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On August 20 2025 06:13 RogueTheGOAT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 05:12 Jealous wrote:On August 20 2025 00:45 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
There is literally no reason to have faith in their motives. The preponderance of evidence says they are pocketing the money and they've very deliberately avoided weighing in on the topic or provide information on future, larger plans other than to note that if people throw even MORE money at them that they'll have an offline finals. Gotta jump in to disagree on this point. There is plenty of reason to have faith in Tasteless & co. given all of the time and effort they have put into StarCraft. I don't think they would sacrifice 20 years of built-up good will and reputation for what amounts to a below-minimum-wage salary for 1 year for each of them. It's not impossible, of course, but history points to it being highly unlikely. Furthermore, "pocketing the money" is a bit unfair, but now we're getting into semantics. Either way, can't really know what's going to happen until they announce it, and doing so in a carefully-worded way when their future plans are more concrete would be the wisest way to do so, so I don't blame them for holding their tongues this long. In short, both outcomes are possible, but saying that there is "no reason" to have faith in them is a bridge too far. Pump those brakes a bit, chief. Tasteless isn't stealing money because RSL never promised to pay out more than it is doing, but the idea that people only steal or act unethical for huge amounts of money is flat out nonsense. e.g. Jontay Porter was banned for life by the NBA for his involvement in a prop bet that would have paid him ~25% of his $1,157,153 salary along with other bets that net him $22,000.
Going on a tangent, but this is a poor analogy because Jontay was coerced by third parties into prop-fixing due to his gambling debts.
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On August 20 2025 05:12 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 00:45 RogueTheGOAT wrote:
There is literally no reason to have faith in their motives. The preponderance of evidence says they are pocketing the money and they've very deliberately avoided weighing in on the topic or provide information on future, larger plans other than to note that if people throw even MORE money at them that they'll have an offline finals. Gotta jump in to disagree on this point. There is plenty of reason to have faith in Tasteless & co. given all of the time and effort they have put into StarCraft. I don't think they would sacrifice 20 years of built-up good will and reputation for what amounts to a below-minimum-wage salary for 1 year for each of them. It's not impossible, of course, but history points to it being highly unlikely. Furthermore, "pocketing the money" is a bit unfair, but now we're getting into semantics. Either way, can't really know what's going to happen until they announce it, and doing so in a carefully-worded way when their future plans are more concrete would be the wisest way to do so, so I don't blame them for holding their tongues this long. In short, both outcomes are possible, but saying that there is "no reason" to have faith in them is a bridge too far. Pump those brakes a bit, chief.
20 year reputation doesn't buy you food. Even if Tasteless would run into a big blunder , him and Artosis have no real rivalrys in premier SC2 casting , so they would get their job for premier cast anyway.
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Btw,  Maestros of the Game
Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers.
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On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers.
Because they clash.
Stop being a clown.
It doesn't help the perception of your argument.
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On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument.
They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, and RSL final stage is like 1-2 matches per day only. So its very easy to manage that with RSL schedule.
If Clem, Reynor and Lambo can play Krakow lan next day after EWC (and those both are offline with very hard night trip between them) , they easily could play those 2 tournaments 
There is players who support Tasteless ideas or just wants more money, like Reynor , Cure , ByuN , ShIN, Classic they play both , they dont care much about the clash. WTF are you talking about ?
Get your arguments now.
p.s. btw RSL schedule is not even done yet, to say about CLASH, its only said it will start at 4th september and likely end at 28th, everything can be changed on-the-fly. As good online tournament organizer , you can just skip the day with french lan to avoid any problems.
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On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument.
They don't clash, they are hours apart and very playable. There is no reason to believe they aren't playing because they clash anymore than there is to believe they aren't playing because they disagree with RSL or something else.
This entire thread is just full of presumptions on both sides of the coin, it's getting kind of silly.
I think all that needs to be said realistically is that RSL could probably do a better job of splitting their funding into the players, who are an irreplacable part of their product. It is concerning that they haven't addressed this at all, but maybe they just don't want to and are happy with what they are doing, which is also fine in the end because people clearly want it and support it.
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On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule.
Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake?
If it being possible to do both is evidence that the players are boycotting RSL, wouldn't the absence of some of these players from uThermal's tournament be evidence that they're boycotting uThermal? We already went down this route, your logic doesn't hold up.
Maybe these players will publicly state that they're boycotting RSL and you'll be proven right. It's a possibility. But in the absence of a statement being made by the players, your insinuations are pure speculation.
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On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake?
Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not.
Stop bringing Uthermal's tournament honey, lets talk about Wardi's Summer championship, won't you?
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On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not.
Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.
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On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba.
2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3
i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy.
Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt
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On August 20 2025 18:08 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba. 2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3 i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy. Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt
Revolver
This player has been banned from professional StarCraft competition.
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver
Blizzard recently received reports from a professional player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches for monetary gain.
Upon investigating, we determined the evidence was authentic, but the broadcaster was impersonated by another professional player known by the ID 'Revolver'.
As a result of his impersonation and attempt to matchfix, 'Revolver' is now banned from all current and future Blizzard Esports competitions, and will be removed from the player list for WCS Jönköping.
Competitive integrity is vital for all Blizzard Esports, and we will investigate all reports of misconduct thoroughly and to the best of our ability.
You were a progamer, so I apologise for being wrong.
But you were also a match fixer, so I retract my apology.
You're not doing a good job of convincing me that you're not a clown.
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On August 20 2025 18:12 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:08 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba. 2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3 i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy. Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt Revolver"This player has been banned from professional StarCraft competition." https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver"Blizzard recently received reports from a professional player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches for monetary gain. Upon investigating, we determined the evidence was authentic, but the broadcaster was impersonated by another professional player known by the ID 'Revolver'. As a result of his impersonation and attempt to matchfix, 'Revolver' is now banned from all current and future Blizzard Esports competitions, and will be removed from the player list for WCS Jönköping. Competitive integrity is vital for all Blizzard Esports, and we will investigate all reports of misconduct thoroughly and to the best of our ability." Lol.
How's that related to this topic? Or to your conversation on players workloads? Lost arguments buddy?
I wasn't been a matchfixer, Blizzard never gave any confirmation's or explanations on my case, because there is none. It was based on a random bullshit chatlog in battle.net.
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On August 20 2025 18:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:12 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:08 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba. 2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3 i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy. Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt Revolver"This player has been banned from professional StarCraft competition." https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver"Blizzard recently received reports from a professional player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches for monetary gain. Upon investigating, we determined the evidence was authentic, but the broadcaster was impersonated by another professional player known by the ID 'Revolver'. As a result of his impersonation and attempt to matchfix, 'Revolver' is now banned from all current and future Blizzard Esports competitions, and will be removed from the player list for WCS Jönköping. Competitive integrity is vital for all Blizzard Esports, and we will investigate all reports of misconduct thoroughly and to the best of our ability." Lol. How's that related to this topic? Or to your conversation on players workloads? Lost arguments buddy?
I was wrong about you being a progamer, but it's very relevant to you being a clown.
You want to talk about Tasteless, Gemini and Ziggy's integrity whilst being a proven match fixer?
Get the fuck outta here lmfao.
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On August 20 2025 18:16 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:12 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:08 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 16:22 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Btw, Maestros of the Game Serral , herO , Clem , Solar , Showtime, Skillous, HeroMarine all playing this and not playing RSL or its qualifiers. Because they clash. Stop being a clown. It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba. 2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3 i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy. Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt Revolver"This player has been banned from professional StarCraft competition." https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver"Blizzard recently received reports from a professional player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches for monetary gain. Upon investigating, we determined the evidence was authentic, but the broadcaster was impersonated by another professional player known by the ID 'Revolver'. As a result of his impersonation and attempt to matchfix, 'Revolver' is now banned from all current and future Blizzard Esports competitions, and will be removed from the player list for WCS Jönköping. Competitive integrity is vital for all Blizzard Esports, and we will investigate all reports of misconduct thoroughly and to the best of our ability." Lol. How's that related to this topic? Or to your conversation on players workloads? Lost arguments buddy? I was wrong about you being a progamer, but it's very relevant to you being a clown. You want to talk about Tasteless, Gemini and Ziggy's integrity whilst being a proven match fixer? Get the fuck outta here lmfao.
Again, proven by what? Blizzard gave no evidences in my case, and denied to make a conversation on this. Its based on battle.net chatlog which Wardi reported 10 years ago. What a matchfixer wow xd
And buddy real clown is you, trying to discuss workloads with someone who used to play starcraft 15 hours a day for 5 years.
You just lost ground with your arguments, dont panic, you just clueless on anything in this game.
User was banned for this post.
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Real matchfixer for example is Firefly or Life, we can say that correct, people know what matches they fixed, what money they gain , by what they gain money etc. Can you tell what matches i fixed or who gave me money? Fucking no. I got ban because blizzard think so xD
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Maybe you can also use eyes, brains and read ? "player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches" REQUEST , NOT A MATCH-FIX, what type of request and how adequate it was its another question, and blizard didnt wan't to conversate on this. At best , AT BEST, it was attempt only.
Its funny my case was attempt only and got lifetime ban. But for chinese players, who proven to do matchfixing penatlys were different.
https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523751-7-chinese-players-banned-match-fixing-and-smurfing
Coffee matchfixing , year and a half.
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On August 20 2025 18:18 Optimus Prime2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2025 18:16 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:14 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:12 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:08 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:06 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 18:03 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 18:01 MJG wrote:On August 20 2025 17:46 Optimus Prime2 wrote:On August 20 2025 17:37 MJG wrote:
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Because they clash.
Stop being a clown.
It doesn't help the perception of your argument. They DO NOT clash , Maestro is 1 day offline only and only 4 players, its very possible to manage that with RSL schedule. Who are you to decide what is or is not too heavy a workload for players undertake? Well i used to be a full time progamer, for a while, and i know in person most of progamers and i've been on a lans myself as a player. So i know much more than you bro. So yes , if we compare ourselves, i have much more intel to decide what workloads players can take and what not. Sure, and I'm the Queen of Sheba. 2014 DreamHack Open/Valencia/Group Stage 3 i even advanced in dreamhack playoffs once, and you're not queen of sheeba buddy. Group C. Nickname Revolver. Get rekt Revolver"This player has been banned from professional StarCraft competition." https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/523934-wcs-disciplinary-action-revolver"Blizzard recently received reports from a professional player that he had been approached by a broadcaster with requests to collude on matches for monetary gain. Upon investigating, we determined the evidence was authentic, but the broadcaster was impersonated by another professional player known by the ID 'Revolver'. As a result of his impersonation and attempt to matchfix, 'Revolver' is now banned from all current and future Blizzard Esports competitions, and will be removed from the player list for WCS Jönköping. Competitive integrity is vital for all Blizzard Esports, and we will investigate all reports of misconduct thoroughly and to the best of our ability." Lol. How's that related to this topic? Or to your conversation on players workloads? Lost arguments buddy? I was wrong about you being a progamer, but it's very relevant to you being a clown. You want to talk about Tasteless, Gemini and Ziggy's integrity whilst being a proven match fixer? Get the fuck outta here lmfao. Again, proven by what? Blizzard gave no evidences in my case, and denied to make a conversation on this. Its based on battle.net chatlog which Wardi reported 10 years ago. What a matchfixer wow xd And buddy real clown is you, trying to discuss workloads with someone who used to play starcraft 15 hours a day for 5 years. You just lost ground with your arguments, dont panic, you just clueless on anything in this game.
I don't think I've lost ground with my argument.
I find it very unlikely that the players would boycott RSL without making a statement about it, because boycotting something isn't very impactful if people don't actually know you're doing it. I'm sure the players are smart enough to know this, so the absence of a statement speaks volumes to me.
If you want to criticise RSL there are plenty of other avenues to do so. Wax's example is a much better way of going about it that doesn't involve wild speculation.
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And to be clear, I'm open to the possibility that there is a boycott happening, but it's way down my list of possibilities.
My tongue-in-cheek suggestion that Serral is avoiding RSL because of his long-storied tradition of ducking Korean tournaments with preparation time is higher on my list of possibilities lol.
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Tbh i think i just stop arguing personally with you, your opinion doesn't mean much to me. Players opinion do tho, and seeing more and more boycotting RSL season 2 just feels great. You can have your own thoughts on this, im fine with it.
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I still don't see any evidence that this is a boycott.
Serral and Showtime are playing in Maestros of the Game, but they didn't attempt to qualify for Wardi's Summer Championship. Are we to assume that Serral and Showtime are boycotting Wardi? It's ridiculous logic.
If it is a boycott then the players involved would have to explain why RSL is more morally repugnant than EWC. The mental gymnastics would be very entertaining, but I don't think the players are that pants-on-head stupid.
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OP being Optimus ‘Primed to Fix Matches’ was a twist I really wasn’t expecting
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