ASL21 General Discussion

On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.

On March 09 2026 23:58 doktordingerdonger wrote:
There is no wonder why terrans get into ASL so much with tesagi, but fail to convert it because all they do is farm abuse TvZ imbalance while avoiding the balanced PvT. There are 122 TvZs on the list vs 19(!) PvT



So they will fail hard again in ASL but it doesn't matter because the money is elsewhere... waste of ASL slots really

On March 10 2026 01:19 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:



That first claim is not quite accurate. Most Protoss avoid spons beside the chinese woniu or the starcast spons, of which most are NOT documented on Eloboard because Starcast wants exclusivity to the broadcast and asks players not to stream it. Woniu spons also half thr time have one player not streaming it. Eloboard needs both players to have streamed it, or it has to be an official event. So A LOT of protoss spons are missing. Woniu and Starcast happen pretty much daily. We are missing 30-50 games a week. The zergs on the other hand play a lot of spons, and because the tosses arent, they have to play vs terrans.

So it is definitely not an avoidance by the terrans. It is top protoss being very selective in what they play.

On March 10 2026 20:41 vndestiny wrote:


Huh that’s interesting, TIL a few things.
Though naturally it brings up a few question

1. Why eloboard entry needs both players stream, not just 1? I can’t quite hypothesize the reason.
2. How come Protoss in particular is more selective in spons compare to their peers?

On March 11 2026 03:10 Ideas wrote:
Is this the year of YSC? He seems like the most successful amateur/non-kespa player after soma, no? Would love to see a new protoss able to compete.

Not saying he's going to win anything or even make the Ro16 (but hes got a shot with his group), but would just like to see him not get completely stomped by any pro haha.

predictions:
sharp/mong
soulkey/ssak
larva/hero
light/royal
flash/rush
best/jd

On March 11 2026 03:53 Vasoline73 wrote:
Although it’s unlikely I think Speed/Rush could both upset Flash in Bo1…

Flash is the GOAT though so, I’m sure he’ll be alright.

On March 11 2026 06:45 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Based on these results, are the maps terran favored or the most terran favored of all time?

On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote:
I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks.

On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote:
I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks.

On March 12 2026 00:52 Peeano wrote:
My dream is Snow vs Flash/JD finals, since Best would choke anyway and Bisu lacks competitive hunger.

On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2.

Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch.

Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best.

It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly.

Action also looked good but failed.

On March 13 2026 15:00 bulbousbrain wrote:


KCM/Race Survival/2025/2

KCM/Race Survival/2026/1

KCM/Race Survival/2025/1

KCM/Race Survival/2024/5

KCM/Race Survival/2025/4

KCM/Race Survival/2025/3

You keep saying Mini's been so good in KCM, which I watch religiously every week, and I don't agree at all, so I got curious and looked it up. Uh, not really. He's been okay. Nothing special, and zero (unless I missed one) big weeks in a looong time. Don't care about sponmatches or Proleague. I suspect you just be saying random shit.

His skill looks topped out to me. Good player, sometimes very good player, but not consistently great, and definitely not a championship-caliber player. More like the Sharp of Protoss at best. Fun player, but you never expect Sharp to reliably compete v the very best in the world. Sharp's good v Protoss, gets washed v top Zergs, is good vT (a MU I couldn't care less about). Sharp puts on a good show but rarely consistently beats the top players. Sounds like Mini to me.

Mini's really good at early game micro and timing attacks/turning small early-game advantages into devastating attacks. He's not good at late game army management, mid-late game on decision-making, and doesn't have great Reaver control. Early game micro means he's great v players he's better than and worse vs players he's worse than because early game micro doesn't mean much v the best in the world. It's routinely deflected. So he's resorted to a lot of risky builds to get a mid-game advantage, and if it doesn't work out he loses quite badly. Those are the patterns I see in his play.

On March 15 2026 01:44 rotta wrote:

Blizzcon 2009

On March 15 2026 03:17 Postalpj wrote:



lol 😂 it was an invitational so why waste your time inviting people that you know won’t win

On March 15 2026 06:32 GTR wrote:


2004-2005 IOPS OSL had only 1 Protoss player qualify out of 16 while 2006-2007 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 had 2 Protoss players out of 24

On March 16 2026 09:14 oxKnu wrote:
Mini not qualifying is really sad. Just a few days ago he had a full clean sweep in a set in online Proleague. It was pure demolition. All of your favorite players involved too.

To be honest, might be the best player in SC right now, if we take into account the fact that zergs get free wins on some of these maps against P. (not particularly new but anyway)

But I'm not surprised to see this. This is what happens when you have multitude of years of Terran-favored/protected mappools. The other races fall behind and everything becomes a conjuncture (like Soma drilling through Protoss for example).

That dude that does the mappools is slowly killing the game. ASL in 2017-2021 was so incredible to watch.

On March 17 2026 18:48 RogerChillingworth wrote:



Couldn't have said it better. 20 points is awarded to Ravenclaw. And on that note 50 points from Hufflepuff, i.e. everyone stroking Flash and Snow's carrot.

Mini is way better than Flash. He's like Rocky Road ice cream. Flash is like a really great vanilla but he's still part of the Neapolitan. And then you have the people that go face first into the strawberry (Snow fans). Like all the strawb is gone and the vanilla and chocolate is still at the top wtf.

Like not everyone loves Rocky Road but it's objectively better than Neopal. People just like consistency I guess, even if it's the quality of watery mayonnaise. W/e.

It's sad indeed but Mini only has himself to blame after going only 4-5 to Light, falling to 2 cheeses as well, then dying to Mong and Saak a week later? I guess it was Friday the 13th or something. Maybe one day Mini will get angry again and make skin suits out of everyone. Until then I guess we have to root for Best's best bellyflop. Pretty sad state of affairs. AND ON THESE MAPS??

On March 17 2026 19:37 Peeano wrote:
Liquibets are open, make sure you submit your first votes before the weekend ends.

Thanks BisuDagger!

On March 18 2026 04:20 Miragee wrote:


That's...an analogy. Also wtf is rocky road?



<3

On March 18 2026 21:14 RogerChillingworth wrote:
S: Santa Clause, Darth Vader, Mini, Mini's cat, a Japanese strawberry
A: soma, sSaK, Larva, Best
F: Snow, Flash, Artosis, very green bananas
Z-: The Academy Awards, opinions on the internet, people who don't cover their mouth when they cough, leaf blowers

On March 21 2026 17:10 GTR wrote:


Game 1 and 2 - Octagon
Winners and Losers - Last remaining map between Attitude, Match Point and Jane Doe
Final - Last remaining map between Knockout, Neo Sylphid and Pole Star

On March 21 2026 22:35 zutt0 wrote:
Tier List:

S: Flash
A: Soma, Snow, Bisu
B: Rush, Light, Jaedong, hero, Soulkey, Best
C: Barracks, Royal, Sharp, Queen, Larva, Rain
D: sSak JyJ, Mind, Speed, Mong, Scan, Shine, huro
E: Piano, Ample, Leta, Calm

S means favorite to win, A means potential to win and expected to make a good run, B means real potential to make a deep run but unlikely to win, C means a decent chance at Ro8 but probably not a deep run, D means real chances at Ro16 but probably not Ro8, E means Ro24 fodder.

Of these, I have the most uncertainty about Soulkey, Rain, Speed, and Shine. Soulkey has been doing poorly but we know he has it in him to be a championship level player. Rain, Speed, and Shine have too little data to have much of an idea of what's going on.

For groups, I've got:
A: Sharp, Rain
B: Soulkey, sSak
C: hero, Larva
D: Light, Royal
E: Flash, Rush
F: Jaedong, Best

On March 22 2026 15:22 FlaShFTW wrote:
Title Contenders: FlaSh, Soma, Snow
Finalist Hopefuls: Light, Soulkey
Bracket stage warriors: Best, Bisu, Rush, Jaedong
Bracket darkhorses: BarrackS, ZerO, Sharp, herO, Mind, Rain
Weak players with some chances: Mong, JyJ, sSak, Larva, huro, RoyaL, PianO, Speed
Happy to be here: Scan, Ample, Shine, Calm, Leta

With lots of Terrans, Snow's best matchup puts him up at the top and forces Zergs to dodge them. Given we have 2 Protosses seeded already into the Ro16, I fully expect them to try to pull good TvTers into their groups to entice them to pick other Terrans. First pick with Soma also means there's always the chance players try to take him down and drag other Zergs into the group to allow them to cannibalize each other.

FlaSh is the best TvT in the history of Brood War so he's obviously going to the top, and in knockout stages, his preparation is second to none too.

Soma at the top naturally as defending champion. But less of a chance with all these Terrans and less Protoss to feast on.

On March 24 2026 08:56 Whiztard wrote:
Do we know the venue of the ASL finals yet? I will be in Korea at that time.

On March 25 2026 14:17 a-game wrote:
How the hell did they manage to organize all the groups into mirror match overdose.

On March 25 2026 21:12 doktordingerdonger wrote:
The JD, Queen, Best, Leta group is by far the most annoying one it seems. Just for Leta, both Z would have to prepare much much more due to his style. Everyone have to prepare 3 different matchups.

A decisive win in this group probably gives us the ASL winner

On March 25 2026 21:55 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

Nah, Leta's style is outdated and has been figured out. I have seen a lot of present day Leta games and I think his style matches up terribly in the modern meta.

Now watch me eat my words next week as he wins the group.

On March 26 2026 01:12 FlaShFTW wrote:

As a caster who wanted to go to bed, I loved ZvZs and hated TvTs with a passion.

On March 30 2026 04:45 Qikz wrote:
I think ZvZ is the most disappointing, but I think it's mostly just down to how zerg is designed. Lings and Mutas are just so good that if you try and go for anything else you're going to be stuck on 2 base forever and die unless you have like a pocket third or something you can spore up on and pray you can get to plague/devourers.

On April 02 2026 14:54 a-game wrote:
No pro matches today, I'm going through withdrawal lol

On April 02 2026 19:49 Simplistik wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the tag line 'The First, The Last'?
I don't get it.

On April 02 2026 19:49 Simplistik wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the tag line 'The First, The Last'?
I don't get it.

On April 02 2026 19:49 Simplistik wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the tag line 'The First, The Last'?
I don't get it.

On April 02 2026 20:06 mtcn77 wrote:

Someone asked it, too. I thought it was tongue in cheek act stupid moment how I missed it the first time.
It is the first televised esports. It will probably be the last. You can watch group B. Artosis goes on about how smash and counterstrike are the only other games with a following audience.

On April 02 2026 23:48 evilfatsh1t wrote:
what the heck is microsoft edition lol
havent been paying attention to new releases apparently

On April 03 2026 01:13 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

They are working on a mobile phone starcraft version at Microsoft

On April 02 2026 19:49 Simplistik wrote:
Can anyone shed some light on the tag line 'The First, The Last'?
I don't get it.

On April 03 2026 19:03 Terrorbladder wrote:
I'm OOTL, what happened to Soulkey and Mini?

On April 03 2026 23:29 Miragee wrote:

- I enjoyed the builds Piano brought but I thought Speed played much better. Sad to see him drop out.

On April 03 2026 01:10 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:



At this point League of Legenda counts too. Its 15 years old and still one of the most popular esports.

On March 21 2026 17:10 GTR wrote:


Game 1 and 2 - Octagon
Winners and Losers - Last remaining map between Attitude, Match Point and Jane Doe
Final - Last remaining map between Knockout, Neo Sylphid and Pole Star

On April 04 2026 01:38 Zografa wrote:
i just dont see how anyone but Flash is going to win this season, tell me if im wrong

On April 04 2026 05:29 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


I can see SnOw take the season. He's back at rank #1 on eloboard and seems to be smashing.

On April 06 2026 20:12 RowdierBob wrote:
Soma can pull an awesome troll job at the end and put Bisu, JD and Flash in the same group.

On April 06 2026 20:30 Zografa wrote:
Bisu JD Flash in the same group is programmed

On April 06 2026 20:45 spets1 wrote:
What was the swap from soma?

On April 06 2026 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
Strange choice from Soma at the end there. Logic was to put Light into group C and take out 2 of Flash/JD/Bisu/Light

On April 06 2026 20:50 Biff The Understudy wrote:
I am curious, why did JD pick Flash rather than Light? He is way more scary right now.

Maybe he thought Soma would swap Flash and Ample every time if he did that?

On April 06 2026 21:35 VioleTAK wrote:
I really don't like Bisu Flash and JD at the same group. Seeing the three of them together this ASL was a dream come true, but not in the Ro16... It'll be very cool, but far too soon.

On April 04 2026 07:18 Miragee wrote:


In before, Snow's Ro16 group will be Hero, JD, Rain.

On April 06 2026 20:44 prosatan wrote:
Group A (13 april)

soma
tulbo
Sharp
sSak

Group B (14 april)

Snow
Piano
Hero
Rain

Group C (20 april)

Bisu
Ample
Jaedong
Flash

Group D (21 april)

Rax
Leta
Royal
Light

On April 06 2026 22:55 BLinD-RawR wrote:
this isn't the first time Flash Jaedong and Bisu shared a group, they were in the Ro32 of ABCMart MSL back in 2011, only difference is that its Ample now instead of Sea in the 4th position.

On April 06 2026 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
Strange choice from Soma at the end there. Logic was to put Light into group C and take out 2 of Flash/JD/Bisu/Light

On April 06 2026 21:05 Simplistik wrote:
I think tulbo has a chance to get out.

The weather combo should make it as well.

Maybe Bisu is the Protoss with the worst odds here? He will have to beat JD to go through I guess. Can't see him beat Flash in Bo3. Tough one.

On April 07 2026 02:59 byj wrote:
Wtf is this Group C
Let's hope JD makes it out! Looks like his Bo1 will be worth the same as a Bo3 if he were to lose

Also looks like they put all big Os into group B hehe

On April 06 2026 20:44 RowdierBob wrote:
Strange choice from Soma at the end there. Logic was to put Light into group C and take out 2 of Flash/JD/Bisu/Light

On April 06 2026 21:13 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Sucks to be Bisu and Ample

On April 07 2026 10:33 TonDan04 wrote:
how come bisu is in this?

On April 09 2026 02:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Bisu is looking really solid pvz. his PvT is weak tho. But proly good enough to beat Ample. Jaedong insane peak is gone and his form is not as brilliant as past weeks. But i think he should advance second. Not worth saying shit about FlaSh. Guy doesnt even play proleague he is solely focused in ASL.

On April 09 2026 02:30 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Bisu is looking really solid pvz. his PvT is weak tho. But proly good enough to beat Ample. Jaedong insane peak is gone and his form is not as brilliant as past weeks. But i think he should advance second. Not worth saying shit about FlaSh. Guy doesnt even play proleague he is solely focused in ASL.

On April 10 2026 04:28 Trizz wrote:
Does anyone know where you can find betting odds? Trying to host a play-money betting event for fun on discord but I can't find anything on it.

On April 03 2026 11:11 SCRVN wrote:
Group A: Soma, YSC, Ample, Royal

Group B: Snow, Piano, Hero, Rain

Group C: Bisu, Leta, Flash, Jaedong

Group D: Barracks, Ssak, Light, Sharp

On April 10 2026 04:28 Trizz wrote:
Does anyone know where you can find betting odds? Trying to host a play-money betting event for fun on discord but I can't find anything on it.

On April 10 2026 20:58 haegN wrote:
Tastosis just ignored the group selection or what is going on there?

On April 10 2026 20:58 haegN wrote:
Tastosis just ignored the group selection or what is going on there?

On April 11 2026 00:01 IntoTheEmo wrote:


I swapped to StarCast for the last few seasons but I think for Tastosis - based on the feedback they got, people like hard subs, so while they can't hard sub normal game interviews because they wanna push the games out ASAP, they hard sub the group selection process so people get the 100% undiluted version of what the players are saying.

That takes time, so the group selection video comes out a bit later. You can check their old group selection videos, they should be on the channel.

SCRVN wrote:
5. Flash would choose Jaedong and Jaedong would choose Flash. They think they can beat each other and they should have to do it.

On April 13 2026 15:10 polgas wrote:
Ooh tough choice for JD. Between the 2, Light is arguably tougher than Flash.

On April 13 2026 15:10 polgas wrote:
Ooh tough choice for JD. Between the 2, Light is arguably tougher than Flash.

On April 13 2026 16:36 evilfatsh1t wrote:
imagine calling light the lowest of the low of all terrans. your starcraft knowledge never ceases to amaze me

On April 14 2026 14:28 goody153 wrote:
Flash and Jaedong wanting to play each other is so peak ngl. They actually giving what the audience wants since they may not meet in the finals but at least they have a chance to play each other once

Flash is likely pulling up but i hope Jaedong carries his form this r16

On April 15 2026 08:18 a-game wrote:
Group of death tonight, hypuuuu

On April 14 2026 15:47 mtcn77 wrote:

Old timers really carry the scene forward. No cowardly nonsense, I'm talking about you Soulkey & Soma. I get teary when I'm thinking of Leta and Piano and how lucky we have been to experience all Starcraft can be. You guys are the best.
PS: I hope for the day someone will reinvent protoss with your no reverse gear play.

On April 15 2026 16:16 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:


Wait, isn't soulkey also an old timer? Is this a different soulkey from Neo.G_Soulkey?

On April 15 2026 16:52 mtcn77 wrote:

I call them out on their groupstage shenanigans. Look at flash bisu jaedong in a single group and ample making it all happen.
TL;DR: there is a funny moment that is repeatedly played out one after another in humourous fashion throughout the groupstage selection ceremony.
Ample knocked out soulkey and therefore he said why stop at one, I'll knock out 2 ASL champions and selected jaedong out of the blue. Bisu was in shatters, "I should have picked Leta". It was really funny how every tier 4 did the same thing. It is like they bring ladder mentality or something. Soma could only stop tulbo and hero's group of death pick by calling them out on their bluff, "Look if you pick flash, you aren't getting out of this group".

On April 15 2026 20:46 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:


Note that last time Ample was in ASL, he knocked Bisu out in the Round of 16. Ample is known for knocking favorites out of the ASL, against all odds and expectations.

On April 17 2026 03:16 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
I already placed my liquibets on Jaedong but i think he looking really bad for Monday. I think the FlaSh /Bisu is the most likely outcome.

On April 18 2026 05:26 Smorrie wrote:
3-4 weeks ago his form was referred 'unstoppable'.. 2 weeks ago 'JvZ' was the flavor of the week. Now his form is bad again because he's been dropping some games. You're as good as your last performance I guess.

I'd say he's in pretty solid form right now, just not as dominant. His baseline isn't perfect and he still drops games but his ability to peak is clearly present in his current form. His mindset seems in a good place as well, he just has to peak at the right moment. Taking all of that into consideration I'd say he won't make it into the Ro8 as per usual.

On April 18 2026 19:08 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

You seems to be very passionate about Jaedong Encore results tho. By that metric every pro is doing poor lol. My feedback has been from watching proleagues and sponsored practise games he has been playing. He is doing poor recently. Bisu on the contrary has been a ''knife'' in pvz but no so good at TvP. So we will see how that goes. Cuz if Bisu actually fail to beat Ample and he meet JD at losers then this group will be onfire.

it is very possible poor results in non ASL matches simply means holding builds / focus / map strategies and practicing specifically for group c...

edit: hopium? TT