On July 03 2025 00:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: No gonna lie some of you are OD as fck. FlaSh had surgery while in military. He had a new surgery 1 month ago . And at the moment is rehabilitating too. Im not sure why he kept playing tho instead of focusing on full recovery. Is like trying to do half / half . I imagine there are days where he feels good to play and others that he just cant. Who knows for how long he is been taking painkillers too.
He is already playing in proleagues and losing to Mini / Snow / best so what difference will it make to lose to them in ASL ? LOL.
Also saying stuff oh but he is spaming games like crazy vs Soma is non sense. Most of the games were short. And you can tell he is strugling when he is doing all those mech builds that requires less effort from him.
Another funny take is oh but he is drag select a lot while Obsing. Well i doubt that will do anything..
Anyway i hope he recovers. With the amount of surgeries he had doesnt sound like it and is more a thing he will have to live with and it sucks. Is good to have him back tho. Even if he doesnt play ASL.
If you're clicking a ton and make the exact same movements while obsing as you would be playing, you're either ignorant af or you don't take your injury as serious enough as you claim, hence it's ironic.
Look into RSI and tendonitis, injury in general: symptons, cause and remedy. You'll probably have less doubt
You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL
Peeano basically said exactly that, like if you’re obsing similarly to how you play, you’re a fucking terrible observer. Was how I took it anyway?
I mean I’ve done shitloads of it in SC2, I use completely different settings and hotkeys to any of my playing profiles
On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?
Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.
Makes sense with how discouraged he looked last season
makes me sad though rain is the only person who can beat soulkey
I don't know if any Terrans are up to it in Bo7 (in ASL) right now, but in Bo3 surely Light and Rush have at least a chance. And we've seen over the last few seasons that Mini, Snow and Best all had chances to win. Similarly, a Zerg series would be coin-flippy.
SK isn't unbeatable, he just hasn't been knocked out of ASL in a while. Eventually even just variance will catch up to him.
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote: Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?
It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results. If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.
Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.
I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.
All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.
Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.
Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season.
On May 29 2025 06:03 LightSpectra wrote: Mods, is there a reason you're allowing Sziky and eon to blatantly troll and contribute nothing of value?
It is more TMNT. He actively gaslights tournament results. If Queen was any good at that previous semi tournament, he would show up to the finals, end of story. Snow being the best is not a current title, nor ever was. Just accept and move on.
Imbalance doesn't mean the favored race has a 100% win rate. Incredibly bad faith interpretation.
I don't agree with everything TMNT says but at least he backs up his opinions with stats and Korean pro opinions. The "imbalance doesn't exist" side apparently has nothing to add to the conversation other than strawman arguments.
All pros said Best would win. Wonderful example bringing in pros to disprove your point.
Not even a single one of the pros said that. After reading some of your recent comments I think you're actually trolling.
Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season.
Respect to Shuttle for his accomplishments, but hall of famer?
I'll concede on any point, but ASL = HoF. That is my nonnegotiable benchmark. There is no other accomplishment as revered as winning a GF. True, some of you look down on Shuttle, but Stork and Bisu are not far off being totally game breaking in the past. Shuttle still has that charisma. People like Flash, like it or not, make it a stepping stone to return to the limelight. Please don't ask me to post the game in order to roll back to when Flash was thinking about joining this season, but got coldfeet afterwards. That is the biggest accomplishment of Shuttle this season. He is such a big talker, should you lose to him, the fault rests entirely on yourself that you put your name on the line.
On July 03 2025 12:32 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: it’s better to see him regularly stream and play proleague than to destroy his wrists in an ASL and then never see him play again, his mind has so much more left to give the game, as shown by his new mineral-boost 13cc goliath build that he’s been stomping every zerg with
i do hope that learning good ergonomics can help better his condition; i don’t know if he’s changed it since but from the old videos of flash’s ruler setups his ergonomics were god awful with the chair being way too low forcing him to play with his arms in an awkward upward angle
This. It was a regular overstraining injury. People need to quit using regular mice and keyboards and use vertical mice and split vertical keyboards, though I'm not an expert on peripherals. Your hands are not well adapted to using antagonistic muscle groups simultaneously, eventhough that was the source of Flash's unholy fine motor control. I wonder if we will ever have better peripherals since it is a challenge. The reason unergonomic peripherals work is because they "lock" the wrist into position. Very bad for bursae and tendons sliding on them.
He really does not have anything more to prove in my opinion. No matter how you look at it, he will forever be remembered as the best bw player. Maybe he’s using his wrists as an excuse, or maybe his wrists won’t endure the amount of practice needed to get into ASL form. Doesn’t matter, he’s the goat anyway.
On July 06 2025 05:22 Timebon3s wrote: That goes without saying since bw is the hardest and best game of all time and nothing comes even remotely close :D
Agree 100% ! No game will ever come close ! Nothing !
Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.
Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.
I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote: Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.
Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.
I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.
Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport. No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.
The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote: Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.
Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.
I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.
Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport. No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.
The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.
There is truth to this, however the reason Flash is barred from entry is because JyJ laid out the entire SK gameplan open for Soulkey to learn through S15 to S17. There will never be another time when zerg is at a loss for tournament grade sparring partners. Not even JyJ has the same chance except if ASL were to bring back 76(I hope!). Terran still has the upper hand in island maps, but that is it. Zerg has both ground and air superiority. You need a Boxer level switch of gameplay to bring Terrans into the limelight again. I'd never believe the day would come, 2000s are fashionable again.
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.
On July 10 2025 22:10 Ideas wrote: It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.
the physical set up of mouse, keyboard, chair to desk height, and stretching the wrist flexor muscles all affect the chances of devloping wrist issues. proper set-up and injury prevention routines can completely prevent wrist issues. So no, not all pros have wrist issues.
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