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Jockmcplop
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Last Edited: 2018-02-19 20:16:21
June 30 2013 22:13 GMT
#1
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This thread is designed for discussion of UK politics.

OK so first lets go through how UK politics works for those unfamiliar with systems etc:

Voting:
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General elections:
General elections in the UK occur every 5 years in May (following the Fixed Term Parliament Act 2011).
The UK is split into constituencies of about 70,000 voters. Each constituency has an MP (Member of Parliament), who are elected on election day using the 'first past the post' system. This means that whoever has the most votes wins. Candidates can be independent or form a political party.
The party with the majority of seats in Parliament after the election wins. Parties with less votes get no control of the government, so smaller parties tend to be a quite a disadvantage, because people will not want to waste their vote on a party that will not get into government.

Local elections:
In local elections, each area of the country (different to constituencies: varies from about 35,000 - 300,000 people) elect a local council. This works using the same 'first past the post' system.
These councils are responsible for local issues such as how to use their budget (allocated by the national treasury), waste collection and disposal, planning applications and social housing (as well as larger housing projects).


References:
http://www.mpacuk.org/vote/how-does-voting-system-work.html
http://www.parliament.uk/about/how/elections-and-voting/general/
https://www.gov.uk/understand-how-your-council-works/types-of-council
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England (sorry)



The Cabinet
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The Cabinet of Her Majesty's Government of the United Kingdom is made up of members of the houses of commons and lords, who are selected by the current government. Each member of the Cabinet is known as a Cabinet Minister.
Cabinet Ministers in the UK are usually known as 'the secretary of state for (insert field here)'.
The main guys in Cabinet at the moment are:
Prime Minister - David Cameron
Deputy PM - Nick Clegg
Foreign Affairs - William Hague
Chancellor of the Exchequer (in charge of money) - George Osborne
Home Affairs - Theresa May
Defence - Phillip Hammond
Education - Michael Gove
Work and Pensions - Iain Duncan-Smith
Health - Jeremy Hunt
Business - Vince Cable

Each Minister employs a staff to help them with their business.
There are others but these are the guys you see in the news alot, making key decisions

The Shadow Cabinet:
The Shadow Cabinet is a system setup each term by the out of power party (the second biggest party) to mirror the Cabinet. Each Minister has his 'alternative' provided by the out of power party to shadow the Minister in that field. Its main purpose is to inform the public of the alternative choice that they would offer, but shadow Ministers usually end up simply criticizing the current Minister.


Refences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_Kingdom



Parliament:
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Parliament is made up of a two tier system the UK. The House of Commons and the House of Lords.
Parliament is responsible for passing and debating new legislation; questioning the Prime Minister and other cabinet members about their decisions and raising concerns brought to MPs by member of the public. Its function is central to UK Politics and most of the political debate you will see or hear regarding UK politics will take place in parliament.
Where the government is responsible for drafting and writing new legislation, parliament has the authority to reject this legislation.



Houses of Commons and Lords:

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The House of Commons:
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In basic terms, the House of Commons is where MPs go to discuss policies, question the prime minister and conduct their parliamentary business. Each elected MP has a seat in the House of Commons.
Responsible for running operations related to the House of Commons and its business is the House of Commons Commission:
The House of Commons is chaired by the Speaker of the House. who is elected by a vote from all MPs.
Other notable members include:
The leader of the house (nominated by the government)
The Shadow Leader of the House (nominated by the shadow government)
Each of the three biggest parties also nominate one backbench MP to the commission.


The House of Lords:
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Unlike the democratically elected members of the House of Commons, members of the House of Lords are appointed, either by the Queen (on advice from the Prime Minister) or by the Lords Appointments Commission. Some members of the House of Lords are appointed due to their prominent roles in the Church of England.
Although the House of Lords is not elected, they do have some power over legislation. This power is limited, however, and they are not usually able to prevent bills approved by the House of Commons from passing. They do, however have the power to delay these bills.


References:
http://www.parliament.uk/business/lords/
http://www.parliament.uk/business/commons/



Current Major Political Parties and their stances, policies and focus:

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The Government of the UK right now is a coalition made up of the largest party - The Conservative Party - and the third largest: The Liberal Democrats.

The Conservative Party:
The Conservative Party is usually seen as a centre-right party.

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Economics:
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The Conservative Party's current stance on economics in general is one of Austerity and business led economic growth. The Conservatives generally believe that taxes should be low (although they have admitted that low taxes will be hard to maintain during the current government due to economic circumstances), and are currently focusing on austerity using cuts to council budgets in order to control borrowing and debt.


Social Policies:
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Currently the Conservative Party is engaged in a policy of reforming welfare in the UK. The idea behind this is to encourage more people into work, especially the long term unemployed, and to reduce the cost of social benefits as part of its austerity program.
This is happening as we speak with the roll-out of 'Universal Credit'. This is a new system for people on low incomes. There are various facets to this system. The government claims it is simplifying the benefits system whilst encouraging people to work, while critics claim it will hurt the more vulnerable people in society.


Foreign Policy:
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The Conservative's foreign policy, like the labour government before it, heavily emphasizes the UK's relationship in the USA. The Conservative Party as a whole endorsed the Democratic government of the USA. Unlike the labour government, however, the conservatives are against many of the measure introduced by the EU. Theresa May (Home Affairs) has recently launched a campaign to distance the UK from the EU restrictions relating to the Human Rights Act. This coincided with an expensive and embarrassing legal battle to deport a known terrorist: Abu Qatada, to Jordan; which ended in failure through the European Court of Human Rights.
The Conservative Party supports the ongoing military action in Afghanistan.




The Labour Party:
The Labour Party is a centre-left party current led by Ed Miliband. Some people claim the party has moved further to the right in recent years, since the birth of 'New Labour' under Tony Blair. However, this effect was limited to certain areas of their policies. For example they still kept similar policies on social welfare, but their general economic policy was of deregulation of the big banks.
The 'New Labour' phenomenon has been noted to have caused serious long term problems for the labour party, with more traditional members feeling marginalized and unable to affect policy. The recent move away from the New Labour model may have had the reverse effect.

Economic Policy:
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The Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer is Ed Balls.
Ed Balls has been fierce critic of the government's program of austerity measures. However, he recently admitted that he would have to go along with this program, just re prioritizing rather than avoiding the cuts. Labour are yet to announce any specific economic policy, focusing more on a critique of the current government's performance (which is usually the case during the first years of a government's reign).


Social Policy:
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The labour government has always been a supporter of the UK's welfare system, and launched a huge campaign against the reforms started by the current conservative government. If the party gets elected in 2015, you can be sure that the new Universal Credit system would see some pretty significant changes, although again nothing specific as yet has been said about what changes there would be.



Other notable parties include:

The Liberal Democrats.
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The Lib Dems are in the centre of the political spectrum. Although they are currently in a coalition government, and claim they have altered some legislation to protect the more vulnerable parts of society from the austerity cuts, they lost a huge amount of their support base when they voted in favour of raising university tuition fees to a maximum of £9000 per year, after promising in their pre election campaign that they were against it. This proved to be a miscalculation on a monumental scale, as a large proportion of their voters are university students.

In recent local elections, the Lib Dems had a very poor turnout, which has led some to comment that they are now the fourth biggest party under UKIP. This is highly debatable though.

The Liberal Democrats are currently led by Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg


UKIP

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The UK Independence Party started its life as a protest party against the UK's involvement in Europe. Nigel Farage (their leader) is known for his straight talking, aggressive style of speaking which is said to be primarily responsible for the their surge in popularity at the most recent local elections. UKIP are currently near the end of their transition from protest party to a full blown political force, and it currently remains to be seen whether their popularity will last beyond the current term.
After the recent local elections, UKIP's results seemed to be a source of much discomfort for the government, who were forced to have a rethink about the UK's place in Europe, and the possiblity of an In/out referendum.





Sources of information/interesting videos etc:

Prime Minister's questions:

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link

Prime minister's questions is a weekly session in which the prime minister answers questions from MPs in the House of Commons. It is often entertaining to watch, with lots of harsh political language and jeering/booing etc.


Question Time

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link

Weekly show on the BBC which usually has one or two MPs from each major party, sometimes with other guests and an invited audience, answering (or usually not answering) questions from the public.


Daily/Sunday Politics BBC

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link

Politics magazine show, mostly serious, but with some humor


Have I Got News For You

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link

The brainchild of Ian Hislop - editor of satire magazine Private Eye - this comedy panel show examines the weeks UK political news.


OK.
Please send me links/corrections and i will edit this post as required.
I am looking for more links for the final section and will post them as i find them.

Let's keep it civil guys


Current Affairs

Right, I am going to use the BBC for all current affairs links. The reason for this is that its journalists come from a range of political backgrounds, and it doesn't seem to have any overall political bias when it comes to UK current affairs.

massive changes to labour's relationship with unions

More conflict with the ECHR, this time over life sentences
RIP Meatloaf <3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 30 2013 22:14 GMT
#2
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 22:26:08
June 30 2013 22:23 GMT
#3
Bit biased but its politics i guess it can't not be biased, probably best to add the remaining parties that have MPs on the other parties section like the SNP, Plaid, and the Northern Ireland parties they have significant representation in their areas, and they actually have MPs unlike UKIP.

Daily Politics/Sunday Politics + This Week are also good shows on the BBC that you can add to the OP.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
June 30 2013 22:28 GMT
#4
On July 01 2013 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?


Well to be honest i think that its just going to wait until after the elections. I can't see a challenge happening while he's PM. Obviously Theresa May and Boris Johnson are the main candidates, of which May should never EVER win due to her lack of charisma, penchant for lying, and unpopularity with the average voter.
Johnson is another kettle of fish. He's very popular with voters, extremely clever and devious, seems to have genuinely had a great effect on the City of London in his time as Mayor. However, i'm not sure if the conservatives would want him as their leader because his political views have a huge spectrum. Half the time he doesn't come across as a conservative at all.
Other than that i don't see who else could lead the party.

Of course, its all speculation at the moment, and to challenge his leadership now would be pretty catastrophic for the government IMO.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
June 30 2013 22:30 GMT
#5
On July 01 2013 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?


A bit of tough talk on Europe seems to have saved his butt for now. Seriously though, what's with Balls saying he won't borrow more to fund stimulus? I thought Labour were meant to be the anti-austerity party nowadays.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
June 30 2013 22:31 GMT
#6
On July 01 2013 07:30 Trowa127 wrote:
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On July 01 2013 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?


A bit of tough talk on Europe seems to have saved his butt for now. Seriously though, what's with Balls saying he won't borrow more to fund stimulus? I thought Labour were meant to be the anti-austerity party nowadays.


They would borrow for capital spending not current spending but i would say every party is anti-austerity atm Osborne is only cutting 2.6% of spending over 5 years.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
June 30 2013 22:32 GMT
#7
On July 01 2013 07:23 Zaros wrote:
Bit biased but its politics i guess it can't not be biased, probably best to add the remaining parties that have MPs on the other parties section like the SNP, Plaid, and the Northern Ireland parties they have significant representation in their areas, and they actually have MPs unlike UKIP.

Daily Politics/Sunday Politics + This Week are also good shows on the BBC that you can add to the OP.


Yeah that was a bit of an error in omission there. I think its because i'm not too familiar with Scottish, Welsh or NI politics.
I had better get learning now methinks.
I will add tonight or tomorrow.

Also thanks for the extra shows, i will add them now.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
June 30 2013 22:33 GMT
#8
On July 01 2013 07:30 Trowa127 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?


A bit of tough talk on Europe seems to have saved his butt for now. Seriously though, what's with Balls saying he won't borrow more to fund stimulus? I thought Labour were meant to be the anti-austerity party nowadays.


I think he had an attack of realism.
Partly because once something like this austerity is set in motion, its almost impossible to reverse.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-30 22:47:18
June 30 2013 22:38 GMT
#9
On July 01 2013 07:31 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 07:30 Trowa127 wrote:
On July 01 2013 07:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So whatever happened to the leadership challenge Cameron was facing?


A bit of tough talk on Europe seems to have saved his butt for now. Seriously though, what's with Balls saying he won't borrow more to fund stimulus? I thought Labour were meant to be the anti-austerity party nowadays.


They would borrow for capital spending not current spending but i would say every party is anti-austerity atm Osborne is only cutting 2.6% of spending over 5 years.


Haha, that was a leading question to see what kind of people I was talking to. I think someone must have shown Balls the unfunded pension liabilities and he got hot under the collar.

Funniest 'current affairs' show on TV has to be Hard Talk on the BBC. The Krugman and Kyle Bass interviews are the two that spring to mind, the presenters the BBC hires are utterly clueless.

Btw OP - they want to deport Abu Qatada to Jordan, not Libya.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 30 2013 23:00 GMT
#10
PMQ time :D


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
June 30 2013 23:01 GMT
#11
I was born here and the speaker still cracks me up. GORDONN HENDERSONN.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
June 30 2013 23:35 GMT
#12
'Its very clear, its very simple, its called democracy."

John Bercow is a legend.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 01 2013 00:10 GMT
#13
Surprised that Cameron's minority government has held out for as long as he did, but I guess if you are Nick Clegg you know youll never be important again so you milk that deputy prime minister job for all you want before your supporters drift back to labor. And if the good looking Miliband was slightly better at politics, it would be hard to imagine not a full Labour sweep.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
July 01 2013 00:12 GMT
#14
On July 01 2013 09:10 Sub40APM wrote:
Surprised that Cameron's minority government has held out for as long as he did, but I guess if you are Nick Clegg you know youll never be important again so you milk that deputy prime minister job for all you want before your supporters drift back to labor. And if the good looking Miliband was slightly better at politics, it would be hard to imagine not a full Labour sweep.


Miliband is an interesting man. I happen to think that he has alot of potential. However he was accused of being weak and not criticizing the current government enough. I think this led to his party bullying him and now all the political principles he held seem to have evaporated and he is just reduced to bitching and whining about Cameron. Its a shame because i was looking forward to labour under Miliband, but now i fear it would just be more of the same old bullshit.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Christ the Redeemer
Profile Joined May 2012
Brazil161 Posts
July 01 2013 00:16 GMT
#15
I try understand US Megapolitics thread even if it is irrelevant in a gaming forum. At least the US is perceived to be a world power capable of upsetting global economics and politics. But UK?

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Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-01 00:19:32
July 01 2013 00:17 GMT
#16
On July 01 2013 09:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 09:10 Sub40APM wrote:
Surprised that Cameron's minority government has held out for as long as he did, but I guess if you are Nick Clegg you know youll never be important again so you milk that deputy prime minister job for all you want before your supporters drift back to labor. And if the good looking Miliband was slightly better at politics, it would be hard to imagine not a full Labour sweep.


Miliband is an interesting man. I happen to think that he has alot of potential. However he was accused of being weak and not criticizing the current government enough. I think this led to his party bullying him and now all the political principles he held seem to have evaporated and he is just reduced to bitching and whining about Cameron. Its a shame because i was looking forward to labour under Miliband, but now i fear it would just be more of the same old bullshit.


Hard for him not to win though, he only needs 34% to get a majority even if cons get 34% he would still have a significant majority due to the boundary problems.

On July 01 2013 09:16 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
I try understand US Megapolitics thread even if it is irrelevant in a gaming forum. At least the US is perceived to be a world power capable of upsetting global economics and politics. But UK?


6th/7th largest economy in the world 4th largest military,permanent security council member and has a global history the UK isn't insignificant either.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
July 01 2013 00:17 GMT
#17
On July 01 2013 09:16 Christ the Redeemer wrote:
I try understand US Megapolitics thread even if it is irrelevant in a gaming forum. At least the US is perceived to be a world power capable of upsetting global economics and politics. But UK?

Just ignore it?
I remember someone actually requested this thread a while back whilst discussing Maggie Thatcher's death so i decided to go ahead and make one. If its unpopular it will just go away so don't fear.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9607 Posts
July 01 2013 00:17 GMT
#18
On July 01 2013 09:17 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 09:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 01 2013 09:10 Sub40APM wrote:
Surprised that Cameron's minority government has held out for as long as he did, but I guess if you are Nick Clegg you know youll never be important again so you milk that deputy prime minister job for all you want before your supporters drift back to labor. And if the good looking Miliband was slightly better at politics, it would be hard to imagine not a full Labour sweep.


Miliband is an interesting man. I happen to think that he has alot of potential. However he was accused of being weak and not criticizing the current government enough. I think this led to his party bullying him and now all the political principles he held seem to have evaporated and he is just reduced to bitching and whining about Cameron. Its a shame because i was looking forward to labour under Miliband, but now i fear it would just be more of the same old bullshit.


Hard for him not to win though, he only needs 34% to get a majority even if cons get 34% he would still have a significant majority due to the boundary problems.


Yeah he'll win but i doubt he'll be able to accomplish anything unless he takes some control over his party.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
July 01 2013 00:20 GMT
#19
On July 01 2013 09:17 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2013 09:17 Zaros wrote:
On July 01 2013 09:12 Jockmcplop wrote:
On July 01 2013 09:10 Sub40APM wrote:
Surprised that Cameron's minority government has held out for as long as he did, but I guess if you are Nick Clegg you know youll never be important again so you milk that deputy prime minister job for all you want before your supporters drift back to labor. And if the good looking Miliband was slightly better at politics, it would be hard to imagine not a full Labour sweep.


Miliband is an interesting man. I happen to think that he has alot of potential. However he was accused of being weak and not criticizing the current government enough. I think this led to his party bullying him and now all the political principles he held seem to have evaporated and he is just reduced to bitching and whining about Cameron. Its a shame because i was looking forward to labour under Miliband, but now i fear it would just be more of the same old bullshit.


Hard for him not to win though, he only needs 34% to get a majority even if cons get 34% he would still have a significant majority due to the boundary problems.


Yeah he'll win but i doubt he'll be able to accomplish anything unless he takes some control over his party.


He will do whatever the unions and the guardian tell him to do .
Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
July 01 2013 01:03 GMT
#20
I wish we had something like PMQ in the U.S. lol. It's always so interesting to me.
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