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okrane
France265 Posts
We have a new installment of the game, a chance to set things right, to repair past mistakes and design flaws, to make the game sharper and better than it was before. And still we have this god awful boring and bland unit in the core of the zerg army. The expansion could be a way of removing it and adding another solution for Zerg early tier which would make things more interesting and fun to watch. All opinions are welcome. | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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Garmer
1286 Posts
Imho roach should cost 1 supply 100hp/3 range and same dps as now, but with a passive ability in his attack(like the devourer) | ||
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freetgy
1720 Posts
usually a unit is either fast or tanky. A speed roach has movement speed of 4 on creep.....almost as fast as speedlings. As far as i am aware 2 roaches beat any equivalent of 150/50 ressource army of the opponents, which makes them a very boring a-move unit in most of the cases. | ||
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Fueled
United States1610 Posts
I'm kind of on the fence about them though. As watching goes, I hate seeing them in ZvP and ZvT, but I love watching roach battles in ZvZ. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I want the Hydra back to its original use as much as anyone. However this is SC2 and I've accepted it will never be the same as BW. Roaches are part of what we use and they are remarkably fine the way they are. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
Also, the zealot is pretty bland. Roach is too standard in zerg army to get rid from. Small steps are needed to do so with good replacement. Imo not possible until lotv. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
This doesn't necessarily mean that the roach should be removed, rather that now zergs have other options for roles the roach previously filled we will (probably) start to see roaches used and made more situationally which will make them seem like a less bland unit. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 16 2012 18:42 Zrana wrote: I feel like the swarm host fills the role of a midgame defensive+cost-efficient+high-retention unit, whilst the speed upgrade for hydras could allow them to fill the role of the big ranged dps ball. This doesn't necessarily mean that the roach should be removed, rather that now zergs have other options for roles the roach previously filled we will (probably) start to see roaches used and made more situationally which will make them seem like a less bland unit. You can get Roaches much quicker than Swarm Hosts though (hatch instead of lair tech). They're much more expensive than roaches and according to those that played they're really underwhelming. Not cost efficient at all. Also Roaches aren't purely a defensive unit and doesn't play the (intended) siege role that the Swarm Host does. I don't see the similarity in application at all. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On June 16 2012 18:42 dAPhREAk wrote: and replace it with what? The beetle. It's like a roach, but with 25% more fun built into it. It could do things like burrow underground and move, and then pop up onto unsuspecting enemies. Roaches can't do that. Roaches are boring 1a units. | ||
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Dalavita
Sweden1113 Posts
On June 16 2012 18:33 Fleshcut wrote: It's too important to Zs to remove it. Why not remove the tanks from terran? They are boring. Leading to turtle style play and impossible to crack defenses. Roaches are at least mobile and get you into a real game even if I have to admit that they are boring compared to lings. But you can't remove any of them. :/ Sadly. What are you smoking. Tanks are objectively good for the game, and a huge part of what BW and SC has always been about. Shame they're so shit in SC2 compared to BW or we'd see some real positional games instead of blobfests. | ||
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
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Warzilla
Czech Republic311 Posts
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
Jokes aside it is a pretty important unit, as mech becomes a more viable option (or so Blizzard says / hopes............) in HotS, I think having the Roach will be a good transition unit for WoL players to mess around with the new units - we don't want to absolutely shatter Zerg players' knowledge of the game (in that: when you see mech, build roaches). Roach drops will still be good against mech because Terran didn't get new anti air other than widow mines. Blizzard has said they're not opposed to 1a "macro-friendly" (lol) units; that was their reasoning for warhound/battle hellion - no reason to eliminate units. You'd only get people mad by removing it. We don't know if It would still be played more often than bc's, hydras now, reapers, ravens, neosteel frames... | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On June 16 2012 18:42 dAPhREAk wrote: and replace it with what? tier 1 hydras that aren't terrible. Of course that would fuck up hots changes but this is mindless theorycraft anyway. | ||
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