• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:00
CEST 07:00
KST 14:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?8Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris45Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again! 2024/25 Off-Season Roster Moves
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
ASL20 General Discussion No Rain in ASL20? Victoria gamers Starcraft at lower levels TvP BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Is there English video for group selection for ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined! Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1099 users

[G] Strategy From The Pros

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 19:11:07
January 30 2011 21:14 GMT
#1
+ Show Spoiler [Updates] +

  • 03-16-2011 - Added Tyler explaining how to defend against a cannon rush.
  • 03-02-2011 - Added a list of players quoted in this thread. Added iControL's advice about defending early Hellion harass. Added PredY's bio->mech guide. Added 3 gate Stalker guide.


Introduction

This thread is for those who don't have time to wade through all the posts in the strategy forum and just want the gist from the top people playing the game. Please reply with links to posts you would like to see added in this thread. We use the same guidelines as the Team Liquid Opens for determining professional players. As a general rule, if the player is not not prominently listed in the SC2 International TLPD, they are not a professional player. If a player is not a professional they will not be added to this thread. This means we will miss out on some valuable posts, but in return we get a much higher quality overall. There is one exception. With the advent of hilighted posters there is a group of amateur players who have been judged by the community to have well supported and reasoned arguments about strategy. Because of this, posts made by hilighted accounts will be added to this thread as well.

This thread is not meant to be a discussion about who is right and who is wrong. Even the pros disagree with each other sometimes! You may even see a pro change his opinion over time, so a later post could disagree with an earlier post by the same person! This thread is simply supposed to be a resource to allow people to find the opinions of professional players and use the information to better their own game. Please remember to follow the strategy forum guidelines when posting in this thread.

How To Contribute

There are two ways you can help out with this thread:
  1. Flag outdated advice. Certain advice will become outdated, whether because of changes in the game itself or in strategy. Make a post if you think something has become outdated.
  2. Post links to advice. If you are reading a thread or watching a video and a pro says something insightful, post it in this thread!


The Strategy Archive

Here is the compiled archive of strategy advice, organized by matchup.

TvZ
  • [Post #1] Benefits and followup to harassing SCVs building early buildings.
  • [Post #2] Responding to a double bunker ramp block.

TvP
  • [Guide #1] Opening with bio and transitioning into mech.
  • [Guide #2] 1 Gate expand while faking a 3 Gate Robo.

  • [Post #1] A hybrid biomech style that seems to do better against blink Stalkers and Protoss air.
  • [Post #2] How a Protoss can counter Hellion harass late game.
  • [Post #3] Jinro's opinion on how Protoss should respond to mech play.
  • [Post #4] Jinro talks about Carriers and mentions that he thinks PreDy's mech style could be more viable since the removal of Voidray speed.
  • [Post #5] PreDy mentions some of the harass tactics Jinro uses.
  • [Post #6] More on the hybrid bio/mech and on countering Carriers.
  • [Post #7] Specific reasons why bio/mech seems to work better than pure mech.
  • [Post #8] Being able to beat any Protoss ground.
  • [Post #9]Mech counter to heavy Zealot. The important of Orbitals when playing mech. Adapting to 4gate openings and countering Protoss air.
  • [Post #10] How to respond depending on when you scout it. Different responses for 1gate and 2gate proxies. Follow up builds to win the game.
  • [Post #11] Determining whether a Terran is teching.
  • [Post #12] Negative opinion of tank play and how to counter it.
  • [Post #13] Handling hellion harass early game.

ZvP
  • [Post #1] When to build Zealots.
  • [Post #2] Going double Robo.
  • [Post #3] Zealots and gas management. The importance of a defensive cannon at the natural.
  • [Post #4] Benefits for Protoss of being active with your army.
  • [Post #6] Potential Zerg drop tactics.
  • [Post #6] Dealing with Voidray/Colossus.
  • [Post #7] Responding to a 1base turtling Protoss.

TvT
  • None yet!

ZvZ
  • [Post #1] Idra on various builds and their counters.
  • [Post #2] The importance of mutas and how to get there.
  • [Post #3] How to respond to a 6 pool.
  • [Post #4] 15 pool viable against 6 pool.

PvP
  • [Guide #1] A 3 gate stalker build specifically designed to counter 4 gate. Includes a guide and a Q&A in thread.

  • [Post #1] Builds used to counter 4gate. Positioning and engagement tactics.
  • [Post #2] Which build to use against different 4gate variations. Tip about sentry count.

  • [VOD #1]@20:00 How to stop cannon rushes on maps like Metalopolis where the low ground is close to your minerals. You can discover he is cannoning based on his scouting pattern. The correct response is to throw down a Forge and block off your ramp with 3 Pylons. Then, when you have enough minerals, throw down a cannon on the high ground to kill his cannons. He will not have vision of the high ground.


General T
  • [Post #1] When to scout with an early SCV.
  • [Post #2] Stutter step micro with your units.

General Z
  • [Post #1] Hiding the Overlord scout.
  • [Post #2] Adapting your strategy for the map.
  • [Post #3] Creep tumors, baneling micro, worker transfer.
  • [Post #4] When to send a scouting drone.

General P
  • [Post #1] Expert blink micro, thinking about when to blink forward as well as back.

Miscellaneous
  • [Post #1] Practicing and getting better.
  • [Post #2] Making money off Starcraft 2.
  • [Post #3] The tradeoff between expanding and building a larger army.

  • [Video #1]@6:45 On when you should take gas at your bases. As a general rule, if you are close to saturated you should take gas even if it will pile up.


Who's In This Thread
In the below spoiler tag you'll find a list of pros and hilighted posters who have been quoted in this thread (in alphabetical order).
+ Show Spoiler [List of Players] +

Professionals
  • CatZ
  • IdrA
  • iNcontroL
  • Jinro
  • Minigun
  • PredY
  • Qxc
  • Sheth
  • SjoW
  • Tyler
  • Zelniq

Hilighted Posters
  • CecilSunkure




This thread brought to you by the Nuke News Network, the pros, and all the other awesome people who contribute to the community.
☢
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
February 18 2011 05:41 GMT
#2
Excellent thread. I hope you continue to update as more high level players make posts here.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 05:49:15
February 18 2011 05:43 GMT
#3
Nice idea. You should add iEchoic's guide por TvT
[G] iEchoic's 2fact2port TvT http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189624


EDIT: Hmm.. seing the links on your list, i dont know if this is what you were thinking of. Just feel free to ignore this
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
TheRealzz
Profile Joined November 2010
150 Posts
February 18 2011 05:50 GMT
#4
Thank you!
One-base play is aggression ?
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
February 18 2011 05:59 GMT
#5
Beautiful compilation.

Nice finds, I hope you keep active in the updating.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
February 18 2011 07:29 GMT
#6
Awesome.

Sorry for pointing this out, but the third post in ZvZ should be in ZvP?
[Post #3] Responding to a 1base turtling Protoss.
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
February 18 2011 18:27 GMT
#7
Very surprised there are so little comments. Just wanted to say thanks for compiling all of these. Have you considered quoting things within VODs? A lot of good information gets tossed around in those.
gavinashun
Profile Joined October 2010
101 Posts
February 18 2011 21:21 GMT
#8
Wow, great stuff, thanks!
Atticus.axl
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States456 Posts
February 18 2011 21:39 GMT
#9
Great thread! I can see this getting stickied in the future if we all compile enough info. I'm at work but I'll see if I can help contribute later.
DoctorHelvetica <3
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
February 18 2011 23:12 GMT
#10
Good job! Sticky or something please?
I am Latedi.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
February 19 2011 07:02 GMT
#11
This is really well done, nice job OP. Hope this thread gets the attention it deserves.
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
March 03 2011 23:51 GMT
#12
Thanks for all the positive feedback guys! I was a little sad to see this float off the front page with zero comments, but glad to see that people are finding it useful. =)

I will keep it updated and I really like the idea of quoting VODs. As always, contributions are appreciated. If you are listening to a cast or reading a thread and you see a pro say something, just come mention it in this thread!
☢
[Atomic]Peace
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States451 Posts
March 04 2011 00:31 GMT
#13
On February 18 2011 16:29 35spike1 wrote:
Awesome.

Sorry for pointing this out, but the third post in ZvZ should be in ZvP?
[Post #3] Responding to a 1base turtling Protoss.

Good catch, fixed! No need to apologize for corrections, they are very appreciated.
☢
JawHun
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States151 Posts
April 05 2011 01:08 GMT
#14
I love this thread. Thank you.

iEchoic's take on TvT hasn't been added to this yet!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189624
OpAndroid
Profile Joined July 2010
United States84 Posts
April 05 2011 02:18 GMT
#15
Great idea for the thread, but I would suggest you reorganize the OP so that its is broken down by race. If a zerg player is having trouble with the matchup, they are going to look at the ZvP section, and the first thing they are going to see is "When to build Zealots" followed by "Going Double Robo."

=|
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
SEL S2 Championship: Playoffs
Liquipedia
BSL Team Wars
21:30
Round 5
Team Dewalt vs Team Sziky
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft591
NeuroSwarm 87
ProTech71
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 794
Hyuk 288
sSak 274
Snow 141
HiyA 78
Aegong 53
Noble 42
NaDa 32
Icarus 5
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K559
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox451
Other Games
shahzam955
JimRising 515
C9.Mang0426
Maynarde117
RuFF_SC248
Mew2King43
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• practicex 24
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Diggity3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1379
• Lourlo1162
• Stunt586
Other Games
• Scarra1109
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5h
PiGosaur Monday
19h
LiuLi Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
The PondCast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
OSC
2 days
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
3 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
4 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
[BSL 2025] Weekly
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.