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Especially in TvZ, I'm thinking... you never see pros get restoration.
My thought is... it's a relatively cheap upgrade. You have the academy already... you already have dozens of medics in the field...
Every time your science vessels get plagued, you're going to be near your mnm anyways... why not fly over and restore them all real quick? Even small squads of marines it would be good, I would think.
Is it too much spell energy to cast it or something? You can't tell me it's too much micro for these guys...
Is it just no one has had the initiative to try it? Or is there a good reason that I don't get...?
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United States1655 Posts
It probably is too much micro. It takes attention off their units, base, and macro just to cast restore individually on each vessel.
In my opinion, repairing vessels seems like a more feasible idea.
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Restoration is very micro intensive (much clicking), and also time intensive. That means the more vessels you have, the more will be left over with red hit points anyway because plague was on it long enough.
So waiting until plague is gone and then repairing them would be a better idea. It's similarly micro intensive, so it's rarely used, but at least you can bring them back to full health whereas it's impossible to do so with restore.
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it's been done a few times
one good example was FBH vs Savior series game 1
with the battlecruisers
sexy
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Yeah... but in that game he didn't have much to do. He just had to defend his bases and wait until Savior runs out of resources (which was about to happen soon). He didn't have to expand or attack at all. The game was basically decided. So he had the APM and time left to cast restoration on the battle cruisers when they had acid spores from the devourers on them.
Usually, in a normal game situation, restoration is never used. It's about the most unimportant thing there is to do for Terrans. Do it when you have the time, but you almost never have the time.
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Its just laziness/usefulness imo. The only way you're getting the upgrade is if its late game and you have money to blow. And by that point its not so important to get restore because you have the economy to rebuild anyways.
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There was a thread about this a WHILEEEE back -_-;;
Use Search Function next time, please 
Basically it's not worth it to spend 50 mana (is it? or 25?) just keep stop your Science Vessels from getting pwned by plague  Even if you have godly cloning, the Z can just Consume 3 Zerglings, Plague again, your 25 x # of Vessels worth of mana down the drain
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following the trend of new people coming (back) to starcraft i predict that in the following months we'll get more threads on the viability of other spells like
mind control
hallucination
ensnare
maelstrom
broodling
optic flare
etc
its kinda sad that we sc veterans will have to strike down these young and budding players who are so full of enthusiasm with the same answer "its not efficient enough"
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If your vessels get plagued, just kill every muta or hydras that you see from killing your vessels in one hit. No big deal.
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a pro game recently, a terran used restoration on all his plagued units. I actually think it was FireBatHero in his first game against Savior.
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XellOs vs Chojja
SKY2006 ProLeague R1
Rush Hour 3
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Yeah like Equinox_kr said. You can repair your ass off, all zerg has to do is cast it again. And since you've got a whole bunch of vessels, your maingoal is to pressure and use irradiate as often as possible anyway.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On September 20 2007 23:13 pyrogenetix wrote:
following the trend of new people coming (back) to starcraft i predict that in the following months we'll get more threads on the viability of other spells like
mind control
hallucination
ensnare
maelstrom
broodling
optic flare
etc
its kinda sad that we sc veterans will have to strike down these young and budding players who are so full of enthusiasm with the same answer "its not efficient enough"
There's a difference between "un-used because we haven't seen how to use it yet" and "un-used because it just plain blows".
There's a lot more of the latter than the former in SC right now.
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Problem is, likely you won't have that energy ready to spare on a bunch of vessels who got plagued. And even if you do, your marines will probably need it for healing rather.
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I rarely use it, like 1-2 timss / year or aganist Zerg who using Queens with that "spy" thing on my vessels.
For anything else, it requires too much micro. I have to use my actions for other things
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I think it's stupid that pros keep all their vessels stacked like that and in range of defilers, anyway. What the hell?
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It's underused to a certain extent only because people never research it.
It's very situational though. Usually when your vessels get plagued, they aren't right next to your medics, and by the time you get them close enough and have restored 1-2, the rest are fully damaged. All it does it stop the effects of a spell for 1 unit, not undo the effects.
For BC's? Sure its very good then because BC's need their hp more than a vessel does. Plague will also do its full damage.
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On September 20 2007 22:54 Equinox_kr wrote:There was a thread about this a WHILEEEE back -_-;; Use Search Function next time, please Basically it's not worth it to spend 50 mana (is it? or 25?) just keep stop your Science Vessels from getting pwned by plague Even if you have godly cloning, the Z can just Consume 3 Zerglings, Plague again, your 25 x # of Vessels worth of mana down the drain
This.
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i think restoration is only useful against parasite... and nobody uses parasite 
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To be honest, I always upgrade it... for anti-parasite. 2good
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I'm pretty sure if any unit was afflicted with Parasite pros would just probably quarantine it or just kill it. Simple counter
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Restoration seems too situationally-dependent to become a solid part of any given TvX matchup. It's useful, but generally I'd think allowing medics to save their energy for healing takes priority.
I'm not a T player, though, so what do I know?
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United States5262 Posts
I do recall BoxeR using it in a game against July on Luna. July was fighting BoxeR's pressure by going to hive tech and getting defilers with plague. BoxeR pushed and got his vessels plagued but the cheers soon turned to BoxeR when he restored his vessels.
July got read like a book. A children's book. No words. Just pictures.
gg
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United States20665 Posts
FBH vs sAviOr on Python has some resto action on BCs.
but yeah, they figure re-plaguing is much cheaper and less time consuming than your mass restos
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United States24776 Posts
The only time it would ever seem worth it would be to undo a parasite on a key unit and even then that's questionable.
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This requires A LOT of multitasking. But it's good vs Parasites
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i swear terrans are gonna start using it and its gonna be imba
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yes, yes, yes, it's lots of micro.. but honestly these guys are capable of it...
I just want to cry every time I see a muta go in and take out 1500 gas of science vessels in a few seconds.
I'm sorry I didn't look up the other thread.. I didn't think of it. I'm not exactly new to starcraft... just new to TL.
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On September 21 2007 08:16 ArC_man wrote:
To be honest, I always upgrade it... for anti-parasite. 2good
Heh, beat me to it. But I only upgrade this if i get parsited not before that for an "anti-parasite" method. They have to parasite me first for me to upgrade it :p And i was actually thinking of implementing this to my tvz against zergs that go plague vs me to restore marines that got plagued so i can show off to my friends at my "micro" with a spell that's not used at all haha
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Maybe wed use it if Restoration was an AoE spells.
Make it cost 150 en or something.
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well i cant say anything that hasn't been said before other than to agree with those who said that the zerg can just replague you.
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I have a feeling that they will be common use one day and there will be screams of imbalance.
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On September 20 2007 23:13 pyrogenetix wrote:
following the trend of new people coming (back) to starcraft i predict that in the following months we'll get more threads on the viability of other spells like
mind control
hallucination
ensnare
maelstrom
broodling
optic flare
etc
its kinda sad that we sc veterans will have to strike down these young and budding players who are so full of enthusiasm with the same answer "its not efficient enough"
maelstrom broodling and ensare have all seen use in competitive play these days, its interesting how the meta has evolved over the years to make these a part of the meta situationally
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