• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:58
CEST 13:58
KST 20:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting6[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Holding On9Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4)5
Community News
Weekly Cups (Oct 6-12): Four star herO65.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8)77Weekly Cups (Sept 29-Oct 5): MaxPax triples up3PartinG joins SteamerZone, returns to SC2 competition325.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)119
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.15 Patch Balance Hotfix (2025-10-8) Revisiting the game after10 years and wow it's bad TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting The New Patch Killed Mech! Ladder Impersonation (only maybe)
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace Mutation # 494 Unstable Environment Mutation # 493 Quick Killers Mutation # 492 Get Out More
Brood War
General
BW caster Sayle BW General Discussion Map with fog of war removed for one player? Pros React To: BarrackS + FlaSh Coaching vs SnOw After 20 seasons we have a lot of great maps
Tourneys
[ASL20] Semifinal A [ASL20] Semifinal B SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Current Meta BW - ajfirecracker Strategy & Training Siegecraft - a new perspective
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Megathread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640} TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Men's Fashion Thread Sex and weight loss
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club! The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Inbreeding: Why Do We Do It…
Peanutsc
From Tilt to Ragequit:The Ps…
TrAiDoS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1090 users

Relatively freeroll strategies

Forum Index > Brood War Strategy
Post a Reply
iopq
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States971 Posts
3 hours ago
#1
Which strategies in any matchup are low investment and require more investment from the opponent to beat most of the time?

I had this discussion in one of the ASL threads, but they tend to die after a while. I still think it's a good discussion.

One of the examples is 973 since Protoss has to make cannons, but still might lose some buildings along the way and the Zerg can drone to 30+ drones any time they wish. The only real loss is the Zerg never droning and attacking into 7 or more cannons and/or storm. Or forgetting to leave some hydras to protect overlords and not being able to drone. So if you deny scouting there's no reason not to do it almost every game.

Another example is the 8 gate not quite so all-in attack vs. Zerg. Once you get storm/dragoon you force a bad muta ball into templar trade (like 11 muta for 3 templars). You can even get a dark archon to maelstrom + storm instead (but you'll be missing the 3 templars to begin with). The only loss condition is continuing to trade without storms and actually pushing in. Using a bunch of storms is basically going to put you ahead while you comfortably take a third.

One of the examples I've stated that I'm finding out personally is building a lot of mutalisk vs. Terran. Not only does it keep you safer, it makes the Terran spend more on turrets, lets you snipe more SCVs, keeps the Terran honest (can't just tech to vessel). I've tried the lower muta count strategies, but it's just harder and you don't get the free wins when the Terran doesn't cover his whole base.

What examples can you think of? Maybe going reaver against Terran? Seems like it's just always good and forces turrets/goliaths that the Terran wouldn't necessarily want to build so early
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PondCast
10:00
Episode 67
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko285
ProTech62
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32371
Calm 5495
Rain 2215
Hyuk 1943
firebathero 1354
Flash 1051
BeSt 545
Soma 465
PianO 360
Stork 299
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 266
Light 245
Mini 241
Hyun 236
Mind 229
Last 160
Snow 129
ZerO 107
Soulkey 105
Nal_rA 97
ggaemo 78
Pusan 70
Mong 63
Killer 62
Barracks 58
zelot 56
Shinee 55
hero 50
Larva 45
Rush 42
Sea.KH 37
Icarus 27
Aegong 27
JYJ26
Backho 26
sorry 23
sas.Sziky 20
Free 17
Shine 16
Movie 14
yabsab 14
Hm[arnc] 10
IntoTheRainbow 10
SilentControl 9
Terrorterran 2
Zeus 1
Dota 2
XcaliburYe783
BananaSlamJamma592
XaKoH 313
League of Legends
JimRising 403
Reynor85
Counter-Strike
olofmeister3629
shoxiejesuss506
x6flipin255
byalli203
allub139
oskar55
edward23
Other Games
summit1g5861
singsing1922
B2W.Neo570
DeMusliM279
crisheroes277
Fuzer 90
Mew2King65
rGuardiaN37
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL15214
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 96
StarCraft 2
WardiTV73
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• LUISG 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 4
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1723
Upcoming Events
OSC
2m
Wardi Open
23h 2m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 22h
Safe House 2
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Safe House 2
3 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
WardiTV TLMC #15
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
EC S1
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025

Upcoming

SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Offline Finals
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
CranK Gathers Season 2: SC II Pro Teams
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.