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Hello, i would like to bring a topic of insane money on https://www.patreon.com/ReviveSC2 , (12500$/month = insane 150.000$ / year + constant 6 min ads every 1/2 games) which Tastless currently rising.
There is several donation-based events, such as endless Wardi events, PiG Fest, Homestory cups , which are somewhat compared with money they get/money they spend on tournaments, for example PiG and Wardi spending almost everthing they get with donations, TaKe also puts most of donation's into event.
But not the case with Tastless , while he currently rises 150.000$ , he only plan to invest 14.000$ of them into prizepool , with 2 expected seasons. And with ADs spam of course total money is way higher, than this.
To me all this event is huge manipulaton/abuse on sc2 fans, which starts with idea of bringing SC2 back to life, Revive title etc , but only stuff which is planned to be revived currently is Tastless's wallet.
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It's only just got started, let them settle in. They have big plans.
And spreading rumours like this ("he probably-") is dangreous, you've probably been on reddit for too long.
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i said its rumours on topic , but i personally certain this is not, i just wont put it that way without serral's comment.
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On July 11 2025 19:53 bulldozer06701 wrote:
It's only just got started, let them settle in. They have big plans.
And spreading rumours like this ("he probably-") is dangreous, you've probably been on reddit for too long.
settle in to what? you expect season every month or what? 3 season's is end goal with 210.000 rised , which doesnt change picture too much.
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Let's not spread rumors if there isn't any notable source
It's just starting, if they want to host something properly, then everyone needs to be paid a real salary for their part-time or full-time work. There is a lot that goes into a league, especially one that they are trying to produce to a professional standard.
"i said its rumours on topic , but i personally certain this is not, i just wont put it that way without serral's comment."
Wait, you're forcing Serral to have to clear this up? Instead of removing it unless if it's confirmed? That's extremely backwards.
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On July 11 2025 19:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Let's not spread rumors if there isn't any notable source
Wait, you're forcing Serral to have to clear this up? Instead of removing it unless if it's confirmed? That's extremely backwards.
How you expect this to be confirmed? For Serral to just go into media war with Tasteless for not much reason? This is why its said as rumours once again.
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On July 11 2025 19:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
It's just starting, if they want to host something properly, then everyone needs to be paid a real salary for their part-time or full-time work. There is a lot that goes into a league, especially one that they are trying to produce to a professional standard.
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Single bo7 or 2 bo5's without offline presence for players per day is professional standard?
6 min ADs every 1/2 games , while you rise 12500$ monthly already is another professional standard? Got ya
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On July 11 2025 19:40 Optimus Prime2 wrote:
p.s. There are rumours (!) Serral probably declined his invitation because of this .
Serral is simply continuing his long-storied tradition of ducking Korean tournaments with preparation time.
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On July 11 2025 20:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2025 19:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Let's not spread rumors if there isn't any notable source
Wait, you're forcing Serral to have to clear this up? Instead of removing it unless if it's confirmed? That's extremely backwards. How you expect this to be confirmed? For Serral to just go into media war with Tasteless for not much reason? This is why its said as rumours once again.
How about don't spread rumors that can be harmful to people?
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On July 11 2025 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2025 20:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On July 11 2025 19:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Let's not spread rumors if there isn't any notable source
Wait, you're forcing Serral to have to clear this up? Instead of removing it unless if it's confirmed? That's extremely backwards. How you expect this to be confirmed? For Serral to just go into media war with Tasteless for not much reason? This is why its said as rumours once again. How about don't spread rumors that can be harmful to people?
Harmful to whom? By what? Explain?
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another high quality thread, tl delivers once again
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Show proof that Tasteless is actually pocketing the money for the prizepool as well as proof regarding Serral's refusal to join RSL, OP.
Otherwise you are just spewing bullshit.
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On July 11 2025 22:03 Toshinou-Kyouko wrote:
Show proof that Tasteless is actually pocketing the money for the prizepool as well as proof regarding Serral's refusal to join RSL, OP.
Otherwise you are just spewing bullshit.
14.000$ been spent on prizemoney of total donations isnt proof? whats type of proof you expect then lol ? photo set of tasteless buying lamborghini at car showroom in seoul ?
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Patreon started mid april , since then was only 1 regular "wardi summer online tournament" with slightly enhanced prizepool been made, only difference it had Reynor in , same line up , same system. What for Tasteless want his donations? For that insanely cute face of him Gemini and State? Completely worth their, how much? 40000$ ? Whats already been rised?
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Northern Ireland25118 Posts
It’s not really manipulative to lay out what you plan to do, how you intend to distribute the money, and leave folks to decide if they want to contribute or not.
I said it at the time of the original announcement, but I think it bears repeating and often isn’t in such conversations.
I don’t think the RSL was conceived with the intention to run alongside regular tournaments, but as a replacement. GSL in particular. I think enough of the groundwork and planning was already done, so they decided to proceed anyway.
Choices and ambitions, especially given production and a stretch goal to do some offline make a lot of sense if you consider it through that lens.
I think it’s a good endeavour that I wanna support anyway, but that’s my read.
Perhaps not something anyone will confirm or deny in terms of friction it may cause if true, but it 100% screams to me ‘man we’re done waiting for announcements, fuck it we need to do something ourselves’, only for EWC to then get announced along with some GSL seasons.
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On July 11 2025 22:19 WombaT wrote:
I don’t think the RSL was conceived with the intention to run alongside regular tournaments, but as a replacement. GSL in particular. I think enough of the groundwork and planning was already done, so they decided to proceed anyway.
GSL replacement with 2000$ first place? Really ? PiG fest and especially lan-based Homestory cups are more relevant to be GSL replacement then, higher prizepool , better line up (on pig fest) , Homestory is made as LAN .
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Northern Ireland25118 Posts
On July 11 2025 19:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Let's not spread rumors if there isn't any notable source
It's just starting, if they want to host something properly, then everyone needs to be paid a real salary for their part-time or full-time work. There is a lot that goes into a league, especially one that they are trying to produce to a professional standard.
"i said its rumours on topic , but i personally certain this is not, i just wont put it that way without serral's comment."
Wait, you're forcing Serral to have to clear this up? Instead of removing it unless if it's confirmed? That's extremely backwards.
The Serral rumour is ludicrous.
Unlike most here, I’ve done live LANs, with audiences and on-site casters (one of which is me), observers (also me), DJ during downtime (also me), bit of crowd interaction. Oh and a big chunk of tech setup and testing often with our own gear either fully or partly. My multitasking ain’t quite up to it, but ‘good enough’, but in the past has necessitated big 10-12 hour stints trying to keep things running and entertaining until the end of day’s play and beer time kicks in. My co-caster keeps up with the bracket, chooses what matches we’re gonna cast and has to frequently swap to the players’ room to keep things smooth there. So I’ve got a little insight although not into a full pro level production.
We don’t have to worry about venue hiring, as we do it out of Ireland’s largest (and by far best) anime and gaming/general nerd convention. Would highly recommend on goes if they’re in the neighbourhood when Q-Con is going! But it’s only as good as it is because it’s entirely staffed by volunteers
Anyway, there’s a good reason that, to my knowledge only our SC group consistently, does offline events full stop, at least once annually much less with casters and a bit of pageantry. I think it adds enough value and fun to be worth doing, but it’s a ton of work, and work you have to do for free.
The convention we’ve long been attached to puts on a good prize pool for the level of competition we’re at, it’s better than most pro weeklies.
That would just evaporate if we paid minimum wage to a few of us. The absolute bare minimum of me doing multiple jobs, co-caster doing a few too, and one person doing the boring job of keeping the door and checking tickets, would still give us a negative prize pool.
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Tasteless and Artosis never cared about SC2 but they cared enough about the money. But I guess SC2 players are desperate enough to even participate in this obvious grift.
User was banned for this post.
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Northern Ireland25118 Posts
On July 11 2025 22:26 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2025 22:19 WombaT wrote:
I don’t think the RSL was conceived with the intention to run alongside regular tournaments, but as a replacement. GSL in particular. I think enough of the groundwork and planning was already done, so they decided to proceed anyway.
GSL replacement with 2000$ first place? Really ? PiG fest and especially lan-based Homestory cups are more relevant to be GSL replacement then, higher prizepool , better line up (on pig fest) , Homestory is made as LAN .
Where is Homestory Cup?
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150k a year is a lot, but since RSL was announced in April, only a fraction of that income will have actually been disbursed. In terms of non-prize pool expenses, there are:
(1) Studio costs (rent, all kinds of equipment, etc)
(2) Some kind of compensation to the people involved in planning, setting up invitations, casting, etc - this is probably hundreds upon hundreds of hours already
(3) Paying for graphics, etc
I also doubt the companies Tasteless is advertising has a huge advertising budget, I'd be surprised if the sponsorship is more than a few thousand. I'd actually be shocked if the organizers haven't had to pay out of pocket some to get RSL set up. I imagine they'll be made whole if the 150k a year gets paid out, but even that's not guaranteed - if they put out a bad product that could dry up.
Serral not playing because of the prize pool wouldn't surprise me - he rarely plays smaller tournaments, and as a top contender to win EWC probably sees hiding prep and squeezing in more practice time as far more sensible than playing RSL (no doubt that's the decision Maru made too, I imagine he got an invite.) That's not the same as a moral stand over spending decisions.
That being said, I do have some criticisms of how RSL is being run. The scene has plenty of medium size online tournaments - I feel RSL would add more to the scene if it just committed to being offline, even if that means only a single tournament a year. Not going to get mad at anyone making an honest effort to give us more tournaments though.
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