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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50639 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 02:29:18
15 hours ago
#1
It worked well last time so lets do it again.

(Wiki)ASL/21

As usual spoilers are ok in this thread and LR threads, but only in these places.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
DoctorLife
Profile Joined December 2024
11 Posts
14 hours ago
#2
Wow, neither mini nor stork this season. We have a small number of Protoss players just like last season, but now with even fewer of the big names to carry. Gaining rain back is nice.
Lot of terran. Going to be a lot of tvt to start at least
Urth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1253 Posts
14 hours ago
#3
14 Terran and 3 Protoss to start, lolwut
BY.HERO FIGHTING!!!!
felleN
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia72 Posts
12 hours ago
#4
It seems very Terran favour this season but I'm super hyped to see flash,bisu and jaedong all in this ASL, I'm hoping they can make it to ro4.
"I am fucking godly at, like, fucking god. AHHHH" -combatEX
Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines410 Posts
9 hours ago
#5
5 protoss

what
Yuru Yuri best anime
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3122 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 11:42:16
6 hours ago
#6
I see that some people have already attributed this lopsided race distribution to the map pool, and while I do think the new map pool is Terran favored, I dont think it has come into effect yet. The maps for qualifiers are all old maps.

For every season, the lineup for Protoss has always been Bisu Best Snow Mini + Stork + Rain (when he plays) + one or two of Shuttle YSC Free Tyson Motive Paralyze..., so the expected Ps will alway be 6-9 anyway. This season we have some freak results where Mini and Stork essentially lost 4 Bo3 to Mong sSak Piano Scan. Some will say Mini is in a slump and Stork is washed etc. but I think it's just matchup volatility and if the qualifiers were played again with the same exact opponents, they would beat them 9 out of 10 times. These freak results have happened before. Didn't Queen, JYJ, Sharp, Action all fail to qualify once in recent seasons?

It probably would help if the last map weren't Polestar though - the map has 60.3% TvZ and 57.5% TvP. If it were Radeon, maybe Stork would have beaten Piano in day 1, Mini would have beaten Mong/sSak, and Action would have beaten Leta, and we would be looking at 7 12 9 distribution. Not that it's balanced but it's better.
SCRVN
Profile Joined June 2024
140 Posts
5 hours ago
#7
I guess:
+ Show Spoiler +
Group A - Sharp, Scan
Group B - Soulkey, JyJ
Group C - Larva, Shine
Group D - Light, RoyaL
Group E - FlaSh, Rush
Group F - Best, JD
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 12:26:01
5 hours ago
#8
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.
JDON MY SOUL!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8165 Posts
5 hours ago
#9
I wouldn't say mini chokes, but he can definitely get tilted and play worse sometimes. He still has like the best results overall for any protoss player in ASL? 1 gold + 3 silvers.
Free Palestine
doktordingerdonger
Profile Joined October 2025
41 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 15:01:37
2 hours ago
#10
There is no wonder why terrans get into ASL so much with tesagi, but fail to convert it because all they do is farm abuse TvZ imbalance while avoiding the balanced PvT. There are 122 TvZs on the list vs 19(!) PvT

[image loading]


So they will fail hard again in ASL but it doesn't matter because the money is elsewhere... waste of ASL slots really
doktordingerdonger
Profile Joined October 2025
41 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 15:20:22
2 hours ago
#11
On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.


There have been 2 tvt finals and 4 zvzs... even if all zergs in the finals would go through and all terrans in the tvt finals would not,aka 4 extra slots just for zergs and 2 fewer slots for terrans, even with this ridiculous format we would still have 13 terrans and 12 zergs.

Also all zvzs have been in the second qualifier, after the better terrans made it through, so there is no wonder we have a bunch of mirrors in day 2.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5759 Posts
2 hours ago
#12
My predictions:

Group A - Rain, Mong
Group B - Soulkey, JyJ
Group C - Larva, huro
Group D - Light, RoyaL
Group E - FlaSh, Speed
Group F - Best, JD
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1150 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-09 16:22:12
1 hour ago
#13
On March 09 2026 23:58 doktordingerdonger wrote:
There is no wonder why terrans get into ASL so much with tesagi, but fail to convert it because all they do is farm abuse TvZ imbalance while avoiding the balanced PvT. There are 122 TvZs on the list vs 19(!) PvT

[image loading]


So they will fail hard again in ASL but it doesn't matter because the money is elsewhere... waste of ASL slots really



That first claim is not quite accurate. Most Protoss avoid spons beside the chinese woniu or the starcast spons, of which most are NOT documented on Eloboard because Starcast wants exclusivity to the broadcast and asks players not to stream it. Woniu spons also half thr time have one player not streaming it. Eloboard needs both players to have streamed it, or it has to be an official event. So A LOT of protoss spons are missing. Woniu and Starcast happen pretty much daily. We are missing 30-50 games a week. The zergs on the other hand play a lot of spons, and because the tosses arent, they have to play vs terrans.

So it is definitely not an avoidance by the terrans. It is top protoss being very selective in what they play.
JDON MY SOUL!
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