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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50641 Posts
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DoctorLife
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Lot of terran. Going to be a lot of tvt to start at least | ||
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Urth
United States1253 Posts
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felleN
Australia72 Posts
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines410 Posts
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TMNT
3122 Posts
For every season, the lineup for Protoss has always been Bisu Best Snow Mini + Stork + Rain (when he plays) + one or two of Shuttle YSC Free Tyson Motive Paralyze..., so the expected Ps will alway be 6-9 anyway. This season we have some freak results where Mini and Stork essentially lost 4 Bo3 to Mong sSak Piano Scan. Some will say Mini is in a slump and Stork is washed etc. but I think it's just matchup volatility and if the qualifiers were played again with the same exact opponents, they would beat them 9 out of 10 times. These freak results have happened before. Didn't Queen, JYJ, Sharp, Action all fail to qualify once in recent seasons? It probably would help if the last map weren't Polestar though - the map has 60.3% TvZ and 57.5% TvP. If it were Radeon, maybe Stork would have beaten Piano in day 1, Mini would have beaten Mong/sSak, and Action would have beaten Leta, and we would be looking at 7 12 9 distribution. Not that it's balanced but it's better. | ||
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SCRVN
141 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Group A - Sharp, Scan Group B - Soulkey, JyJ Group C - Larva, Shine Group D - Light, RoyaL Group E - FlaSh, Rush Group F - Best, JD | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch. Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best. It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly. Action also looked good but failed. | ||
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Ideas
United States8166 Posts
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doktordingerdonger
43 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/8jO8QD5.png) So they will fail hard again in ASL but it doesn't matter because the money is elsewhere... waste of ASL slots really | ||
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doktordingerdonger
43 Posts
On March 09 2026 21:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Also the low numbers of zergs can be attributed to Effort not signing up, and loads of ZvZ eliminations in qualifiers day 2. Although 8 zergs is not that low. But they did elimimate each other a bunch. Also anyone saying Mini is washed up has NOT been following Kcm, spons, or proleagues. He was just behind with Bisu for currently best performing Protoss. Yes. Even better than SnOw(slight slump) and Best. It really is just one of those few times where "lessers players" perform their best and win. TMNT mentioned knockup possibly playing a part in this and I agree slightly. Action also looked good but failed. There have been 2 tvt finals and 4 zvzs... even if all zergs in the finals would go through and all terrans in the tvt finals would not,aka 4 extra slots just for zergs and 2 fewer slots for terrans, even with this ridiculous format we would still have 13 terrans and 12 zergs. Also all zvzs have been in the second qualifier, after the better terrans made it through, so there is no wonder we have a bunch of mirrors in day 2. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5761 Posts
Group A - Rain, Mong Group B - Soulkey, JyJ Group C - Larva, huro Group D - Light, RoyaL Group E - FlaSh, Speed Group F - Best, JD | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
On March 09 2026 23:58 doktordingerdonger wrote: There is no wonder why terrans get into ASL so much with tesagi, but fail to convert it because all they do is farm abuse TvZ imbalance while avoiding the balanced PvT. There are 122 TvZs on the list vs 19(!) PvT So they will fail hard again in ASL but it doesn't matter because the money is elsewhere... waste of ASL slots really That first claim is not quite accurate. Most Protoss avoid spons beside the chinese woniu or the starcast spons, of which most are NOT documented on Eloboard because Starcast wants exclusivity to the broadcast and asks players not to stream it. Woniu spons also half thr time have one player not streaming it. Eloboard needs both players to have streamed it, or it has to be an official event. So A LOT of protoss spons are missing. Woniu and Starcast happen pretty much daily. We are missing 30-50 games a week. The zergs on the other hand play a lot of spons, and because the tosses arent, they have to play vs terrans. So it is definitely not an avoidance by the terrans. It is top protoss being very selective in what they play. | ||
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vndestiny
Singapore3449 Posts
On March 10 2026 01:19 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: That first claim is not quite accurate. Most Protoss avoid spons beside the chinese woniu or the starcast spons, of which most are NOT documented on Eloboard because Starcast wants exclusivity to the broadcast and asks players not to stream it. Woniu spons also half thr time have one player not streaming it. Eloboard needs both players to have streamed it, or it has to be an official event. So A LOT of protoss spons are missing. Woniu and Starcast happen pretty much daily. We are missing 30-50 games a week. The zergs on the other hand play a lot of spons, and because the tosses arent, they have to play vs terrans. So it is definitely not an avoidance by the terrans. It is top protoss being very selective in what they play. Huh that’s interesting, TIL a few things. Though naturally it brings up a few question 1. Why eloboard entry needs both players stream, not just 1? I can’t quite hypothesize the reason. 2. How come Protoss in particular is more selective in spons compare to their peers? | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
On March 10 2026 20:41 vndestiny wrote: Huh that’s interesting, TIL a few things. Though naturally it brings up a few question 1. Why eloboard entry needs both players stream, not just 1? I can’t quite hypothesize the reason. 2. How come Protoss in particular is more selective in spons compare to their peers? I honestly dont know why the point 1 exists, but perhaps to prevent cheating by having evidence from both perspectives. point 2 I is hard to conclude why but I can speculate. I know SnOw streams less since becoming a father so he might just be more efficient with his time. Chinese spon is planned in advance, and proleagues have a set time and happen almost daily. By picking these two events to play it is easier to plan and less time consuming, plus it guarantees that time spent on BW also generates income. Many others stream for longer periods of time and have more time to fill with "uncertainty" with their activities during stream. Others generally ladder a bit, maybe get a viewer sponsor match, browse other streams, or they coach. I do know that Rain plays almost NO sponsor games, plays ladder semi-seriously, plays proleagues, and messes about a bunch on stream. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5231 Posts
 Rain got in, but then I saw his qualifier group. What a joke.Tbf  Flash also had an easy one, but not like he needed that.Sea completely dodged qualifiers? lol Calm did it again? Wow... He really is brainy, huh?I'm very sad Mini didn't qualify, but I heard Mong was doing well recently (like all Terrans?)Better luck next time! Luckily Shine can still give us a show in the first rounds.Good luck to YSC and Scan!! | ||
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Ideas
United States8166 Posts
Not saying he's going to win anything or even make the Ro16 (but hes got a shot with his group), but would just like to see him not get completely stomped by any pro haha. predictions: sharp/mong soulkey/ssak larva/hero light/royal flash/rush best/jd | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7833 Posts
Flash is the GOAT though so, I’m sure he’ll be alright. | ||
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Puosu
7005 Posts
On March 11 2026 03:10 Ideas wrote: Is this the year of YSC? He seems like the most successful amateur/non-kespa player after soma, no? Would love to see a new protoss able to compete. Not saying he's going to win anything or even make the Ro16 (but hes got a shot with his group), but would just like to see him not get completely stomped by any pro haha. predictions: sharp/mong soulkey/ssak larva/hero light/royal flash/rush best/jd this is young YSC (pic from https://namu.wiki/w/윤수철 ) ![[image loading]](https://i.namu.wiki/i/gimcXacipw6dfYGf0nESwo9myXKC_CppGn4T8KSXcc_QxOHbNkLA0mRdgIZLQWP_ocYxn1rykziK9SgXFlrAfY-w4JvoK5pUYkjbbpUBwiAAo8KydmrOTY0tZZuvh_E8POYcgEGfu67dFZ8Xl_bS5F2ytvephAELLCQy3HFIfFI.webp) so there's at least some kespa affiliation ^^ | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4141 Posts
On March 11 2026 03:53 Vasoline73 wrote: Although it’s unlikely I think Speed/Rush could both upset Flash in Bo1… Flash is the GOAT though so, I’m sure he’ll be alright. TvT is the most upsets unfriendly match up though | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7231 Posts
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Destroyer
Czech Republic939 Posts
I am also not surpriced that Organ did it, because he watches / casts soooo many high tier games and himself being reasonably capable of executing, there he is.. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
On March 11 2026 06:45 NovaTheFeared wrote: Based on these results, are the maps terran favored or the most terran favored of all time? Its hard to call tbh. The top ranks on Eloboard are currently almost all zerg. Somewhat implies the map pool is zerg favored. But the map pool could very well be terran favored. edit correction: beforw yesterday it was largely zergs, but at this point in time rush and light climbed a few spots and some zergs dropped a few spots. before yesterday it was jaedong flash soma action queen hero and then terran and a protoss. | ||
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Peeano
Netherlands5231 Posts
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Peeano
Netherlands5231 Posts
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1158 Posts
On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote: I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks. Jangbi was the next big thing. A more consistent Rain would've been great. A SnOw not held back by family commitments would probably be the next ASL champion. But he's cut back on his play time by like 50% so he's not able to grow or maintain peak form. | ||
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Destroyer
Czech Republic939 Posts
On March 12 2026 00:49 Peeano wrote: I would love for a new Protoss to arise, but the truth is that I miss Jangbi. All top Protoss since have been failing to go on proper winning-when-it-matters streaks. I miss him so much. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5059 Posts
On March 12 2026 00:52 Peeano wrote: My dream is Snow vs Flash/JD finals, since Best would choke anyway and Bisu lacks competitive hunger. I want JD/Flash finals with JD overcoming his choking vs Flash and finally winning. But that's way too nostalgic and extremely corny as well. | ||
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Miragee
8646 Posts
Jokes aside, some of these groups are hard to call imho. I think I will go with these predictions: Group A: Sharp, Rain Group B: Soulkey, Ssak (not sure if Jyj is still slumping) Group C: Larva, Shine (literally a toss-up group...) Group D: Light, Mind Group E: Rush, Flash (Speed got a decent shot) Group F: Best, Zero (could as well be JD) | ||
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Lazyer
United States366 Posts
I hope we get crowd shots of group E, i wanna see how many people are gonna stay for a TvT slug fest even with Flash. | ||
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