• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:15
CET 06:15
KST 14:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
Recent recommended BW games ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group B [ASL21] Ro24 Group A
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon General RTS Discussion Thread Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8361 users

[G] 3 roach rush speedling all-in - Page 10

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 All
Acridice
Profile Joined December 2010
United States298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 16:52:18
April 26 2011 16:49 GMT
#181
I honestly don't think that WZP can upload recent replays because this build doesn't work anymore now that people know what it is.

Edit: This is meant to be a friendly challenge more than anything, and I'm still waiting on a reply to my PM WZP. : )
The superior man is modest in his speech, but exceeds in his actions. - Confucius
Timestreamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Israel157 Posts
April 26 2011 17:04 GMT
#182
I know this is slightly early to ask, but with the whole 1.3.3 patch hysteria going on right now, do you think the new patch will completely deny this build? Maybe only at around masters?(where execution is really supposed to be down to the last second)
talleyhooo
Profile Joined February 2011
19 Posts
April 26 2011 22:11 GMT
#183
I am high diamond and open with this build almost exclusively in ZvP, simply because I really hate the matchup and just want to get it over with, one way or another. I have been using this build since it was originally posted.

This build continues to work for me probably 80-90% of the time. I see that this build is being questioned for some reason right now, but I assume that is more directed toward high level gameplay. I cannot speak to that, but up to and including high diamond play it is solid. I hope that lower league players do not question this build's strength in their leagues because of Aricide or others' posts.

I don't even send the overlord anymore. I usually run up the ramp with just the three roaches, snipe the zealot and then pour in the lings. When it fails, it is due to two sentries being out and good FF micro while awaiting the finish of warp gate tech. This build is very easy to scout (roach warren goes down before lings are on the map).- but I am finding that most players don't respond properly (up to high diamond).
day9 is annoying
bond1
Profile Joined January 2011
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-26 22:53:00
April 26 2011 22:50 GMT
#184
I'm curious how this build will work on 1.3.3 with the gateway unit build time decreases. Anyone tested on the PTR yet?

The reduced zealot time will definetely encourage 2gate. They increased it from 33 to 38 to discourage them, and now that its back to 33 it seems safe to assume that 2gate will increase in popularity. A super fast 2gate would seem to destroy this build. Even if it doesn't, the extra speed might get that critical extra sentry in, and with such razor fine timings i don't know if the build would be vaible. :\ Just theorycraft, but I can't get on to the PTR to test it.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
April 26 2011 23:19 GMT
#185
Because the roach warren goes up so early, I was able to hold proxy 2gate pretty easily the couple of times I faced it when using this build. I don't think that will change a lot under the new patch.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
bond1
Profile Joined January 2011
38 Posts
April 26 2011 23:29 GMT
#186
Ok, that makes sense. It's the earlier sentries that I'm really worried about though. The 5 seconds isn't just a flat time decrease, it compounds. The first sentry is 5 secs earlier, the second 10, the third fifteen, and the supposedly undefeatable fourth is a full 20 seconds faster. That seems like trouble :\
Chronopolis
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada1484 Posts
April 26 2011 23:31 GMT
#187
I propose a counter, by walling in so that the zealot is not adjacent to the cliff (should be possible), and forcefielding at the BOTTOM of the ramp. That way your zealot which is pinned, isn't going to be under roach fire. TAKE THAT you ruthless cheeser.
terr13
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
April 26 2011 23:34 GMT
#188
It's always possible to lure the sentry out of position with an OL or something.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
April 26 2011 23:54 GMT
#189
I'm pretty sure 3gate Sentry expand hard counters this build. Good FFs can split off a Roach and kill it and delay until you hit critical Sentry mass, at which point no amount of Zerglings and Roaches can break that choke. The counterattack from Protoss is also very crippling. The Zerg should still be on T1 tech, and good Sentry micro can just crush that and destroy any expansion the Zerg is hoping to make, or at the very least secure an expansion for the Protoss.

I could be wrong, though. This is just as a Protoss player.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
terr13
Profile Joined April 2007
United States298 Posts
April 27 2011 06:26 GMT
#190
The attack is designed to hit before you have enough sentries to hold them off. By the time they hit your base you have 1-2 sentries, and after the FF wears off, they can charge in.
Pamposek
Profile Joined April 2011
Czech Republic56 Posts
April 27 2011 06:50 GMT
#191
I was trying this build on ladder and i met protoss, which countered it on metalopolis ... by 2 gate (not proxy) zealot push. Roaches were not fast enough out to deal with them and when they pop, damage was already done.
Problem is, that there is no scout ... is there a way to hold it off? (Sorry no replay attached, my computer ate them all)
We are the swarm!
wzp
Profile Joined January 2011
Mexico9 Posts
April 28 2011 14:46 GMT
#192
i think it will still be able to work on 1.3.3, due to the highly gas cost of the sentry, spaming it too early in the game might just mess up the new timing that will come up, ill test it on the 1.3.3 and see what it happens, im actually more worried about the zerg FE beign imposible cuz of the 2 gate rush will work again , but this rush will still kick, it never misses .

any1 want replays? pm me to wzp.554 and ill send some.

WZP WZP WZP WZP : O!
pew pew
Matiz_pl
Profile Joined August 2008
Poland163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 15:25:55
May 03 2011 15:24 GMT
#193
do you have EU account? i'd like to see some replays but i dont have US account so i cant PM you

- edit - i guess i just did one of the dumbest post ever xd can u pm me those reps on TL here?
"Competitive gaming consists of one and only one rule. You use what wins. " - FuumaMonou
Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
June 30 2011 21:13 GMT
#194
You know I've been playing with this build, I really like it because you don't have to adjust your build to do it, you can use it after reacting to what you scout (ie as opposed to 6 pool).

If you send a 9 or 10 scout, you can get to close spawns on Metal/Shattered soon enough that you can respond in time to do this , instead of say, 14 gas or 15 hatch or whatever builds. This is the reaason I really really love this build! Whenever I spawn close spawns on ZvP, I just do this build because its total BS as it is, but this build is awesome.

I've been playing around a bit, and I noticed you can really throw gas and pool at 14g/13p too - you just drone up to 15 and everything 'falls in place' - you can get queen, all that, you may just be off a few seconds as opposed to 'optimal' BO.

Really strong build. I like to make an evo chamber when the money starts to rack up at the end. I think maybe leaving a few guys in gas for more roaches or something may be a better idea, as there seems to be just a drone or two too many.
How to build a $500 i7-3770K Ultimate Computer:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=392709 ******** 100% Safe Razorless Delid Method! http://www.overclock.net/t/1376206/how-to-delid-your-ivy-bridge-cpu-with-out-a-razor-blade/0_100
CCalms
Profile Joined November 2010
United States341 Posts
June 30 2011 23:23 GMT
#195
On July 01 2011 06:13 Belial88 wrote:
You know I've been playing with this build, I really like it because you don't have to adjust your build to do it, you can use it after reacting to what you scout (ie as opposed to 6 pool).

If you send a 9 or 10 scout, you can get to close spawns on Metal/Shattered soon enough that you can respond in time to do this , instead of say, 14 gas or 15 hatch or whatever builds. This is the reaason I really really love this build! Whenever I spawn close spawns on ZvP, I just do this build because its total BS as it is, but this build is awesome.

I've been playing around a bit, and I noticed you can really throw gas and pool at 14g/13p too - you just drone up to 15 and everything 'falls in place' - you can get queen, all that, you may just be off a few seconds as opposed to 'optimal' BO.

Really strong build. I like to make an evo chamber when the money starts to rack up at the end. I think maybe leaving a few guys in gas for more roaches or something may be a better idea, as there seems to be just a drone or two too many.

This stops working once you get out of diamond, by the way. Sentry build time is shorter and the timing was close enough before. Maybe you should make a thread about it.
Blimp
Profile Joined August 2010
45 Posts
July 01 2011 02:13 GMT
#196
Title of the post included the phrase "all-in".

Part of the post included "Transition", immediately stopped reading.


User was temp banned for this post.
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-01 02:48:53
July 01 2011 02:45 GMT
#197
On July 01 2011 08:23 CCalms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2011 06:13 Belial88 wrote:
You know I've been playing with this build, I really like it because you don't have to adjust your build to do it, you can use it after reacting to what you scout (ie as opposed to 6 pool).

If you send a 9 or 10 scout, you can get to close spawns on Metal/Shattered soon enough that you can respond in time to do this , instead of say, 14 gas or 15 hatch or whatever builds. This is the reaason I really really love this build! Whenever I spawn close spawns on ZvP, I just do this build because its total BS as it is, but this build is awesome.

I've been playing around a bit, and I noticed you can really throw gas and pool at 14g/13p too - you just drone up to 15 and everything 'falls in place' - you can get queen, all that, you may just be off a few seconds as opposed to 'optimal' BO.

Really strong build. I like to make an evo chamber when the money starts to rack up at the end. I think maybe leaving a few guys in gas for more roaches or something may be a better idea, as there seems to be just a drone or two too many.

This stops working once you get out of diamond, by the way. Sentry build time is shorter and the timing was close enough before. Maybe you should make a thread about it.



1500 masters and I still have a very, very high win-rate with this build (in the written form) in close positions. Hell, I've even won with it the couple times I tried it in cross positions or on XNC. It's actually incredibly powerful at all levels short of (I would imagine) the very top of the ladder. P just don't know how to deal with it, and respond in all the wrong ways.

The patch that buffed sentry build time actually buffed this build by delaying warpgate by 20 seconds, imo. In my experience, usually, a P would win by stalling until warpgate finished, then warping in 3 units to break the push. Now, he can't do that--you have 20 more seconds before warpgate finishes to break him before he gets that big warp-in. And once you're in his base, the warp-in can't save him from the stream of lings.

On July 01 2011 11:13 Blimp wrote:
Title of the post included the phrase "all-in".

Part of the post included "Transition", immediately stopped reading.



Be a bit more open-minded. An all-in is a build that needs to do tons of damage. The "transition" section says that if he held without sacrificing economy, you transition to losing the game. The other transitions assume you did varying but significant amounts of damage (e.g. forced cannons, killed probes) and want to know how to win from there.
kyarisan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States347 Posts
July 01 2011 09:39 GMT
#198
my build chronoboosts sentries. if you come up against a player who is doing that, you're probably fucked, they can forcefield the ramp permanently as they establish 4-gate and then you're dead.
Ryuk_J
Profile Joined August 2011
South Africa1 Post
August 08 2011 16:16 GMT
#199
How to Deal with them if there are cannons? should we for sure change the build and stop the rush?
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
August 08 2011 19:23 GMT
#200
On August 09 2011 01:16 Ryuk_J wrote:
How to Deal with them if there are cannons? should we for sure change the build and stop the rush?

depends on positioning of said cannon, more often than not you will be able to pick off a building. he's gonna have one hell of a time defending this if he forge FE'd (map dependent).
Prev 1 8 9 10 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:00
Best Games of SC
Maru vs Solar
Rogue vs MaxPax
herO vs Clem
SHIN vs ByuN
herO vs SHIN
TBD vs ByuN
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
-ZergGirl 242
ProTech11
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 376
Dewaltoss 63
sSak 42
Noble 42
Tasteless 12
Dota 2
febbydoto20
LuMiX1
League of Legends
JimRising 575
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv431
Other Games
summit1g8972
C9.Mang0440
WinterStarcraft428
crisheroes242
Nina131
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV96
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH243
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• Sammyuel 0
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 38
• Azhi_Dahaki22
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 46m
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
Platinum Heroes Events
9h 46m
BSL
14h 46m
RSL Revival
1d 4h
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
1d 6h
BSL
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 18h
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.