Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL

On July 02 2025 13:39 goody153 wrote:
I was always curious how he holds up vs current Soulkey who looks unbeatable. I guess he still plays broodwar but cant practice extensively to the point of getting to competitive form I assume

He might really just be a streamer from now on

On July 02 2025 13:42 jinjin5000 wrote:


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On July 02 2025 18:26 TMNT wrote:
Yes I'm with Bonyth on this one. While it's a valid reason to not compete anymore, to me it feels like it's a convenient excuse for him to keep his image. He doesn't want to enter the tournament not being the clear favourite he was before. He hasn't had a positive record against Snow, Best, Mini and especially Light since coming back. That leaves him in the spot of "just one of the top Terrans" - not the undisputed goat player. Rather keep the image of "he can win when he wants" than being just one of the contenders.

It's a bit like Rain with his laid back preparation in ASL to keep the image of "the most talented Protoss, if he puts in the effort and stops playing League he'd win another ASL and become a Protoss bonjwa"

On July 02 2025 14:59 Bonyth wrote:
First entering tournament with random, then dodges an ASL, then retiring until 'he feels better'. Sure, this has absolutely nothing to do with PR and potential ego loss.

On July 02 2025 13:39 goody153 wrote:
I was always curious how he holds up vs current Soulkey who looks unbeatable. I guess he still plays broodwar but cant practice extensively to the point of getting to competitive form I assume

He might really just be a streamer from now on

On July 03 2025 00:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
No gonna lie some of you are OD as fck. FlaSh had surgery while in military. He had a new surgery 1 month ago . And at the moment is rehabilitating too. Im not sure why he kept playing tho instead of focusing on full recovery. Is like trying to do half / half . I imagine there are days where he feels good to play and others that he just cant. Who knows for how long he is been taking painkillers too.

He is already playing in proleagues and losing to Mini / Snow / best so what difference will it make to lose to them in ASL ? LOL.

Also saying stuff oh but he is spaming games like crazy vs Soma is non sense. Most of the games were short. And you can tell he is strugling when he is doing all those mech builds that requires less effort from him.

Another funny take is oh but he is drag select a lot while Obsing.
Well i doubt that will do anything..

Anyway i hope he recovers. With the amount of surgeries he had doesnt sound like it and is more a thing he will have to live with and it sucks. Is good to have him back tho. Even if he doesnt play ASL.

On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?

Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.

On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?

Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.

On July 03 2025 01:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
Rain is literally our only hope

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Our hope for what???

Just say you want your guy to win like everyone else

On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?

Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.

On July 03 2025 07:51 parkin wrote:
How do many of these pro-gamers injure their wrists/hands? Is it the tendons, muscles, skeleton or something else?

Is there nothing they can do to avoid these injuries?

Is there nothing they can do to heal from the injuries once they've happened?

On July 03 2025 10:54 Agh wrote:



It's almost always self inflicted from a poor setup.

If you have ANY wrist, elbow, shoulder, neck or back discomfort at all after playing then your setup is flawed. (Much less actual pain)



Properly tapered and angled wrist rests for your keyboard are highly recommended.
Those thick blocky keyboards especially for general gaming promote a harmful wrist angle as they're often hinged downwards(especially true if you hover your hands) or to the side.

Contact with your wrist/forearm at all on the edge of a table or desk will also do significant harm.
Applies to keyboard hand as well but your mouse hand should have almost all contact across your thenar & hypothenar (bottom of your palm).


Sadly isn't an issue isolated to pro-gamers. People just ignore their body or accept suboptimal conditions.

On July 03 2025 22:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL

On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?

Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.

On July 03 2025 22:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL

On July 04 2025 04:02 ShowTheLights wrote:


Makes sense with how discouraged he looked last season

makes me sad though rain is the only person who can beat soulkey

On July 03 2025 12:32 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
it’s better to see him regularly stream and play proleague than to destroy his wrists in an ASL and then never see him play again, his mind has so much more left to give the game, as shown by his new mineral-boost 13cc goliath build that he’s been stomping every zerg with

i do hope that learning good ergonomics can help better his condition; i don’t know if he’s changed it since but from the old videos of flash’s ruler setups his ergonomics were god awful with the chair being way too low forcing him to play with his arms in an awkward upward angle

On July 05 2025 23:50 Timebon3s wrote:
No matter how you look at it, he will forever be remembered as the best bw player.
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On July 06 2025 05:22 Timebon3s wrote:
That goes without saying since bw is the hardest and best game of all time and nothing comes even remotely close :D

On July 06 2025 17:37 Magic Powers wrote:


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.

On July 10 2025 22:10 Ideas wrote:
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.

On July 11 2025 01:03 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

the physical set up of mouse, keyboard, chair to desk height, and stretching the wrist flexor muscles all affect the chances of devloping wrist issues. proper set-up and injury prevention routines can completely prevent wrist issues. So no, not all pros have wrist issues.

On July 13 2025 04:00 jinjin5000 wrote:
update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWYaprlhyQ

lol

And clarification: Flash and RAIN are the only people who can stop SK

unforunately both out next season

On July 06 2025 17:37 Magic Powers wrote:


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.

On July 08 2025 00:13 tankgirl wrote:
this is the most cringe thread ive ever read

what the fuck is wrong with people

get well soon, flash.

On July 13 2025 04:00 jinjin5000 wrote:
update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWYaprlhyQ

lol

On July 11 2025 05:57 mtcn77 wrote:

There are multiple issues. Carpal tunnel is triggered by those you describe above. Ulnar tunnel, from what I read, is very strictly related to vibration. I think Flash was was wearing an elbow brace. I'm very late to the debate, if anybody would verify if it was indeed the elbow he got surgery from: #1.

On July 13 2025 07:07 Ze'ev wrote:
seems to be a weird trait in humans where we both adore successful people and despise them and project all our venom and disappointment and inadequacy in our own life on them when they stumble in order to feel better about ourselves. A lot of pathetic and spiteful people coming out of the woodwork in this thread.

On July 13 2025 16:48 Magic Powers wrote:


He had those surgeries - including the associated pain - during his peak for many years.

On July 13 2025 19:29 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

its not a pathology that develops because of vibration. It develops under the same conditions as carpal tunnel syndrome. consistent and repetitive pressure on the nerve causing compression. this can be caused by multiple things, such as resting the hand exactly on the ulnar tunnel, a cyst or tumor growing exactly there, tightness in the muscles/soft tissue caused by overuse of the muscles in small tiny movements, ones made when holding a mouse for example, or having enlarges blood vessels which compresses the ulnar tunnel. Another less common cause is a genetic growth deviation that makes the tunnel more narrow than it should have been, which increases the risk of ulnar tunnel pathology by a lot. I for example have mid carpal instability syndrome, where some ligaments in my wirst are, since birth, deformed or lax and are unable to keep my mid carpal bones rigidly in place, resulting in them being able to slightlt move around my in my wrist. this puts me at an increased probability of developing carpal or ulnar tunnel pathologies. To prevent this I take very good care of my wrists.

On July 13 2025 21:25 TMNT wrote:Flash served his military service - which in fact was only civil service - since mid 2021, and finished in early 2023, but only returned to BW in early 2025. He could have had his "surgery(ies?)" at any time during that 4 years. But nope, injuries didn't prevent him from playing before military, from grinding the ladder on multiple occasions, or from playing just as many recorded online games as Soulkey. Only when it comes to ASL then he can't play because of injuries.

Frankly what Flash is saying is essentially just the same thing with what I'm saying, just worded in a positive way: he doesn't want to compete in ASL because he can't be at his 100% ~ he doesn't want to compete in ASL because he doesn't like not being the clear favorite.

On July 14 2025 08:29 tankgirl wrote:




i am actually so angry right now :<

i had a surgery 5 years ago and still have pain and there is not a day where i am not affected.

Im outta here. So long, TL. It was fun. But this is the end. This is the end of the internet.

sir, i hope you give birth to a hedgehog from whatever orifice you value most.

On July 14 2025 05:15 Magic Powers wrote:


If them getting worse is why he considered dropping out of ASL, then playing a lot of games with high APM was a bad move on his part.
There's no reason to baby Flash like that. He knows what he's doing, he's a well adjusted adult.

On July 14 2025 08:38 mtcn77 wrote:

Don't worry about him. I have muscle damage due to too much eccentric muscle exercise, but these know it alls would make you question yourself. Don't look for recognition in the uninitiated crowd. You won't find any.

On July 14 2025 08:38 mtcn77 wrote:

Don't worry about him. I have muscle damage due to too much eccentric muscle exercise, but these know it alls would make you question yourself. Don't look for recognition in the uninitiated crowd. You won't find any.

On July 14 2025 08:29 tankgirl wrote:




i am actually so angry right now :<

i had a surgery 5 years ago and still have pain and there is not a day where i am not affected.

Im outta here. So long, TL. It was fun. But this is the end. This is the end of the internet.

sir, i hope you give birth to a hedgehog from whatever orifice you value most.

On July 14 2025 09:12 WombaT wrote:

I don’t think anyone is questioning Flash having injury issues.

I’ve got some pains myself, my right elbow has been fucked for as long as I can remember, and my wrists ain’t great. Can’t play guitar or bass like I used to volume wise, even if I’m as ergonomic and judicious as I can be.

And yeah there’s an intensity element too, but if I was regularly streaming myself for hours playing instruments and idk bailing on playing concerts, it’s not entirely an issue of physical condition.

Flash could easily play ASL, and do well. But he wants to feel as close to 100% before he does that. Nothing wrong with that at all!

But this pearl clutching is ridiculous, he’s able to pump out tons of games, maybe not at his peak level but he’s playing tons of StarCraft.

On July 14 2025 18:51 Magic Powers wrote:


Flash was absent for two years. Not ten or twenty years. Two years. He aged no more than 6-7%. He's in his early 30s. That's often considered the prime of people's life, especially in sports. And during that his wrists were able to rest.
The age argument makes no sense.

On July 14 2025 19:18 mtcn77 wrote:

"Makes no sense" as in you don't know what you are talking about. Name one pro who has returned after a big break. I'm talking about the fundamentals of good performance, and scarcity thereof, you are talking whether time even makes a difference. In this conjecture even JD and Bisu can return to former glory. Why not July, too?
Your wrists are not regenerable tissue, you are not a lizard. The collagen that repairs is different from the original.

On July 14 2025 19:47 Piste wrote:

Well Flash already did come from a loong break and became the best again.

I don't think it's about regenerating tissue, but getting rid of the pain which is a different thing.

On July 14 2025 07:56 mtcn77 wrote:

See, that is the difference between us, too. I thought I knew that much, still I read a review and found out it is due to vibration.
PS: you are being like Flash, wrong and repetitive. Try your luck at explaining it, I know enough not to dissert any opinion of my own. It's an entirely different specialty.
PS2: your reply has this vague "AI slop" vibe, I cannot put my finger on.
PS3: oh, you made a self reference at the end. I hope your switches don't vibrate a lot. Loud switches might have a propensity to more wrist vibration, although you may sandbox with your health for all I care.

On July 14 2025 16:51 Magic Powers wrote:


If he shouldn't participate in a tournament, then why should he play hundreds of games with high APM ahead of said tournament?
His excuse doesn't make sense. Either he wants to play a tournament or he doesn't. But if he doesn't, then he shouldn't instead want to play hundreds of other games at a similar level.

The only logical conclusion is that Flash's difficulty in returning to the top spot has nothing to do with his injuries. He can't win 70-75% of games anymore (as he used to) not because his injuries are holding him back, it's because other players have gotten so much better. Logically Flash would no longer be able to outperform them.

This is not a dig at Flash, and I still respect his abilities as a player. But I also respect the competition. I've seen what they can do over the years, and their level of skill is mind-blowing. Soma (now instead SoulKey), Snow and Light represent peak modern Starcraft. They put in the hours, they show the results, and they can now even compete with peak Flash. That is incredible.

Instead of putting Flash down, instead of criticizing his abilities as a player, I choose to uplift other players. And that's something that more people should do in general. More people should acknowledge how good other players have gotten - and Flash himself should also acknowledge that (he probably has, I would assume). We have effectively half a dozen different players competing at the highest level right now - at a level similar to Flash's all-time peak.

On July 14 2025 19:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm. Or you guys have some secret data from ladder that i dont know about ? Cuz what literally happened when FlaSh was grinding ladder was a surgery lol.

https://ch.sooplive.co.kr/byflash/vods

On July 15 2025 06:44 Magic Powers wrote:


Stop with the ad hominems.

On July 15 2025 06:28 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Mind to post the stats post Surgery ?

So you are saying FlaSh has played 55 games i imagine official games on proleague ? Or does that count sponsored games etc ?

On July 15 2025 18:32 TMNT wrote:

Let me frame it in another way: if the argument for Flash not playing in ASL is "His injury/surgery does not let him", then why the same injury/surgery still allows him to have as much, if not more, online activities as Light and Soulkey, not to mention him spam clicking like a mad man while just observing games?

On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?

I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?

No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.

On July 15 2025 23:06 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


But FlaSh surgery happened the 21 may.

Mind posting the stats from that date ? I deadass think you do that shit in purpose lol. I was telling how flash not been as active as his peers. And you came like usual with your cherry picking. You know what. NVM. lol

On July 15 2025 23:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
So i asked about FlaSh activity but you went ahead and posted others activity and saying others maybe should not play ASL either when in reality you just ignore that others were indeed active while FlaSh wasnt. Hey man it is what it is. You doing that from day 1 one.

Also idk where this energy is coming from that guys are saying FlaSh is playing a lot. you can basically go to his afreeca page and see that he is one of the less active players atm.

On July 16 2025 01:20 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


I didnt question how active has been FlaSh in the past. We are talking about why FlaSh is not participating in the next ASL.

FlaSh was super active by your data. Then had a surgery cuz i imagine the pain was too much right ? or there is not surgery and everything is fake and now he is playing again. ASL got announced and he is dodging it to no feel the shame of losing vs Light/Mini/Snow/Best.

It doesnt really occur to you that he is not participating cuz the pain is too much after putting the work he think is required to win a tournament ?

Isnt FlaSh known as someone that put insane of hours in practice ? He doesnt even consider himself talented but a guy that put insane amount of work.

I mean right now we are in this weird arguments where a human is having pain and is forced to get surgeries to try to fix it.A player that stopped his progaming career in his prime in order to fix the issue. And we are just no believing him and instead find more accurate to accuse him of dodging the tournament cuz he is not favorite.

2 surgeries in less than 2 years is crazy btw.

I cant even believe we have people like that thinking this way honestly.

On July 16 2025 01:48 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:


He just had surgery may 21 tho ? He played 478 games then had surgery what that means TMNT ?

BTW idk if where do you live one day you wake up and do you feel pain and just decide to go to the Hospital to get surgery. Usually what happen is that you have this issue and do you go to the doctor and then set a date.(usually months depending the hospital demand ) So is not like he just woke up one day before ASL and said shit i better take this surgery now so i avoid playing the next ASL.

And you know what. This argument reached his end point. Atleast by my side. No gonna waste more time with this.

On July 16 2025 12:01 Ze'ev wrote:
Bottom line; if a man in pain requiring constant surgeries says "i am too injured and in pain to compete" and your response is "I dont believe you" you might just be an immature piece of shit.

On July 16 2025 13:14 TMNT wrote:

Luckily he doesn't say so and for sure doesn't act so.

Also same man who's been known for lying and has an ego so big that when a colleague said he didn't fear him as much as Bisu and JD, he proceeded to group bully said colleague for "how dare you not see me as your god".

On July 16 2025 13:17 Ze'ev wrote:
Malaka

On July 16 2025 10:02 TornadoSteve wrote:

Could it be because his wrists issues prevent him from playing his A-game ? May be, but unfortunately, it's hard to believe what he is saying.

On July 16 2025 00:04 Magic Powers wrote:


My honest opinion, and feel free to reject my feedback, but maybe just give up. I'm certainly giving up.
People like him assume they're literally always right and they act according to that core assumption (generally reminds me of a lot of people in this forum). It leads to all kinds of trolling and other idiocy, but never to a moment of understanding or admission or anything of that sort. It's an exercise in futility.

On July 16 2025 13:42 TMNT wrote:

I've also got to say, I have no doubt this is also the case. Of course if your wrists aren't what they used to be, you can't be at your 100%.

The thing is, his wrists pre-military were also like this and he was competing back then. How can after almost 4 years of inactivity and rest, they became worst? And why didn't he fix it during that time?

And secondly, you can say the same for other players. Hasn't JD suffered from wrist pain as well? But he's still competing. If he's not at his 100% and goes out in Ro24/16, so be it. He doesn't need a built-in excuse. He didn't retire the moment he was no longer the no. 1 Zerg anymore.

On July 15 2025 21:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
From 21 may to 15 july dont gonna lie to you those numbers seem so low. I swear to god i do 55 in 3 days (when i was active) LOL. Everyone took holydays on june or wut ?

I dont know the reason for FlaSh not playing the last ASL. Did he post anything ? Could be that the surgery he had before didnt do anything and he decided to take this new surgery ?

No gonna lie 55 games in 1 month is the range of games im expecting from someone like Rain. That numbers of games sound reasonable for Rain playing in ASL and doing well. But someone like Effort/Last/Rush/Light/Hero is pretty low.

On July 16 2025 13:29 TMNT wrote:

This response right here fits the description of immature piece of shit more than anything.

Our Stats friend TMNT However think progamers prepare for ASL just streaming in a weekly basis playing 2-3 games of proleague and thats how he messures progamer activity.

Then he randomly picks FlaSh playing a TvT group in a round 16 vs Light Barracks Mong in 2020 cuz ofc flash need 2 weeks of harcore grinding to play that group cuz you know those guys were the most insane tvt players at the time. But what flash did instead was playing league of legends whole week in an event similar to what twitch call twitch rivals but the afreeca version. And Apparently flash only took 3-4 days to prepare for 1 matchup vs those guys. So in his imaginary head he deadass believes that FlaSh is doing nothing different. But i mean. How could he know.

On July 17 2025 00:02 TMNT wrote:

No one said that. Honestly you are so pathetic. Again and again just twisting my words and never putting in any critical thinking. The game counts are from ALL online games, not just Proleague.

As for the Chinese ultimate battle, Flash do play in them and have his share of unrecorded games too. Unless you have the data, you can't prove otherwise. Note that no discrepancy in the Chinese ultimate battle can make up for the 100 games Soulkey played less than Flash the past 9 months.

It's baffling that while I can present data and methodology to prove my point, you have fuck all to show apart from pulling arguments out of your ass and assuming they are right by default, hence I must be wrong.

On July 17 2025 00:21 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

Soulkey knows how to maintain his form by only committing to quality practice and matches. He is more about brain and coordination than raw mechanics. every player has different needs to stay in form. to each their own. are they wrong for doing things differently?

On July 17 2025 10:45 mtcn77 wrote:
I kinda wonder, since we can't even agree on this, whether any victory, or failure of flash really mattered in the eyes of his fans. After all, it looks like nothing matters, seeing what the callous trolls write about flash having to compete even in injured state. Damn, even I recall flash was joking with larva how little he won from starcraft compared to the crypto scam. Looks like it is his only stream of income, or so the uninformed TMNT thinks.

On July 17 2025 05:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
But the issue here is that Starcraft is actually flash way to earn income. So stopping playing in proleagues etc is actually a financial hit for him. Is not like in real sports that he can just retire and do interviews or promos and make a living lol.

Basically playing 2-3 games of proleague and with the right team at the end of the journey he can earn a lot of money.

Didnt he say after coming back that he was actually the one getting scammed from the crypto runner and they are going to court and shit ? im pretty sure he mention about money issues.

On July 17 2025 07:45 TMNT wrote:
Personally I believe Larva Last and Effort can all play ASL if they want. Effort even returned for ASL16 and Larva is now returning to competitve games again, not to mention the time when he played 70+ consecutive games vs Soma (so much for your "injury", Larva). That's why I also said that injury is a convenient excuse for all of them when they don't want to compete anymore.

Effort is the closest case to Flash. I just put him in the same sentence with Last and Larva for not having to type too much, but he is slightly different to the other two. You can say he is semi-competitive, in that he's playing below his level (by parking in the K League) and with reduced intensity compared to almost everyone (only more games than part timer Rain).

But the major difference to Flash is that after Effort finished his military service, he went straight back to the first ASL he could, didn't get good result, admitted that he couldn't compete anymore and semi-retired. At least there are consistencies in his actions and words. If Flash hadn't dodged ASL19, there wouldn't have been much discussion.

On July 17 2025 18:10 TMNT wrote:

Are you saying that we're implying that Flash has to play ASL for money? Nice strawman, as no one ever said that.

Which brings us back to the financial point Eon made ealier:

Are you really painting the picture that an injury-struck Flash has to grind some proleague games through pain just to stay away from being broke, aka NeedMoneyFlash?

Flash is probably financially set for life even after coingate. And if he wants to get money from the SC scene, there's the cash cow that is University league right there where the coaches don't even have to play to earn shit load. Plus, with his skills he can probably sleepwalk into Ro16 ASL without any serious practice, and earn some extra money off ASL and even much more from the ensuing donation streams.

And then you also have the factual evidence: only ~100 out of the almost 500 games Flash has played in the past year are from Proleagues. So if the financial incentive from Proleague is the driving force for Flash to "play through pain", why would he play the other 400 games?

On July 17 2025 20:00 mtcn77 wrote:

Right, why does he have to play? You aren't making any sense, if at all.

On July 17 2025 22:41 TMNT wrote:

For money? No he doesn't have to.

I'm not sure what your point is. You're the one who isn't making any sense. But once again, you have never made any sense in your entire existence on this forum.

On July 17 2025 22:48 mtcn77 wrote:

Not sure what my point is? Why are you arguing when there is no point? He can choose to compete or not. Stop trolling.

On July 17 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:

You're the biggest troll on this forum sir.

Yes he can choose to compete or not. But we can interpret the reason behind his decision to not compete offline, but still compete online.

On July 17 2025 23:25 TMNT wrote:

But anyway, no one in this forum is stupid enough to keep talking to you. Bye.

On July 17 2025 20:06 iFU.pauline wrote:
I thought EffOrt did participate in ASL19, being eliminated in the offline qualifier round vs Rush or Speed after a failed hydra rush which really looked like he threw the game intentionally knowing he will certainly lose. I saw the game live and zerg's aka was "effort". So, if someone could clarify.

On July 17 2025 23:50 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:

That is AK_effort, low S ranker on the ladder.
https://cwal.gg/players/gateway/30/player/AK_effort

Effort generally competes on (clantag)_mae or maessaeggi

On July 17 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:

You're the biggest troll on this forum sir.

Yes he can choose to compete or not. But we can interpret the reason behind his decision to not compete offline, but still compete online.

On July 17 2025 23:41 angryground wrote:


Honey, could you not speak to strangers online like you a 14-year old? Otherwise, your mom's gonna change wi-fi password and we don't want that, do we?

On July 18 2025 02:03 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
TMNT on his way to show the stats of all the people that insulted him first LMAO

On July 18 2025 02:50 TMNT wrote:

If absolutely needed. I will.

Exhibit A: me vs you right in this topic.

- My post #107: normal tone
- Your reply #108: unnecessary aggression (as Magic Powers called : ad hominems)
- My reply #111: still normal tone, I chose to ignore your attack
- #113, #115, #117, #120 We argued back and forth in more or less normal tone
- Then #121 you had a wrongful and awful accusation, which prompted me to retaliate in #122 calling you stupid. The matter of fact here is you didn’t understand why the count has to be from June. Had you just asked why, I would have answered respectfully, but since you chose personal attack (because of prejudice, or I don't know, maybe it's just the way you are) I thought it was time to stop being polite. And it can only escalate from there.

If you can learn to have respectful arguments and use a calm tone in your posts (what's with all the CAPS bro?), we would never have to insult each other.

On July 18 2025 02:58 mtcn77 wrote:

This person admits to insulting other forum members. Why is he not getting an infraction, or a warning?

On July 18 2025 04:39 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:

We are truly living in strange times for sure. Where someone is getting surgeries back to back in less than 2 years and we claiming is all fake. He is just afraid to fight Snow/Mini/Best/Light in ASL. You gotta feel for FlaSTW tho. His idol is now a washed scared guy that dodges ASL LOL. Imagine using that nickname atm shiet.

TMNT out of curiosity if FlaSh decides to do an ASL run in 2-3 seasons and we see a glorious return of him dominating everyone. How will you take that ? Will be respectable or just pathetic that he had to skip few seasons ?

Will it have less credit in your eyes ? Genuinely curious about this.

On July 18 2025 03:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
When you get called low iq dumbf*ck and pathetic for telling that FlaSh had 2 surgeries and insane pain so he is avoiding ASL. And the guy doesnt even get a warning

TMNT out of curiosity if FlaSh decides to do an ASL run in 2-3 seasons and we see a glorious return of him dominating everyone. How will you take that ? Will be respectable or just pathetic that he had to skip few seasons ?

On July 18 2025 05:22 mtcn77 wrote:

The insanity is I didn't take him serious when he claimed flash wasn't competing not to acknowledge Soulkey's 4 ASLs. That is why he claims flash isn't competing, just to spite Soulkey.

On July 17 2025 22:54 TMNT wrote:
But we can interpret the reason behind his decision to not compete offline, but still compete online.

Somehow we end up in territory like having people indignant about people claiming Flash is faking injury when nobody did that

On July 18 2025 06:27 zzzzzerg wrote:


This is just absurd, nine pages to "interpret" something that doesn't require any interpretation at all. Flash gave his reasons. If you don't believe him, good for you, but why do you always have to try to convince everyone to agree with you? Don't act baffled when people find you insufferable. Since you like analyzing other people so much, why don't you reflect on what kind of insecurities make you unable to accept that other people might not agree with you and fight with internet strangers all the time.

You've accused several people of being trolls. But why do you keep taking the bait? If you truly think they are trolls baiting you, then show them that you won't fall for it and ignore them. Your behavior is just plain childish.

On July 18 2025 08:34 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Something confuses me tho. When you guys say no one is saying FlaSh is faking injuries. Well if you dont trust when FlaSh is saying that he has wrist issues and will like to be healthy when participating in ASL ? Doesnt that mean that you are no trusting FlaSh words ? i mean to me that is the same.

On July 18 2025 05:41 WombaT wrote:


Dear Jesus H fucking Christ, what is this thread?

On July 17 2025 04:36 TMNT wrote:

No they aren't. Practice however they want. But not getting ideal practice conditions is not a good reason to dodge offline competitons. I'm sure the ASL dudes with kids and families don't have ideal practice conditions either. Didn't Snow and Light both have issues with their newborns prior to the last ASL that affect their game (Light even took a major break right before ASL because of that)? I don't see them skipping ASL.

And it's especially true when you are still competing online. Last, Larva and Effort all cited injuries to retire from competitive BW, and while we can never know how much their injuries actually affected their performance or capability to play ASL, their actions were consistent with their words: they stayed away from competitive games even online. Flash is the only one who cites injury, giving his fans the impression of him being physically incapable to play, while at the same time putting in a very healthy amount of games online - the amount large enough that doesn't suggest such incapability.

I think it's totally fair to question his motive in this case. Look no further than this thread, there are already comments from his fans saying "get well soon Flash" (suggesting the injury totally handicaps him from playing), or "Flash would have beaten everyone if his wirsts are still good". And that would be the general sentiment among fans when he plays the injury card as an excuse. We are talking about a guy who got mad and proclaimed to put Jangbi to shame only because Jangbi said he wasn't afraid of him (thus not appeasing to his ego), then proceeded to devalue Jangbi's OSL achievements because "we couldn't practice SC1 as much as him". Well, 10 years from now people could say a similar thing "Soulkey only won 4/5 ASL in a row because Flash didn't play because of injury". Maybe Flash doesn't mean for things to be like that, but from a PR point of view, people would more likely say that if he "retires due to injury".