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20/04/11 - Several new guides added
Cheers to everyone who sent in the edited image. I appreciate it, looks much better now
INTRODUCTION
Well Starcraft has been out for a while now, and as such people have had time to think out various strategies; the strategy forum being tantamount to this.
However the strategy forum has one major problem. Far too many people theorycrafting and posting worthless tactics/strategies because "hey, it works for my mate jimmy, so it must be the greatest strategy ever". That is not to say that there aren't absolutely awe inspiring tactics posted, indeed there are. The problem is that these posts/threads get lost within the deluge of new threads that get posted every day.
The aim of this thread is to try to address this issue. Basically the idea is that links will be posted below, to any thread deemed by the community to be outstanding enough to be considered required reading.
Obviously this is a very big undertaking, and I doubt I will be able to to do this on my own, so I hope the TL community will help by coming up with suggestions of threads which need to be included. So please, please, please, help me dig out the gems.
Also, I only play Terran and Zerg, so I will need help with Protoss in particular.
Newly Added
GENERAL GUIDES
BEGINNER
ADVANCED
RACE SPECIFIC GUIDES
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+ Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/KEvg7.png) GeneralUseful database showing per minute costs of all Terran units.  Terran StrategyTvX 6 Rax All InEffective chedder against all races 2 Rax 3 Bunker FEFast expanding opener with intention of longer macro game TvT iEchoic's 2fact2Port Brilliant strat which eschews the traditional Tank/Viking which dominates TVT, for a mix of air and hellions. TvP![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/c5D4G.png) Bio into MechNon specific build order to allow 3 base mech transition The Art of MechExcellent guide to mech play, along with solutions to common pure mech problems. ie. immobility Synystyr's Anti Colossus Another unconventional strat, which favors banshees, to rip through a colossi heavy protoss StimmedProbe's Million Man MarineMMM= Marine, Marine, Marine. FE allows for mass marine production. Be Constantly attacking your enemy iEchoic's 1/1/2 Hellion Drop Efficient build, focusing on gaining economic advantage through hellion drop harass 2 Thor PushEffective against a whole range of protoss builds, however was weakened in most recent patch. PF RushPlexa goes through the viability of this rush TvZ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/OWDFA.png) Griffith 4 OC This build is incredible. Weak (ish) early game sets you up for an absolutely explosive mid game. The rate you gather mins has to be seen to be believed. Ive been using this in team games as well, and I seem to mine out both my main and nat before anybody has even mined their main. Marine/Raven Re-imagining of a brood war classic creates a potent SC2 strategy
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TEAM TACTICS
Highlighted Users
Dont argue with them, don't abuse them, don't flame them: they know what they're talking about
NEED FEEDBACK FOR POSSIBLE INCLUSIONS
EXAMPLE OF THREAD I WONT BE RECOMMENDING
This thread is a work in progress.
Oh and before I forget, I want to give a shout out to Chill, Grot and Taiche, who gave me the idea for the thread and its format, and hellsan361 for providing the banners.
Edit: Banners fixed. Cheers hellsan
Edit: Thanks to whichever mod changed the title. Bit embarrassing, but there you go.
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your missing the [/ u] after protoss maybe?
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This thread is useful and needed, and you laid it out well (barring some unfinished tag issues that I'm sure you'll fix). You should definitely definitely link to MrBitter's stuff under Zerg.
I don't know if you want to link to them individually under respective matchups or just link his main thread as a single resource, either way all the urls are here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=177791
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On February 11 2011 21:30 hotdog118 wrote:
your missing the [/ u] after protoss maybe?
Thats what i thought when i saw it, but when i tried to edit i saw that the tag was correct. Its starting to annoy me as well because it looks so shit. Ive rewritten that part about 5 times, but it does the same thing every time. Apologies to everyone, but it will be sorted out once i figure out what wrong.
And cheers for the suggestions. Ill be editing the OP whenever I get a chance (ie. when my boss isnt on my back).
Keep them coming
edit: seems to have fixed itself, when i was writing this post. Either it was magic, or a mod fixed it. If it was a mod, cheers for your editing wizardry
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Excelent Thread!
TL is full of good resources.
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OP, has been updated with a few more guides. Will update more when I have a chance. In the mean time keep them coming
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This is a very good idea, thanks for starting it up. All the guides I had bookmarked are already posted but I have a suggestion. Put the game version the guide was written in next to its description in the initial post. I think this thread will be around for a long time and it is better to put the patch versions now rather than later.
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On February 12 2011 00:55 NacRuno wrote:
This is a very good idea, thanks for starting it up. All the guides I had bookmarked are already posted but I have a suggestion. Put the game version the guide was written in next to its description in the initial post. I think this thread will be around for a long time and it is better to put the patch versions now rather than later.
Good idea pal. Will do this when i get the chance
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looks prety good, but you do plan on adding more Text to everything right? And if you wanna go pro, try adding some pictures.
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On February 12 2011 03:14 Ponyo wrote:
looks prety good, but you do plan on adding more Text to everything right? And if you wanna go pro, try adding some pictures.
Yeah of course I'm going to be adding more text. Like I said it's a work in progress, and there will always be strategies to add as the game is patched or when the metagame changes.
I'm not too sure what pictures you want me to put up. All this thread is doing is linking to the best strategies and guides on TL, so that it's easier to find them
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On February 12 2011 06:05 mofisto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2011 03:14 Ponyo wrote:
looks prety good, but you do plan on adding more Text to everything right? And if you wanna go pro, try adding some pictures. Yeah of course I'm going to be adding more text. Like I said it's a work in progress, and there will always be strategies to add as the game is patched or when the metagame changes. I'm not too sure what pictures you want me to put up. All this thread is doing is linking to the best strategies and guides on TL, so that it's easier to find them
Your PvZ header is messed up.
And I think pictures is unnecessary. You're just linking to other threads, so pictures would just be a huge space clogger and doesn't really serve much of a purpose for something like this. You should place more of the threads I linked into the OP, they're all solid builds for the designated matchup.
A TvX, ZvX and PvX sub header would be cool too for the more generalized build openers.
....man I wish I thought of this a long time ago xD
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Fixed now mate. If you spot any other errors let me know.
Dont worry, ill be adding the guides bit by bit.
And good idea for the TvX etc. Will add this soon
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I'm pretty sure the iEchoic's 1/1/2 Hellion Drop is a TvP, not TvT.
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On February 12 2011 10:07 HRSA wrote:
I'm pretty sure the iEchoic's 1/1/2 Hellion Drop is a TvP, not TvT.
Whoops, fixed now. Let me know if you spot any others mate
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On February 12 2011 20:15 iamke55 wrote:
I really wouldn't recommend most guides for protoss or terran here. Unfortunately, most guides here are either people trying to put their name on a gimmicky build, outdated, or both.
Got to disagree with you there mate. There are some very effective builds/guides on TL. Im just trying to mine out the gems. Cheers for the suggestions though.
Come on TL I need more suggestions if this thread is going to become worthwhile
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Kcdc's 1 gate FE vs. T should be up there.
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On February 13 2011 05:07 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Kcdc's 1 gate FE vs. T should be up there.
you got a link to it mate?
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Great thread! I made a post a while back that catalogued the advice I could find from the pros. You can find it here. Definitely add Tyler's advice about countering 4 gate in PvP! It's a great thread.
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Great thread, should be stickied IMO (or whatever it's called you know it stays up like the ''appeal to the community'' thread). Then we can say look at the recommended threads thread to people who are ''unable'' to use the search function.
BTW under TvZ you called it the Marinr/Raven.
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Because I need to watch them before I can recommend them mate. I cant do the entire thread in one go pal, its going to take weeks.
Anyway, cheers for the suggestions. Keep them coming.
Also I need feedback on the threads in the feedback section
Edit: We need more protoss strategy's as well
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I can vouch for:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159671
Anihc's PvZ 15 Nexus Guide
It's a solid opener especially on maps with long rush distances or with more than one spawn location. You can easily get away with a Nexus before Gateway and if you scout an early pool, fast forge with a couple well placed cannons will have you covered. Excellent for those who want to get every possible economic advantage.
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Nice one guys, will have a look at these during the day, and ill try to add them at some point. At work atm so may be a while
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Right, more day9 added, and a couple of new zerg threads. Still need more protoss suggestions though
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On February 15 2011 18:50 mofisto wrote:
Right, more day9 added, and a couple of new zerg threads. Still need more protoss suggestions though
Add Tyler's PvP 4 Gate advice from the thread I posted above.
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Z-Z - Three different builds
Taken from Machine coaching session with Mr.Bitter
A Comprehensive Guide Zerg Macro Efficiency
I think it would be better if you kept to the thread title and limit yourself with the threads in TL. Delete all the Mr.Bitter and Day9 vod links and just put in their corresponding TL thread links maybe. If you end up trying to put all the Day9 vods, it will be far too complicated to navigate through the list anyway. Those vods have their own organizations but the TL threads are the ones hard to find.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hell this is a good thread :D
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I think the "Introduction to 2v2" links to the wrong thread.
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brilliant thread, its nice to be able to see the best and usefull threads easily without havign to dig for ages.
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On February 16 2011 07:31 Dromar wrote:
I think the "Introduction to 2v2" links to the wrong thread.
cheers mate, fixed now. Any other errors you spot just let me know
Nacruno- Those are the only vids im adding mate. Not going to link to all day9's stuff, just the newbie tuesdays.
Ok more guides added, let me know if you want to recommend anymore. I also need people to give feedback on the possible inclusion threads.
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The speedling expand thread links to the Baneling carpet bomb.
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Also the 6 rax all in links to something else.
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Great thread! Thanks for the effort of continually updating this 
*Bookmarked*
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Someone needs to sticky this.
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On February 17 2011 22:38 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Someone needs to sticky this.
Agreed, could use a little bit of cleaning up (checking links to see that they go to the proper locations, typos etc.), but it's definitely as awesome resource to have here on the strategy forums.
I think this should also link to the Strategy Forum Highlighting thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=193846
This will help newer members to see the quality posters out of the Strategy forums community and glean a little bit more information out of some posts rather than be misinformed by a stubborn gold level player who thinks if it worked in the GSL, it must always work.
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Usage is fine mate. Your "your" isn't though.
Nice one for spotting the mistakes. Fixed now. Will go through the thread later to make sure everything is linking to the right page. I think I've spotted most of the literals as well, but if you spot any let me know.
Will add some more guides after.
Keep them coming.
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The following is listed under ZvZ but it is a ZvT build
Mr Bitter's ZvZ Infestor Play
Skip muta's for quick infestors
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On February 18 2011 06:31 NacRuno wrote:
The following is listed under ZvZ but it is a ZvT build
Mr Bitter's ZvZ Infestor Play
Skip muta's for quick infestors
nice one pal. Fixed now
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Is there a good thread that helps newer players with early scouting. Such as a comprehensive list of when you scout if you see XX then it is likely your opponent is going YY etc.
I struggle with picking up on what protoss are going to do when i scout.
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On February 18 2011 07:21 Zaffy wrote:
Is there a good thread that helps newer players with early scouting. Such as a comprehensive list of when you scout if you see XX then it is likely your opponent is going YY etc.
I struggle with picking up on what protoss are going to do when i scout.
Well new builds are coming out everyday, so it wouldn't really be practical to make a list of EVERY build. I think Day9 did an Episode talking about how you group by what you see. The three categories he had were Tech Heavy (taking two gas usually or scouting higher tech structures at the front), Early Expand (usually 1 or no gas with a small amount of units at the front to prevent you from scouting) and Early Pressure/Agressive Style play (Usually 1 or no gas with mutiple barracks/warpgates early on with little to no tech on 1 base).
Basically Day9 would say he has to commit to one of those paths, so if he is really aggressive with 2 or 3 barracks against you low tier units, he probably can't get an expansion up without the push failing miserably and he can't be doing fast cloak banshee tech because of lack of gas.
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No zaffy, i dont think that thread exists. I think it would be a good idea though mate. I agree demonace, it wouldnt be practical to have all builds, but common ones would be useful.
Anyway, fake 3 gate robo, BOX tactics and diamond on macro alone added. Cheers to stoggos and cecilsunkure for the suggestions.
I still need peoples help with the possible inclusion section. Any help would be greatly appreciated
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I just had an idea that would make it even easier to see highlighted posts
Could you highlight a threads title when it has been created by a person whose post's are highlighted this would be exceptionally helpful.
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On February 18 2011 18:57 Eviltoast wrote:
I just had an idea that would make it even easier to see highlighted posts
Could you highlight a threads title when it has been created by a person whose post's are highlighted this would be exceptionally helpful.
I dont really want to do that mate. All the threads i'm recommending are the best ones on TL, regardless of who the OP is. I dont really want to have two tiers of recommended threads. I think theres going to be other things implemented which should make it easier to find highlighted users posts.
Cheers for the suggestion though
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A couple new guides added. Also changed the format. Looks a bit better now
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New guide added: Viability of motherships in PVP
Also removed zerg ball of death from feedback section
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Awesome thread, incredibly necessary. Needs to be sticked.
I'm a fairly new player, and I found one of the last dailies of day9 probably (one of) the most useful:
http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4712303/
"Day[9] Daily #252 - Secrets of Hotkeys, APM and Mouse Movement"
"People always bable about mechanics, but nobody really drills deeply into what they mean! I'll actually be playing today to demonstrate some fundamentals which are rarely spoken about! "
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Antisocialmunky: Nice one mate, guide added.
Nilth, cheers mate. Not going to add this just yet. Got plans for a recommended videos section. Will be coming soon
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A couple of changes made, 1 guide added.
Does anyoone have a protoss banner? Got 1 for zerg and terran, but need one for protoss before I add them. Should help split the sections a bit, and might make it easier on the eye. Or it might look shit, who knows......
If anyone can think of any other ways to improve the thread, let me know, and ill try to implement them
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Nice one mate. Was planning to add this later tonight.
Also i found a guide last week which explained proper positionings (concave ec) but i cant find it anymore. Any chance you know the thread I mean?
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Analysing replays and griffith magic box added. Cheers for the suggestions.
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This is the kind of thread that would be great to have sticky-ed in the top of the forum so new people can see it easy and so we dont have to worry about it getting lost in the back of the forums with a bunch of the threads in it.
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Highly constructive post! I've been waiting for a consolidation like this, esp. the day9 vods that apply to players looking to improve. Thanks!
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Couple of typos removed. Should be free from them now (i think).
Chronoboost math and build order calculator added to protoss general and advanced guides
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Haha okay so this thread has been open a couple of weeks and just a little nitpicking...
The title is spelled wrong and it's starting to bug me....
Recommended not Recomended xD
See if we can't get a mod to fix that =]
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On February 23 2011 21:21 Synystyr wrote:
Haha okay so this thread has been open a couple of weeks and just a little nitpicking...
The title is spelled wrong and it's starting to bug me....
Recommended not Recomended xD
See if we can't get a mod to fix that =]
Haha. Whoops, good spot. That's particularly embarrassing for me mate as part of my job is copy writing and proofreading.
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Your MrBitter thread says ZvZ in the ZvT section, the:
Mr Bitter's ZvZ Infestor Play
Skip muta's for quick infestors
Once again great thanks for doing this it's a really great thread.
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I definitely think MrBitter's threads deserve mention. Either way, thanks for this thread! Should be helpful for all skill levels :D
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Edit: hit quote OP instead of edit
Added banners.. Cheers to hellsan361 for those. I realise there is a typo in each of them (stratigy, not strategy). Have Pm'd him so hopefully this will be changed soon. Or if anybody can d/l the images and adjust them for me i'd be grateful. Wouldn't know where to start myself
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On February 23 2011 22:44 mofisto wrote:
Edit: hit quote OP instead of edit
Added banners.. Cheers to hellsan361 for those. I realise there is a typo in each of them (stratigy, not strategy). Have Pm'd him so hopefully this will be changed soon. Or if anybody can d/l the images and adjust them for me i'd be grateful. Wouldn't know where to start myself
Derp....Strategy is spelled wrong in the banners....>_<
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This thread is starting to morph into something really nice but if you really want to be pedantic, Recommended is also misspelled.
Also, a general mechanics section would be nice for chronoboost/mule/larva inject/macro stuff.
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Lol, i know mate. Synystyr pointed it out at the bottom of the last page. Embarrassing for me seeing as part of my job is copy writing and proofreading
edit: good idea mate. Will add this at some point.
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More guides added to OP:
1/ Kcdc's 1 gas 2 gate robo
2/ Synystyr's 2 rax FE
3/ Excalibur's latest ladder analysis (what do you think i should do with the other 2? Delete them? Create obsolete section? or jus leave them?)
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Extremely well thought, thanks for such a high quality post, mofisto.
I'll take a look and post the most interesting threads when I have a few minutes, but seriously, I think most of them are already up there.
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I updated the text of the PvT FE guide. It hadn't been touched since a month or two after release, so I figured it was about time.
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On February 25 2011 07:59 kcdc wrote:
I updated the text of the PvT FE guide. It hadn't been touched since a month or two after release, so I figured it was about time.
Awesome mate. You got any other guides that i've not linked?
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Added formation analysis in advanced.
Also thanks to whoever changed the title
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This thread is great. I'll be bookmarking it for sure. I was wondering if any of the following might be doable?
1) This thread could be stickied?
2) The mods could create a sticky version of this thread that is curated by the site admins?
3) This sort of functionality could be baked into the forum itself vie some sort of special tag for the best posts?
4) There could be a separate forum for "promoted" threads, where only the best threads get moved by the mods?
I guess I'd love help separating the wheat from the chaff because there is a lot of chaff.
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This should be stickied.
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This is actually great. Good work.
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More guides added:
1/ Standard Play pt2: PvT colossus pushing
2/Improving as A low-level Macro Zerg
3/ 3 gate sentry expand
Thanks to Cecilsunkure, ebos, khaladas for the suggestions. Saracen, nice one mate. You got any opinions on the other threads?
KaniasReplays: I dont think that linking to the tournament forum is the best idea mate. Its pretty easy to find in the first place
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Thank you! This is exactly what everyone needs. A quick reference that gets me to valuable information instantly instead of looking through all the threads!
Please get this stickied! I would love to see this thread get constantly upgraded over time!
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This is a cool thread, I appreciate the effort. Deserving of a sticky for sure.
Also, I would absolutely one-hundred-billion percent recommend Ver's "How to Improve". It is absolutely the best thing that ever happened to my play/thought process and I think it is the guide all other guides should be aspiring too. It is a BW guide, but besides a few things, it is SOO applicable to Starcraft2 and I believe is definitely deserving of a spot. That guy is such a baller.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766
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great post, bookmarked.
how about some more basic links for the race-specific strats? i guess what i mean is the "standard" strats....
example:
TvT - Marine/Tank/Viking
TvZ - Biomech
TvP - Bio with Viking/Ghost
PvP - 4Gate (just a comprehensive 4gate post would be a good starting build for PvX i think really)
PvZ - Forge FE
etc etc
looking for links now
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Updated the OP with the "how to improve" pdf. I know its a broodwar guide, but after reading it, many of the sections are applicable to sc2. Cheers for the suggestion arisen.
Lenjurk, I'd love to include threads on those strategies. The problem is ive not found any guides about them, bar liquidpedia. If you find any let me know.
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You could label my threads as being standard builds.
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On February 27 2011 10:31 Arisen wrote:This is a cool thread, I appreciate the effort. Deserving of a sticky for sure. Also, I would absolutely one-hundred-billion percent recommend Ver's "How to Improve". It is absolutely the best thing that ever happened to my play/thought process and I think it is the guide all other guides should be aspiring too. It is a BW guide, but besides a few things, it is SOO applicable to Starcraft2 and I believe is definitely deserving of a spot. That guy is such a baller. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=135766
I totally support this. I've read Ver's guide several times, when I started playing sc2 and it helped me so much. Especially It develops a wider game sense. Although for SC:BW I think It's still one of the best TL posts.
Edit: already added, sry
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Added "how to play when you are ahead or behind". Not 100 percent where it should go. Put it in basic for the time being.
Also added a guide to the feedback section: protoss shield upgrades. Let me know if it should be a part of the main guide.
Finally, what do people think i should do with obsolete guides? Delete them or create an obsolete section?
iamke55: done mate
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sticky sticky sticky sticky
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very cool thread. There is a severe lack of TvZ strategies though, more need to be added even simple unoriginal builds like marine/tank/medivac would be nice to have.
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On March 01 2011 20:17 emc wrote:
very cool thread. There is a severe lack of TvZ strategies though, more need to be added even simple unoriginal builds like marine/tank/medivac would be nice to have.
Theres a lack of TvT strats as well mate. If you have any links to more "unoriginal" guides, let me know mate. If you post the links I'll be able to have a look. Ive not found any yet though, and ive spent the past few weeks trawling through the strat forum.
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Awesome thread, thanks man, keep up the good work!
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OP updated with in depth mining analysis. Again not too sure whether this should go in advanced or beginner. Gone in advanced for the moment, but if anybody thinks it should be somewhere else let me know.
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Added the unit production calculator to the basic section. Great tool to figure out the number of production buildings you can support with your bases.
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this thread is great, thank you.
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I think this should be stickied, and some sort of reward bestowed upon the OP.
This is super awesome and helpful for people trying to get better regardless of skill level!!
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More guides added.
1/ Chaosvuistje's Zerg vs Protoss : Upgrade centric style.
2/ Grifith the art of mech
Parn- Not had a chance to read your thread mate. Will do over the next few days
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This thread should be made STICKY. Don't you think? It's great and quite comprehensive.
Thank you!
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Best thread ever, should feature or something this is great :D
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I've learned so much from this thread!! extremely helpful, keep it up!
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This should really be stickied.
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On March 11 2011 22:48 Synystyr wrote:I highly recommend this thread that talks about how to position your units in attacks and what benefits you get from different types of attack positions and formations. Was trying to find this forever! Glad OP bumped it http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187892
Took me ages to refind this thread as well mate. Very useful read.
More updates to the OP:
1/ No queen fast expand roach
2/ The real cost of terran units
3/ 3 gate aggressive expo
Got more updates in the next few days. Quite a few new threads over the last week and not had a chance to read them all yet.
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This is a really good thread, thank you.
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Your build order calculator link leads to the chrono boost math thread.
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Wow, are you serious...
I just finished another thread analyzing Zerg openings that I put many hours into and has even better stats and graphs to back everything up but it's getting lost under marauder cheese and a fast carrier build so I just might be wasting my time here...
EDIT: Oh well, guess it couldn't hurt to suggest it to OP.
A Second Look at Zerg Openings
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On March 19 2011 12:09 Carbonthief wrote:
Your build order calculator link leads to the chrono boost math thread.
Nice one mate, will fix this now.
Added:
1/ Designing build orders
2/ Stimmedprobe's million man marine
edit: also added a second look at zerg openings
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Sorry. Meant to edit the post above, hit quote instead.
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On March 19 2011 13:52 jdseemoreglass wrote:Wow, are you serious... I just finished another thread analyzing Zerg openings that I put many hours into and has even better stats and graphs to back everything up but it's getting lost under marauder cheese and a fast carrier build so I just might be wasting my time here... EDIT: Oh well, guess it couldn't hurt to suggest it to OP. A Second Look at Zerg Openings
This thread is much better than the previous thread, with much less drama as well.
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ahh why isn't this stickied! I thought it was, as it was the first thread I ever read on TL, and I hadn't been able to find it since lol.
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Very glad to see this thread is still being updated.
The "No Queen Roach FE" link goes to the 3 roach speedling all in.
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I didn't see the spanishiwa no gas opener for ZvX, you might want ot throw that in there
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On April 09 2011 03:38 Arisen wrote:
I didn't see the spanishiwa no gas opener for ZvX, you might want ot throw that in there
I would vouch against this. It doesn't give the player much of an offensive option in ZvP, and seems a bit risky against early stalkers due to the Protoss being able to do whatever they want, and delays tech by a considerable amount of time. However, I don't know anything about zvz or zvt.
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Your new link to "How to Improve" is actually linking Tyler's double forge (same as the link above it). Just wanted to let you know. Thrilled that you're keeping this updated!!!
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Nice one, they've been corrected now. If you spot any others let me know mate.
Indrium- cheers mate. This is on my "to read" list
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Great thread, I found it very usefull (Protoss strategies in particulary)
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Wow I found two of the threads here amazingly useful! 
Thanks for keeping this thread alive mofisto.
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On April 10 2011 03:44 CecilSunkure wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2011 03:38 Arisen wrote:
I didn't see the spanishiwa no gas opener for ZvX, you might want ot throw that in there
I would vouch against this. It doesn't give the player much of an offensive option in ZvP, and seems a bit risky against early stalkers due to the Protoss being able to do whatever they want, and delays tech by a considerable amount of time. However, I don't know anything about zvz or zvt.
i think the no gas expand, to mass queens -> infestors -> ultras seems like a pretty good way for zergs to go against deathballs n terran bio/mech. would be nice if these threads were added in as alternative builds for people to learn.
Keep up the good work =)
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awesome guide, going to read more when i get home today
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In the 'Newly Added' section of the OP, the 'PvT 2 Gate Fast Obs FE' and '2 Gate Fast Observer' links both give you the same guide: PvT 2 Gate Fast Obs FE by CecilSunkure. Brilliant though it is, I don't think it warrants two separate links. (~_^)
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hi,
I edited the Terran banner, so that the grey line is is gone
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Wow, nominating your own thread now are we?
I second the nomination :p
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On May 03 2011 00:33 infinity21 wrote:Wow, nominating your own thread now are we? I second the nomination :p
I saw Cecil nominate his own threads so it must be okay
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On May 03 2011 13:58 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 00:33 infinity21 wrote:Wow, nominating your own thread now are we? I second the nomination :p I saw Cecil nominate his own threads so it must be okay
Hahaha, nothing wrong with shameless self promotion.......
Cheers for all the suggestions guys, next update should be at the end of the week. Possibly....
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On May 03 2011 20:35 Mofisto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2011 13:58 iamke55 wrote:On May 03 2011 00:33 infinity21 wrote:Wow, nominating your own thread now are we? I second the nomination :p I saw Cecil nominate his own threads so it must be okay Hahaha, nothing wrong with shameless self promotion....... Cheers for all the suggestions guys, next update should be at the end of the week. Possibly....
Haha yeah I've been using a variant of Naniwa's opening a lot lately, so his post is definitely a good one to have in my opinion.
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How about posting a 1/1/2 banshee opening in the Terran strats section, instead of just the 1/1/2 hellion drop?
And also it doesn't seem like there's anything standard in the TvZ section, like a rine/hellion harass into ? opening (I really don't know much about the MU so... I could use more in that section)
Regardless, awesome thread! I'm glad this got stickied
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On May 14 2011 09:37 Saracen wrote:These
I got the ZVP one put in there, but I don't think the other two are. Yes, those.
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On May 14 2011 09:37 Saracen wrote:These
^^. I do want too say I do plan on updating these soon (as their bout a month old) with some additions too situations. don't have a time line but do plan on updating those soon.
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On May 11 2011 12:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
How about posting a 1/1/2 banshee opening in the Terran strats section, instead of just the 1/1/2 hellion drop?
And also it doesn't seem like there's anything standard in the TvZ section, like a rine/hellion harass into ? opening (I really don't know much about the MU so... I could use more in that section)
Regardless, awesome thread! I'm glad this got stickied
Your wish is my command!
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222366
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On May 14 2011 12:28 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2011 12:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
How about posting a 1/1/2 banshee opening in the Terran strats section, instead of just the 1/1/2 hellion drop?
And also it doesn't seem like there's anything standard in the TvZ section, like a rine/hellion harass into ? opening (I really don't know much about the MU so... I could use more in that section)
Regardless, awesome thread! I'm glad this got stickied Your wish is my command! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222366
Yeah, good thread. Vouch.
You going to do the other two?
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On May 14 2011 18:52 Indrium wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 12:28 vaderseven wrote:On May 11 2011 12:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
How about posting a 1/1/2 banshee opening in the Terran strats section, instead of just the 1/1/2 hellion drop?
And also it doesn't seem like there's anything standard in the TvZ section, like a rine/hellion harass into ? opening (I really don't know much about the MU so... I could use more in that section)
Regardless, awesome thread! I'm glad this got stickied Your wish is my command! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222366 Yeah, good thread. Vouch. You going to do the other two?
Other two matchups? I plan to kinda write guides of super standard play every now and then. I teach lessons and find that through teaching these standard styles I end up with a few pages of notes. I enjoy writing / sc2 so its a good outlet.
I am not going to just crank them out though. I will make sure to do TvP or TvT next whenever I get around to it.
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On May 15 2011 01:22 vaderseven wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2011 18:52 Indrium wrote:On May 14 2011 12:28 vaderseven wrote:On May 11 2011 12:52 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
How about posting a 1/1/2 banshee opening in the Terran strats section, instead of just the 1/1/2 hellion drop?
And also it doesn't seem like there's anything standard in the TvZ section, like a rine/hellion harass into ? opening (I really don't know much about the MU so... I could use more in that section)
Regardless, awesome thread! I'm glad this got stickied Your wish is my command! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222366 Yeah, good thread. Vouch. You going to do the other two? Other two matchups? I plan to kinda write guides of super standard play every now and then. I teach lessons and find that through teaching these standard styles I end up with a few pages of notes. I enjoy writing / sc2 so its a good outlet. I am not going to just crank them out though. I will make sure to do TvP or TvT next whenever I get around to it.
Cool, appreciate it. :D
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I have a question in regarding the amount of TvZ threads that are recommended.. is that really it?..
Theres a bundle of TvP strats but only 2 in TvZ and 1 in TvT. looking at the other races, the amount of Terran strategy is kinda sad. Its insanely hard to get good builds for TvZ so will someone prove me wrong?
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On May 30 2011 15:16 Kenpachi wrote:
I have a question in regarding the amount of TvZ threads that are recommended.. is that really it?..
Theres a bundle of TvP strats but only 2 in TvZ and 1 in TvT. looking at the other races, the amount of Terran strategy is kinda sad. Its insanely hard to get good builds for TvZ so will someone prove me wrong?
5 posts above you. ^^
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I have been reading through this the last few weeks, but finally joined the site. I have appreciated this section immensely. Thanks for the Zerg section and keep updating!
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This hasent been updated it seems in awhile :/
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On June 28 2011 12:33 Tabbris wrote:
This hasent been updated it seems in awhile :/
he doesn't update it much
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lol, I know I know, it does need updating. Ive just been very busy over the last couple of months with my new job. Not even played a game in that time, so finding a day to go through all the threads and then update this one has been tough. An update will be coming at some point though.
blade i hope thats sarcastic lol, i spent 3 months updating it almost daily
Tabbris nothing stopping you doing some of the legwork and helping me find the threads that need to be included.
To everyone else, thank you for the suggestions, im not ignoring them, and they will all get included soon.
If anyone thinks that they would ike to help further, id be happy to share my account so that the thread can be updated on a more regular basis. (dont know if i'd be allowed to do this though)
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Make sure you stay out of my guide threads. That crap'll give you brain cancer ^^
They're in my public profile if you should be so bold.
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Mofisto I am meaning hasn't been updated in 3 months, and seemed out of date for awhile to until the 4/20
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I'm glad I finally noticed this thread lol.
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to the new protoss styles in PvZ - the blink/templar style and the expand->stargate build.
I'm still doing the 3-gate robo, and I guess that's out of date? It does seem bad against roach-ling all ins on certain maps.
Thanks
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Eh why not updating this tool? I think several guides are a bit old now (some guide from Sheth dating back to beta days for instance), while some new ones would deserve a place there...
I am saying this because I think it could be a really useful and major reference if updated regularly
I know it implies some work, but it would be really nice!
I am definitely willing to take my part of the job, if people consider I am competent.
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Sounds Interesting Guys :D
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Why has nothing been updated in so long? Is there a new place to go and read up?
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Yeah I had been searching for a large amount of Protoss builds, I have checked the wiki and on here and I'm continuing my search. I'd love to see more updated and current builds added to this to make it more current.
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Really great thread, but is there a chance that this thread can maybe get updated soon to the most recent patch and builds to date?
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I would like to recommend this thread as well. A very comprehensive TvZ guide that is constantly updated.
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On September 17 2011 02:57 krowe wrote:
Really great thread, but is there a chance that this thread can maybe get updated soon to the most recent patch and builds to date?
no. reason why i hate this thread is cause the OP went missing shortly after this thread was made.
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Thank you so much, this thread is amazing. You should probably list your own thread in the OP.
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Can anyone update this thread? Not sure what happened to the OP.
Or if possible, can I create a new, updated SC2 recommended threads?
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On October 14 2011 11:03 Codeskye wrote:
Can anyone update this thread? Not sure what happened to the OP.
Or if possible, can I create a new, updated SC2 recommended threads?
I doubt a mod will read this but I would do it if you think you can keep it updated and make it look nice and organized I say go for it I don't see why anyone would frown upon it when this thread hasn't been updated in a long time
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I don't mind updating it whenever possible.
The only problem is if it's okay to a moderator for me to make a new SC2 Recommended Threads since this thread is already stickied.
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I am making a new thread once I get everything setup. Should I just include the new strats for patch 1.4.1? Let me know asap, thanks.
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Thank you very much, very nice guides !
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Is there any "standard" opening that works on all maps for PVZ (because the 3 gate sentry expand seems like it is "out of date" and a new standard opening needs to be worked out).
Does anyone have advice on a good PVZ standard opening that can work on any map? I want to try to stick with one build until I get into masters, that is why I ask. Also, a build order [G] would be helpful for this as well.
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This really needs to get updated to include the new guides and remove the outdated ones.
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He doesn't really post on the site anymore someone would have to make a new thread.
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Blade, you're right, dont really post anymore, or play anymore either. Still lurk sometimes though.
Nrgmonk, it does need updating, but im not going to be doing anything in future, Takes far too much time, and to be honest I cant really be bothered updating a guide thread for a game I no longer play. I had planned on an update a couple of months ago, but when I asked people for help finding threads (not kept up with metagame, so wouldnt know what works anymore) I got all of a handful of suggestions from the thousands who viewed the thread. If no-one else could be arsed helping me, i'm not prepared to spend days helping others. THis isnt aimed at everybody by the way, I got a lot of help from a several people, and to them I am very grateful. Without them the thread would not have even been started in the forst place.
I spoke to codeskye a few weeks ago and he said he wanted to take over, but ive not heard anything from him since I sent all the "code"(not the right word I know) and copy. Unless Ive missed his new thread, I doubt that he is going to do anything now.
If anybody wants my password, I would be willing to share my account with somebody who would be prepared to continue with the thread. Just let me know.
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On November 10 2011 21:02 Mofisto wrote:
Blade, you're right, dont really post anymore, or play anymore either. Still lurk sometimes though.
Nrgmonk, it does need updating, but im not going to be doing anything in future, Takes far too much time, and to be honest I cant really be bothered updating a guide thread for a game I no longer play. I had planned on an update a couple of months ago, but when I asked people for help finding threads (not kept up with metagame, so wouldnt know what works anymore) I got all of a handful of suggestions from the thousands who viewed the thread. If no-one else could be arsed helping me, i'm not prepared to spend days helping others. THis isnt aimed at everybody by the way, I got a lot of help from a several people, and to them I am very grateful. Without them the thread would not have even been started in the forst place.
I spoke to codeskye a few weeks ago and he said he wanted to take over, but ive not heard anything from him since I sent all the "code"(not the right word I know) and copy. Unless Ive missed his new thread, I doubt that he is going to do anything now.
If anybody wants my password, I would be willing to share my account with somebody who would be prepared to continue with the thread. Just let me know.
I sent you a pm awhile ago asking for that. You kinda ignored
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On November 11 2011 04:41 Tabbris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2011 21:02 Mofisto wrote:
Blade, you're right, dont really post anymore, or play anymore either. Still lurk sometimes though.
Nrgmonk, it does need updating, but im not going to be doing anything in future, Takes far too much time, and to be honest I cant really be bothered updating a guide thread for a game I no longer play. I had planned on an update a couple of months ago, but when I asked people for help finding threads (not kept up with metagame, so wouldnt know what works anymore) I got all of a handful of suggestions from the thousands who viewed the thread. If no-one else could be arsed helping me, i'm not prepared to spend days helping others. THis isnt aimed at everybody by the way, I got a lot of help from a several people, and to them I am very grateful. Without them the thread would not have even been started in the forst place.
I spoke to codeskye a few weeks ago and he said he wanted to take over, but ive not heard anything from him since I sent all the "code"(not the right word I know) and copy. Unless Ive missed his new thread, I doubt that he is going to do anything now.
If anybody wants my password, I would be willing to share my account with somebody who would be prepared to continue with the thread. Just let me know. I sent you a pm awhile ago asking for that. You kinda ignored
Sorry, must have missed it.
Edit: So you did mate. If you still want to do it let me know. Will have to speak to chill/mani etc to see if its ok with them.
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I'm already working on an updated version.
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On November 11 2011 11:44 NrGmonk wrote:
I'm already working on an updated version.
Awesome mate. Good luck with it. I would send you all the "code" and copy, but it looks like I cant edit the original post anymore, so cant copy and paste. I'll speak to mani and see if he can do it for me.
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I don't know what code you're talking about. Do you mean the thing you get when you "quote" the OP? If so I have that. This is what I have so far and it's pretty much done.
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On November 12 2011 17:42 NrGmonk wrote:
I don't know what code you're talking about. Do you mean the thing you get when you "quote" the OP? If so I have that. This is what I have so far and it's pretty much done.
Yeah I know code isnt the right word mate, just all I could think of as a description.
Oh, I was being a little simple, forgot you could simply quote it.
Pretty much finished? good stuff mate, look forward to seeing it.
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Get mani to replace this thread with the new one
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I think the list lacks "standard" builds. When a noob comes to TL I would recommend him to learn to play standard, and the list is basicly anything besides that (4 OC and marines ravens are nice builds for TvZ but certainly not the best to learn the game from for a beginer). Some "standard play" threads will be nice or links to liquipedia if there are no good threads on that account. Also it would be cool to see how standard play evolved with a list of former "standards" for an MU.
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