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are all you guys watching the same video? the guy was fucking complying with the officers and picking up his bag. As he started to walk down, they fucking flash banged him and start yelling at him. The guy was just standing there 20 feet away from everyone. You have a fucking killer dog, a shotgun and a damn rifle with scope trained on him. And yet you felt like the situation was out of control so much that you had to shoot the damn guy multiple times?
1. Don't fucking throw a flash bang when the person is complying with your orders.
2. Understand that gun>knife and 2 gunners>knifer. They didn't need to fucking shoot him just yet as he stood 20 feet away. Does he have teleport or something? Fear of lagstab like in Dark Souls?
The guy pulling the knife is very stupid, but it don't mean you have to gun him down multiple times as he stands 20 feet away in an isolated area with no danger to ANYONE.
But if he is some kind of professional knife thrower, I will take my statement back. But if you watch the video, the guy went down after the first cop shot him, then the cameraman decides he wants in on the fun and pegs him some more. WTF? These are our cops?
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wtf. sorry. they had more than 3 guys there. They had a damn commando team with multiple rifles. Oh, the best part? The guy fucking turns around and that's when they shoot. people defending the cops, you gotta be fucking kidding me. sure they had the right to be cautious, but not stupid like the display you are exhibiting.
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The guy is in the absolute middle of nowhere, obviously a mental patient and the police decided to send what is more or less a SWAT team. They then provoke the guy by pointing weapons at him while obviously they could have been standing 20 meters away and try to engage him. The guy was in no way a threat, even if he were to charge an officer they could have shot him 30 times over on the way there.
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable policework needs to get his head checked, US police forces are pretty much militarized and they recruit heavily from the pool of people that want to look cool and aggressive. It's incredibly sad that the US public accepts this kind of bullshit from their police forces.
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He is not complying with the cops he's mental and think he has some kind of agreement and they aren't going to let him walk right up to them.
What they should have done is to shoot the ground next to him when he was waving knives as a warning and then one guy should have shot him in the leg (he would have refused to drop the knives).
He could still have died tho.
Problem is that US cops seem to be conditioned to all shoot at the same time if one opens fire. It's probably because there are more firearms.
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Im very glad some "non americans" postet under this video.
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On April 01 2014 03:47 Derez wrote:
The guy is in the absolute middle of nowhere, obviously a mental patient and the police decided to send what is more or less a SWAT team. They then provoke the guy by pointing weapons at him while obviously they could have been standing 20 meters away and try to engage him. The guy was in no way a threat, even if he were to charge an officer they could have shot him 30 times over on the way there.
Anyone who thinks this is acceptable policework needs to get his head checked, US police forces are pretty much militarized and they recruit heavily from the pool of people that want to look cool and aggressive. It's incredibly sad that the US public accepts this kind of bullshit from their police forces.
Yeah, I seriously do not know why they shot him. The first bullet that exited a gun was when his back was turned. His back was fucking turned and the guard dog was restrained and safe.
What? are they afraid the guy has a gun up his ass?
can't believe some people here think that the cops did the right thing.
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At least Americans aren't arrogant enough to post everything we disagree with Europeans about. Seriously, this just needs to stop. Every time I check TL General, it is filled with arrogant Europeans with holier than thou attitudes posting about local US news.
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Seems like the situation was more or less under control until the police randomly escalate it with the flash bang. What was the point of that?
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On April 01 2014 04:03 andrewlt wrote:
At least Americans aren't arrogant enough to post everything we disagree with Europeans about. Seriously, this just needs to stop. Every time I check TL General, it is filled with arrogant Europeans with holier than thou attitudes posting about local US news.
I do not care were you're from. Its just very stupid to say its okay what they do. And yes, all who say "its okay" are americans.
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On April 01 2014 04:03 andrewlt wrote:
At least Americans aren't arrogant enough to post everything we disagree with Europeans about. Seriously, this just needs to stop. Every time I check TL General, it is filled with arrogant Europeans with holier than thou attitudes posting about local US news.
Hehe, by the way... Most amercians thing Europe is a country.
Okay, that was a bit racist... Just a bit. 
User was warned for this post
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On April 01 2014 04:03 andrewlt wrote:
At least Americans aren't arrogant enough to post everything we disagree with Europeans about. Seriously, this just needs to stop. Every time I check TL General, it is filled with arrogant Europeans with holier than thou attitudes posting about local US news.
arrogant europeans? dude, let me save you the trouble and suggest that you delete such repulsive remarks. and if you are going to talk shit, please explain your reasoning and your case.
These "arrogant europeans with holier than thou attitudes" are pointing out the fact that the the police used force in which was out of line with what the current situation called for. 6 armed men and one guard dog. A man standing 20 feet away. Police flashbang him as he starts walking down. Dog is set loose on the man and attacks the man. Man gets out knife to protect himself against the dog. Police are still standing away with 6 guns trained on him. They tell him to get down. The man turns around and begins to comply. Bang, bang, bang. Once the man is down and unable to even move, they sick the dog on him and shoot him 3 more times with a beanbag.
Yeah, these europeans are sure overreacting. In my humble opinion they are using something called logic, which is something quite lacking in your statements.
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knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be.
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On April 01 2014 04:21 Advantageous wrote:
knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be.
But why put themselves in a situation where self-defense was necessary? Before the flash bang he was calmy walking towards them, the situation was under control. If they didn't want him closer they could say "stop where you are".
But then the flash bang naturally surprises and disorients the victim, so the situation becomes out of control.
As I see it police should always be working to get a situation under control, not creating chaos.
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On April 01 2014 04:21 Advantageous wrote:
knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be.
wow. Whatch the Video befor posting, please
With that logic you need to kill your mom, when she cuts a bread.
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don't know the standard procedure cops are supposed to follow here but it seems really irresponsible to throw something at an armed dude walking slowly towards you and force him into a panic situation. aren't you guaranteeing the worse case scenario right there?
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it's like tasers don't exist >.>
the best part of the vid is they throw a flashbang, and then shoot the guy after he drops all his shit, and is clearly still disoriented from what was just thrown at him.
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On April 01 2014 04:21 Advantageous wrote:
knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be.
Woot?
What do you call getting flashed banged, shot and a dog that is biting you? THATS a threat. What do you do, if you are getting eaten alive? You try to defend yourself. Given the fact that this guy was outnumbered and attacked by 6 men and a dog while being flash banged, who would not panic and try to defend himself with all possible means?
And he even said, that he cant move anymore and wanted to give up. (I didn´t watch the vid, I concluded just from the comments)
So much for gun-loving people who justify owning guns for self-defense reasons.
Sorry, but that is not logical at all.
But I guess I´m just arrogant.
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Yeah... this is just not ok.
The man was compliant with the officers and they decide to throw a flashbang and further assault him? Why?
I'm thankful for the existence of widespread recording devices, otherwise this stuff would have been covered up and buried.
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Terrible and sad. These cops have to stand trial for murer.
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On April 01 2014 04:21 Advantageous wrote:
knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be.
"knives = threat."
Wow, I applaud thee for coming up with that. So I guess nuking the guy could have worked as well huh? The guy is a threat, so all threats should be treated as potential bombs and be taken out immediately with blatant force. That's just self defense against a threat. So it makes it okay.
Can you seriously just sit down and try to wrap your head around the fact that the situation did not call for the force that was exhibited in this video? do you really believe that what they did should be just shrugged off as "legal authority"? wake up people, don't be so ignorant.
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On April 01 2014 04:37 Golgotha wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2014 04:21 Advantageous wrote:
knives = threat. threat warrants self-defense. what are polices' self-defense? guns. what do guns do? shoot and kill or fatally wound. im not saying the shooting was justified, the officers couldve dealt with it some other way, that's less life-threatening, but they're under legal authority to apply "self-defense" if need be. "knives = threat." Wow, I applaud thee for coming up with that. So I guess nuking the guy could have worked as well huh? The guy is a threat, so all threats should be treated as potential bombs and be taken out immediately with blatant force. That's just self defense against a threat. So it makes it okay. Can you seriously just sit down and try to wrap your head around the fact that the situation did not call for the force that was exhibited in this video? do you really believe that what they did should be just shrugged off as "legal authority"? wake up people, don't be so ignorant.
Not saying police are in the right here.
but look up tueller drill.
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