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On July 02 2025 14:59 Bonyth wrote:
First entering tournament with random, then dodges an ASL, then retiring until 'he feels better'. Sure, this has absolutely nothing to do with PR and potential ego loss. are you trolling or just insane? The dudes wrist barely function. It's almost unbelievable that he stayed in as long as he has and done so well.
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Instead of Flash vs SK, I was hoping to get a good series of Flash vs Snow
Snow looked so unbeatable PvT even for Light, was wondering how would Flash do against him
Sad news indeed 
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No gonna lie some of you are OD as fck. FlaSh had surgery while in military. He had a new surgery 1 month ago . And at the moment is rehabilitating too. Im not sure why he kept playing tho instead of focusing on full recovery. Is like trying to do half / half . I imagine there are days where he feels good to play and others that he just cant. Who knows for how long he is been taking painkillers too.
He is already playing in proleagues and losing to Mini / Snow / best so what difference will it make to lose to them in ASL ? LOL.
Also saying stuff oh but he is spaming games like crazy vs Soma is non sense. Most of the games were short. And you can tell he is strugling when he is doing all those mech builds that requires less effort from him.
Another funny take is oh but he is drag select a lot while Obsing.
Well i doubt that will do anything..
Anyway i hope he recovers. With the amount of surgeries he had doesnt sound like it and is more a thing he will have to live with and it sucks. Is good to have him back tho. Even if he doesnt play ASL.
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Personally, I do think he's scared a little bit. But not of protosses, more like SK (and Soma, whenever he regains form). And he'd still be the favorite, just not by a landslide.
But it is also likely driven by very real issues with his wrists limiting his practice time.
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Rain is literally our only hope
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Because Flash registered 268 games on eloboard this year, and that includes the month he rested for supposedly the surgery.
In comparison, Soulkey registered 262 games. Light 262. Bisu 150. Rain 81 (lol). There are many others with fewer games as well. Flash didn't have surgery before and after ASL19. So it's not unreasonable to ask "if you can still play online as much as some of the ASL regulars , why can't you play ASL?" So what if he goes out in Ro8 like Rain? He can still cite the same reason he cited in this video.
And of course losing in ASL affects his reputation more than losing in daily proleagues. That doesn't need to be explained really. Flash dropped games in proleagues all the time before his military service, just like Soulkey is dropping games now. But their ASL records trump everything.
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Honestly if you think this is about his reputation alone you have never experienced wrist pain in your life.
Either way its his choice to compete or not. It is a sad for any fan of starcraft if the goat decides to not compete in the next big tournament, no questions asked.
At the very least we (should) eventually get that final ASL he did promise. And who knows, if his wrists become better he may choose to compete more regularly again.
Here is praying that Rain actually practices Starcraft for once, might be our only hope for next ASL.
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Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?
Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.
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On July 02 2025 13:39 goody153 wrote:
I was always curious how he holds up vs current Soulkey who looks unbeatable. I guess he still plays broodwar but cant practice extensively to the point of getting to competitive form I assume
He might really just be a streamer from now on
He grinded a bunch of games vs Soma, seemed really strong, but Soma was just as good. Very close and tough games
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On July 03 2025 00:18 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
No gonna lie some of you are OD as fck. FlaSh had surgery while in military. He had a new surgery 1 month ago . And at the moment is rehabilitating too. Im not sure why he kept playing tho instead of focusing on full recovery. Is like trying to do half / half . I imagine there are days where he feels good to play and others that he just cant. Who knows for how long he is been taking painkillers too.
He is already playing in proleagues and losing to Mini / Snow / best so what difference will it make to lose to them in ASL ? LOL.
Also saying stuff oh but he is spaming games like crazy vs Soma is non sense. Most of the games were short. And you can tell he is strugling when he is doing all those mech builds that requires less effort from him.
Another funny take is oh but he is drag select a lot while Obsing.
Well i doubt that will do anything..
Anyway i hope he recovers. With the amount of surgeries he had doesnt sound like it and is more a thing he will have to live with and it sucks. Is good to have him back tho. Even if he doesnt play ASL.
If you're clicking a ton and make the exact same movements while obsing as you would be playing, you're either ignorant af or you don't take your injury as serious enough as you claim, hence it's ironic.
Look into RSI and tendonitis, injury in general: symptons, cause and remedy. You'll probably have less doubt
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On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?
Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.
And Soma also did it !
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As if Flash could lose his GOAT status.
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On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?
Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.
No it doesn't affect his reputation as the goat, just like JD/Bisu being a Ro16 player now doesn't affect their repuration as the Zerg/Protoss goat.
What I meant about reputation is that Flash doesn't want himself to fall into that exact situation of JD and Bisu now: just another contender. He has only finished below top 4 once (if we don't count ASL1) and maybe he doesn't want to tarnish that record. He only wants to enter the competition as the no 1 contender but at the moment he's not confident of getting top 4, or something similar to that - that's my theory.
If he doesn't play much at all then I would believe what he said. But the fact he's having as many games online as the current ASL champion makes injury sound like an excuse for the fear of not being the no 1.
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On July 03 2025 01:59 ShowTheLights wrote:
Rain is literally our only hope
Our hope for what???
Just say you want your guy to win like everyone else.
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Turbovolver Profile Blog PM Joined January 2009 Australia2393 Posts
1 hour ago #34
Our hope for what???
Just say you want your guy to win like everyone else
I want your guy to win!
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People reading into this is pretty weird. Doesn't matter what the reason - if he doesn't want to compete then that's all that matters.
In general people fall into two categories for something like this:
There are people that will die fighting even to their own detriment, and then there are people that don't want to compete if they can't give it their best.
My only take is that the latter has a bit of an asterisk since everyone (still) playing BW is past their expiration date so nobody is going to be able to dominate games on raw ability anymore.
I expect we'll see him if the league is still going in a year or two.
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How do many of these pro-gamers injure their wrists/hands? Is it the tendons, muscles, skeleton or something else?
Is there nothing they can do to avoid these injuries?
Is there nothing they can do to heal from the injuries once they've happened?
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good! health comes first.
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On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ?
Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras.
Rain says that all the freaking time
Its up on air until asl actually starts. You are never sure with rain participating or not
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On July 03 2025 07:51 parkin wrote:
How do many of these pro-gamers injure their wrists/hands? Is it the tendons, muscles, skeleton or something else?
Is there nothing they can do to avoid these injuries?
Is there nothing they can do to heal from the injuries once they've happened?
It's almost always self inflicted from a poor setup.
If you have ANY wrist, elbow, shoulder, neck or back discomfort at all after playing then your setup is flawed. (Much less actual pain)
Properly tapered and angled wrist rests for your keyboard are highly recommended.
Those thick blocky keyboards especially for general gaming promote a harmful wrist angle as they're often hinged downwards(especially true if you hover your hands) or to the side.
Contact with your wrist/forearm at all on the edge of a table or desk will also do significant harm.
Applies to keyboard hand as well but your mouse hand should have almost all contact across your thenar & hypothenar (bottom of your palm).
Sadly isn't an issue isolated to pro-gamers. People just ignore their body or accept suboptimal conditions.
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