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On June 16 2012 18:35 Amlitzer wrote:
The thing I hate about the roach is that it has these really interesting mechanics (burrow move and regen) that go unused 99% of the time. Instead they are just used as a pure dps unit, which isn't what I imagine blizzard intending at all. I think they really need to revert their range back to 3 for starters.
100% agree. For a possibly interesting unit, it is usually used as an a-move, massed unit. Especially against toss to force cost ineffective engagements and eventual loss. Damn you Stephano!!! (still, pls win DH thnkx)
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I don't know about players who aren't terrible but for me when I tried using burrow more with Roaches I found that it literally lost me games because they require so much time invested in managing them. They absolutely need a seperate "unburrow" key for it to even begin to be viable, and if you really want to see it being used a speed buff whilst burrowed would help. Speed buff whilst burrowed might break ff's though.
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Surely if this thread is going to stay up, it needs a poll (and I vote yes). The roach is a nessasary unit for defence as well as offense but the main purpose of the unit is defence.
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On June 17 2012 02:38 Allscorpion wrote:
Surely if this thread is going to stay up, it needs a poll (and I vote yes). The roach is a nessasary unit for defence as well as offense but the main purpose of the unit is defence.
Yeah there is a poll, it's just not in the OP. I'd say leave it as it is too, but I'd be open to seeing what Blizzard can think up, but that's not a poll option.
Poll: Should the roach stay?Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit (40) 35% Keep as is (38) 34% Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly) (19) 17% Keep but changed (1 supply etc.) (16) 14% 113 total votes Your vote: Should the roach stay? (Vote): Keep as is
(Vote): Keep but changed (1 supply etc.)
(Vote): Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly)
(Vote): Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit
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On June 17 2012 00:43 SarcasmMonster wrote:Poll: Should the roach stay?Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit (40) 35% Keep as is (38) 34% Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly) (19) 17% Keep but changed (1 supply etc.) (16) 14% 113 total votes Your vote: Should the roach stay? (Vote): Keep as is
(Vote): Keep but changed (1 supply etc.)
(Vote): Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly)
(Vote): Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit
The plurality of the people want the roach to stay as is. Small sample, but what-evs.
You are taking it from the wrong side, majority(65% at the time of writing) of the poll wants the roach changed/removed completly, we are just not agreeing on a single option.
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On June 16 2012 18:33 Fleshcut wrote:
It's too important to Zs to remove it. Why not remove the tanks from terran? They are boring. Leading to turtle style play and impossible to crack defenses. Roaches are at least mobile and get you into a real game even if I have to admit that they are boring compared to lings. But you can't remove any of them. :/ Sadly.
What? Tanks are one of the most interesting units in Starcraft as a whole, and sadly in Sc2 tanks are so weak that they don't amke anything impossible to crack. Tanks should zone the map and they don't do that unfortunately, if you find this kind of thing interesting are you even sure you like this game?
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Remove the roach, put in some other armored thing that has good micro potential, and I would be so happy. But, that's never going to happen, though I might build a lot more hydras in HotS with a speed upgrade.
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On June 17 2012 02:42 Skrita wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2012 00:43 SarcasmMonster wrote:Poll: Should the roach stay?Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit (40) 35% Keep as is (38) 34% Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly) (19) 17% Keep but changed (1 supply etc.) (16) 14% 113 total votes Your vote: Should the roach stay? (Vote): Keep as is
(Vote): Keep but changed (1 supply etc.)
(Vote): Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly)
(Vote): Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit
The plurality of the people want the roach to stay as is. Small sample, but what-evs. You are taking it from the wrong side, majority(65% at the time of writing) of the poll wants the roach changed/removed completly, we are just not agreeing on a single option.
To be fair to myself, I said plurality. And when I said it, it was almost at 50%.
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On June 17 2012 02:46 marcelluspye wrote:
Remove the roach, put in some other armored thing that has good micro potential, and I would be so happy. But, that's never going to happen, though I might build a lot more hydras in HotS with a speed upgrade.
You can easily micro the Roach o_O
You have to realize that StarCraft if is a strategy game and the Roach is not "just a unit you make, omg boring", it has its purpose in the early game, mid-game and late game. Removing it would cause a lot of trouble!
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Roach needs to stay because it's the only low tech unit that deals well with colossus and hellion+thor.
Well they could replace it with something more interesting that fills the same role.
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Units I dont like in WOL: Marauders,Roaches,Collossus,Thor,Infestor,and the ability ForceField. They should get replaced with something that´s more exciting.
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You guys are all saying its too important, but do you guys remember those hots battle reports? No roaches were made in either of the games (PvZ and TvZ).
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On June 17 2012 02:58 TBone- wrote:
You guys are all saying its too important, but do you guys remember those hots battle reports? No roaches were made in either of the games (PvZ and TvZ).
That's because the point of the Battle Report was to show the new Heart of the Swarm changes/units.
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On June 17 2012 02:58 TBone- wrote:
You guys are all saying its too important, but do you guys remember those hots battle reports? No roaches were made in either of the games (PvZ and TvZ).
They are just demonstrating new units in the battle reports afaik
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And replace it with? is exactly the correct problem. You can't just REMOVE something because it's boring, lol. What the hell am I meant to do against toss mid game without the roach? It's a staple, as one example. Sure, z could try to fast hive/focus on creep and go hydras, but tbh, they're just worse than roaches. Especially, the necessity of hive rush/creep for any attacking will put back attacks further, so toss goes faster 3rd, collosus and even FF shut down hydras hard, esp. as they are less tanky than roaches. 4 gate with mass zealot will become an issue, unless I go blings every game which... bla bla bla
Can't just remove it. I agree it's not how it was intended, but for now, I don't think removal is even an option.
Swapping tiers with Hydras + rebalance.... judging by how well hydras counter gateway units and roaches would then have to better vs toss midgame whilst hydras get nerfed to remove just fast hydra attacks.... would be interesting, but from a balance perspective, I think the only major change would be toss early air wouldn't be viable.
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Not every unit has to be super interesting. Every race needs a meaty unit that they can go to in most situtions. Just like terrans have marauders and protoss have Stalkers.
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On June 17 2012 03:11 Karthane wrote:
Not every unit has to be super interesting. Every race needs a meaty unit that they can go to in most situtions. Just like terrans have marauders and protoss have Stalkers.
Stalkers aren't meaty they die really quick to the other meaty units until you hit a huge number of stalkers and only in PvZ :/
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Hydras should had been the massable a-move unit while Roach is sort of like I dont know really...
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Just becouse you find roaches boring and state it like a fact in OP dosn't exactly means all do find it same way. If you want em to be fun play like that. Do drops with em, burrow em in opponent's base after droping, do attacks in many places at once.
Removing roaches would also fuck up EVERY matchup as it's CORE UNIT.
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