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5.0.15 Balance Patch Notes (Live version)
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Captain Peabody
United States3119 Posts
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dysenterymd
1246 Posts
On October 02 2025 03:10 Charoisaur wrote: Honestly, I'm really excited about the patch, this is the best patch I can remember. Balance issues will be sorted out but it really seems to promote fun gameplay from all races A more ambitious (and possibly imba) patch early in the off-season is a good idea in theory, but I'm worried the intern could leave Blizzard for good at any moment. TvP wise, I think the significance of the ghost change for late game is underappreciated, Terran will have more supply to work with when maxed. The bigger question is if the energy recharge nerfs are enough for Terran to reach late game with a half-healthy base count... | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States703 Posts
Did it ever occur to anyone that Protoss just dominates online cups because the better players choose Protoss? People are terrible. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1340 Posts
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ejozl
Denmark3426 Posts
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RogueTheGOAT
117 Posts
On October 02 2025 03:26 Captain Peabody wrote: Hearing all the Terrans complain today, I'm officially ready to buff Terran. Idk, make Mules mine more minerals or something. (I think Zerg is fine). There has literally never been a point in SC2 history that Terran players were not whining about something. There are some legitimate complaints if you think that balance matters at every level and that some really basic things shouldn't take very little skill to execute but extreme levels of skill to counter (e.g. banelings vs. countering them), but most people don't agree with that while still whining about balance that isn't actually broken at the top level. | ||
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Archeon
3259 Posts
Storm went from major nerfed to buffed? Interesting choice to be sure. Obviously everything else still sucks for toss, so probably a wash overall or slight nerf. | ||
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MiCroLiFe
Norway270 Posts
On October 02 2025 05:46 Archeon wrote: I didn't expect microbial shroud to go online like that, neither did I expect the Viking change to make it through, even if the gas reduction was cut. Interesting times. Zerg is likely the major winner of this patch. Storm went from major nerfed to buffed? Interesting choice to be sure. Obviously everything else still sucks for toss, so probably a wash overall or slight nerf. yeah the distruptor buff is clearly sucking.. Im not sure what terran should do now. Storm is more viable than ever before, and we cant do anything about it. Should at least revert the EMP radius, so protoss have to split templars, or will the f2 armada of players whine about that? | ||
Poopi
France12904 Posts
On October 02 2025 02:02 TeamMamba wrote: Typical bias picking. All the Protoss that advance were either better than the opponent or get worse 50-50. We can talk about toss being OP when we see for example Clem losing 0-3 to someone like skillious or nightmare ByuN lost to Nightmare :x | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3119 Posts
On October 02 2025 05:46 Archeon wrote: I didn't expect microbial shroud to go online like that, neither did I expect the Viking change to make it through, even if the gas reduction was cut. Interesting times. Zerg is likely the major winner of this patch. Storm went from major nerfed to buffed? Interesting choice to be sure. Obviously everything else still sucks for toss, so probably a wash overall or slight nerf. I mean Zerg should be the winner of this patch. They've been in the worst position representation-wise in tournaments, and statistically the most imba matchup this last patch by far (at both GM and pro level) has been TvZ. PvZ hasn't been as imba, but has still favored Protoss. Kinda funny how the story of the last patch has been Terrans complaining, huh? | ||
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Captain Peabody
United States3119 Posts
On October 02 2025 05:18 RogueTheGOAT wrote: There has literally never been a point in SC2 history that Terran players were not whining about something. There are some legitimate complaints if you think that balance matters at every level and that some really basic things shouldn't take very little skill to execute but extreme levels of skill to counter (e.g. banelings vs. countering them), but most people don't agree with that while still whining about balance that isn't actually broken at the top level. From watching the tournos played today, it does seem that there was a Protoss bump post-patch, but also that it mostly just came from Ts and Zs not understanding or being familiar with the new Storm: i.e. I've seen numerous players just standing in Storms bc of the radius and also run into Storms right when the storms would have stopped pre-patch (and also numerous Protoss running into their own storms). Over the course of the day, though, the Terran players I've been watching seem to have learned that speed banshees and tank pushes are really strong post-patch TvP with the energy nerf. So it really is "too early to tell," I think. | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1143 Posts
yeah but ByuN is trash according to TeamMamba. there will be no sympathy towards terran until Clem is losing 0-4 to Harstem and Jumy | ||
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bela.mervado
Hungary400 Posts
Can you plz add a mule QoL change as follows: * Whenever the mule timer expires with the mule holding minerals, the mule would get to live for as long as it is holding the minerals, but no longer than 2 seconds. This would allow the mules to complete the last trip to the command center, and break down right after dropping the minerals. Thank you | ||
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TeamMamba
116 Posts
On October 02 2025 07:34 SHODAN wrote: yeah but ByuN is trash according to TeamMamba. there will be no sympathy towards terran until Clem is losing 0-4 to Harstem and Jumy Ya Byun is not top tier. Thanks for pointing that out. Yup the community has zero for sympathy towards terran since they have been crying and whining for 15 years strong now. Until they stop crying then we might “listen” to their idea of balance. Cause these were the same guys who thought the OG widow mine was balance lol and literally tell Zerg and toss pros to git gud | ||
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1143 Posts
On October 02 2025 10:58 TeamMamba wrote: Ya Byun is not top tier. Thanks for pointing that out. Yup the community has zero for sympathy towards terran since they have been crying and whining for 15 years strong now. Until they stop crying then we might “listen” to their idea of balance. Cause these were the same guys who thought the OG widow mine was balance lol and literally tell Zerg and toss pros to git gud  | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1216 Posts
On October 02 2025 10:27 bela.mervado wrote: yo dear Blizz Intern, Can you plz add a mule QoL change as follows: * Whenever the mule timer expires with the mule holding minerals, the mule would get to live for as long as it is holding the minerals, but no longer than 2 seconds. This would allow the mules to complete the last trip to the command center, and break down right after dropping the minerals. Thank you That's not a QoL-feature, that's just called a buff... | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10357 Posts
Now the rockpaper scissors dynamic is now complete: Ghost > HT > Viking > Colossus > Ghost Before Colossus didn't really soft-counter Bio+Ghost Also, those PvT unit comps like Adept Colossus that Astrea went was a cool style and now will have more use Phoenix comps like Phoenix Colossus could also be interesting! Phoenix can pick up Ghost but Ghost can EMP. Should be fine. And Supply back down to 2 so it will hurt Bio still but Mech less now since you won't be playing vs Colossus or mass banelings crashing into your ghosts | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1278 Posts
 LiuLi Cup/Weekly/8Which Ro16 match-ups do you think are upsets caused by balance? | ||
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Creager
Germany1910 Posts
On October 02 2025 03:10 Charoisaur wrote: Honestly, I'm really excited about the patch, this is the best patch I can remember. Balance issues will be sorted out but it really seems to promote fun gameplay from all races Not sure if I consider getting my slow ass stormed into oblivion even harder while i'm not looking at my army a "promotion" of "fun gameplay", though. | ||
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Admiral Yang
25 Posts
(Wiki)LiuLi Cup/Weekly/8 Which Ro16 match-ups do you think are upsets caused by balance? Acknowledging that this whole exercise is reductive to the point of uselessness, Rogue losing to Skillous and Byun losing to Nightmare are obvious upsets, while Bunny losing to Creator and Lambo losing to Trigger are arguable upsets. | ||
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