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Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL - Page 4

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Intelligence13
Profile Joined October 2024
Canada11 Posts
July 06 2025 01:16 GMT
#61
Also, Happy Birthday Flash!
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8018 Posts
July 06 2025 05:45 GMT
#62
Happy Birthday Flash !

Speaking of him , a nice game vs Best on this new ASL map , "Screaming Sea":



+ Show Spoiler +
But he lost
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 06 2025 08:37 GMT
#63
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote:
Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.

Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.

I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey348 Posts
July 06 2025 18:16 GMT
#64
On July 06 2025 17:37 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote:
Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.

Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.

I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.

There is truth to this, however the reason Flash is barred from entry is because JyJ laid out the entire SK gameplan open for Soulkey to learn through S15 to S17. There will never be another time when zerg is at a loss for tournament grade sparring partners. Not even JyJ has the same chance except if ASL were to bring back 76(I hope!). Terran still has the upper hand in island maps, but that is it. Zerg has both ground and air superiority. You need a Boxer level switch of gameplay to bring Terrans into the limelight again. I'd never believe the day would come, 2000s are fashionable again.
Turrican
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8018 Posts
July 07 2025 10:56 GMT
#65
Same game as above (Flash vs Best) but from Flash point of view :

Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
tankgirl
Profile Blog Joined May 2016
Canada407 Posts
July 07 2025 15:13 GMT
#66
this is the most cringe thread ive ever read

what the fuck is wrong with people

get well soon, flash.
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/627255-progamer-settings
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10154 Posts
July 07 2025 16:02 GMT
#67
On July 07 2025 19:56 prosatan wrote:
Same game as above (Flash vs Best) but from Flash point of view :

https://youtu.be/ytfy_glBdzg?t=45

cool game, but man PvT just feels like a ticking time bomb on this map. Basically kill Protoss before carriers, or it's GG.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Profile Joined November 2024
Philippines145 Posts
July 10 2025 08:58 GMT
#68
I think flash lost because he lost a bunch of wraiths to corsairs then it just snowballed from there, even with the goliath drops.

T has a good chance against toss in the air if they stacked wraiths and are cloaked. Add a vessel with emp too for faster killing.
Yuru Yuri best anime
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8097 Posts
July 10 2025 13:10 GMT
#69
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands838 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-10 16:03:45
July 10 2025 16:03 GMT
#70
On July 10 2025 22:10 Ideas wrote:
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.

the physical set up of mouse, keyboard, chair to desk height, and stretching the wrist flexor muscles all affect the chances of devloping wrist issues. proper set-up and injury prevention routines can completely prevent wrist issues. So no, not all pros have wrist issues.
JDON MY SOUL!
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey348 Posts
July 10 2025 20:57 GMT
#71
On July 11 2025 01:03 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2025 22:10 Ideas wrote:
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.

the physical set up of mouse, keyboard, chair to desk height, and stretching the wrist flexor muscles all affect the chances of devloping wrist issues. proper set-up and injury prevention routines can completely prevent wrist issues. So no, not all pros have wrist issues.

There are multiple issues. Carpal tunnel is triggered by those you describe above. Ulnar tunnel, from what I read, is very strictly related to vibration. I think Flash was was wearing an elbow brace. I'm very late to the debate, if anybody would verify if it was indeed the elbow he got surgery from: #1.
Turrican
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1423 Posts
July 12 2025 19:00 GMT
#72
update:


lol
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1683 Posts
July 12 2025 19:13 GMT
#73
On July 13 2025 04:00 jinjin5000 wrote:
update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWYaprlhyQ

lol


thanks jinjin we appreciate you so much!

And clarification: Flash and RAIN are the only people who can stop SK

unforunately both out next season
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
zelevin
Profile Joined January 2012
United States260 Posts
July 12 2025 20:19 GMT
#74
And clarification: Flash and RAIN are the only people who can stop SK

unforunately both out next season


I've read this multiple times. Anyone have the source for this info? Rain just recently got to like #3 on the ladder, currently #6.
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
37 Posts
July 12 2025 22:06 GMT
#75
On July 06 2025 17:37 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote:
Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.

Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.

I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.
yeah I'm sure the half dozen of wrist surgeries has nothing to do with anything. Wtf??
Ze'ev
Profile Joined May 2025
37 Posts
July 12 2025 22:07 GMT
#76
On July 08 2025 00:13 tankgirl wrote:
this is the most cringe thread ive ever read

what the fuck is wrong with people

get well soon, flash.
seems to be a weird trait in humans where we both adore successful people and despise them and project all our venom and disappointment and inadequacy in our own life on them when they stumble in order to feel better about ourselves. A lot of pathetic and spiteful people coming out of the woodwork in this thread.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10009 Posts
July 12 2025 22:34 GMT
#77
jinjin backtracking on masterbait cmon brah step ur game up
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4091 Posts
July 13 2025 07:48 GMT
#78
On July 13 2025 07:06 Ze'ev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 06 2025 17:37 Magic Powers wrote:
On July 06 2025 07:06 machinus wrote:
Flash has nothing to prove to anyone. It is weird that people are questioning his motives.

Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work.

I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight.


Flash is still incredibly competitive in every non-casual game. You can see that quite clearly by the way he reacts to losing. He often and loudly expresses his immense frustration - which is a common behavior for the literal goat in any game or sport.
No, Flash doesn't just play for fun now. He puts in a great amount of effort.

The real reason why he can't compete at the top level is that everybody else has improved so much. The competition has gotten much tougher and Flash realizes that he can't surpass them anymore. He's now "just one of the others". Still easily top five, if not top three, but certainly not the top dog anymore.
yeah I'm sure the half dozen of wrist surgeries has nothing to do with anything. Wtf??


He had those surgeries - including the associated pain - during his peak for many years.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4193 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-13 07:56:01
July 13 2025 07:55 GMT
#79
On July 13 2025 04:00 jinjin5000 wrote:
update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTWYaprlhyQ

lol

Haha..

Yeah, whatever.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands838 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-07-13 10:30:34
July 13 2025 10:29 GMT
#80
On July 11 2025 05:57 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2025 01:03 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
On July 10 2025 22:10 Ideas wrote:
It seems like some players have had far more wrist injuries than others. Does pretty much every pro deal with wrist problems at some point? For example Light has been playing for just as long as flash/JD and I've never read about him having wrist problems.

the physical set up of mouse, keyboard, chair to desk height, and stretching the wrist flexor muscles all affect the chances of devloping wrist issues. proper set-up and injury prevention routines can completely prevent wrist issues. So no, not all pros have wrist issues.

There are multiple issues. Carpal tunnel is triggered by those you describe above. Ulnar tunnel, from what I read, is very strictly related to vibration. I think Flash was was wearing an elbow brace. I'm very late to the debate, if anybody would verify if it was indeed the elbow he got surgery from: #1.

its not a pathology that develops because of vibration. It develops under the same conditions as carpal tunnel syndrome. consistent and repetitive pressure on the nerve causing compression. this can be caused by multiple things, such as resting the hand exactly on the ulnar tunnel, a cyst or tumor growing exactly there, tightness in the muscles/soft tissue caused by overuse of the muscles in small tiny movements, ones made when holding a mouse for example, or having enlarges blood vessels which compresses the ulnar tunnel. Another less common cause is a genetic growth deviation that makes the tunnel more narrow than it should have been, which increases the risk of ulnar tunnel pathology by a lot. I for example have mid carpal instability syndrome, where some ligaments in my wirst are, since birth, deformed or lax and are unable to keep my mid carpal bones rigidly in place, resulting in them being able to slightlt move around my in my wrist. this puts me at an increased probability of developing carpal or ulnar tunnel pathologies. To prevent this I take very good care of my wrists.
JDON MY SOUL!
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