years, Eden said. He had spent time in both the Doña Ana and Bernalillo county jails, the chief said. In one incident, Eden said, Boyd punched and broke an officer’s nose as she talked to him in an Albuquerque library.

“All of his charges have been violent,” Eden told reporters. Officers arriving on scene were told that Boyd had an “extensive history” of violence against police officers, that he was possibly diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and that he was a transient. Eden said two officers, Keith Sandy and Dominique Perez, fired three rounds each during the encounter. Sandy is a detective with APD’s Repeat Offender Project. He joined APD after he was fired by State Police amid allegations of double dipping on pay.

At least one bullet struck Boyd, though Eden said it’s not clear whether that’s what killed him because medical investigators haven’t released a cause of death. Police haven’t been able to locate a next of kin for Boyd. A multi-jurisdictional team is investigating the shooting, Eden said. Forty witnesses, many of whom only heard the incident, have been interviewed so far and “we’re not finished,” the chief said.

Eden’s first incident

The shooting is the first since Eden took over as APD chief late last month. Albuquerque police have shot and killed 22 men since the beginning of 2010, counting Sunday’s incident. The city’s police force is under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice, which is examining whether APD has a “pattern or practice” of violating people’s rights, specifically through the use of force.

One of the videos shown by Eden on Friday shows the beginning of the encounter with Boyd. Officers were dispatched on a “suspicious person’s call,” the chief said. Boyd was sleeping or lying under something when officers approached. He came out from beneath the cover and “as the officers began to talk to him, he threatened the officers with knives,” Eden said.

On the video, officers order Boyd repeatedly to drop the knives. According to dispatch logs released Friday, Boyd threw a rock at officers about 20 minutes before shots were fired. Boyd talks almost constantly during parts of the encounter. Eden said Boyd identified himself as an agent for the Department of Defense and other agencies. “I’ve been calling you all for five months,” Boyd can be heard saying on the video.

Eden said that Boyd asked for State Police to come to the scene. A State Police officer did and “he stated that the suspect threatened to kill him also,” Eden said. An APD crisis-intervention officer also spoke to Boyd, Eden said. Sometime later, Boyd appears to decide he’s ready to leave and he seems to think it’s part of an agreement with the officers. He also suggests it’s the officers who are the threat, not himself.

“In the private world, if you were down at a bar or a bus stop, I have the right to kill you right now because you’re trying to take me over,” Boyd says. “Don’t get stupid with me.” An officer responds: “We’re not going to get stupid.” Boyd then says he’s going to “walk with you. … Keep your word. I can keep you safe. Don’t worry about safety. I’m not a (expletive) murderer.” He picks up his backpack, officers use the flash bang and he pulls out the knives. About 10 seconds later, as Boyd appears to turn away, officers fire at him.

Eden said the officers fired a Taser shotgun round at Boyd as the dog was deployed. Eden said Boyd had “two open-bladed knives in his hands,” even as officers handcuffed him on the ground
. Officers then used the barrels of their guns to pick over his belongings, located nearby under a clear tarp.

“The suspect did, in fact, make a decision not to follow the directions that were provided to him by the officers,” Eden said. “… On many occasions, he threatened officers. On many occasions, he refused to follow the direct commands of the officers.”

During the news conference, Eden took questions from reporters for four minutes before a public information officer tried to end the briefing. Eden responded to questions for about two more minutes before leaving. In a brief interview outside the conference room, the Journal asked Eden why officers didn’t spend more time trying to wait out Boyd – what changed that led them to take the action they did.

Eden said they couldn’t wait because Boyd was moving to leave and officers couldn’t contain him in the area because of the rugged terrain. “We still had hikers in the area,” Eden said. “We did not have a way as we normally do to be able to establish a strong outer perimeter because of the rocks, the hills, the loss of line of sight.”


quote the whole thing instead of doing shitty cherry picking that leaves out vital information.

considering how shit these news threads turn out, there should be a rule about not cherypicking quotes from a story like this
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14045 Posts
March 31 2014 17:20 GMT
#4
I have a bunch of basic questions you didn't answer. Where did this happen? Did he commit any other crimes in the mountain he was camping? Is something happening to the cops such as a "administrative leave".

If its in america then the knives certainly are a reason to kill the guy. If hes refusing to drop his weapons in front of cops that have assault rifles in front of him then theres something wrong. Cops being human beings arnt' going to risk their lives for no reason in that situation and cops have died in these situations. The fact that he branished the knives in this situation doesn't really help his case in anyway. I don't know if the toxicology report has come out yet but if he has any sort of drug in his system the cops are going to get off scot free and not lose a night of sleep.
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Peqqz
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:33:48
March 31 2014 17:31 GMT
#5
WoW, that was quite offending and poor by you, Hawk.

Why the hell is a policeman in danger, if he pulls out two mini knifes? Killing this guy is WAY to mutch.


Edit: Oh hey he just shot him a few times after he layed on the ground. Because of the enormous danger?
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vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 17:40:07
March 31 2014 17:37 GMT
#6
On April 01 2014 02:31 Peqqz wrote:
WoW, that was quite offending and poor by you, Hawk.

Why the hell is a policeman in danger, if he pulls out two mini knifes? Killing this guy is WAY to mutch.


Edit: Oh hey he just shot him a few times after he layed on the ground. Because of the enormous danger?


American cops are trained to use force if they feel at all threatened with a weapen that can be considered deadly. Sure, it was a harsh use of force, but what do you really expect the result to be from a 20+ year convict who pulls a knife on police and repeatedly disobeys the orders by police?

This OP is super sensationalist and its definitely not the first POV cop video with killing happening.
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scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 19:06:32
March 31 2014 17:39 GMT
#7
I agree with the above posters as well - you were quite biased in the OP- Don't pull weapons on cops and keep your hands visible.

This may teach you a thing or two - I've followed this and it works well. NSFW

Edit: Yes I did watch the video.

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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 31 2014 18:03 GMT
#8
I agree that the openeing post is lacking in some information, but those who called the polices' actions justified should just watch the video instead. They attacked him for no readily apparent reason. Surely any of the police are physically fit enough to follow what appears to be an unfit man with several bags with ease. Perhaps the police got impatient and wanted to wrap the situation up quickly.

These police seem shockingly gung ho, combined with "get your ass up!" Is this normal for American police? I'm pretty sure that's not well trained policeman would ever say. as an instruction
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 18:05:33
March 31 2014 18:05 GMT
#9
Anyone would be scared shitless of a 20 years convict with mental illness who doesn't mind attacking cops.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
March 31 2014 18:06 GMT
#10
Did you even watch the video?
DorF
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden961 Posts
March 31 2014 18:08 GMT
#11
Sure you shouldn't pull weapons on cops, but the cops could have just used non lethal weapons (seemingly they brought quite a few) or released the dog ?
But whatever they are the trained professionals and in that situation I'm sure they made the right decision, at least I hope so.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2649 Posts
March 31 2014 18:09 GMT
#12
At some point your going to have to apprehend him and get him cuffed. You cant just let a guy like that wander off. It was obvious that he did not plan to come in willingly. Police obviously had a plan to try to take him down as soon as they got an opening.

They tried using a shock grenade and storming him when he put away his knifes (likely the best scenario they could get) but he isn't affected and pulls them out.

0 % chance they get another chance, he doesn't obey when shit is obviously very real and they shot. They are then very cautious when approaching (bean bags, dog) because they don't want to get stabbed when they approach. I don't really see the problem with this situation.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14045 Posts
March 31 2014 18:14 GMT
#13
On April 01 2014 03:08 DorF wrote:
Sure you shouldn't pull weapons on cops, but the cops could have just used non lethal weapons (seemingly they brought quite a few) or released the dog ?
But whatever they are the trained professionals and in that situation I'm sure they made the right decision, at least I hope so.

They did use non lethal weapons but they didn't work. A guy on meth won't react to tazers and a guy on coke won't react to beanbags. If you don't know if hes on either you have to assume hes on both.
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Peqqz
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany201 Posts
March 31 2014 18:21 GMT
#14
I'm amused be the fact, that every "US-poster" is pro cops.

Seriously. They shot him when he layed on the ground [...]
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
March 31 2014 18:24 GMT
#15
Knives are just as dangerous as guns, if not more so at close range. The shooting was justified.
Peqqz
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany201 Posts
March 31 2014 18:27 GMT
#16
On April 01 2014 03:24 Ettick wrote:
Knives are just as dangerous as guns, if not more so at close range. The shooting was justified.



Yup. Shoot him while he is dieing.


Are you guys all serious?
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
March 31 2014 18:32 GMT
#17
On April 01 2014 03:27 Peqqz wrote:
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On April 01 2014 03:24 Ettick wrote:
Knives are just as dangerous as guns, if not more so at close range. The shooting was justified.



Yup. Shoot him while he is dieing.


Are you guys all serious?

Because cops are stone cold professional killers who have killed hundreds of people and know the exact moment when people die after shooting them.
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-31 18:34:54
March 31 2014 18:34 GMT
#18
On April 01 2014 03:27 Peqqz wrote:
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On April 01 2014 03:24 Ettick wrote:
Knives are just as dangerous as guns, if not more so at close range. The shooting was justified.



Yup. Shoot him while he is dieing.


Are you guys all serious?


Leave it, we Europeans won't ever understand Americans and their toleration of police brutality.
sOda~
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom441 Posts
March 31 2014 18:37 GMT
#19
how anyone can have watched the video and think that what was done was even close to reasonable baffles me.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
March 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#20
don't blame the victim. there are many cases of USA police brutally murdering innocent people (with no criminal backgrounds and who never made any threats to police). sure this guy might've been an ex-con, but the cops are in the wrong on this one. they used way too much excessive force as they are always wont to do. until the police are actually punished for their murders with jail time instead of getting slaps on the wrist and paid vacations, these things will keep happening.

youtube and smartphones are the best thing to happen to citizens, as now the police can't quite blatantly get away with their bs.
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