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On July 18 2025 03:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
When you get called low iq dumbf*ck and pathetic for telling that FlaSh had 2 surgeries and insane pain so he is avoiding ASL. And the guy doesnt even get a warning
See, you are either very dishonest, or not so smart. Have you not read my previous post? You don't get called anything for telling the part in bold, Eon. You just get a very detailed counter argument from me.
You get called a dumbfck or whatever it is because you acted viciously against me just because I have an opinion, an opinion not so shocking that more than one person in this thread also share, including Bonyth.
As for this
TMNT out of curiosity if FlaSh decides to do an ASL run in 2-3 seasons and we see a glorious return of him dominating everyone. How will you take that ? Will be respectable or just pathetic that he had to skip few seasons ?
I don't know how to "take that". If he wins that means he has regained his form. If he loses that means he hasn't. What more to read from that? Applies to any season he may participate. You are so tunnel visioned into thinking that I implied "Flash is scared of Snow/Light/.." No I never said so. That you may lose to someone doesn't mean you're scared of someone. Is Dewalt scared of Bonyth? Pretty sure no.
I said he doesn't like entering the tournament when he doesn't have the highest odds to win. In other words, he likes to keep his record as flawless as possible, and entering a tournament when he's not at peak form may harm that record. I also consider that opinion the same with what Flash said himself, but worded in a blunt way. For some reasons you lot take serious offence with that and assume we're saying "Flash is scared, he is faking injuries blah blah" . Probably the fanboyism clouds your judgement or your reading comprehension.
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On July 18 2025 05:22 mtcn77 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 04:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:On July 18 2025 04:23 mtcn77 wrote:
I never thought terrans and protoss players would turn out to be spineless trolls and whiners and zerg players would push the entire scene forward, but you never know... here we are! Glad to be zerg. I always knew we had a few spare iq points you tesagi & 6dragons crowd left behind. We are truly living in strange times for sure. Where someone is getting surgeries back to back in less than 2 years and we claiming is all fake. He is just afraid to fight Snow/Mini/Best/Light in ASL. You gotta feel for FlaSTW tho. His idol is now a washed scared guy that dodges ASL LOL. Imagine using that nickname atm shiet. TMNT out of curiosity if FlaSh decides to do an ASL run in 2-3 seasons and we see a glorious return of him dominating everyone. How will you take that ? Will be respectable or just pathetic that he had to skip few seasons ? Will it have less credit in your eyes ? Genuinely curious about this. The insanity is I didn't take him serious when he claimed flash wasn't competing not to acknowledge Soulkey's 4 ASLs. That is why he claims flash isn't competing, just to spite Soulkey.
When was that claimed? :S Learn to fucking read oh my god. He said fans (especially, I imagine, Flash mans) may say ‘yeah Soulkey won again, but I mean, Flash wasn’t playing was he?’. Which, they will. How do I know this? Because it’s come up from some quarters every ASL that Flash was away with military or in coin exile.
I don’t think that’s a reason for Flash to play if he doesn’t want to, but it’s certainly not a claim that Flash is skipping out to spite Soulkey lmao.
Far as I can tell people are saying
A - Flash is playing enough StarCraft that he’s clearly physically fit enough to play StarCraft
B - He doesn’t want to play this ASL. Which could be for a number of reasons (people have given different), and fair enough it’s Flash’s life.
Somehow we end up in territory like having people indignant about people claiming Flash is faking injury when nobody did that
Dear Jesus H fucking Christ, what is this thread?
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On July 17 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:
But we can interpret the reason behind his decision to not compete offline, but still compete online.
This is just absurd, nine pages to "interpret" something that doesn't require any interpretation at all. Flash gave his reasons. If you don't believe him, good for you, but why do you always have to try to convince everyone to agree with you? Don't act baffled when people find you insufferable. Since you like analyzing other people so much, why don't you reflect on what kind of insecurities make you unable to accept that other people might not agree with you and fight with internet strangers all the time.
You've accused several people of being trolls. But why do you keep taking the bait? If you truly think they are trolls baiting you, then show them that you won't fall for it and ignore them. Your behavior is just plain childish.
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Somehow we end up in territory like having people indignant about people claiming Flash is faking injury when nobody did that
Threads tend to be like this when Eon is involved in the argument. He only argues in a general direction, not to the exact argument of the other side. And he tends to exaggerate, or sometimes even make up stuff that the other side doesn't say. He also usually doesn't fact check.
Last time he tried to ridicule me because he thought I said Snow is the best Protoss of all time. Obvious he misremembered. I won't be surprised if in a few months in another debate, he will claim that I accused Flash of faking injuries. I must warn you now Eon, don't do that.
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On July 18 2025 06:27 zzzzzerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:
But we can interpret the reason behind his decision to not compete offline, but still compete online.
This is just absurd, nine pages to "interpret" something that doesn't require any interpretation at all. Flash gave his reasons. If you don't believe him, good for you, but why do you always have to try to convince everyone to agree with you? Don't act baffled when people find you insufferable. Since you like analyzing other people so much, why don't you reflect on what kind of insecurities make you unable to accept that other people might not agree with you and fight with internet strangers all the time. You've accused several people of being trolls. But why do you keep taking the bait? If you truly think they are trolls baiting you, then show them that you won't fall for it and ignore them. Your behavior is just plain childish.
Does it really not require any interpretation? Or it's just that some people don't like to hear certain interpretations?
Anyway, I actually don't try to convince everyone. I gave my thoughts and why I thought so in the first few posts at the beginning of the thread, and left it for a while, until this dude made a mass insult:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 13 2025 07:07 Ze'ev wrote:
seems to be a weird trait in humans where we both adore successful people and despise them and project all our venom and disappointment and inadequacy in our own life on them when they stumble in order to feel better about ourselves. A lot of pathetic and spiteful people coming out of the woodwork in this thread.
But even in my response to that post, I just explained to him why I thought so. Nothing personal.
The rest of the thread is me arguing with just Eonzerg and no one else, partly because we have a history. I did make a mistake though by responding to mtcn on page 8 when he directly addressed me (had ignored him since page 1), although I ended that conversation as soon as I could.
If you trace back, there are more people I ignored than you thought. Like this dude who gave a direct insult to me:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 14 2025 08:29 tankgirl wrote:
sir, i hope you give birth to a hedgehog from whatever orifice you value most.
I think people should cut that kind of crap in their posts first before labelling anyone childish. Me, I just like to debate. It's kind of my main purpose on forums. I like to read other people debating too. What useful information I can get when everyone just repeat after each other "good game" "good game"....? Not for me.
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Something confuses me tho. When you guys say no one is saying FlaSh is faking injuries. Well if you dont trust when FlaSh is saying that he has wrist issues and will like to be healthy when participating in ASL ? Doesnt that mean that you are no trusting FlaSh words ? i mean to me that is the same.
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On July 18 2025 08:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Something confuses me tho. When you guys say no one is saying FlaSh is faking injuries. Well if you dont trust when FlaSh is saying that he has wrist issues and will like to be healthy when participating in ASL ? Doesnt that mean that you are no trusting FlaSh words ? i mean to me that is the same.
This is not a very well written sentence (basically saying if you don't trust something, doesn't that mean you don't trust something), but I will attempt:
Faking injury = you don't have injury but act like you have it.
In this case, if we are to believe Flash's words, he has wirst issues yes. But looking at Flash's actions , such issues haven't prevented him from playing a respectable amount of games, online, for months --> he's physically fit enough to pay offline. That doesn't necessarily have to mean he's in top condition. But fit enough to play nevertheless.
Are we clear?
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On July 18 2025 05:41 WombaT wrote:
Dear Jesus H fucking Christ, what is this thread?
The funniest thing is that the guy below you somehow got banned.
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On July 17 2025 04:36 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2025 00:21 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On July 17 2025 00:02 TMNT wrote:Our Stats friend TMNT However think progamers prepare for ASL just streaming in a weekly basis playing 2-3 games of proleague and thats how he messures progamer activity. No one said that. Honestly you are so pathetic. Again and again just twisting my words and never putting in any critical thinking. The game counts are from ALL online games, not just Proleague. As for the Chinese ultimate battle, Flash do play in them and have his share of unrecorded games too. Unless you have the data, you can't prove otherwise. Note that no discrepancy in the Chinese ultimate battle can make up for the 100 games Soulkey played less than Flash the past 9 months. It's baffling that while I can present data and methodology to prove my point, you have fuck all to show apart from pulling arguments out of your ass and assuming they are right by default, hence I must be wrong. Soulkey knows how to maintain his form by only committing to quality practice and matches. He is more about brain and coordination than raw mechanics. every player has different needs to stay in form. to each their own. are they wrong for doing things differently? No they aren't. Practice however they want. But not getting ideal practice conditions is not a good reason to dodge offline competitons. I'm sure the ASL dudes with kids and families don't have ideal practice conditions either. Didn't Snow and Light both have issues with their newborns prior to the last ASL that affect their game (Light even took a major break right before ASL because of that)? I don't see them skipping ASL. And it's especially true when you are still competing online. Last, Larva and Effort all cited injuries to retire from competitive BW, and while we can never know how much their injuries actually affected their performance or capability to play ASL, their actions were consistent with their words: they stayed away from competitive games even online. Flash is the only one who cites injury, giving his fans the impression of him being physically incapable to play, while at the same time putting in a very healthy amount of games online - the amount large enough that doesn't suggest such incapability. I think it's totally fair to question his motive in this case. Look no further than this thread, there are already comments from his fans saying "get well soon Flash" (suggesting the injury totally handicaps him from playing), or "Flash would have beaten everyone if his wirsts are still good". And that would be the general sentiment among fans when he plays the injury card as an excuse. We are talking about a guy who got mad and proclaimed to put Jangbi to shame only because Jangbi said he wasn't afraid of him (thus not appeasing to his ego), then proceeded to devalue Jangbi's OSL achievements because "we couldn't practice SC1 as much as him". Well, 10 years from now people could say a similar thing "Soulkey only won 4/5 ASL in a row because Flash didn't play because of injury". Maybe Flash doesn't mean for things to be like that, but from a PR point of view, people would more likely say that if he "retires due to injury".
Not quite. Back then during ASL 7-8 korean poster letmelose was still active. It was a known fact that Last wrecked his arm during ASL 6/ KSL 2, played ASL 7 under heavy painmedication further destroying his arm. You can see it during ASL 8 and KSL 3 when he had sub 200 apm due to the pain. Letmelose stated, that Last case is far beyond just wrist injury in magnitude, that he needs constant medication for his arm. You can even read his interview to confirm that.
Effort had a failed wrist surgery in military, you can confirm that from his homepage as well as from here.
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having experience with competitively natured perfectionists, such as flash, they tend to have the "all or nothing menality". not saying Flash has it, but the chances are high based on his behavior and actions in the past. He likely feels he cant put in his "all" because he can't meet his own perceived "perfect conditions", due to his nerve pathology, so he decides to completely ditch the competitiveness aspect of his Starcraft play, and focus on just entertaining, and playing. He has the right to do this as an authentic individual. Likewise we have to right to voice our opinions and make assumptions, whether based on induction or deduction.
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On July 18 2025 14:26 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2025 08:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Something confuses me tho. When you guys say no one is saying FlaSh is faking injuries. Well if you dont trust when FlaSh is saying that he has wrist issues and will like to be healthy when participating in ASL ? Doesnt that mean that you are no trusting FlaSh words ? i mean to me that is the same. This is not a very well written sentence (basically saying if you don't trust something, doesn't that mean you don't trust something), but I will attempt: Faking injury = you don't have injury but act like you have it. In this case, if we are to believe Flash's words, he has wirst issues yes. But looking at Flash's actions , such issues haven't prevented him from playing a respectable amount of games, online, for months --> he's physically fit enough to pay offline. That doesn't necessarily have to mean he's in top condition. But fit enough to play nevertheless. Are we clear?
I think a mistake you are doing is asuming that those daily games in a weekly basis on stream are enough for FlaSh to catch up with others. When Zero and Piano comeback from Military they were putting insane amount of games offstream to recover skill. Im talking 35-50 games daily if i remember Piano words.
I mean a mistake in general is thinking that progamers practise on stream. I think a more close aproach to how a progamer practise was how Fantasy was doing it when he participate in the Saudi thing. Now i dont think most of progamers are doing that for sure cuz there are not enough hours. However they doing it for ASL for sure when they are preparing builds and preparing for an opponent. Source: Basically the ASL interviews. and they are gone from proleagues few days.
Take Soulkey as an example. Basically when soulkey is doing bad in proleagues he always take a break for few days and post that he will practise offline to gain form.
I think we can asume that FlaSh playing x number of games on stream is not really contributing to hit a point where he struggles. Proleagues helps a lot with this. However he was grinding hardcore after the military he has had to notice that after putting x hours he wrist was already hurting and he scheduled a new surgery that he got in may 21st.
I think other mistake you are doing is that you are saying FlaSh is playing the most of anyone etc. Well he had surgery while in military and played X amount of games yes. And the pain is back. He got a new surgery. That basically reset everything.
When an athlete injures himself after playing 5 months into the season. If he gets surgery he will be back most likely in 2-3 months depending and there is a period where he adapts and cant instantly back to training.
When you are inactive in something is pretty obvious that at the start do you need to put more time to catch up. All depending how far are yours opponents. While FlaSh was recovering from Surgery not only he was already behind from his peers but also his peers are still grinding. Thats why when you put this data from june 21st that made it looks like FlaSh in that short period of time outplayed everyone is also being dishonest and manipulating the data. You know how many bo7 of SK /Queen / Snow / mini i have watched in that period of time that is not included in that data ? A good amount. And FlaSh was nowhere to be found.
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On July 18 2025 18:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
having experience with competitively natured perfectionists, such as flash, they tend to have the "all or nothing menality". not saying Flash has it, but the chances are high based on his behavior and actions in the past. He likely feels he cant put in his "all" because he can't meet his own perceived "perfect conditions", due to his nerve pathology, so he decides to completely ditch the competitiveness aspect of his Starcraft play, and focus on just entertaining, and playing. He has the right to do this as an authentic individual. Likewise we have to right to voice our opinions and make assumptions, whether based on induction or deduction.
Most importantly people don't have the right to bully a completely reasonable forum user such as TMNT.
And when I call him reasonable, that's not because I agree with him all the time. I've had heavy discussions with him before where we ended up completely disagreeing. Yet somehow we didn't throw bricks at each other. That should be the norm.
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Allright, it's time to settle this.
Poll: What team are you on?team TMNT (16) 40% team eon (16) 40% team popcorn (8) 20% 40 total votes Your vote: What team are you on? (Vote): team TMNT
(Vote): team eon
(Vote): team popcorn
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Wow the guy who actually plays the game a lot is the only one with the correct opinion. Who would have thought.
Of course thats also the opinion thats losing the poll. Crazy world we are in.
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I'm an arbiter ! 
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On July 19 2025 03:05 Lorch wrote:
Wow the guy who actually plays the game a lot is the only one with the correct opinion. Who would have thought.
Of course thats also the opinion thats losing the poll. Crazy world we are in.
The poll is just a joke lol. Not even sure the few people who voted for it mean to agree with me or eon.
But you're talking as if the "correct opinion" is something already set in stone and we're trying to solve it, like to find an "answer".
The last thing is Bonyth also plays the game a lot and has the opposite opinion to Eon. Crazy world eh? But maybe because he plays Protoss and doesn't know what wrist pain is and he has 5 girlfriends etc. who knows.
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On July 19 2025 04:08 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2025 03:05 Lorch wrote:
Wow the guy who actually plays the game a lot is the only one with the correct opinion. Who would have thought.
Of course thats also the opinion thats losing the poll. Crazy world we are in. The poll is just a joke lol. Not even sure the few people who voted for it mean to agree with me or eon. But you're talking as if the "correct opinion" is something already set in stone and we're trying to solve it, like to find an "answer". The last thing is Bonyth also plays the game a lot and has the opposite opinion to Eon. Crazy world eh? But maybe because he plays Protoss and doesn't know what wrist pain is and he has 5 girlfriends etc. who knows.
As a supreme random player, I hereby declare all single race players's opinions void! random master race!
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On July 19 2025 04:08 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2025 03:05 Lorch wrote:
Wow the guy who actually plays the game a lot is the only one with the correct opinion. Who would have thought.
Of course thats also the opinion thats losing the poll. Crazy world we are in. The poll is just a joke lol. Not even sure the few people who voted for it mean to agree with me or eon. But you're talking as if the "correct opinion" is something already set in stone and we're trying to solve it, like to find an "answer". The last thing is Bonyth also plays the game a lot and has the opposite opinion to Eon. Crazy world eh? But maybe because he plays Protoss and doesn't know what wrist pain is and he has 5 girlfriends etc. who knows.
When its the goat telling you about wrist issues, yeah there is a correct opinion.
Good thing you figured out that Bonyth part all by yourself. You missed the part where protoss players don't even play the game that much.
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On July 19 2025 05:49 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2025 04:08 TMNT wrote:On July 19 2025 03:05 Lorch wrote:
Wow the guy who actually plays the game a lot is the only one with the correct opinion. Who would have thought.
Of course thats also the opinion thats losing the poll. Crazy world we are in. The poll is just a joke lol. Not even sure the few people who voted for it mean to agree with me or eon. But you're talking as if the "correct opinion" is something already set in stone and we're trying to solve it, like to find an "answer". The last thing is Bonyth also plays the game a lot and has the opposite opinion to Eon. Crazy world eh? But maybe because he plays Protoss and doesn't know what wrist pain is and he has 5 girlfriends etc. who knows. When its the goat telling you about wrist issues, yeah there is a correct opinion. Good thing you figured out that Bonyth part all by yourself. You missed the part where protoss players don't even play the game that much.
Whatever the goat tells you about wrist issues and whether it's correct or not, doesn't contradict with my opinion....
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On July 18 2025 18:38 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
having experience with competitively natured perfectionists, such as flash, they tend to have the "all or nothing menality". not saying Flash has it, but the chances are high based on his behavior and actions in the past. He likely feels he cant put in his "all" because he can't meet his own perceived "perfect conditions", due to his nerve pathology, so he decides to completely ditch the competitiveness aspect of his Starcraft play, and focus on just entertaining, and playing. He has the right to do this as an authentic individual. Likewise we have to right to voice our opinions and make assumptions, whether based on induction or deduction.
Why are you saying Flash is faking his injures? /s
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