As a protoss player...get rid of the roach!

As a viewer, lover of the game, and rational human being. The roach is fine and IMO it fits the zerg quite well, and will be interesting to see if its use changes a bit in HoTS.

iiGreetings

Canada563 Posts

June 16 2012 15:37 GMT

#204

On June 16 2012 18:38 freetgy wrote:
I think roaches are fine, but the are to fast & tanky for the ressourc cost.

usually a unit is either fast or tanky.

A speed roach has movement speed of 4 on creep.....almost as fast as speedlings.

As far as i am aware 2 roaches beat any equivalent of 150/50 ressource army of the opponents, which makes them a very boring a-move unit in most of the cases.

Forcefields.. in numbers make roaches laughable

Fealthas

607 Posts

June 16 2012 15:41 GMT

#205

I hope we remove the immortal, roach, and marauder. They are dumb units that make the "armoured" tag a curse and are used to counter eachother.
Wait, but aren't immortals the counter to marauders and roaches? No, everyones just makes more roaches and maraders when they see immortals.

SarcasmMonster

3136 Posts

June 16 2012 15:43 GMT

#206

Poll: Should the roach stay?

Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit (40)

35%

Keep as is (38)

34%

Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly) (19)

17%

Keep but changed (1 supply etc.) (16)

14%

113 total votes

Your vote: Should the roach stay?

(Vote): Keep as is
(Vote): Keep but changed (1 supply etc.)
(Vote): Keep but swap tiers with Hydras (and rebalanced accordingly)
(Vote): Removed entirely and replaced with a new HOTS unit

The plurality of the people want the roach to stay as is. Small sample, but what-evs.

Shiori

3815 Posts

June 16 2012 15:44 GMT

#207

On June 17 2012 00:37 iiGreetings wrote:

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Forcefields.. in numbers make roaches laughable

Forcefields also come from a unit that costs 4x the gas as a Roach.

Insomni7

667 Posts

June 16 2012 15:44 GMT

#208

I never felt that the roach had any real problems. The way they can be used with burrow can make them a surprisingly dynamic unit to counter some protoss mid-game timings. They have pressure potential in zvt, and they are extremely fun to control, split counter and position in zvz. To me they can sometimes be the marine of zerg. Weather or not it is strictly an interesting unit, it has so much potential in the right hands that I believe it is still a very well designed unit.

Ryndika

1489 Posts

June 16 2012 15:46 GMT

#209

Roach owns, don't take it away from me. Love the metagame shifts with it from 3-3 roachspam into 1-0 roachspam.

No seriously, I like it at early game against hellions. Roachling is really fun to play for me, feels very swarmy.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

June 16 2012 15:47 GMT

#210

The roach is a focal point of the early to mid game for Zerg, it's practically essential.

CreationSoul

Romania231 Posts

June 16 2012 15:48 GMT

#211

yeah... let's remove the marauder then.....

to be fair... the roach right now is a core Z unit and if it is removed.... major rebalancing of all matchups needs to happen.....

Kanil

United States1713 Posts

June 16 2012 15:49 GMT

#212

On June 17 2012 00:48 CreationSoul wrote:
yeah... let's remove the marauder then.....

to be fair... the roach right now is a core Z unit and if it is removed.... major rebalancing of all matchups needs to happen.....

I wouldn't miss either unit in the slightest.

Censured

Czech Republic1061 Posts

June 16 2012 15:50 GMT

#213

I would love to see roach getting much less hp but in return getting the hp regen like it had in alpha/early beta

TommyP

United States6231 Posts

June 16 2012 15:50 GMT

#214

On June 16 2012 18:59 forsooth wrote:

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You should delete your account, go outside, and rethink your life.

I find them boring too. Terran has one siege tank on high ground and turtles and thats about as boring as SC2 can get. I agree. You should rethink your life.

GamanNo

Sweden63 Posts

June 16 2012 15:52 GMT

#215

If any unit should go shouldn't that be the sentry with its forcefields?
I say get rid of it and make protoss more fun to watch ^^

emc

United States3088 Posts

June 16 2012 15:53 GMT

#216

On June 17 2012 00:44 Shiori wrote:

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Forcefields also come from a unit that costs 4x the gas as a Roach.

yes but cost less minerals, can be warped in and the requirement to make them is a key tech structure for protoss, the roach warren is not. We could go back and forth about trivialities that don't matter, what matters is how a game progressed that makes the roach better than the sentry or vice versa.

TelecoM

United States10834 Posts

June 16 2012 15:56 GMT

#217

On June 16 2012 18:47 Diizzy wrote:
remove the roach. make lings a little tougher. give us the lurker.

I actually like this idea a lot, mainly because I miss the lurker. T_T

provrorsbarn

Sweden766 Posts

June 16 2012 15:56 GMT

#218

On June 17 2012 00:56 GGzerG wrote:

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I actually like this idea a lot, mainly because I miss the lurker. T_T

yeah that game is called starcraft

ACrow

Germany6583 Posts

June 16 2012 15:57 GMT

#219

The roach is working and is absolutely needed by Zerg...however it's very bland, boring and the definition of an easy to use a-move unit. It will be hard to exchange without messing everything up, but if it could be done, I'd be all for it.

50bani

Romania480 Posts

June 16 2012 16:02 GMT

#220

I don't know if this was posted before in the thread, but you need to keep in mind that the game already does a lot of things very well. Yes, the TvP stats lie about the matchup, but in general you can say that the game is pretty solid.
HOTS is not out yet, not even Beta so you can't say anything about what the game will look like.

Many one line posts in the thread about changing the stats of this unit or that, remove this or that... I thought they were frowned upon on TL. Basically, you guys are making(proposing) huge changes to the game without giving a good reason why your idea will be an improvement over the status quo.