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Gescom
Canada3510 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26541 Posts
On August 20 2025 06:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote: The time and effort that Tasteless put into SC2 was casting as a job. He might have had passion at one point, but by the time LotV came out (that's close to 10 years ago), he was just going through the motions. He showed up to the studio, shot the shit with Artosis for a few hours, then clocked out. Good for him, but having worked for GOMTV and AfreecaTV does not give him any credibility in the bourgeois side of the labor/business divide. Hell, people have spent 15+ years telling Tasteless that he's one of the main reasons they watched GSL (the consistently highest average level of SC2 competition), so him seeing himself as the show and thus the one deserving to reap the financial reward of the money he is raising is completely reasonable and predictable. Tasteless isn't stealing money because RSL never promised to pay out more than it is doing, but the idea that people only steal or act unethical for huge amounts of money is flat out nonsense. e.g. Jontay Porter was banned for life by the NBA for his involvement in a prop bet that would have paid him ~25% of his $1,157,153 salary along with other bets that net him $22,000. Tasteless's reputation is all well and good, but that doesn't pay the bills. He's basically lost his job with Afreeca no longer paying him to cast Brood War and having an extremely abbreviated GSL cast, so supplementing he's supplementing his income with RSL. As for how much Tasteless is making from it, I split the money evenly in my napkin math for the sake of convenience, but he's the reason RSL is generating the pledges it does, so him taking more than an even piece would not be unexpected. He was always paid more for doing major SC2 tournaments than anyone other than Artosis. RSL isn’t just Tasteless though. It’s guys like State and Gemini as well. People with longstanding reputations in the community, and there’s a collective faith there from me. Not necessarily that they’ll deliver 100% what they’re shooting for, but absolutely a faith that they’re not actively running some kind of scam operation, which is what’s alleged by some. Briefly entering thought experiment land, if the Patreons didn’t have various reasons for giving, it was 100% just money to watch Tasteless cast some high level games, what’s the fair and ethical split there? If the audience doesn’t really care if it’s Classic or Gumiho or SHIN or whoever playing, so long as they’re a good player, and they’re there solely as padding for Tasteless to do his thing around, what’s the fair split? Exiting thought experiment land, speaking more generally. There’s an obvious symbiotic relationship between casters and progamers, they both need the other to have an enjoyable, consumable product that pays their bills. But it’s not always equally symbiotic. Progamers are generally the bigger draw, and casters are needed but you could almost swap out who’s actually casting provided they’re somewhat decent and people will still enjoy. Tasteless may be the relatively rare exception to that, where caster is the bigger draw than the players. I wouldn’t personally consider remuneration that reflects that to be particularly unethical. The unethical part would be doing it under the pretence that you’re saving StarCraft, reviving it some might say. Once you couch it in those terms, you’ve gotta do things for the wider ecosystem as a whole. One of which, is a better prize pool proportionate to income. Another is to potentially deliver an offline component in Korea. The kind of thing that justifies not just doing a Wardi style bedroom tournament. At the time of going to press, there is no GSL so that’s a gap to be filled. They weren’t going to deliver that in this initial phase, IMO quite wisely. I’m not a man of religious faith, but I’m a man of faith when it comes to assuming the best of folks who haven’t given me reason to doubt. But, you only get one cycle of benefit of the doubt. I consider the current RSLs, and the initial Patreon as a phase one tester, I also suspect they made way more money than anticipated by their estimates. It’s tempting to plough that back in immediately, or expand rapidly but sometimes sticking to the plan is prudent. Anyway, without rambling too much, I’m very much on the cautious side of cautiously optimistic, I’m merely withholding judgement until RSL phase 2. Only then will we know. I’ve always said that what happens next is really the important juncture. If they step it up in various domains, they’ve been banking the Patreon excess to do that. If they do not, well that excess has been going elsewhere | ||
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Jealous
10312 Posts
On August 20 2025 18:12 MJG wrote:  Revolverhttps://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver You were a progamer, so I apologise for being wrong. But you were also a match fixer, so I retract my apology. You're not doing a good job of convincing me that you're not a clown. Alternate IDs:крыса Literally "rat" in Russian. You can't make this shit up lmao. Pure comedy.  | ||
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Elentos
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26541 Posts
On August 21 2025 02:48 Jealous wrote: Literally "rat" in Russian. You can't make this shit up lmao. Pure comedy. It’s unbelievable, he didn’t even get outed, he volunteered his big boy progamer credentials, including the rather pesky ‘banned from competition permanently for match fixing offences’ alongside it. Speaking of rat, if this is to be believed… I’d still have found his arguments frequently terrible regardless of where they were coming from, but my mental picture was of some myopic puritan and not well, this dude. | ||
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Lex774
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On August 21 2025 04:25 WombaT wrote: and not well, this dude. My man, you have 27000 posts on TL User was banned for this post. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1278 Posts
On August 21 2025 04:25 WombaT wrote: It’s unbelievable, he didn’t even get outed, he volunteered his big boy progamer credentials, including the rather pesky ‘banned from competition permanently for match fixing offences’ alongside it. Speaking of rat, if this is to be believed… I’d still have found his arguments frequently terrible regardless of where they were coming from, but my mental picture was of some myopic puritan and not well, this dude. So in an effort to prove that he "knows how progamers work" he essentially voluntereed the information that no progamer of note will ever talk to this guy because he is banned and unsympathetic? Jeez...also hey Revolver, good chance I casted your games back when you were in GaB. Not that I could remember it. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26541 Posts
Hello new user! Not quite, but I do have making 27K posts on TL as one of my bucket list goals. Perhaps one day I may even make one worth reading | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18258 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa979 Posts
What an amazing turn of events! I know it was worth sticking around :-D PS: Wombats link to the older threads are worth a read I feel. What a historical journey :-D | ||
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