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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-29 23:19:03
February 13 2011 04:29 GMT
#1
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Overview
While watching the GSL team league, there were some particularly interesting PvP games. One of the most interesting however was a match between IMYongHwa and ZeNEXFFMon. FFMon did a boring 3 gate blink stalker build, whilst IMYongHwa did a peculiar 3 Gate Robo build.

Current 2 or 3 Gate Robo builds just die to a well executed 4 Gate, and this is a sad fact. In order to get your robo up and get immortals out, AND be safe from a well executed 4 Gate, you need to delay the 4 Gate somehow. This build utilizes a fast 3 stalkers to deny proxy pylons in order to buy enough time to get a force out capable of defending a 4 Warpgate Rush.

Link to GSL match (fifth set): >> link <<

The Opening Build
  • 9 Pylon
  • Scout
  • @100% Pylon Chrono Nexus
  • 12 Gateway
  • Slight probe cut
  • Resume Probe production; Chrono Nexus
  • 14 Assimilator
  • 16 Pylon
  • @100% Gateway Cybernetics Core
  • @75% Cybernetics Core Gateway
  • Slight pause in probe production
  • @100% Cybernetics Core Stalker (Chronoboosted); Warpgate Technology
  • Resume Probe production
  • @75% Stalker Assimilator (Second Assim)
  • @100% Stalker Stalker (Chronoboosted)
  • Once second Gateway finishes chrono a stalker out of it**
  • After your third Stalker is ordered place a Pylon as fast as you can followed by a Robo and then a Gateway. Directly after this order a Sentry and spend one Chronoboost on it.
  • **In order to get this Stalker out in time you have to have exactly 24/26 supply. If you constantly make probes you'll end up with 25/26 unless your initial scout probe dies. If your first scout probe doesn't die you HAVE to stop probe production (until the next pylon finishes) to get your third stalker out as fast as possible!

Your sentry should finish just as Warpgate tech finishes, and your robo should finish shortly thereafter. Morph both gateways into warpgates, and warp in two zealots. Ideally you'll be up your ramp with three stalkers two zealots and a sentry, with a double chrono immortal about to pop, with the third gateway just finishing.

Note: Every single stalker has one chronoboost, the sentry has one chronoboost, and the immortal has two chronoboost. Only two initial chronoboosts are spent on the Nexus.

3 Stalkers
This build revolves around your three initial stalkers. These stalkers are what are going to keep you alive against a good 4 gate rush. You use them to kill off the Zealot Stalker and Probe (if you can) and then snipe the proxy pylon. Your goal in using these three stalkers is to force your opponent to proxy their warpin pylon as far away as possible. With good micro it is entirely possible to kill off their stalker, zealot and probe then return to your base. I've been able to win with this build as long as I can get the proxy pylon a good distance away from my base.

In order for this build to work you have to be able to be very active with your first three stalkers.


Defending the 4 Wargate Attack
Assuming you've pulled everything off decently (instead of perfectly, if you pulled the build off perfectly they would have no proxy pylon at all), you should end up with 2-3 stalkers, a sentry, 2 zealots, with an immortal almost completed just as the enemy runs up your ramp with about 5 stalkers that warped in from a far away proxy pylon. Use your force field to split their army in half. When you do this make sure to get a good chunk of their army above the ramp so you can kill it off, but don't let too much up.

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This is the type of situation you'll be in if you execute the build correctly.



Reacting
The beauty of this build is the ability to react to your opponent in the event that they do not show a ton of aggression. Perhaps they are also teching. Once your robotics facility completes you can chrono out an observer and head it on over to the opponent's base! This is precisely what IMYongHwa does in his PvP match during the first GSL Team League against ZeNEXFFMon. The ideal reaction to every scenario the opposing Protoss can force you into is very unexplored, although a very good reaction to 3 Gate Blink Stalkers can be seen in the VOD linked at the top of this post. This section will be updated as time passes and people figure out what to do from where depending on scouting info gathered.


Replays and VODs
Here is a GSL 2011 Championship match of TT1 vs sanZenith.
  • TT1 vs sanZenith

Here is a GSL prelim match between WhiteRa and mouzMana.
  • White-Ra vs mouzMana

Here is a GSL prelim match between WhiteRa and Socke.
  • White-Ra vs Socke (Set 2)

Combatex showing some random dude how to do the 3 Stalker opening into 4 gate blink.
  • Watch the kangpo vs combatex replays

IMYongHwa vs SlayerS_Alicia in the March 2011 GSTL.
  • Watch Set 4

Here are my most recent replays uploaded:

  • http://www.mediafire.com/?0807ffws73nwi7i
  • http://www.mediafire.com/?a690gcsl109fa28
  • http://www.mediafire.com/?i2wyubshtw5wt7y

Here is a small replay pack of me trying this build out. Bear with me, as the only reference I had for this build was the VOD during the last GSL, so I had no clue exactly what to do against a typical well executed 4 gate. I win a decent amount of matches very convincingly. You should easily be able to tell some key things about what to do and what not to do with this build by watching my trial and error process.
  • http://www.mediafire.com/?7v1e7wpyg23759g


Here is the GSL match that this build was derived (stolen) from.
  • Watch Set 5


Video guide by Artosis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb_X8Jlfj5g


Interested in finding builds on your own? Don't know exactly how to learn from better players like I did in this post? I just happened to be streaming and recorded the entire creation of this build order! Check it out here: http://bit.ly/gpH3wS
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 13 2011 04:30 GMT
#2
Thanks for this Cecil! I'll be trying this as soon as I get home today.
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CCalms
Profile Joined November 2010
United States341 Posts
February 13 2011 04:32 GMT
#3
Experimented this hardcore with Cecil, it's pretty golden with any decent amount of micro. At first I thought it has a lot of chance (whether or not you'll find the pylon) but with 3 stalkers you can easily cover your half of the map. solid 4gate counter.
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
February 13 2011 04:34 GMT
#4
A god amongst mortals. I watched Cecil tweak and tune this build on his livestream. It has a ton of potential and really might be the thing we Protoss have been waiting for.

Thanks a ton! KCDC has competition for powerful Protoss innovation.
One Love
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 04:36:38
February 13 2011 04:35 GMT
#5
Do you generally split the stalkers up to look for the pylon or keep them together? Separate they'd be vulnerable to the stalker/zealot of your opponent, but together they'd take longer to find the pylon.
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 13 2011 04:38 GMT
#6
Yeah I do split the Stalkers up to cover more ground if I know the opponent's Stalker/Zealot aren't going to catch and kill one. As you can see in my replays, whenever I didn't find the proxy pylon I lost.
SFGhoax
Profile Joined January 2011
United States21 Posts
February 13 2011 04:43 GMT
#7
This is a great thread cecil, thanks a bunch, and will definantly be trying it on my next pvp match ups, been getting so tired of the standard 4gates and collosus battles that are now the norm on pvp
Dont forget to #manner!
CASLsoju
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada253 Posts
February 13 2011 05:28 GMT
#8
Nice. Worked fantastically defensively, could also expo nice too. Ty sir.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 13 2011 05:31 GMT
#9
Damn cecil you make some good threads will look into this closer
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EliteReplay
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Dominican Republic913 Posts
February 13 2011 05:38 GMT
#10
THANKS, there are good players, good tactician, good macro, good at micro, but u are the GOD of Strategies :D
if play random i can't call any race imba?
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
February 13 2011 05:49 GMT
#11
Another great post Cecil!
Keep up the awesome work!
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tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
February 13 2011 05:50 GMT
#12
Very good thread, thank you so much for this
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
February 13 2011 07:09 GMT
#13
And without proper execution it can still die to a 4gate. Although the timing on the immortal is really sweet!

http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Plexa/sc2_reps/1032_CecilSunkure_Plex.sc2replay
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Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 13 2011 07:14 GMT
#14
Plexa: "without proper execution" did you manage to deny the proxy pylon? seems like that is a key feature of this build and if you don't manage to deny it or keep it far away from your base you will lose.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-13 07:24:40
February 13 2011 07:24 GMT
#15
On February 13 2011 16:14 Dhalphir wrote:
Plexa: "without proper execution" did you manage to deny the proxy pylon? seems like that is a key feature of this build and if you don't manage to deny it or keep it far away from your base you will lose.

Cecil killed one of my proxy pylons he couldnt stop the double proxy pylon at the bottom of his ramp with zealot warpins though.
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Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 13 2011 07:26 GMT
#16
On February 13 2011 16:24 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 16:14 Dhalphir wrote:
Plexa: "without proper execution" did you manage to deny the proxy pylon? seems like that is a key feature of this build and if you don't manage to deny it or keep it far away from your base you will lose.

Cecil killed one of my proxy pylons he couldnt stop the double proxy pylon at the bottom of his ramp with zealot warpins though.

What IS the response to that?
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CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 13 2011 09:08 GMT
#17
On February 13 2011 16:26 Dhalphir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 16:24 Plexa wrote:
On February 13 2011 16:14 Dhalphir wrote:
Plexa: "without proper execution" did you manage to deny the proxy pylon? seems like that is a key feature of this build and if you don't manage to deny it or keep it far away from your base you will lose.

Cecil killed one of my proxy pylons he couldnt stop the double proxy pylon at the bottom of his ramp with zealot warpins though.

What IS the response to that?

Play better. I think I lost a stalker due to mis-micro. I also had some poor micro at the top of my ramp. I hate to make excuses, but during the match there was some drama between my girlfriend and I, so I was slightly distracted while playing

I'll put some more matches in another time.
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 13 2011 10:02 GMT
#18
Here's two replays of me playing this build.

1) http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=188697

This was a ladder game on Steppes. Opponent didn't actually 4gate, so this is a good example of how this isn't a build that auto-loses to anything else. I actually thought he was 4gating for a while, so I made the Immortal anyway. If you know he's not 4gating you can skip it and go right to the observer. I chose to go 1base Colossus off this, but you could choose to expo too.

2) http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=188700

This was a practise game vs a friend of mine. We played a couple more before this but he was rusty at the 4gate and didn't quite execute it correctly. This one was pretty much flawless, I actually didn't manage to find the proxy pylon but it turned out he chose to warp in his first round of units at home to shepherd the probe up. Meant a later pylon, but as you can see my stalkers had full coverage of my half of the base and would have found almost any pylon that was close enough to give me trouble. In addition if he hadn't warped in that first round of units at home I could have picked off his zealot or probe.

This is going to be my new go-to build for PvP. No more Korean 4WG for me.
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W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
February 13 2011 10:19 GMT
#19
On February 13 2011 13:34 Sleight wrote:
A god amongst mortals. I watched Cecil tweak and tune this build on his livestream. It has a ton of potential and really might be the thing we Protoss have been waiting for.

Thanks a ton! KCDC has competition for powerful Protoss innovation.


Didn't he get the build from IMYongHwa??
Hi
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 13 2011 10:23 GMT
#20
On February 13 2011 19:19 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2011 13:34 Sleight wrote:
A god amongst mortals. I watched Cecil tweak and tune this build on his livestream. It has a ton of potential and really might be the thing we Protoss have been waiting for.

Thanks a ton! KCDC has competition for powerful Protoss innovation.


Didn't he get the build from IMYongHwa??


He did but the work required to correctly interpret a build order from a VOD rather than a replay as well as detect the nuances that you need the 3 stalkers is not to be underestimated.
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