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Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update

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January 21st, 2025 00:49 GMT

The Greatest Players of All Time

One Year Update

By: Mizenhauer

It's been just over a year since the first article in my Greatest Players of All Time series was published, and since then I've had a lot of time to review my rankings as I absorbed new results.

2024 was a peculiar year in that it suffered from a long EPT/GSL hiatus since August, but also featured the most richly prized StarCraft II tournament ever in the Esports World Cup. That tournament really shook up the scene, giving us a new best player in the world while also impacting the legacies for a handful of all-time greats.

I don't intend to make the readers go through tens of thousands of words again, I'll keep this one short. Here are my brief reflections on 2024, and how the year affected my Greatest of All Time rankings.

Players with top-ten potential that couldn't improve their standing.

herO

Ranking change: #15 -> #15

Headed into 2024, herO's strong post-military career had already earned him a place in my top 15, giving him a chance to crack the top ten in the future if a few things broke his way. Unfortunately, 2024 was a bit of a lost opportunity for herO.

His results were very good, with the highlights being a Code S runner-up, a top four finish at the Esports World Cup, and a brace of runner-up finishes at Master's Coliseum 7 and StarsWar 11. He was easily the best Protoss player, and I had him as the fifth best player of the year behind Serral, Maru, Dark, and Clem. However, the fifth best results and no championship don't really move the needle when it comes to this range of the GOAT rankings, so herO remains on the outside looking in.

Reynor

Ranking change: #14 -> #14

In early 2024, I wrote that Reynor had the most potential for upward mobility among the players ranked 11-15. However, he had a subpar year in which he failed to reach the finals of a Liquipedia-premier event, let alone win one.

Still, Reynor showed his class a mere 18 months ago when he won his second World Championship caliber tournament at Gamers8 (it was his fourth WC finals overall). With that in mind, if there are more opportunities in the future, it wouldn’t be that surprising to see Reynor get his mojo back and win the tournament(s) needed to break into the top ten.


A Top Ten Trajectory, But is it Too Late?

Clem

Ranking change: Outside the top 30 -> Somewhere in the 20's

It’s now time to wax poetic about Clem. The French Terran has always shown tremendous potential, but it's been realized to a degree I never expected. I’m now of the opinion that he set a new peak for StarCraft II gameplay this past summer. It wasn’t just the fact that he won the Esports World Cup, it’s the manner in which he did it. Clem somehow made a pair of series victories against Serral (3-0 and 5-0) look like a walk in the park. In fact, the ease with which he toppled titans like Serral is very reminiscent of Serral’s own play during the second half of 2018, when he took down Dark, Rogue, and Stats consecutively at the WCS Global Finals.

The main difference is that while Serral built his legacy on staunch early defense that turned to later offense, Clem took the reins from the start. Clem’s harassment and attacks let him enter the mid-game way ahead of his opponents, not even allowing them a brief delusion of competitiveness. We've seen the death-by-a-thousand-cuts approach from other great Terrans in the past, but Clem's unparalleled speed combined with near-perfect decision-making took it to another level entirely. He accrued incremental advantages that rapidly snowballed into an inevitable victory. Throw in his impeccable combat micro, and he shut out even the possibility of a miracle comeback through one great fight from his opponent.

With a single world championship in hand, I now place Clem somewhere in the top 20 with players like ByuN and PartinG who have a single super-major tournament win as the cornerstone of their resume. Alas, I fear the supremely skilled Terran may end up resembling fellow one-time WC champ ByuN in another way, unable to add more meaningful results to his resume. While ByuN never reached his peak level of play again, Clem may simply not be given enough opportunities to compete in another world championship class tournament.

I haven't worked out the exact placements for the players in this range, but I'm inclined to place Clem ahead of similar peers in ByuN and PartinG. The apples-to-oranges comparison with players such as Cure, Trap, or Solar is more complicated. There's a sizable group of players who don't have world championship titles, but when it comes to other tournaments, they've all had more aggregate success than Clem throughout their long careers. Perhaps sorting out this cluster of players is a project for another day.

The Dark Before After the Rain

Dark

Ranking change: #11 -> #7

Yes, it's finally happening. The second biggest controversy of my original GOAT ranking is being resolved as Dark is moving into the top ten.

In 2024, Dark gave us an impressive reminder of his lasting power as a top-tier player by winning Code S Season 2 and reaching the round-of-four or better in four out of the five Liquipedia-premier events he participated in.

Despite being the consensus underdog against Maru in the Code S finals, Dark's signature Roach timings completely disoriented Maru and let him pull off an upset victory. Given Dark's history in major tournament finals, it wasn't even surprising anymore to see him force another opponent to fall for such 'obvious' tactics. With the Code S win, Dark got his single biggest GOAT list boost since he won DH Valencia in 2022, bringing him to four Korean Individual League titles (1 SSL Premier + 3 Code S), one World Championship (BlizzCon), and a slew of lesser titles and high finishes on top of that.

Even though he still lacks the kind of superlative 3-5 year peak of other players in the top ten, the strength of his cumulative career achievements allow him to pass soO and reach #7 on the GOAT list.

You could argue that Dark was unfortunate not to pad his resume even further in 2024, as his RO4 eliminations at EWC and IEM Katowice both came at the hands of Serral. Two more WC runner-ups may even have seen him contest Zest for the #6 spot.

The Elefantti in the Room

Maru

Ranking change: #1 -> #2

Maru, who you may have heard took #1 in my original GOAT list, had an extremely “Maru” year in 2024. That means he was spectacular: he reached the finals of five LP-premier events, including a championship run in Season 1 of Code S.

However, when it came to his so-called rivalry against Serral, Maru also performed to up expectations. The Korean Terran dropped a pair of finals to Serral (IEM Katowice and ESL Masters Spring), failing to win a game in either BO7 series.

While I don't compare head-to-head score when deciding the rankings of two players close to each other, these losses did have the result of boosting Serral's resume even further at the expense of Maru. As the gap between Maru and Serral was already paper thin to begin with, even a handful of extra tournaments where Serral outperformed Maru were going to make an impact.

After reviewing my original GOAT rankings and my methodology throughout 2024, I finally feel comfortable moving Maru to the number two spot and placing Serral as the greatest player of all time.

Serral

Ranking change: #2 -> #1

It’s time to discuss my new GOAT.

Over the past few years, Serral has come as close to perfect as anyone in StarCraft II history. That trend continued in 2024, as the Finnish Phenom won IEM Katowice, placed runner-up at the Esports World Cup, and added an EPT Seasonal championship at Dreamhack Dallas. Of course, he did all this while posting the absurd win rates we have come to expect from him, going 25-4 in offline matches (86.21% win-rate) and 68-20 in games (77.27%) during the calendar year. Era to era win-rate comparisons are tricky given the differences in player pool, but basically only previous versions of Serral and the absolute best versions of Maru can match those numbers historically.

Although Maru remains the greatest Korean player, Serral's sustained excellence since 2018—capped by a particularly dominant 2024—has pushed him over the top in my overall rankings.

What's mind-blowing is that Serral added these accomplishments while performing his mandatory military service. While he doesn't get any bonus 'GOAT points' for winning under adverse circumstances, this deserves a mention on its own merits. No, Finnish military service is not the career ender that Korean military often is, but it's still crazy that Serral maintained his level of play despite being essentially a part-time player. After showing that kind of resilience, you have to think that he'd find a way to up his game, and give Clem a real challenge should they face off in a future WC event.

With both Clem and Serral having reached such heights in 2024, they deserve another clash at the top of the scene in 2025.


Credits and acknowledgements

Written by: Mizenhauer
Editor: Wax
Statistics and records: Aligulac.com, Liquipedia
Images and Photos: ESL (photography: Stephanie Lindgren)
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-21 01:04:30
January 21 2025 01:04 GMT
#2
Reddit's gonna eat good with this one
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Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1213 Posts
January 21 2025 02:08 GMT
#3
Whoa. This is unexpected. Unexpected in terms of there being an update, not in terms of the conclusions.

Serral is the #1 GoaT indeed.

I also think Dark is fairly well placed at #7, though I'm not convinced he could not easily have been placed there already prior to 2024.

Good read either way.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
January 21 2025 02:12 GMT
#4
Poor Maru!
Hopefully there will be big tournaments in 2025
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26214 Posts
January 21 2025 03:26 GMT
#5
Can’t disagree with much there myself! Hopefully this isn’t quite as controversial as the original haha
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Kitai
Profile Joined June 2012
United States878 Posts
January 21 2025 05:15 GMT
#6
Oooh nice! Dark not being in the top 10 was my biggest gripe with the first list. I kinda disagreed with Maru #1 and with MVP being so high, but I'm glad Dark is back in there, and I think #7 is quite fair at that.
"You know, I don't care if soO got 100 second places in a row. Anyone who doesn't think that he's going to win blizzcon watching this series is a fool" - Artosis, Blizzcon 2014 soO vs TaeJa
luxon
Profile Joined August 2012
United States114 Posts
January 21 2025 07:19 GMT
#7
Fair update, tho without Life in top 3, again this list can't be taken too seriously. That said maru, herO and a lot of koreans were not playing sc2 full time last and this year, so you are justified to bump Serral up but you can't use 2024 results to do so. Also, Serral played more sc2 during his few month "military service" than I did during a whole summer at home, it obviously can't be compared to 2 year cold turkey korean military service.
Glorfindelio
Profile Joined October 2022
220 Posts
January 21 2025 07:46 GMT
#8
On January 21 2025 16:19 luxon wrote:
Fair update, tho without Life in top 3, again this list can't be taken too seriously. That said maru, herO and a lot of koreans were not playing sc2 full time last and this year, so you are justified to bump Serral up but you can't use 2024 results to do so. Also, Serral played more sc2 during his few month "military service" than I did during a whole summer at home, it obviously can't be compared to 2 year cold turkey korean military service.


Oh man, where do I subscribe to this newsletter?
StarcraftHistorian
Profile Joined November 2022
United States154 Posts
January 21 2025 08:06 GMT
#9
I have to agree personally with most of these updates. I really hope we get the opportunity to see these guys continue to duke it out at large scale events.

Short, simple little piece that I would venture to guess will have some big, fun ripples throughout the community. =D Love it.

ktll4c91
Profile Joined February 2024
11 Posts
January 21 2025 10:37 GMT
#10
I agree with the changes and final placments but find them inconsistent with each other at the same time.

After kato2024, Maru got 1 GSL win, 1 GSL second, 1 Starswar win, 1 ESL second and Serral got 1 ESL win and EWC second. Serral supassing Maru with these finishies seems to imply the value of GSL in 2024 is quite a bit lower than that of ESL in 2024.

Meanwhile, after kato2024, Dark only got a GSL win, which is enough to boost him from #11 to #7 for you. That seems to imply the value of a GSL in 2024 is very high.

Together, these would imply if rain won an ESL in 2024, he would have surpassed soo in your ranking. I find it hard to believe it would be the case given your methodology.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
January 21 2025 12:55 GMT
#11
Hmm I disagree that a Code S win in 2024 should boost someone from 11 to 7.
But 7 is way more appropriate for Dark anyway, so it works out. Seems like Miz realizing his mistake

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Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1244 Posts
January 21 2025 13:40 GMT
#12
On January 21 2025 16:19 luxon wrote:
Fair update, tho without Life in top 3, again this list can't be taken too seriously. That said maru, herO and a lot of koreans were not playing sc2 full time last and this year, so you are justified to bump Serral up but you can't use 2024 results to do so. Also, Serral played more sc2 during his few month "military service" than I did during a whole summer at home, it obviously can't be compared to 2 year cold turkey korean military service.


Life is a chinese WC3 player who has literally won nothing in WC3 nor SC2, why tf would he be in the Top 3?

I was honestly convinced we broke Miz and he would never touch the subject again, glad I was wrong. Serral over Maru is more than fair after this year. It isn't even about head2head or championships, but the fact that Serral turned the most anticipated rivalry in SC2 history into an utter joke. I'm not aware of many Esports-examples in which the No. 1 was so much in the head of the No. 2 (or vice-versa). Just now I'm thinking back to the WTL finals, when Vitality had to decide their revive against Serral. Had real "so Maru, wanna add another loss?"-vibes.

Dark on #7 feels also more than fair. I think he mostly suffers from the fact that, besides his World Championship, he suffers from not having one of these *wow*-performances. Though I think he was the last korean to talk shit about foreigners and get away with it (during his WC), which is an achievement in itself I guess?
"Wenn die Zauberin runter geht, dann macht sie die Beine breit" - Khaldor, trying to cast WC3 German-only
Parser
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy87 Posts
January 21 2025 15:22 GMT
#13
Hell, it's about time!
dysenterymd
Profile Joined January 2019
1250 Posts
January 21 2025 15:24 GMT
#14
On January 21 2025 22:40 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 16:19 luxon wrote:
Fair update, tho without Life in top 3, again this list can't be taken too seriously. That said maru, herO and a lot of koreans were not playing sc2 full time last and this year, so you are justified to bump Serral up but you can't use 2024 results to do so. Also, Serral played more sc2 during his few month "military service" than I did during a whole summer at home, it obviously can't be compared to 2 year cold turkey korean military service.


Life is a chinese WC3 player who has literally won nothing in WC3 nor SC2, why tf would he be in the Top 3?

I was honestly convinced we broke Miz and he would never touch the subject again, glad I was wrong. Serral over Maru is more than fair after this year. It isn't even about head2head or championships, but the fact that Serral turned the most anticipated rivalry in SC2 history into an utter joke. I'm not aware of many Esports-examples in which the No. 1 was so much in the head of the No. 2 (or vice-versa). Just now I'm thinking back to the WTL finals, when Vitality had to decide their revive against Serral. Had real "so Maru, wanna add another loss?"-vibes.

Dark on #7 feels also more than fair. I think he mostly suffers from the fact that, besides his World Championship, he suffers from not having one of these *wow*-performances. Though I think he was the last korean to talk shit about foreigners and get away with it (during his WC), which is an achievement in itself I guess?

Also even if Life were eligible in this list, he'd be no higher than the lower half of the top 10. 1 World championship, one world championship runner up, 2 GSLs, and a lot of other premiers is probably good enough for 10-7th place but no better.

If Life had continued would he have won a lot more? Probably, though some players who were great in HOTS were never as good in legacy. Can't rate based on hypotheticals anyways.
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allmotor1
Profile Joined December 2017
153 Posts
January 21 2025 15:46 GMT
#15
I can't believe the original article came out in January of 2024? I feel like this was a few months ago what the hell...
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16017 Posts
January 21 2025 16:22 GMT
#16
On January 22 2025 00:24 dysenterymd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2025 22:40 Balnazza wrote:
On January 21 2025 16:19 luxon wrote:
Fair update, tho without Life in top 3, again this list can't be taken too seriously. That said maru, herO and a lot of koreans were not playing sc2 full time last and this year, so you are justified to bump Serral up but you can't use 2024 results to do so. Also, Serral played more sc2 during his few month "military service" than I did during a whole summer at home, it obviously can't be compared to 2 year cold turkey korean military service.


Life is a chinese WC3 player who has literally won nothing in WC3 nor SC2, why tf would he be in the Top 3?

I was honestly convinced we broke Miz and he would never touch the subject again, glad I was wrong. Serral over Maru is more than fair after this year. It isn't even about head2head or championships, but the fact that Serral turned the most anticipated rivalry in SC2 history into an utter joke. I'm not aware of many Esports-examples in which the No. 1 was so much in the head of the No. 2 (or vice-versa). Just now I'm thinking back to the WTL finals, when Vitality had to decide their revive against Serral. Had real "so Maru, wanna add another loss?"-vibes.

Dark on #7 feels also more than fair. I think he mostly suffers from the fact that, besides his World Championship, he suffers from not having one of these *wow*-performances. Though I think he was the last korean to talk shit about foreigners and get away with it (during his WC), which is an achievement in itself I guess?

Also even if Life were eligible in this list, he'd be no higher than the lower half of the top 10. 1 World championship, one world championship runner up, 2 GSLs, and a lot of other premiers is probably good enough for 10-7th place but no better.

If Life had continued would he have won a lot more? Probably, though some players who were great in HOTS were never as good in legacy. Can't rate based on hypotheticals anyways.

Mvp is at 4th and him and Life were considered neck to neck in the Goat debate when Life got banned.
Although I feel Mvp is also a bit high so both around 7-10 sounds about right
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
January 21 2025 19:18 GMT
#17
But how can he be the GOAT if he gets stomped in the finals of the biggest tournament of the season by someone not even on the GOAT list?
Balnazza
Profile Joined January 2018
Germany1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-21 19:26:08
January 21 2025 19:25 GMT
#18
On January 22 2025 04:18 Telephone wrote:
But how can he be the GOAT if he gets stomped in the finals of the biggest tournament of the season by someone not even on the GOAT list?


How can Maru be the GOAT if he constantly gets stomped by someone who got stomped in one tournament by someone who is not even on the GOAT list?
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Telephone
Profile Joined October 2010
United States143 Posts
January 21 2025 19:32 GMT
#19
On January 22 2025 04:25 Balnazza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2025 04:18 Telephone wrote:
But how can he be the GOAT if he gets stomped in the finals of the biggest tournament of the season by someone not even on the GOAT list?


How can Maru be the GOAT if he constantly gets stomped by someone who got stomped in one tournament by someone who is not even on the GOAT list?


Because he won 4 GSLs in a row and is still winning tournaments 6 years later.
PremoBeats
Profile Joined March 2024
535 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-21 21:23:21
January 21 2025 19:40 GMT
#20
Nice update!
Thanks for putting in the time. I mostly agree with the corrections - good job!



After kato2024, Maru got 1 GSL win, 1 GSL second, 1 Starswar win, 1 ESL second and Serral got 1 ESL win and EWC second. Serral supassing Maru with these finishies seems to imply the value of GSL in 2024 is quite a bit lower than that of ESL in 2024.

Maru had a pretty strong 2024, but the year was also Serral's strongest one.
Serral won MC7, Katowice and ESL, placing 2nd in the only tournament he did not win... this is a 75% participation-win-ratio and an average place of 1,25 (Maru achieved a very respectable 28,57% and 2,86). Serral sported a 96,30% win rate versus the top Koreans in 2024... this is utterly ridiculous (Maru had 79,07%).
He further only lost to one player - Clem - for nearly an entire year. That is absolutely insane and a feat not one player even remotely comes close to - and he did all that while having less time to train because he had his military service. His record shows 26 matches in a row versus Koreans, without losing a single one (he previously held the record with 19 and 18 matches respectively) and Serral defeated the whole Team Vitality (Maru, Solar, Ryung) in a King of the Hill format all by himself 7-0 in the Finals of WTL.

You also can't forget that the current GSL is played without the best players of the world most of the time (Serral, Clem, Reynor, Oliveira) and has a pretty compressed format compared to earlier years. In StarsWar many big names were missing too, thus I think it is fine that Miz put Serral above Maru, if the difference was paper-thin before IEM, the unofficial Worlds of 2024.
In my GOAT list Maru only came close in the tournament score anyhow. By all other metrics like match win rates, participation-win-ratios, average placements or rank 1 occupation, Serral outperformed Maru by extreme margins objectively (only looking at non-region-locked tournaments).


But how can he be the GOAT if he gets stomped in the finals of the biggest tournament of the season by someone not even on the GOAT list?

Because one bad match up for some time does not decide a GOAT title. By your logic, Serral must definitely be the GOAT, as he has the most stomps against all other top players. Or... no one can be the GOAT, as everyone suffered a stomp one way or another (Like Clem lost to Serral 3-0 at IEM).
Clem not being in the top 10 makes absolutely sense as he does neither have the duration, win rates nor average placements. Doesn't mean that he at the moment has the edge over Serral for several potential reasons.
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