EPTi do hope that learning good ergonomics can help better his condition; i don’t know if he’s changed it since but from the old videos of flash’s ruler setups his ergonomics were god awful with the chair being way too low forcing him to play with his arms in an awkward upward angle
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines744 Posts
i do hope that learning good ergonomics can help better his condition; i don’t know if he’s changed it since but from the old videos of flash’s ruler setups his ergonomics were god awful with the chair being way too low forcing him to play with his arms in an awkward upward angle | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1730 Posts
On July 03 2025 10:54 Agh wrote: It's almost always self inflicted from a poor setup. If you have ANY wrist, elbow, shoulder, neck or back discomfort at all after playing then your setup is flawed. (Much less actual pain) Properly tapered and angled wrist rests for your keyboard are highly recommended. Those thick blocky keyboards especially for general gaming promote a harmful wrist angle as they're often hinged downwards(especially true if you hover your hands) or to the side. Contact with your wrist/forearm at all on the edge of a table or desk will also do significant harm. Applies to keyboard hand as well but your mouse hand should have almost all contact across your thenar & hypothenar (bottom of your palm). Sadly isn't an issue isolated to pro-gamers. People just ignore their body or accept suboptimal conditions. That's right, also back in the day (20 years ago and before), there weren't much awareness on posture set-up for office jobs with computer. I mean, sure the guidelines did exist, but it was up to you to know about it. Now every-time you start a new job, the "occupational medicine" (so was the english translation) will always remind you all the risks which are associated with your job's tasks and how to prevent or mitigate them. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines636 Posts
no point in arguing semantics when it's clear he just wants to heal up. and besides he did say once he's in a much better state of health he do one last ride. will be waiting for that day. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
On July 03 2025 04:01 Peeano wrote: If you're clicking a ton and make the exact same movements while obsing as you would be playing, you're either ignorant af or you don't take your injury as serious enough as you claim, hence it's ironic. Look into RSI and tendonitis, injury in general: symptons, cause and remedy. You'll probably have less doubt You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL | ||
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Creager
Germany1953 Posts
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locopuyo
United States145 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8982 Posts
On July 03 2025 22:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL Happy Birthday eon !!    | ||
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ShowTheLights
Korea (South)1715 Posts
On July 03 2025 03:25 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Apparently Rain already said he is not playing either ? Im not sure how losing in this or the next ASL will affect his reputation. Is not like he is never been defetead before lol. LasT did it. Snow did it. Queen did it. Effort did it. At this point of this guy career nothing ingame will affect his Legacy. He has done it all in multiple eras. Makes sense with how discouraged he looked last season makes me sad though rain is the only person who can beat soulkey | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
thanks man  . My birthday is on the 4th july so i guess the system is triggering the timezone from Korea. funny enough the time i was born will be the 5th july in Korea and i will be sharing birthdays with FlaSh :D. Wasnt lucky to share his skills tho  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7009 Posts
On July 04 2025 04:02 ShowTheLights wrote: Makes sense with how discouraged he looked last season makes me sad though rain is the only person who can beat soulkey Well i dont know if Effort will play this next ASL. But Soma for sure is playing it. That will make the zerg talent pool stronger and maybe will be finally the time for Soulkey zerg vs zerg to be tested. Apart from that zvz final in ASL that he won 4-3 he hasnt really play zvz in the latest seasons. So the competition is going to be really interesting cuz Protoss and terran players can beat very well Soma/Effort compared to SK offline aura. Not to tell that Snow literally just need to take some relaxation drink or do some meditation and just do his online form offline against him. Snow is actually disgusting to play against atm. But hard to tell if he can carry this form in 1-2 months. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27234 Posts
On July 03 2025 22:12 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: You are fried homie. Can you do the exercise of putting a flash game in one screen and FlaSh obsing to see what it really look like ? The hand movement to play compared to obs doesnt even take 80% effort. I cant even believe you saying this stuff. I mean shit w.e FlaSh obsing games is the same as playing. Nah we hit rock bottom LOL Peeano basically said exactly that, like if you’re obsing similarly to how you play, you’re a fucking terrible observer. Was how I took it anyway? I mean I’ve done shitloads of it in SC2, I use completely different settings and hotkeys to any of my playing profiles Happy cake day eon! | ||
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tankgirl
Canada481 Posts
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Simplistik
2146 Posts
On July 04 2025 04:02 ShowTheLights wrote: Makes sense with how discouraged he looked last season makes me sad though rain is the only person who can beat soulkey I don't know if any Terrans are up to it in Bo7 (in ASL) right now, but in Bo3 surely Light and Rush have at least a chance. And we've seen over the last few seasons that Mini, Snow and Best all had chances to win. Similarly, a Zerg series would be coin-flippy. SK isn't unbeatable, he just hasn't been knocked out of ASL in a while. Eventually even just variance will catch up to him. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
#763, + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2025 23:01 mtcn77 wrote: Don't throw in the towel yet. Gaslight some more. In the end you will see Shuttle in the hall of fame. I mean what is the difference between Shuttle and Boxer who had on and off periods and had tremendous resurgences in their careers? What do you call Starcraft? Personally I hate to see a player cut a corner and win. In fact, when a player takes a concept everyone does, but better - that is prime Starcraft to me. You could argue for days Queen lost to Shuttle; so did Flash. That does not make it a fluke as well. Shuttle is a hero, still. I like it that way. Have fun crying wolf. Shuttle won fair and square and until all of you can commemorate the day he did, we won't have constructive arguments on the subject, instead of troll devolutions of what would have been. Starcraft doesn't take hyperboly of that kind lightly, I'm afraid. You will be totally shellshocked. In fact, that one victory Shuttle scored might have postponed Flash's return this season. + Show Spoiler + On May 29 2025 23:38 mtcn77 wrote: I'll concede on any point, but ASL = HoF. That is my nonnegotiable benchmark. There is no other accomplishment as revered as winning a GF. True, some of you look down on Shuttle, but Stork and Bisu are not far off being totally game breaking in the past. Shuttle still has that charisma. People like Flash, like it or not, make it a stepping stone to return to the limelight. Please don't ask me to post the game in order to roll back to when Flash was thinking about joining this season, but got coldfeet afterwards. That is the biggest accomplishment of Shuttle this season. He is such a big talker, should you lose to him, the fault rests entirely on yourself that you put your name on the line. | ||
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mtcn77
Turkey729 Posts
On July 03 2025 12:32 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: it’s better to see him regularly stream and play proleague than to destroy his wrists in an ASL and then never see him play again, his mind has so much more left to give the game, as shown by his new mineral-boost 13cc goliath build that he’s been stomping every zerg with i do hope that learning good ergonomics can help better his condition; i don’t know if he’s changed it since but from the old videos of flash’s ruler setups his ergonomics were god awful with the chair being way too low forcing him to play with his arms in an awkward upward angle This. It was a regular overstraining injury. People need to quit using regular mice and keyboards and use vertical mice and split vertical keyboards, though I'm not an expert on peripherals. Your hands are not well adapted to using antagonistic muscle groups simultaneously, eventhough that was the source of Flash's unholy fine motor control. I wonder if we will ever have better peripherals since it is a challenge. The reason unergonomic peripherals work is because they "lock" the wrist into position. Very bad for bursae and tendons sliding on them. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
No matter how you look at it, he will forever be remembered as the best bw player. Maybe he’s using his wrists as an excuse, or maybe his wrists won’t endure the amount of practice needed to get into ASL form. Doesn’t matter, he’s the goat anyway. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4168 Posts
On July 05 2025 23:50 Timebon3s wrote: No matter how you look at it, he will forever be remembered as the best bw player. . More than few times, I've seen his name mentioned to be the best e-sport player ever | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway772 Posts
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prosatan
Romania8982 Posts
On July 06 2025 05:22 Timebon3s wrote: That goes without saying since bw is the hardest and best game of all time and nothing comes even remotely close :D Agree 100% ! No game will ever come close ! Nothing !  | ||
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machinus
United States292 Posts
Flash doesn't play BW tournaments lightly. He's not a SC genius, he is a hard worker. Casually playing 268 games when he feels like he can with low stakes means absolutely nothing. That is just amusement for him. But entering a tournament is a completely different mental activity. Every game matters. It's not about "reputation" and it is silly to bring that up for this gamer. It is about winning. Flash does not want to commit to a tournament if he can't put in his normal amount of grinding, practice, and work. I think Flash would be very happy if his wrists healed, he could play, and he lost to Soulkey while giving one more real fight. | ||
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