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Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL - Page 14

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mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey361 Posts
July 31 2025 17:37 GMT
#261
On July 31 2025 23:47 LightSpectra wrote:
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On July 31 2025 23:00 A.Alm wrote:
On July 31 2025 22:05 TMNT wrote:
What he said in those screenshots, assuming they are all true (given screenshot 1 and 3 are not even consistent between themselves), are not even contradictory to what he said previously or what he said in the other part of this video or what I said.

These guys don't have an argument. They are just nitpicking on minor, irrelevant details or making strawman arguments. Sigh.

This is just like the time we argued about the Shuttle vs Queen game, and then jinjin released a video with all the pros confirming my side of the argument, but Eon still had his head buried deep in the sand and kept doubling down on his.

Anyway, with this video this case is settled now. Nothing needs to be said anymore.


yeah and you said the asl 20 maps werent "anti-soulkey", yet soulkey himself says the maps are shit for zerg. Anyways, i think Flash is starting to regret not entering ASL 20 as he's absolutely smashing everyone in the daily proleagues.


"Anti-Soulkey" and "Anti-Zerg" are completely different things. ZvZ is arguably his worst matchup, so maps that are favorable for TvZ and PvZ are perhaps helpful for Soulkey because it knocks out other Zerg players that he'd have more difficulty with. Meanwhile his skill vT and vP is so high that a moderate map imbalance doesn't slow him down.

Ironically, if Soulkey's weakness was ZvZ, the solution would be to make maps even more zerg favoured to let more zerg players progress in the brackets.
Turrican
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
2734 Posts
July 31 2025 20:15 GMT
#262
On August 01 2025 00:21 A.Alm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2025 23:34 WombaT wrote:
On July 31 2025 23:00 A.Alm wrote:
On July 31 2025 22:05 TMNT wrote:
What he said in those screenshots, assuming they are all true (given screenshot 1 and 3 are not even consistent between themselves), are not even contradictory to what he said previously or what he said in the other part of this video or what I said.

These guys don't have an argument. They are just nitpicking on minor, irrelevant details or making strawman arguments. Sigh.

This is just like the time we argued about the Shuttle vs Queen game, and then jinjin released a video with all the pros confirming my side of the argument, but Eon still had his head buried deep in the sand and kept doubling down on his.

Anyway, with this video this case is settled now. Nothing needs to be said anymore.


yeah and you said the asl 20 maps werent "anti-soulkey", yet soulkey himself says the maps are shit for zerg. Anyways, i think Flash is starting to regret not entering ASL 20 as he's absolutely smashing everyone in the daily proleagues.

Not a conversation I was privy to, but TMNT can be wrong there and 100% right here.

Their argument (and mine incidental) is that Flash’s injury can still be debilitating, but he could play ASL based on his level of activity and his actual level, he’s just not doing so because he wants to feel 100% or as close as he can get, and if he doesn’t feel he can actually win, he doesn’t want to enter. Which, incidentally I don’t have any problem with, especially as ASL is more for prestige than money versus what Flash could lose out on from streaming.

Which Flash literally says in this video is a factor.

If TMNT was saying Flash is a pussy and isn’t really as injured as he says, which is the strawman of his actual posts, then yeah I’d think it fair to call him out


i was just showing the irony of his pride to agree on some stupid thing with progamers, i dont care about ur arguments about this other stupid jinjin drama thing.

There’s no irony because there's no analogy.

The anti Soulkey narrative implies that map makers and organisers go out of their way to stop Soulkey. I oppose that idea, because if it's the case, then they aren't doing enough (only 3 new maps this season), and should have done that 1-2 seasons ago, i.e. maps should have been progressively harder for Z since ASL18.

On the other hand, maps could be harder for Zerg just by chances, or natural rotation, or because they want to help Protoss since they have won jack shit in a while (slightly different to just being anti Soulkey). Plus, 90% of modern maps are bad for Zerg against Terran. This has always been the case.
So from that point of view you can say maps are always shit for Zerg, but it also means maps are either always anti Soulkey, or not anti Soulkey. There's no in between.


mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey361 Posts
August 01 2025 15:41 GMT
#263
I love how he steals ideas and tries to keep his cool, "Things have always been hard on zerg". Cry me a river.
I told before, protoss will have to rewind the clock back to the start of the millenium. No protoss has ever respected zerg back then, no reason to do it now. Just drop the FE bullshit. This isn't pvt. True vs barracks in the last asl is the real way forward. Compromised lategame, huge early game potential, the way Hero beat jyj with that last zerglings when jyj buckled and didn't make any more marines.
It might lose games, but even soulkey doesn't mop the floor with jyj until he switches back to mech and gets consumed by broodlings. Somethings got to give and you have to be ready to harness the situation.
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