• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:32
CEST 23:32
KST 06:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru2BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL47Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4
Community News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack0Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th13Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0
StarCraft 2
General
Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation StarCraft 1 & 2 Added to Xbox Game Pass
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S:Season 2 - RO8 - Group A Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu BW General Discussion StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans?
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread What do you want from future RTS games? Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 26032 users

[G] IMYongHwa Korean 3 Stalker Robo - Page 4

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
oygp
Profile Joined January 2011
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 09:37:23
February 14 2011 09:37 GMT
#61
On February 14 2011 18:16 4kmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 17:40 Dhalphir wrote:
Wouldn't a 1gate FE be more than completely telegraphed well in advance of actually throwing down the robo? At this point you could just transition into an ordinary (albeit delayed) 4gate to take the game.

I don't think anyone is going to do a 1gate FE against a 4gate or even a 3gate and this is exactly what this build looks like until the robo goes down.


Unless you spot the nexus or somehow get into his base after the stalker chases you out, there's no way to choose between robo or 2 additional games in time for this build. The robo timing for this build is around 4:50, usually way before you can get scouting information as to ascertain what build he's doing. Even if you can figure out he's 1 gate feing and thus cancel your robo and throw down 2 gates, he still has a slightly chance of holding you off because of your delayed gates.

The 2nd point I agree with though. Most people won't 1 gate fe after seeing that opening, but some people still will and then you'll be way behind. Another coin flip of pvp =/.


I've never seen a 1 gate FE in PvP... are you sure you know what you're talking about??

In any case, I would think that a 1 gate FE would lose very easily to this 3 gate robo build.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 14 2011 09:43 GMT
#62
For 1 gate fe which is blatantly obvious if you are somewhat present on the map with stalkers/probes you could just drop a twilight and keep producing stalkers. I usually crush that build with a bit of blink micro. (did this on x pos metal and he didn't have much of a chance.)
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
February 14 2011 10:05 GMT
#63
Again, 1 gate fe > 3 gate robo. Blink stalkers does marginally better but I would still give the advantage to 1 gate fe. For some reference, look at some of adelscott's games. Often times, he goes an early expand build (although it's not 1 gate fe) while his opponent goes a tech build and he manages to win with sheer gateway unit numbers.

Also, yes, 1 gate fe is blatantly obvious, but it's not obvious until around 5:30-6:00 in the game at which point it's too late to do anything about.
Moderator
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 10:27:56
February 14 2011 10:22 GMT
#64
On February 14 2011 19:05 4kmonk wrote:
Again, 1 gate fe > 3 gate robo. Blink stalkers does marginally better but I would still give the advantage to 1 gate fe. For some reference, look at some of adelscott's games. Often times, he goes an early expand build (although it's not 1 gate fe) while his opponent goes a tech build and he manages to win with sheer gateway unit numbers.

Also, yes, 1 gate fe is blatantly obvious, but it's not obvious until around 5:30-6:00 in the game at which point it's too late to do anything about.

From my experience a 3 gate blink build hits before the 1 gate fe production really starts to set in, but that could easily be my lowly masters opponents doing it incorrectly I guess. Got any games specifically I could look up? I've seen a fair amount of adelscott games but not a whole lot of 1 gate fe.

Or some of your own replays for that matter.
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 14 2011 10:24 GMT
#65
On February 14 2011 19:05 4kmonk wrote:
Again, 1 gate fe > 3 gate robo. Blink stalkers does marginally better but I would still give the advantage to 1 gate fe. For some reference, look at some of adelscott's games. Often times, he goes an early expand build (although it's not 1 gate fe) while his opponent goes a tech build and he manages to win with sheer gateway unit numbers.

Also, yes, 1 gate fe is blatantly obvious, but it's not obvious until around 5:30-6:00 in the game at which point it's too late to do anything about.


quoting a game that is not 1gate FE is not exactly convincing evidence that 1gate FE works

Post a replay of 1gate FE beating a 3gate Robo to back up your claims. It doesn't have to be you playing but obviously if you know that 1gate FE beats all these builds then show the games where you saw it happen.

Put up or shut up, in other words.
Supporting TypeII Gaming - www.typeii.net - TypeReaL, TypePhoeNix, TypeSuN, TypeDBS!!
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 14 2011 11:05 GMT
#66
On February 14 2011 19:05 4kmonk wrote:
Again, 1 gate fe > 3 gate robo. Blink stalkers does marginally better but I would still give the advantage to 1 gate fe. For some reference, look at some of adelscott's games. Often times, he goes an early expand build (although it's not 1 gate fe) while his opponent goes a tech build and he manages to win with sheer gateway unit numbers.

Also, yes, 1 gate fe is blatantly obvious, but it's not obvious until around 5:30-6:00 in the game at which point it's too late to do anything about.

Good luck holding a 4 gate -.-
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
February 14 2011 11:18 GMT
#67
Good job.. I'll look into this
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 14 2011 11:25 GMT
#68
1 Gate FE vs 2 Colossus timing push using this openner: http://www.mediafire.com/?uyg1h2pgjblld2f
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
February 14 2011 11:36 GMT
#69
On February 14 2011 20:25 CecilSunkure wrote:
1 Gate FE vs 2 Colossus timing push using this openner: http://www.mediafire.com/?uyg1h2pgjblld2f


I watched the replay and that guy made 3 key mistakes. First, he had a lack of scouting. He didn't know if you were counter expanding or all-ing him. Secondly, he didn't cut probes early enough. He went as far as 52 probes with 4 gas while you stayed on one base. Finally, he tried to beat a collosi all-in with collosi, something you never want to do from a 1 gate fe. You either want to:
a. overwhelm with gateway units
b. voidrays
c. blink stalkers

I'm going to sleep now, but I'll play some games tomorrow and post some replays.

Also, it's pretty obvious scarecrow did not read this entire thread and is commenting out of context.
Moderator
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 14 2011 11:41 GMT
#70
On February 14 2011 20:36 4kmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:25 CecilSunkure wrote:
1 Gate FE vs 2 Colossus timing push using this openner: http://www.mediafire.com/?uyg1h2pgjblld2f


I watched the replay and that guy made 3 key mistakes. First, he had a lack of scouting. He didn't know if you were counter expanding or all-ing him. Secondly, he didn't cut probes early enough. He went as far as 52 probes with 4 gas while you stayed on one base. Finally, he tried to beat a collosi all-in with collosi, something you never want to do from a 1 gate fe. You either want to:
a. overwhelm with gateway units
b. voidrays
c. blink stalkers

I'm going to sleep now, but I'll play some games tomorrow and post some replays.

Also, it's pretty obvious scarecrow did not read this entire thread and is commenting out of context.

If you do get some replays, make a thread dedicated to that build specifically. It would be interesting to see what you can come up with, I still think it's really exposed at certain timings and kind of relies on opponents not scouting/reacting correctly.
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 14 2011 11:46 GMT
#71
Yeah I'd be really interested to see what 1gate FE is like in a PvP, I was under the impression it was mostly a PvT strat.
Supporting TypeII Gaming - www.typeii.net - TypeReaL, TypePhoeNix, TypeSuN, TypeDBS!!
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 14 2011 11:51 GMT
#72
On February 14 2011 20:46 Dhalphir wrote:
Yeah I'd be really interested to see what 1gate FE is like in a PvP, I was under the impression it was mostly a PvT strat.

I don't think a 1 gate FE in PvP will work if the other player just does a normal 4 Gate (assuming both players are same skill level).
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
February 14 2011 12:09 GMT
#73
Here's a replay of me going blink stalker against 1 gate fe into 5 gate with cannons on cross positions metalopolis. My blink micro is actually very bad in this game but I don't think I could have lost that even if I tried.

http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/139392-1v1-protoss-metalopolis
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
February 14 2011 12:45 GMT
#74
On February 14 2011 18:16 4kmonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 18:12 ScarFC wrote:
Is it just me or will this build straight up die to a Korean 4 Warp rush? When scouted it can look like a normal 4 gate until you realize probes are pulled from gas / chrono is saved.


You scout korean 4 gate before committing to this build.

So what do you do? Imagine LT 6 and 9 positions so you scout him last. What is your reaction? You didnt even make a zealot, how will you hold it?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 12:57:06
February 14 2011 12:55 GMT
#75
On February 14 2011 21:45 ondik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 18:16 4kmonk wrote:
On February 14 2011 18:12 ScarFC wrote:
Is it just me or will this build straight up die to a Korean 4 Warp rush? When scouted it can look like a normal 4 gate until you realize probes are pulled from gas / chrono is saved.


You scout korean 4 gate before committing to this build.

So what do you do? Imagine LT 6 and 9 positions so you scout him last. What is your reaction? You didnt even make a zealot, how will you hold it?

I agree that k4g probably owns this build but it owns a lot of conventional PvP builds so. The only thing you can do is drop 2 gates as soon as you see it, chrono out one stalker to kill the probe then get out zealots in time for his first warp in. Kind of seems to me like 10 gate builds are the only reliable answer to k4g.
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 14 2011 13:00 GMT
#76
On February 14 2011 21:55 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 21:45 ondik wrote:
On February 14 2011 18:16 4kmonk wrote:
On February 14 2011 18:12 ScarFC wrote:
Is it just me or will this build straight up die to a Korean 4 Warp rush? When scouted it can look like a normal 4 gate until you realize probes are pulled from gas / chrono is saved.


You scout korean 4 gate before committing to this build.

So what do you do? Imagine LT 6 and 9 positions so you scout him last. What is your reaction? You didnt even make a zealot, how will you hold it?

I agree that k4g probably owns this build but it owns a lot of conventional PvP builds so. The only thing you can do is drop 2 gates as soon as you see it, chrono out one stalker to kill the probe then get out zealots in time for his first warp in. Kind of seems to me like 10 gate builds are the only reliable answer to k4g.

Just go out and test it against someone who knows how to k4g
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-14 13:12:34
February 14 2011 13:08 GMT
#77
On February 14 2011 20:51 CecilSunkure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 20:46 Dhalphir wrote:
Yeah I'd be really interested to see what 1gate FE is like in a PvP, I was under the impression it was mostly a PvT strat.

I don't think a 1 gate FE in PvP will work if the other player just does a normal 4 Gate (assuming both players are same skill level).

It's usually a 4gate FE (or atleast that's what I played around with). Instead of doing a round of stalker warp ins you expand instead. Obviously if you scout 4gate you don't expand and you warp in as you normally would, but if you scout anything other than 4gate you expand and pray. I tend to not like expand builds in pvp though, unless it's after blink stalker.
On February 14 2011 21:55 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2011 21:45 ondik wrote:
On February 14 2011 18:16 4kmonk wrote:
On February 14 2011 18:12 ScarFC wrote:
Is it just me or will this build straight up die to a Korean 4 Warp rush? When scouted it can look like a normal 4 gate until you realize probes are pulled from gas / chrono is saved.


You scout korean 4 gate before committing to this build.

So what do you do? Imagine LT 6 and 9 positions so you scout him last. What is your reaction? You didnt even make a zealot, how will you hold it?

I agree that k4g probably owns this build but it owns a lot of conventional PvP builds so. The only thing you can do is drop 2 gates as soon as you see it, chrono out one stalker to kill the probe then get out zealots in time for his first warp in. Kind of seems to me like 10 gate builds are the only reliable answer to k4g.
k4g requires a very specific response to counter, you would never use this build against a k4g - ever. If you're scouting early enough you will always be able to react and adapt.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
February 14 2011 13:57 GMT
#78
I'd be perfectly willing to auto-lose every K4WG just to not have to worry about any other type of 4gate by using this build.

That said I'm fairly sure you could react in time. K4WG is ridiculously easy to scout if you know what to look for.
Supporting TypeII Gaming - www.typeii.net - TypeReaL, TypePhoeNix, TypeSuN, TypeDBS!!
Barty
Profile Joined December 2010
France64 Posts
February 14 2011 15:21 GMT
#79
Had some success with it @2800-2900 masters. But you really have to find this f*kin probe and kill it. Sniping the first zealot also means gg (most of the time). But there's a little timing window where your immortal is halfway done and you have only 1 sentry.
In God We Trush
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 14 2011 15:24 GMT
#80
This is catching on fast because I faced this a few times in a row now while I did the same thing. What transition do you guys prefer in a mirror? Right now I skipped the immortal and went straight for Colossus and mass up an army to kill their expo if they did or secure my own.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 12 13 14 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: GosuLeague
19:15
Quarter Finals
Hejek vs Herbmon
Semih vs Kyrie
cavapoo vs TousaN
ZZZero.O101
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 174
JuggernautJason81
EnDerr 27
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12682
Sea 1263
Dewaltoss 104
ZZZero.O 101
Aegong 53
Dota 2
Pyrionflax199
League of Legends
tarik_tv17908
Counter-Strike
fl0m6578
olofmeister3367
rGuardiaN150
Super Smash Bros
PPMD125
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby3362
Liquid`Hasu488
Khaldor144
Other Games
summit1g4593
FrodaN1067
Mew2King67
ZombieGrub55
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream3446
Other Games
BasetradeTV134
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta43
• RyuSc2 4
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix14
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21946
League of Legends
• TFBlade1420
• Shiphtur426
Other Games
• imaqtpie1329
• Scarra886
• WagamamaTV185
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
2h 28m
GSL Code S
11h 58m
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 4h
GSL Code S
1d 11h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
1d 12h
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
OSC
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
[ Show More ]
SOOP
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Cheesadelphia
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
GSL Code S
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.