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I look forward for HOTS and I hope MECH will become the new standard in TvP. A lot of people are tired of the BIOplay http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=270769.
In the next expansion HOTS, BIO play will become very hard to play because of this new toss unit !
The Replicant
Replicants: have the ability to transform itself into any non-massive unit and they get all his ability already research.
Yes, replicant have all the ability of the unit even if the owner doesn't research it.
4:51 The replicant fear !!!
Imagine you are a BIOterran and you have to fight again templar, What do you do ? The only way to survive is the ghost.
But after the expansion, the replicant can mimic the ghost, and this unit got emp, snipe and cloack !!! I think it will be hard to prevent a cloackreplicant to emp or snipe our ghosts.
Maybe you can have a raven ? But what happen if replicants mimic your raven ! They can PDD your marauder or even worse they have seekermissile!
Seekermissile is more scary than storm !!!
Maybe you think: A ghost copy is just as good at killing your ghosts as your ghosts are at killing his!It becomes about micro!
But the thing is: protoss can have observers but terran can't have ravens anymore!
Thank you for reading this post. By the way, I love TL !!! :D
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Terrans usually scan ahead of their army, so forward observers often times are taken out by a few stimmed marines before MMM army gets close to P army. In that case, it is still Terran favored because nothing stops a scan. Replicant means that the longer you stay on bio, which is still a really good army and there's no reason to dump it, the more harder it will be (theorycraft)
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Replicator can counter everything. Protoss has the most difficulty tech switching when compared to the other 2 races and this unit solves that problem. It isn't a very creative unit IMO so I don't like it.
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Maybe you can have a raven ? But what happen if replicants mimic your raven ! They can PDD your marauder or even worse they have seekermissile!
Seekermissile is more scary than storm !!!
why get seeker missile vs toss in the first place?
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On October 25 2011 02:39 Zabedisi wrote:Show nested quote +Maybe you can have a raven ? But what happen if replicants mimic your raven ! They can PDD your marauder or even worse they have seekermissile!
Seekermissile is more scary than storm !!! why get seeker missile vs toss in the first place?
afaik they get all the upgrades even if theyr not researched.
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"OH MY GOD HE CAN COUNTER ALL OF MY UNITS WITH MY OWN UNITS"
It's like dealing with a mirror matchup except your opponent is forced to be cost inefficient.
You're overstating its usefulness. It's a terrible unit and, more importantly, concept in all regards.
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I want to see TLO demo this thing :p.
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On October 25 2011 02:25 tehemperorer wrote:
Terrans usually scan ahead of their army, so forward observers often times are taken out by a few stimmed marines before MMM army gets close to P army. In that case, it is still Terran favored because nothing stops a scan. Replicant means that the longer you stay on bio, which is still a really good army and there's no reason to dump it, the more harder it will be (theorycraft)
If the Terran is attempting to engage the Protoss army yes they usually will scan ahead, however with Protoss having access to Ghosts they are better equipped to engage the Terran army themselves. So if the Terran player has no permanent form of detection with their army they are kind of screwed.
On October 25 2011 02:37 cywinr wrote:
Replicator can counter everything. Protoss has the most difficulty tech switching when compared to the other 2 races and this unit solves that problem. It isn't a very creative unit IMO so I don't like it.
From a viewer's perspective I think the creative uses of the Replicator will add a lot to the enjoyability of watching games. From a player's perspective it may not be as exciting.
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It is so obvious that this unit is meant for PvT. There is no reason in PvP to get a replicator rather than an immortal, because you can't replicate anything worthwhile other than an immortal. Same for PvZ, there is nothing the Zerg makes that is worthy to replicate except the infestor. You might as well make Collossus.
However, you can use the replicator to counter 1-1-1 builds in PvT, and there are so many useful units to replicate. Banshee, Raven, Tanks, and Warhounds.
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Terran doesn't make anything besides bio, medivacs and ghosts. Expensive ghosts to deal with their half price ghosts? OK then.
The only utility of this will be for SCV + medivac to repair Protoss health. And even then you can't do that vs Zerg.
You can make a queen to spread your OWN creep, that will be useful amirite????
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On October 25 2011 02:43 Zarent wrote:
"OH MY GOD HE CAN COUNTER ALL OF MY UNITS WITH MY OWN UNITS"
It's like dealing with a mirror matchup except your opponent is forced to be cost inefficient.
You're overstating its usefulness. It's a terrible unit and, more importantly, concept in all regards.
I don't think the replicant is overpowered by concept, but the comparison of being an inefficient mirror matchup isn't accurate. In a mirror matchup your opponent can't make all the Protoss units, while with the Replicant they are merely supplementing a full Protoss army with a few (more expensive) units.
Personally I think the most useful use of it sounds like getting an SCV and making a few Orbitals. In those epicly long PvTs people sometimes get into that would be a godsend as you can get rid of your probes and rely upon MULE mining the way Terrans currently do in late game. (Also scan is nice I guess)
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Still seems like a kinda shitty way to fix PvT, I hope it can justify it's pretty high cost.
I'm not sure if 200/200 to get a ghost against a terran army is really going to be all that worth it.
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They won't go through with this unit, it doesn't belong in any RTS game, let alone SC2.
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So if you copy a queen.. can you transfuse your stalkers?
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On October 25 2011 02:41 Syncker wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2011 02:39 Zabedisi wrote:Maybe you can have a raven ? But what happen if replicants mimic your raven ! They can PDD your marauder or even worse they have seekermissile!
Seekermissile is more scary than storm !!! why get seeker missile vs toss in the first place? afaik they get all the upgrades even if theyr not researched.
I was under the impression you get all the upgrades on the unit, even if you didn't research them yourself, but it is still only what the unit currently had researched by it's owner at the time.
On October 25 2011 04:18 Ender985 wrote:
So if you copy a queen.. can you transfuse your stalkers?
Transfuse only works on biological units.
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If you have one replicant, you can copy an overlord make some creep. After with the same replicant copy a queen and make a creeptumor.
And you have map vision ! ;D
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I think toss already has the best bio counters. Maybe replicating a ghost to emp ghosts would e good, but I think colossus/ht is already a damn good counter to bio
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I think mech terran will definitely become much more popular. As they have the new mech units that are really strong, as well as blizzard trying to move terrans away from bio all day every day.
However, bio will still be stupidly good as an opening/midgame; the problems you bring up will only be that big a deal in the lategame. So I think it may look a little more like some of the current TvT builds: FE with bio into a big mech play.
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I dont see how this counters bio.
1. Replicants dont make us any more mobile (if T is going for bio and doesnt drop, what is the point of getting bio in the first place?). So replicant dont help in that sense. Infact if youre getting replicants, youre not getting observers to spot them drops.
2. Replicants costs 200/200 and 4 pop., which makes them EXTREMELY expensive (almist like a collossus. Against bio you MUST have aoe damage units (templars or collossi). If youre gettin replicant youre not using your robo for collossi and youll prolly be gas starved to get any HT.
3. People say that toss is a 1-a race which i find absolutely not true. To fight bio, you need to guardian shield (easy), foecefield (a little harder), and storm their army (if you have collossus you need to focus down their vikings, even a little harder yet). And now you have to snipe (but snipe what?? Marines??) or emp with ur ghost replicant.
Honestly i dont see how replicants are a counter to bio. Amaf, imo i dont see their use at all (unless ur replicating a worker and making a hatch or a cc, but thats another story).
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On October 25 2011 04:27 DoctorFunk wrote:
I think toss already has the best bio counters. Maybe replicating a ghost to emp ghosts would e good, but I think colossus/ht is already a damn good counter to bio
If it really is a 'counter' then how are Terrans able to go bio all game long and still win in straight up battles?
Nothing 'counters' bio, or else Terrans wouldn't play it, just like you don't see them going tankless in TvZ.
And InvXXVII don't bother trying to argue with the other races, its futile. They have all lost games to collosus and in their minds it is only because Toss units are easy. I mean, why the hell would a Toss player be better than them? God forbid.
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