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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 10 2026 20:18 GMT
#21
YSC is an Ex-Pro with team experience. Most successful pro-license players without pro-team experience are Soma and Brain. Most successful non-pro without a pro-license is Scan. Everyone else who has made it to the Round of 16 has a pro-license + was signed to a team in Kespa. Now being signed to a team =/= having experience in pro matches because many played no official pro games, but were part of a team.
JDON MY SOUL!
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
March 10 2026 21:45 GMT
#22
Based on these results, are the maps terran favored or the most terran favored of all time?
日本語が分かりますか
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
March 11 2026 10:50 GMT
#23
From my point of view the terran edge especially over P is based on current meta and how terrans adapted to current maps and play. They learned to avoid and defend early game harass agro / reaver madness that mini and especially snow heavily utilised in past years together with fantastic game plans with very strong 2 base timings or if they skip that or feel that they lost some beat doing the agro stage, just go with 3 base 8-10 factories and get really early 200/200 army and then it is all about movement and execution (avoiding templar storms), because at that point protoss really struggles.
I am also not surpriced that Organ did it, because he watches / casts soooo many high tier games and himself being reasonably capable of executing, there he is..
never too old for starcraft :)
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-11 13:41:21
March 11 2026 13:39 GMT
#24
On March 11 2026 06:45 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Based on these results, are the maps terran favored or the most terran favored of all time?

Its hard to call tbh. The top ranks on Eloboard are currently almost all zerg. Somewhat implies the map pool is zerg favored. But the map pool could very well be terran favored.

edit correction: beforw yesterday it was largely zergs, but at this point in time rush and light climbed a few spots and some zergs dropped a few spots. before yesterday it was jaedong flash soma action queen hero and then terran and a protoss.
JDON MY SOUL!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5631 Posts
March 11 2026 15:49 GMT
#25
I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks.
FBH #1!
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5631 Posts
March 11 2026 15:52 GMT
#26
My dream is Snow vs Flash/JD finals, since Best would choke anyway and Bisu lacks competitive hunger.
FBH #1!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 11 2026 16:11 GMT
#27
On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote:
I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks.


Jangbi was the next big thing. A more consistent Rain would've been great. A SnOw not held back by family commitments would probably be the next ASL champion. But he's cut back on his play time by like 50% so he's not able to grow or maintain peak form.
JDON MY SOUL!
Destroyer
Profile Joined October 2002
Czech Republic949 Posts
March 11 2026 17:09 GMT
#28
On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote:
I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks.


I miss him so much.
never too old for starcraft :)
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5183 Posts
March 11 2026 18:32 GMT
#29
On March 12 2026 00:52 Peeano wrote:
My dream is Snow vs Flash/JD finals, since Best would choke anyway and Bisu lacks competitive hunger.


I want JD/Flash finals with JD overcoming his choking vs Flash and finally winning. But that's way too nostalgic and extremely corny as well.
Taxes are for Terrans
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8675 Posts
March 11 2026 21:53 GMT
#30
I would like to see Flash lose in the Ro24 in two TvTs and relive some MSL nostalgia.

Jokes aside, some of these groups are hard to call imho. I think I will go with these predictions:

Group A: Sharp, Rain
Group B: Soulkey, Ssak (not sure if Jyj is still slumping)
Group C: Larva, Shine (literally a toss-up group...)
Group D: Light, Mind
Group E: Rush, Flash (Speed got a decent shot)
Group F: Best, Zero (could as well be JD)
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States388 Posts
March 12 2026 02:57 GMT
#31
How did a Ro24 with the most terrans ever end up with a group with no terrans?

I hope we get crowd shots of group E, i wanna see how many people are gonna stay for a TvT slug fest even with Flash.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
March 12 2026 16:22 GMT
#32
Who I want:

A: Mong Scan
B: Soulkey Ample
C: HerO Larva
D: Light Royal
E: FlaSh Speed
F: Best Jaedong

Who I think:

A: Mong Rain
B: Soulkey sSak
C: HerO Larva
D: Light Royal
E: FlaSh Rush
F: Best Jaedong
JDON MY SOUL!
bulbousbrain
Profile Joined February 2026
14 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-13 06:06:23
March 13 2026 06:00 GMT
#33
On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.


(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/2

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2026/1

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/1

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2024/5

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/4

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/3

You keep saying Mini's been so good in KCM, which I watch religiously every week, and I don't agree at all, so I got curious and looked it up. Uh, not really. He's been okay. Nothing special, and zero (unless I missed one) big weeks in a looong time. Don't care about sponmatches or Proleague. I suspect you just be saying random shit.

His skill looks topped out to me. Good player, sometimes very good player, but not consistently great, and definitely not a championship-caliber player. More like the Sharp of Protoss at best. Fun player, but you never expect Sharp to reliably compete v the very best in the world. Sharp's good v Protoss, gets washed v top Zergs, is good vT (a MU I couldn't care less about). Sharp puts on a good show but rarely consistently beats the top players. Sounds like Mini to me.

Mini's really good at early game micro and timing attacks/turning small early-game advantages into devastating attacks. He's not good at late game army management, mid-late game on decision-making, and doesn't have great Reaver control. Early game micro means he's great v players he's better than and worse vs players he's worse than because early game micro doesn't mean much v the best in the world. It's routinely deflected. So he's resorted to a lot of risky builds to get a mid-game advantage, and if it doesn't work out he loses quite badly. Those are the patterns I see in his play.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2198 Posts
March 13 2026 11:48 GMT
#34
I used to have more patience for TvT but I've been zoning out of them for the last few ASLs... let's hope we get some cool Flash games at least.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5631 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-13 12:50:20
March 13 2026 12:49 GMT
#35
TvT just ain't worth it unless it's Flash Vs FBH. Or that 1 Boxer Vs HiyA game.
Edit: Also Boxer Vs Flash on Python
FBH #1!
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-03-13 20:09:54
March 13 2026 20:09 GMT
#36
On March 13 2026 15:00 bulbousbrain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.


(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/2

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2026/1

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/1

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2024/5

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/4

(Wiki)KCM/Race Survival/2025/3

You keep saying Mini's been so good in KCM, which I watch religiously every week, and I don't agree at all, so I got curious and looked it up. Uh, not really. He's been okay. Nothing special, and zero (unless I missed one) big weeks in a looong time. Don't care about sponmatches or Proleague. I suspect you just be saying random shit.

His skill looks topped out to me. Good player, sometimes very good player, but not consistently great, and definitely not a championship-caliber player. More like the Sharp of Protoss at best. Fun player, but you never expect Sharp to reliably compete v the very best in the world. Sharp's good v Protoss, gets washed v top Zergs, is good vT (a MU I couldn't care less about). Sharp puts on a good show but rarely consistently beats the top players. Sounds like Mini to me.

Mini's really good at early game micro and timing attacks/turning small early-game advantages into devastating attacks. He's not good at late game army management, mid-late game on decision-making, and doesn't have great Reaver control. Early game micro means he's great v players he's better than and worse vs players he's worse than because early game micro doesn't mean much v the best in the world. It's routinely deflected. So he's resorted to a lot of risky builds to get a mid-game advantage, and if it doesn't work out he loses quite badly. Those are the patterns I see in his play.


https://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=rank_list

Mini is now rank #2 on eloboard, meaning he is the 2nd best performing player at this exact point in time in online play. Mini went 3-2 in KCM 2026 season 1. not bad, about average I would say but its a very small number of matches played.

http://eloboard.com/men/bbs/board.php?bo_table=bj_list&wr_id=38
If we look at his match history he performs about the EXACT same as the other top protoss players do in terms of win percentage, difference being his opponents are almost exlusively top ranked for their respective races. The Idea that Mini does poorly vs top 4 of each race is not supported by data. Even your KCM data does not support it for the present.



JDON MY SOUL!
Postalpj
Profile Joined March 2026
13 Posts
March 14 2026 14:21 GMT
#37
Can anyone recall a tournament with this lopsided of faction distribution?

I won’t rehash the obvious reasons Protoss is playing handicapped, but I will say we need custom maps or something to undo the reaver nerf. Such an amazing unit. powerful, but cannot be massed. Having a built in delay after unloaded isn’t needed in the modern top tier brood war.

Reavers and Templars are so cool and impactful with 0 attack move potential. The perfect set up for skill expression.


If you watch a pvt and count how much damage is done by reavers and storm combined then compare it spider mines (not even counting vultures), the mines win almost every game. Aiur needs to be unchained or it will fade away.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5624 Posts
March 14 2026 16:44 GMT
#38
On March 14 2026 23:21 Postalpj wrote:
Can anyone recall a tournament with this lopsided of faction distribution?

Blizzcon 2009
don't wall off against random
Postalpj
Profile Joined March 2026
13 Posts
March 14 2026 18:17 GMT
#39
On March 15 2026 01:44 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2026 23:21 Postalpj wrote:
Can anyone recall a tournament with this lopsided of faction distribution?

Blizzcon 2009



lol 😂 it was an invitational so why waste your time inviting people that you know won’t win
Poegim
Profile Joined February 2017
Poland293 Posts
March 14 2026 19:37 GMT
#40
On March 15 2026 03:17 Postalpj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2026 01:44 rotta wrote:
On March 14 2026 23:21 Postalpj wrote:
Can anyone recall a tournament with this lopsided of faction distribution?

Blizzcon 2009



lol 😂 it was an invitational so why waste your time inviting people that you know won’t win


XDDDDDD!! true
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