• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:34
CEST 13:34
KST 20:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon7[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway13
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues23LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?39Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris76
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy [G] How to watch Korean progamer Streams.
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast
Brood War
General
alas... i aint gon' lie to u bruh... BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ The Korean Terminology Thread
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group A [ASL20] Ro16 Group B [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Iron Harvest: 1920+ Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Laptop on Rent in Delhi – Smart Choice for Student
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Collective Intelligence: Tea…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1449 users

[G] 3 roach rush speedling all-in

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
wzp
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico9 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 22:21:50
February 04 2011 06:29 GMT
#1
UPDATE -

after so much testing of the build (about 4000 or more games) , and thinking about it a lot, i have found a better way to say if its viable to make the build in a game or not, on 4 player maps, also some improved transitions ill write down.

First off, it is very important to remember that there is no drone scout on this build, because of that you cannot know the position of the opponent. on maps that this build is viable that is is for 4 players, like metalopolis, slag pits and shattered temple, it is better to drone up to 13 supply, and if there is no probe scout arriving at that time, its more safe to do a FE build than this rush, however if the scout does arrive around 13 supply, it is most likely that he is indeed in the closest position and this build becomes highly powerful.


TRANSITIONS (yep, finally)

I have mentioned before a banning transition, but it seems that sentries are able to make it in time for that so there will not be an all in banning after all, first off start by pulling the 3 drones off the gas as just after you start your 3 roaches, there will be no more gas need for a while.

--depending on the damage I recommend the following transitions--

if 3/4 OF HIS PROBE LINE is dead and there is 1-2 or no enemy units left: Do a double FE while staying at 1 gas(pull drones back at gas after the 2 hatchs being made), pumping at least 2 larva injections of drones, set up a evo chamber for detection + anti air, dont go into lair tech until you it is most likely not needed until you get higher economy, and dont attack until he is trying to expand, go spine crawlers, and all in defense, hes only chance to win is doing all in strike, so if you defend it its your game.

if HALF OF HIS PROBE LINE is dead, it is more safe to only expand to your natural quickly, and set only 1 larva injection of full drones before resuming army creation units, start your evo chamber quickly and strike when hes trying to expand to his natural.

if VERY FEW PROBES died or HE HOLDS WITH 1 CANNON , it is better to keep the game at 1 base, doing at least 2 larva injections of drones and setting up the lair for upgrading roach underground movement is the best way to fight back the sentry 1 base lockdown on your ramp.

if your initial zergling finds out 2 OR MORE CANNONS, do full drones expand on the first larva pop, and use the 3 initial roaches to try snipe a gateway or forge on his ramp, without being hit by cannons, Protoss enemy is probably gonna be to scared to come out with his units because of the ling pressure fear.

if HE HOLD OFF THE PUSH WITH GATEWAY UNITS transition to GG. (this only happens with build order mistakes or doing on a long distance.)

BTW the build name is LA WZPNIHA !

ORIGINAL POST-

Hello there fellow zergies, I have been pushed far to much to share some of my chesse build order vs the protoss race, I have always refused to let go some strats i made, specially when it comes to many hours of testing and adjusting timings, but seems like the bomb for this 3 ROACH RUSH speedling all in have broken out of control for a resent post... i have been getting many rage from some toss so, ill share the rage with the rest of you guys... and hope seeing u all at Grand Masters League with it =)
(this build was made by wzp and readjusted by wzp as well for over 3 months)





STEP 1: 10 pool 9 over gas trick whatever u like the most , the idea is to get to 13 drones for pool as fast as posible WHILE sending the overlord to nearby ramp position.

STEP 2: when you do the 13 pool , (MOST IMPORTANT PART ) you gotta make the 12 gas right ?, well if u want everything to work out right u gotta make that gas within the 25-30 minerals, if u take more than 40 minerals to put down the gas, it is very likely that you will die to a good player, yeah it is very important. when u send a drone to go spawing pool instantly select a worker to go nearby gas and SPAM extractor on it the fastest as u can. (for ragers--- 13 gas,12 pool gets you more than 2.5 seconds delay... yea it is a lot of time and money doesnt fit right.)

STEP 3: you go on making drones but remember to never scout, take a drone out to check for proxies, and move em out of the mineral line.. u wanna have them mining and avoid all probe agression on drones if posible, each second drones are off-mineral line you are losing seconds off attack, on DRONE 14 you take the 3 drones and send them to gas , but what does this mean????? it means that when the extraxtor pops u NEED to have the drone ARRIVING for gas to pop 1 at a time, dont send all 3 over, or send them in large timings, 1 every second, just when gas is at 95% finished. (Please dont use the drones in the 4 closest mineral patches, use the ones on the futher away mineral patches)

STEP 4: MAKE THE 15 drone - yea this comes after sending the 3 to the gas and it is very important to do it real quick BUT never before sending the drones to gas it comes out just at 1 second later of the gas pop. supply should be 15/18 by now

STEP 5: WAIT

STEP 6: when spawing pool pops out , make 1 queen right away, followed with a roach warren, (never the other way, its ussually 290min when pool pops) and followed by 1 zerglings supply should be 17/18 by now.

STEP 7: zerglings speed upgrade ( IF YOU WANNA KNOW IF YOU ARE DOING THE BUILD FINE YOU GOTTA MAKE ZERGLINGS SPEED AT EXACTLY 100m/100g) if you are doing the speed upgrade at 120m/100g or more mineral or gas, means you just failed and a third sentry will be there to block the ramp forever.

STEP 8: build an overlord as fast as u can, just spam it when u get close to 80m.

STEP 9: use zergling to kill probe/find the enemy on 4 player maps, and check if the opponent is playing cannon defense or something like that. in which you need to transition into an super awsome build, but for that whisper me ingame plz)

STEP 10: by now you should have 1 of your 2 overlord that were send into the ramps of the maps to find the enemy protoss, if u see a bost on the gateway after a cybernetic you better take your over a little bit behind so it doesnt die(which makes things very very dificult) so yea, dont let your overs die to a sentry or cronoed stalker be stealthy with it.

STEP 11: Inject larva and set RALLY POINT outside the enemy ramp(doesnt matter if its too close but try to place it at least out of vision)

STEP 12: when roach warren pops, your overlord should be poping as at exact time and create !!!!! 3 ROACHES !! omg was u able to do it ? cuz if you did i absolutly congratulate you cuz it took me a while to do it and its a pain. anywas if ur third roach is comming out 1-2 secs after its acceptable just remember its 1-2 extra secs your oponent will have to make the killing sentry(which is the #4, 3 sentrys is break-able with this) - --- -- if your third roach is comming out more than 3 seconds after your 2 first roaches then you gotta practice it a lot, its not that it will not work with a delayed roach, its just that it will not be "La wzpinha" rush.


step 13 i guess : take 2 drones out of gas (only 2) after the 3 roaches and make the next larva an overlord, make all upcoming larvas zerglings with the alrdy mentioned rally point. and start the pew pew



execution on ramp: when your 3 roaches are coming up the ramp (or in many fail cases 2 roaches and a third trying to catch on) take your overlord nearby enemy ramp, even if they can attack it, if u see a sentry come for overlord try to snipe it with roaches from right away, if not go up the ramp and i mean ALL THE way up to HUG the zealot dont attack until you are loving the zealot thats blocking the path, attack and try to break in, if you got froce field down the ramp use the over to see the zealot blocking the way and attack it with roaches so it moves away, prepares your speedlings and run in
when more than 20 lings go inside its pretty much over with basic micro, i suggest stomping the pylons near the cybernetics to stop the wrapgate tech if theres only 1.



ill leave build order but please read above >.>
10 lord
13pool
12gas <--- supa fast
15 queen
17 roach warren
16 zergling <-- kill probes , dont try take on the zealot on the ramp
17 speed upgrade
17 overlord
17 ROACH X 3 <--- at the same time if possible.
23 overlord <-- i always forget this guy
23 zerglings till the end of times.


last advice ( dont attack with 2 roaches, wait for the third 1 even if its coming way behind, all 3 must go up the ramp togheter)

DANGER: avoid doing this more than 10 times in a row to the same player, for he might get extremely frustrated and make a post about it. cof cof ( travis).

WZP - 554 - LA
WZP- 554- NA
pew pew
eth3n
Profile Joined August 2010
718 Posts
February 04 2011 06:44 GMT
#2
And this is the wzp that was recently so popular?
Idra Potter: I don't use avada kedavra because i have self-respect.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
February 04 2011 06:53 GMT
#3
On February 04 2011 15:44 eth3n wrote:
And this is the wzp that was recently so popular?


Yes this is the build Liquid'Travis has been having issues with and started a thread about it.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Fugue
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Australia253 Posts
February 04 2011 06:54 GMT
#4
I'd just like to congratulate you on working so hard for this build.

Even if others say they have done it since beta, or it's no different from another build, or it's nothing special, or its just cheese, you worked hard on this, and refined it to your liking, and blasted a high level player 3 times with it. Bravo.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
February 04 2011 06:54 GMT
#5
Nice! Haha, but u didn't want to mention the counters...!

Anyways, over at the the other thread, I think it took some time, but they managed to figure it out. The build relies on the roach warren coming down immediately when the pool finishes. However, the scouting probe can then find this. But many protosses don't want to potentially sacrifice the probe.
mikeszhang
Profile Joined December 2010
9 Posts
February 04 2011 06:56 GMT
#6
I have heard great things from those that analyzed the replay that travis posted. I look forward to being able to use this in an online game. You have done the zerg players in the TL community a great service ^_^
Amirag
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico6 Posts
February 04 2011 06:57 GMT
#7
And this is the wzp that was recently so popular?


Haha, he sure is.

Wow I never imagined you had all those timmings so worked out. Keep messing with the metagame . LA fighting =).
AnxiousHippo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia1451 Posts
February 04 2011 07:09 GMT
#8
Great stuff, I hope to try it out soon
An apple a day keeps the Protoss away | TLHF
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 08:21:57
February 04 2011 08:20 GMT
#9
On February 04 2011 15:29 wzp wrote:
but seems like the bomb for this 3 ROACH RUSH speedling all in have broken out of control for a resent post... i have been getting many rage from some toss so, ill share the rage with the rest of you guys...

wzp probably meant "recent post" but I like how he mis-spelled it as resent.
TheMute
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States458 Posts
February 04 2011 11:22 GMT
#10
Great build. I want to know the super awesome transition build when you see cannons or something.
Friends are simply people you can do/say vulgar things to.
Goobus
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong587 Posts
February 04 2011 11:37 GMT
#11
this guy's got swagger, and i like it
Evaner
Profile Joined January 2011
Italy94 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-04 12:18:39
February 04 2011 12:18 GMT
#12
It's a good opening, if you play around with it a little you'll notice there's a lot more than a well timed all in behind it, it's adjustable to transition in case of a counter and it's also usable in the other MUs.
icezar
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany240 Posts
February 04 2011 12:44 GMT
#13
Hey! give us noobs also your ZvZ and ZvT builds....
...also you need to do a follow-up for this or a transition for when they 2-3 cannons or they block with a lot of buildings.
CaptainHaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States240 Posts
February 04 2011 16:42 GMT
#14
On February 04 2011 21:18 Evaner wrote:
It's a good opening, if you play around with it a little you'll notice there's a lot more than a well timed all in behind it, it's adjustable to transition in case of a counter and it's also usable in the other MUs.

Actually, if you read the post, that's pretty much all it is. Unless my math is off and he has another like 26 drones hidden somewhere.

The transition is only worth it if you succeed in doing enough damage with it, otherwise you will unconditionally die to the counter.
All of us warned you of the big white face.
LoWLionsXe
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico1 Post
February 04 2011 16:48 GMT
#15
keep it up man! ur builds are great :3.
ReNhoSoft
Profile Joined November 2010
Mexico69 Posts
February 04 2011 17:04 GMT
#16
Nice build order, and a really detailed explanation so everyone knows if they're doing the build right or not. I'm not a fan of all ins, but this one looks really solid. Hats off to you man

Btw, you should stick to the Strategy forum guidelines, I had no idea what this thread was about with the title you gave it :/
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
February 04 2011 17:09 GMT
#17
not sure why you needed to make another thread on it
starleague forever
badday
Profile Joined February 2011
6 Posts
February 04 2011 17:21 GMT
#18
psst: the counter is to scout after cybercore, see the roach warren, make an aggressive bad-mannered GG, chrono some units out and enjoy your points.
ShindyK2
Profile Joined November 2010
Korea (South)19 Posts
February 04 2011 18:03 GMT
#19
On February 05 2011 02:21 badday wrote:
psst: the counter is to scout after cybercore, see the roach warren, make an aggressive bad-mannered GG, chrono some units out and enjoy your points.


Replay plz? Because the people you beat probably didnt have the timings out right, which is all that matters in a timing attack.
"Zerg is sad"
schiznak
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia258 Posts
February 04 2011 18:08 GMT
#20
If you have any other sweet cheese you've cooked up, i think you would be doing a huge favor to all zergs if you shared those as-well.
"That's very e-sports of you to have the camera focused on the people instead of the game" -ultradavid
1 2 3 4 5 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Season 2: Playoffs Day 1
Reynor vs ZounLIVE!
Tasteless839
Crank 675
IndyStarCraft 112
Rex110
CranKy Ducklings108
3DClanTV 53
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 839
Crank 675
Harstem 134
IndyStarCraft 112
Rex 110
Lowko101
ProTech11
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3693
Rain 3357
Sea 2944
Flash 1952
GuemChi 1890
Bisu 1151
Jaedong 770
firebathero 427
sSak 364
BeSt 314
[ Show more ]
Stork 277
EffOrt 245
Shuttle 208
Soulkey 205
hero 196
Snow 191
Mini 158
Last 153
Light 128
Barracks 120
Soma 107
Backho 94
Pusan 74
ggaemo 62
Aegong 50
ToSsGirL 49
Mong 46
TY 43
Liquid`Ret 43
JulyZerg 40
Rush 35
Icarus 25
Sharp 20
soO 20
sorry 20
sas.Sziky 18
Sexy 15
Sea.KH 14
HiyA 11
Bale 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
IntoTheRainbow 8
Terrorterran 7
Britney 0
Dota 2
The International87017
Gorgc6285
Dendi580
BananaSlamJamma112
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1554
shoxiejesuss636
x6flipin534
Other Games
B2W.Neo433
crisheroes325
DeMusliM282
Mew2King72
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 1113
Other Games
gamesdonequick807
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler71
League of Legends
• Jankos696
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
26m
TaeJa vs SHIN
ByuN vs Creator
The PondCast
1h 26m
RSL Revival
22h 26m
Classic vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Maru
Online Event
1d
Kung Fu Cup
1d
BSL Team Wars
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
Maestros of the Game
2 days
ShoWTimE vs Classic
Clem vs herO
Serral vs Bunny
Reynor vs Zoun
Cosmonarchy
2 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
[BSL 2025] Weekly
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
Maestros of the Game
3 days
BSL Team Wars
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Snow vs Sharp
Jaedong vs Mini
Wardi Open
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Light vs Speed
Larva vs Soma
LiuLi Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Copa Latinoamericana 4
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Polish World Championship 2025
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
EC S1
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.