EPTFlash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL - Page 11
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iFU.pauline
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TornadoSteve
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TMNT
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On July 18 2025 20:10 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I think a mistake you are doing is asuming that those daily games in a weekly basis on stream are enough for FlaSh to catch up with others. No I don't assume that. I assume he's fit enough to play, not to beat everyone. His results online are actually not bad at all, if not one of the best. Look, with that playing intensity in the past 9 monhs, he has a positive record vs Soulkey, Rush, Hero, JD, Queen. He seems to do worse vs Protoss (negative vs Snow, Mini, Best, and 50/50 vs Rain, Bisu), and although he played Light only a few times, doesn't look like he's gonna beat him anytime soon. If you hide the name of Flash and look at that record, it gives you the impression of someone who is slightly better than Royal/JYJ (just a rough estimation). You think that level is not enough for ASL? And you'd probably respond to that by saying "but Flash wants to compete in his best condition, not at the level of a Royal/JYJ". Yes, that is exactly my point. I think other mistake you are doing is that you are saying FlaSh is playing the most of anyone etc Maybe just pedantic here, but I've never said "the most". Even when I laid out the data that he's played 100 games more than Soulkey in the last 9 months, the direct comparison is not even important. The point is that Flash's game count is not low - not of someone whose wrists don't allow him to play at the top level. While FlaSh was recovering from Surgery not only he was already behind from his peers but also his peers are still grinding. Thats why when you put this data from june 21st that made it looks like FlaSh in that short period of time outplayed everyone is also being dishonest and manipulating the data. Dude. You are the one who asked for the data after his latest surgery. Not me. How can I manipulate it? - If you want to compare his level of activity to his peers, you have to start the count at the moment he played his first game after surgery, which is 21st of June. - Are you seriously suggesting that not manipulating the data = counting from the moment of his surgery that is 21st of May? So we're gonna count the one month that Flash stayed in the hospital (or elsewhere) while the others were playing and have a ratio like 0-100 and conclude that his surgery stopped him from playing? Yeah no shit Sherlock. But I thought we're measuring his activity (meaning when he's able to act again), not his inactivity. Did you have some science class in school? I mean, if you really use this methodology, then why not count the games from the moment Flash went to military? He had like 4 years with 0 games while the others had thousands. You win already. You know how many bo7 of SK /Queen / Snow / mini i have watched in that period of time that is not included in that data ? A good amount. And FlaSh was nowhere to be found. Feel free to share the actual data if you can. We don't do impression here. But even so, it doesn't matter. The period from 21st of June until now is short anyway. Why do you keep ignoring the whole period from October 2024? What is the reason for him skipping ASL19 then? | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
I literally stick to FlaSh words. Guy is recovering from a surgery and want to give himself time. People dont wanna believe him. It is what it is. | ||
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TMNT
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FlaSh is not playing ASL to not damage his stats and keep it godlike and this Guy is recovering from a surgery and want to give himself time are not mutually exclusive. | ||
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Fleetfeet
Canada2645 Posts
On July 19 2025 08:12 TMNT wrote: This and this are not mutually exclusive. Sure, in the same way a glass can be half full and half empty. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 19 2025 08:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Hey TMNT You literally said that FlaSh is not playing ASL to no damage his stats and keep it godlike. And you know what ? People in that poll support your theory. You won the war bro. I literally stick to FlaSh words. Guy is recovering from a surgery and want to give himself time. People dont wanna believe him. It is what it is. The reason why I voted team TMNT is because he's the one not being insufferable in this discussion. Has nothing to do with whether I agree with him or not. I don't even know how much I agree or disagree because I didn't care to fact check everything. Your arguments might be better overall. But TMNT presents his arguments and that's it, while you instead prefer to attack him as a person without a good reason for doing so. Therefore he wins my vote. | ||
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TMNT
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6811 Posts
On July 19 2025 20:23 TMNT wrote: FYI I just voted team popcorn myself I CAN DO THE FUNNIEST THING RN AND PUT YOUR CAREER TO SLEEP STATS GUY!!! ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/mwLLuar.png) Hey will anyone put me in the blender for voting myself ? LOL Not doing it do. That is pitty as fck.. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey658 Posts
Still, I would like to know what I'm arguing against sometimes. TMNT please talk in plain english rather than negatives. I don't think no one has to suffer reading through your texts until you held the responsibility of clearing up the confusion you started by sending mixed messages. PS: this thread is so much like Flash's persona. People claim Shuttle is a joke, but Flash as time goes by is proving himself to be just the jester himself. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On July 19 2025 20:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I CAN DO THE FUNNIEST THING RN AND PUT YOUR CAREER TO SLEEP STATS GUY!!! Hey will anyone put me in the blender for voting myself ? LOL Not doing it do. That is pitty as fck.. Sure, four people in a row all just voted team eon. Very believable. | ||
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TMNT
3117 Posts
On July 19 2025 20:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I CAN DO THE FUNNIEST THING RN AND PUT YOUR CAREER TO SLEEP STATS GUY!!! . What do you mean by this? And why seems so serious? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On July 19 2025 13:42 Fleetfeet wrote: Sure, in the same way a glass can be half full and half empty. We see it in various sports all the time, only in something of the opposite direction. Either through ageing, injury or a combination of the two, people ration their workload, skip games or tournaments so that they can hold it together and challenge for a big prestige one. Yeah Roger Federer is fit enough for some stock ATP 500 event, but he’d rather be the best he can be for Wimbledon or whatever. Flash is effectively doing the opposite, and skipping Wimbledon for now so people can watch his practice sessions (or whatever the analogy would be to tennis). Cricket might be a better example, more than most sports, perhaps outside baseball your spot in the pantheon and how you’re judged by future generations is super stat-driven. Some will plough through regardless, but some will test themselves if they think they’re below their absolute best, even if they’re still capable of performing well. Of course, there’s a bit of a fan divide here. I think for a lot of the foreign audience, ASL is the big one, or indeed the only gig in town. That of course, is not the case for a lot of the BW audience, nor is it economically the big driver of things. So the aforementioned analogy doesn’t really work all that well :p The ecosystem is rather different. Hopefully Flash can get himself in a shape where he’s happy to compete for future ASLs, I don’t think it’s some outrageous thing not to play in them or anything, but still a bit of a loss to the tournament nonetheless. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey658 Posts
On July 19 2025 08:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Hey TMNT You literally said that FlaSh is not playing ASL to no damage his stats and keep it godlike. And you know what ? People in that poll support your theory. You won the war bro. I literally stick to FlaSh words. Guy is recovering from a surgery and want to give himself time. People dont wanna believe him. It is what it is. Fighting games have this put up or shut up policy. If you can do better, rather than bad mouthing the players, why not play in the tournament. I think these posters need to remember to stake their own reputation instead of others, first and foremost. Flash is by all records a respectable pro, not in the least up to TMNT's credibility of his intentions in the actions he takes. The fact that he has surpassed a starcraft pro is no less the same as rain whenever he wants to compete that he can return to the scene. It is silly to try to malign more knowledgeble people such as flash and rain. They have better checkpoints to understand where they stand in the game. What might seem ignorance might be prospective patience until their skills, or the their opponents are ready for a burst into the scene. Let's face it, these players don't have the tenacity of JyJ and Soulkey. Those are true grinders. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26265 Posts
On July 19 2025 21:02 mtcn77 wrote: Team popcorn all the way. Still, I would like to know what I'm arguing against sometimes. TMNT please talk in plain english rather than negatives. I don't think no one has to suffer reading through your texts until you held the responsibility of clearing up the confusion you started by sending mixed messages. PS: this thread is so much like Flash's persona. People claim Shuttle is a joke, but Flash as time goes by is proving himself to be just the jester himself. A confusion that seems quite limited to yourself. I certainly don’t find our resident mutant turtle’s contributions confusing at all. Shuttle isn’t a joke? He very much does seem to be the butt of many a joke, albeit in a generally good-natured fashion. On July 19 2025 21:21 mtcn77 wrote: Fighting games have this put up or shut up policy. If you can do better, rather than bad mouthing the players, why not play in the tournament. I think these posters need to remember to stake their own reputation instead of others, first and foremost. Flash is by all records a respectable pro, not in the least up to TMNT's credibility of his intentions in the actions he takes. The fact that he has surpassed a starcraft pro is no less the same as rain whenever he wants to compete that he can return to the scene. It is silly to try to malign more knowledgeble people such as flash and rain. They have better checkpoints to understand where they stand in the game. What might seem ignorance might be prospective patience until their skills, or the their opponents are ready for a burst into the scene. Let's face it, these players don't have the tenacity of JyJ and Soulkey. Those are true grinders. TMNT never said he could do better lmao, so why would they challenge Flash? If you hide the name of Flash and look at that record, it gives you the impression of someone who is slightly better than Royal/JYJ (just a rough estimation). You think that level is not enough for ASL? I mean it’s right here. TMNT thinks Flash’s current level is more than respectable/competitive. He’s not saying he’s some scrub lmao | ||
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TMNT
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In contrast, SCRVN writes broken English most of the times, but at least we still understand what he tries to say. I honestly think the mods need to do something about this. Yeah it's not against any rule but we shouldn't allow more confusions. He has done the same thing in multiple topics for months now. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey658 Posts
On July 19 2025 21:32 WombaT wrote: A confusion that seems quite limited to yourself. I certainly don’t find our resident mutant turtle’s contributions confusing at all. Shuttle isn’t a joke? He very much does seem to be the butt of many a joke, albeit in a generally good-natured fashion. TMNT never said he could do better lmao, so why would they challenge Flash? I mean it’s right here. TMNT thinks Flash’s current level is more than respectable/competitive. He’s not saying he’s some scrub lmao He has been ascribing false motivations to flash about why he wasn't competing. I think he got a few people more than myself angry with his very poor intention reading. Two people got modded because of his misread he so touted so loudly until nobody could take it anymore. I wouldn't want that weighing on my conscience. I take responsibility of my actions, but he is a typical troll causing trouble. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1119 Posts
On July 19 2025 21:21 mtcn77 wrote: Fighting games have this put up or shut up policy. If you can do better, rather than bad mouthing the players, why not play in the tournament. I think these posters need to remember to stake their own reputation instead of others, first and foremost. Flash is by all records a respectable pro, not in the least up to TMNT's credibility of his intentions in the actions he takes. The fact that he has surpassed a starcraft pro is no less the same as rain whenever he wants to compete that he can return to the scene. It is silly to try to malign more knowledgeble people such as flash and rain. They have better checkpoints to understand where they stand in the game. What might seem ignorance might be prospective patience until their skills, or the their opponents are ready for a burst into the scene. Let's face it, these players don't have the tenacity of JyJ and Soulkey. Those are true grinders. Correction. JyJ reduced his activity by 90% after winning ASL. He is the opposite of a grinder these days. Soulkey also doesn't grind. Soulkey plays best with moderate amounts of physical practice. he likely brainstorms a whole lot more than he practices. The true grinders are Royal, Soma, Rush, BTS, Larva(spams games when he is active), Speed(plays 15-30 bgh per day). The others are much less active. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey658 Posts
On July 19 2025 21:44 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: Correction. JyJ reduced his activity by 90% after winning ASL. He is the opposite of a grinder these days. Soulkey also doesn't grind. Soulkey plays best with moderate amounts of physical practice. he likely brainstorms a whole lot more than he practices. No, no, I only mean right after Royal's ASL14 victory. Those two filled the gap Royal left behind. I don't mean today. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1119 Posts
On July 19 2025 21:46 mtcn77 wrote: No, no, I only mean right after Royal's ASL14 victory. Those two filled the gap Royal left behind. I don't mean today. ah, you mean true competitors :p | ||
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