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jtkirk
Profile Joined January 2017
32 Posts
May 20 2025 11:40 GMT
#1
This is a topic, that I wanted to start a long time ago. Here we go.

Obviously, most of us stand no chance when facing a Brood War progamer. Yet, sometimes, I see them do things that could be done in a more better/efficient way. And these things are easy to execute, so easy, that even I am able to do so.
Why don't they care more?

Here are my two examples.

1) Protoss pushing into terran with buildings floating around. Dragoons stay behind for a while attacking the building, while zealots quickly die in the front. When I play, I always use the move command and have dragoons rejoin zealots, targetting terran units instead of buildings. It's automatic for me.
But I've seen Stork too many times throwing his army to a single floating barrack. Even in Best games this can be seen sometimes.

2) Chasing first overlord with first corsair. Many players start attacking the overlord when corsair comes into range and do not move closer. As overlord runs away, corsair stops attacking once in a while to move back to the range again. With scourge being an imminent danger, I wonder, why they simply do not move the corsair as close as possible and kill it few seconds faster. I always do it automatically.

Please share your thoughts. Are these little things really so insignificant?
Did you spot similar inefficiencies in programer games?
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
358 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 13:16:01
May 20 2025 13:14 GMT
#2
On may 20 2025 20:40 jtkirk wrote:
Did you spot similar inefficiencies in programer games?


Yes! OK so I always see progamers using the mouse to move the screen over the main geyser to build refinery/extractor/assimilator. Sometimes it takes 2-3 mouse flicks to get the building centered properly especially if they over/under-shoot the screen with that initial screen movement.

Instead I use an Fkey (F2-F3-F4, whichever you use for main/nat) because in its default (unchanged) location, it is always slightly "above" the town hall. So, this allows for instant placement of the building on the gas, with no mouse movement required!
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iFU.spx
Profile Joined April 2011
Russian Federation367 Posts
May 20 2025 16:02 GMT
#3
Dragoons stay behind for a while attacking the building, while zealots quickly die in the front.

When I play, I always use the move command and have dragoons rejoin zealots

Congratulations! Now your dragoons rejoined with zealots and blew up on mines together <3
radley
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland582 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-20 16:21:24
May 20 2025 16:20 GMT
#4
It should be 'Congratulations! You have picked the only viable race for b rank, have fun and harvest some terran tears.`
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24490 Posts
22 hours ago
#5
For harassment, why not shift attack spam on a worker line? Even at the very highest level you’ll see Zealots or vultures or whatever get in, kill a few and get aggroed off the second an army unit shows up
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Profile Joined December 2024
United States34 Posts
17 hours ago
#6
On May 21 2025 01:02 iFU.spx wrote:
Show nested quote +
Dragoons stay behind for a while attacking the building, while zealots quickly die in the front.

Show nested quote +
When I play, I always use the move command and have dragoons rejoin zealots

Congratulations! Now your dragoons rejoined with zealots and blew up on mines together <3


I think he meant when there are no mines and you can bring your goons in. It is fine and true in that situation. And I do see pros goons wasting their time like this, but goons are hard to control and they've gotten much better with this in current play.
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3349 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-05-21 12:26:49
8 hours ago
#7
Not shift clicking shuttles away after dropping on tanks in pvt, or moving the shuttle a bit later. Very common having 3-4 shuttles micro-ed for the drop, then they loiter over there until a Goliath comes over 2mins later.

Though i understand this is the start of battle so there are a lot of things to do but maybe a hotkey for the shuttle and press it after the battle fully starts?

For things i do as well as pros, I am an expert at storming my own obs in pvz, if i do say so myself. On par with the pros
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