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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51565 Posts
March 21 2026 08:10 GMT
#61
On March 21 2026 02:18 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Btw - What's the map order for the ro24, anyone knows?


Game 1 and 2 - Octagon
Winners and Losers - Last remaining map between Attitude, Match Point and Jane Doe
Final - Last remaining map between Knockout, Neo Sylphid and Pole Star
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M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4242 Posts
March 21 2026 09:07 GMT
#62
On March 21 2026 17:10 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2026 02:18 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Btw - What's the map order for the ro24, anyone knows?


Game 1 and 2 - Octagon
Winners and Losers - Last remaining map between Attitude, Match Point and Jane Doe
Final - Last remaining map between Knockout, Neo Sylphid and Pole Star

Thank You very much.

Cheers
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
zutt0
Profile Joined August 2025
11 Posts
21 hours ago
#63
Tier List:

S: Flash
A: Soma, Snow, Bisu
B: Rush, Light, Jaedong, hero, Soulkey, Best
C: Barracks, Royal, Sharp, Queen, Larva, Rain
D: sSak JyJ, Mind, Speed, Mong, Scan, Shine, huro
E: Piano, Ample, Leta, Calm

S means favorite to win, A means potential to win and expected to make a good run, B means real potential to make a deep run but unlikely to win, C means a decent chance at Ro8 but probably not a deep run, D means real chances at Ro16 but probably not Ro8, E means Ro24 fodder.

Of these, I have the most uncertainty about Soulkey, Rain, Speed, and Shine. Soulkey has been doing poorly but we know he has it in him to be a championship level player. Rain, Speed, and Shine have too little data to have much of an idea of what's going on.

For groups, I've got:
A: Sharp, Rain
B: Soulkey, sSak
C: hero, Larva
D: Light, Royal
E: Flash, Rush
F: Jaedong, Best
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7998 Posts
21 hours ago
#64
I think you got Bisu and Best inverted, especially considering how godly Best PvT is in this very Terran heavy tournament.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1165 Posts
18 hours ago
#65
On March 21 2026 22:35 zutt0 wrote:
Tier List:

S: Flash
A: Soma, Snow, Bisu
B: Rush, Light, Jaedong, hero, Soulkey, Best
C: Barracks, Royal, Sharp, Queen, Larva, Rain
D: sSak JyJ, Mind, Speed, Mong, Scan, Shine, huro
E: Piano, Ample, Leta, Calm

S means favorite to win, A means potential to win and expected to make a good run, B means real potential to make a deep run but unlikely to win, C means a decent chance at Ro8 but probably not a deep run, D means real chances at Ro16 but probably not Ro8, E means Ro24 fodder.

Of these, I have the most uncertainty about Soulkey, Rain, Speed, and Shine. Soulkey has been doing poorly but we know he has it in him to be a championship level player. Rain, Speed, and Shine have too little data to have much of an idea of what's going on.

For groups, I've got:
A: Sharp, Rain
B: Soulkey, sSak
C: hero, Larva
D: Light, Royal
E: Flash, Rush
F: Jaedong, Best


Speed plays more BW than the rest, but its 90% BGH, so I feel he is mechanically in peak form, but has too little practice on the new maps and the news metas.
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m4ch1n1cd351r3
Profile Joined October 2020
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-21 19:30:44
16 hours ago
#66
S [championship favorite]: Flash, Soma
A [championship potential]: Royal, Sharp, Snow, Best, Rain, Zer0
B [dangerous in the right situation]: Light, Rush, Speed, Mind, Bisu, hero, JD, Soulkey
C [round of 16 max]: BarrackS, Mong, JyJ, Scan, sSak, YSC, Shine, Calm, Larva
F [pas de chance]: Piano, Leta, Ample

Calm and Mind are up a tier on their nominal levels due to their playstyles' being suited for tournament play. Maybe Shine deserves this bump too. I'm on the fence with him.

Though I have Rain in A tier, there is a good chance he doesn't make it out of round of 24 due to having three Terrans in his group in a best-of-1 context. Then again he could win the tournament with the right bracket and with the potential motivation of showing Flash who the true genius of Starcraft is. He might be the hardest player to assess.

JD has been posting insane proleague results but seems to have cooled off a bit lately and I am predicting a full regression to the mean on that account and on account of his tournament nerves the past few years.

On paper this should be a good season for Soulkey -- plenty of Terrans to beat up in late game, good number of macro maps to suit his mechanics-based style -- but his competitive fire seems to have dimmed below even Rain's level. Larva's mind is likely elsewhere too though he excels in similar situations as Soulkey, so I would expect their stocks to rise and fall together.

Similar reasons as Soulkey's and Larva's apply on paper to Sharp, who benefits more than anyone else save Flash and the top two Protosses from the proliferation of Terrans as his TvT is both extremely...sharp and difficult to prepare against due to his ability to play from behind/play from unusual gamestates. I like think of Sharp as a Zerg who happens to play Terran, which should suit him extremely well in this particular tournament.

Royal joins him as one of the Terran pretenders after Flash for the opposite reasons -- he pulls off technical plays better than anyone save Flash. He's almost a Protoss who happens to play Terran. Speed and BarrackS are similar in that sense but seem 1-2 levels down on Royal who looks rejuvenated.

Rush and Light have enjoyed relatively favorable metas in recent ASLs but haven't been able to cement themselves as dominant players. They are extremely solid in terms of fundamental play and mechanics, especially in SK Terran play vZ, but the meta has shifted towards technical play in vZ as well as somewhat in vT, and it's hard to see either of them being able to beat Snow, Best, and/or Rain in standard play, so I can't help but wonder if they missed their chance.
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2348 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-22 05:52:01
5 hours ago
#67
On March 09 2026 12:48 Urth wrote:
15 Terran and 5 Protoss to start, lolwut


sounds about right... considering the number of Terran and Protoss champions of individual tournaments in history.

2026 and finally the foreigners who don't play Protoss are starting to realize which is the hardest race of all. Numbers dont lie...
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10342 Posts
5 hours ago
#68
Title Contenders: FlaSh, Soma, Snow
Finalist Hopefuls: Light, Soulkey
Bracket stage warriors: Best, Bisu, Rush, Jaedong
Bracket darkhorses: BarrackS, ZerO, Sharp, herO, Mind, Rain
Weak players with some chances: Mong, JyJ, sSak, Larva, huro, RoyaL, PianO, Speed
Happy to be here: Scan, Ample, Shine, Calm, Leta

With lots of Terrans, Snow's best matchup puts him up at the top and forces Zergs to dodge them. Given we have 2 Protosses seeded already into the Ro16, I fully expect them to try to pull good TvTers into their groups to entice them to pick other Terrans. First pick with Soma also means there's always the chance players try to take him down and drag other Zergs into the group to allow them to cannibalize each other.

FlaSh is the best TvT in the history of Brood War so he's obviously going to the top, and in knockout stages, his preparation is second to none too.

Soma at the top naturally as defending champion. But less of a chance with all these Terrans and less Protoss to feast on.
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1684 Posts
3 hours ago
#69
On March 22 2026 15:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
Title Contenders: FlaSh, Soma, Snow
Finalist Hopefuls: Light, Soulkey
Bracket stage warriors: Best, Bisu, Rush, Jaedong
Bracket darkhorses: BarrackS, ZerO, Sharp, herO, Mind, Rain
Weak players with some chances: Mong, JyJ, sSak, Larva, huro, RoyaL, PianO, Speed
Happy to be here: Scan, Ample, Shine, Calm, Leta

With lots of Terrans, Snow's best matchup puts him up at the top and forces Zergs to dodge them. Given we have 2 Protosses seeded already into the Ro16, I fully expect them to try to pull good TvTers into their groups to entice them to pick other Terrans. First pick with Soma also means there's always the chance players try to take him down and drag other Zergs into the group to allow them to cannibalize each other.

FlaSh is the best TvT in the history of Brood War so he's obviously going to the top, and in knockout stages, his preparation is second to none too.

Soma at the top naturally as defending champion. But less of a chance with all these Terrans and less Protoss to feast on.


Looks very accurate to me. I would only make a slight modification by putting SK in title contenders. With so many terran, it is not impossible that he stomps this ASL once more. He destroyed Light 4/1 and killed Flash 4/2 (was not streaming but Flash yes) not long ago, his mind game is beyond all current terran for sure. He needs to avoid zvz though coze he won't make it vs JD. Overall, Flash looks the most solid title contender regardless of the match up.
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