EPT[G] IMYongHwa Korean 3 Stalker Robo - Page 12
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cheesemaster
Canada1975 Posts
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AdrenalGBR
United Kingdom182 Posts
-- Upon seeing the 2-gate 2-gas, he cuts the second Stalker out of the 4-gate build, banzais his units across the map and uses the spare minerals from the cut Stalker plus a bit to proxy Pylons everywhere a la Korean 4-gate (but outside my base, obviously). An example is Pylons at tower, behind gold and in natural on Xel'Naga Caverns. -- If I kill his Zealot and Stalker (and I do have that choice because he's just suiciding them) then I end up with 2/3 Stalkers and almost-a-Sentry against proxy Pylons usually right outside my base which I can't kill in time because there's 2 or 3 of them. -- If I go for the Probe, he gets good damage on my Stalkers and generally has a reasonably-close Pylon to warp in from anyway. The Probe's fast so there's no guarantee I'll actually get it provided he micros well. -- If I go for the Pylons, all my junk dies.  -- If I go for his base, we base trade and he has more junk. Thoughts? I can provide replays tomorrow if you want, right now I'm going to bed. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays/43721 | ||
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AirbladeOrange
United States2573 Posts
On February 25 2011 09:04 CecilSunkure wrote: I've added three more PvP matches that I recently had! Thanks for the replays. Two questions though. I saw you did a 13 gate in all those games. Is this map specific or do you like doing the build more econ friendly? Also, did Zefa ever show you how a 4 gate can exploit the build? | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
@AdrenalGBR I'd need to see replays. | ||
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cassurai
Singapore307 Posts
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thesauceishot
Canada333 Posts
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On February 27 2011 07:46 thesauceishot wrote: I'm having problems with people who choose to gas steal when they see me put down my 2nd gateway. I get the 3 stalkers out fine, push back their proxy fine, but I'm not left with enough gas to complete the build. Go into a delayed 4 gate. With high ground advantage and slightly better econ, you should be able to hold off a 4 gate with this build. For some reference games, check minigun vs kiwikaki in the recent Root gaming tourney. Many of the games of their 5 gate series fit your description. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9366 Posts
I feel like if i place down robocits bay before i Scout him I feel week vs stargate play. What should i do against that. But if I wait till i Scout him I am weak vs a quicker collosus opening. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On February 27 2011 07:46 thesauceishot wrote: I'm having problems with people who choose to gas steal when they see me put down my 2nd gateway. I get the 3 stalkers out fine, push back their proxy fine, but I'm not left with enough gas to complete the build. 4gate them back when that happens, they will delay one of their gateways while you can have all 4 come up when Warpgate tech is done, not to mention you haven't spent your chrono yet, so you should be fine. If the other guy is also doing 3 Stalker robo, you might be in trouble. You might just want to go 1gas Robo -> Immortal Drop off 4gates | ||
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bankai
362 Posts
I tried doing this stalker build and honestly found it hard because it seemed to requrie a lot of multitasking (controlling 3 stalkers to patrol different parts of the map, then doing the opening build). Kcdcs build seems easier as you pretty much want the attack to come to your base. Is there an easier or more methodical way to patrol the map and prevent the proxy? Or am I right in saying it is just assuming a level of multi tasking?? Otherwise it sounds like a good counter worth working on! | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
Sometimes you need that Stalker out asap, but you have to cut probes for a while to do it | ||
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kcdc
United States2311 Posts
On March 01 2011 15:41 bankai wrote: How does this build compare against kcdc's 2 gate robo counter to 4gate (i.e. 13 gas build)? I tried doing this stalker build and honestly found it hard because it seemed to requrie a lot of multitasking (controlling 3 stalkers to patrol different parts of the map, then doing the opening build). Kcdcs build seems easier as you pretty much want the attack to come to your base. Is there an easier or more methodical way to patrol the map and prevent the proxy? Or am I right in saying it is just assuming a level of multi tasking?? Otherwise it sounds like a good counter worth working on! My zealot immortal build isn't easy to execute either. If you do it perfectly, you have 5 zealots, 1 stalker and 1 immortal at 5:55. I practice the build a lot, and I'm still late by 10+ seconds fairly often. Effectively, both builds are pretty good against 4 gate, but both require a pretty advanced level of execution. If you believe that you can beat 4 gate with either build (I do), then you want to look at how each build fares against the other options. For example, the 3 stalker opening is going to be stronger against stargate plays. My opening feels really strong against robo builds tho. Immortal + warp prism > colossi. | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On March 01 2011 18:07 Dommk wrote: Is it me or is your economy worse than someone who also 4gates? I've found my economy to be sometimes 400/500 resources behind (depending on how long he drags his 4gate on). Sometimes you need that Stalker out asap, but you have to cut probes for a while to do it I feel you're doing it wrong, as I don't cut probes. | ||
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b_unnies
3579 Posts
i dont do 3 stalk build enough(less than 10 times) so there might be some other signs that wasnt obvious to me | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On March 03 2011 01:05 b_unnies wrote: In the DuckloadRa vs Ace series in IEM, Ra opened 3 stalk robo build each game, Ace countered Ra's build with 1 gate robos. from the replays it seems like the tell was that zealot wasnt building in gate.(Ace started his 2nd gas when the core was only half way done). but isnt that dangerous when Ra could do the 6 stalks without that 1 zeal at 5:45 doing 4gate? (Ra still has probe in his main when Ace started 2nd gas) i dont do 3 stalk build enough(less than 10 times) so there might be some other signs that wasnt obvious to me Sort of worthless to post this without a link to the series | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
On March 03 2011 05:48 CecilSunkure wrote: Sort of worthless to post this without a link to the series here are the replays: http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)AcE_vs_(P)DuckloadRa_shakuras_plateau_sc2rep_com_20110301/5682 http://sc2rep.com/replays/(P)AcE_vs_(P)DuckloadRa_xel_naga_caverns_sc2rep_com_20110301/5683 | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On March 03 2011 01:05 b_unnies wrote: In the DuckloadRa vs Ace series in IEM, Ra opened 3 stalk robo build each game, Ace countered Ra's build with 1 gate robos. from the replays it seems like the tell was that zealot wasnt building in gate.(Ace started his 2nd gas when the core was only half way done). but isnt that dangerous when Ra could do the 6 stalks without that 1 zeal at 5:45 doing 4gate? (Ra still has probe in his main when Ace started 2nd gas) i dont do 3 stalk build enough(less than 10 times) so there might be some other signs that wasnt obvious to me No because whitera did an economic 3stalker and im pretty sure ace saw his second gas. | ||
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Garth
United States353 Posts
Also made the mistake a couple of times losing to blink stalker builds because I thought he was going for the 3 stalker build as well so I immediately thew down robo and he just blinked and killed me, tho i could have held but my control is pitiful. | ||
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Heston
Canada18 Posts
http://topreplays.com/Replays/Details/4984/Oreo_vs_Heston | ||
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