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Why doesn't anyone use restoration?

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Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
September 20 2007 05:19 GMT
#1
Especially in TvZ, I'm thinking... you never see pros get restoration.

My thought is... it's a relatively cheap upgrade. You have the academy already... you already have dozens of medics in the field...

Every time your science vessels get plagued, you're going to be near your mnm anyways... why not fly over and restore them all real quick? Even small squads of marines it would be good, I would think.

Is it too much spell energy to cast it or something? You can't tell me it's too much micro for these guys...

Is it just no one has had the initiative to try it? Or is there a good reason that I don't get...?
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Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
September 20 2007 05:30 GMT
#2
It probably is too much micro. It takes attention off their units, base, and macro just to cast restore individually on each vessel.
In my opinion, repairing vessels seems like a more feasible idea.
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Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-20 05:43:33
September 20 2007 05:42 GMT
#3
Restoration is very micro intensive (much clicking), and also time intensive. That means the more vessels you have, the more will be left over with red hit points anyway because plague was on it long enough.
So waiting until plague is gone and then repairing them would be a better idea. It's similarly micro intensive, so it's rarely used, but at least you can bring them back to full health whereas it's impossible to do so with restore.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 20 2007 05:43 GMT
#4
it's been done a few times

one good example was FBH vs Savior series game 1

with the battlecruisers

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Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-20 05:48:37
September 20 2007 05:46 GMT
#5
Yeah... but in that game he didn't have much to do. He just had to defend his bases and wait until Savior runs out of resources (which was about to happen soon). He didn't have to expand or attack at all. The game was basically decided. So he had the APM and time left to cast restoration on the battle cruisers when they had acid spores from the devourers on them.
Usually, in a normal game situation, restoration is never used. It's about the most unimportant thing there is to do for Terrans. Do it when you have the time, but you almost never have the time.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
September 20 2007 08:02 GMT
#6
Its just laziness/usefulness imo. The only way you're getting the upgrade is if its late game and you have money to blow. And by that point its not so important to get restore because you have the economy to rebuild anyways.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
September 20 2007 13:54 GMT
#7
There was a thread about this a WHILEEEE back -_-;;

Use Search Function next time, please

Basically it's not worth it to spend 50 mana (is it? or 25?) just keep stop your Science Vessels from getting pwned by plague Even if you have godly cloning, the Z can just Consume 3 Zerglings, Plague again, your 25 x # of Vessels worth of mana down the drain
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pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
September 20 2007 14:13 GMT
#8
following the trend of new people coming (back) to starcraft i predict that in the following months we'll get more threads on the viability of other spells like

mind control
hallucination
ensnare
maelstrom
broodling
optic flare
etc

its kinda sad that we sc veterans will have to strike down these young and budding players who are so full of enthusiasm with the same answer "its not efficient enough"
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
sc2rocks
Profile Joined August 2007
Singapore79 Posts
September 20 2007 15:19 GMT
#9
If your vessels get plagued, just kill every muta or hydras that you see from killing your vessels in one hit. No big deal.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
September 20 2007 15:26 GMT
#10
a pro game recently, a terran used restoration on all his plagued units. I actually think it was FireBatHero in his first game against Savior.
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WhatisProtoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Korea (South)2325 Posts
September 20 2007 15:26 GMT
#11
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
September 20 2007 15:27 GMT
#12
Yeah like Equinox_kr said. You can repair your ass off, all zerg has to do is cast it again. And since you've got a whole bunch of vessels, your maingoal is to pressure and use irradiate as often as possible anyway.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
September 20 2007 15:49 GMT
#13
On September 20 2007 23:13 pyrogenetix wrote:
following the trend of new people coming (back) to starcraft i predict that in the following months we'll get more threads on the viability of other spells like

mind control
hallucination
ensnare
maelstrom
broodling
optic flare
etc

its kinda sad that we sc veterans will have to strike down these young and budding players who are so full of enthusiasm with the same answer "its not efficient enough"


There's a difference between "un-used because we haven't seen how to use it yet" and "un-used because it just plain blows".

There's a lot more of the latter than the former in SC right now.
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JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
September 20 2007 18:18 GMT
#14
Problem is, likely you won't have that energy ready to spare on a bunch of vessels who got plagued. And even if you do, your marines will probably need it for healing rather.
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XoR~
Profile Joined April 2006
Switzerland453 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-20 20:15:21
September 20 2007 20:14 GMT
#15
I rarely use it, like 1-2 timss / year or aganist Zerg who using Queens with that "spy" thing on my vessels.

For anything else, it requires too much micro. I have to use my actions for other things
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garmule2
Profile Joined March 2006
United States376 Posts
September 20 2007 20:23 GMT
#16
I think it's stupid that pros keep all their vessels stacked like that and in range of defilers, anyway. What the hell?
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LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
September 20 2007 20:25 GMT
#17
It's underused to a certain extent only because people never research it.

It's very situational though. Usually when your vessels get plagued, they aren't right next to your medics, and by the time you get them close enough and have restored 1-2, the rest are fully damaged. All it does it stop the effects of a spell for 1 unit, not undo the effects.

For BC's? Sure its very good then because BC's need their hp more than a vessel does. Plague will also do its full damage.
TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
September 20 2007 23:08 GMT
#18
On September 20 2007 22:54 Equinox_kr wrote:
There was a thread about this a WHILEEEE back -_-;;

Use Search Function next time, please

Basically it's not worth it to spend 50 mana (is it? or 25?) just keep stop your Science Vessels from getting pwned by plague Even if you have godly cloning, the Z can just Consume 3 Zerglings, Plague again, your 25 x # of Vessels worth of mana down the drain

This.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
September 20 2007 23:09 GMT
#19
i think restoration is only useful against parasite... and nobody uses parasite
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
September 20 2007 23:16 GMT
#20
To be honest, I always upgrade it... for anti-parasite. 2good
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