I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
On March 04 2024 12:05 DarthPunk wrote: I'm around if anyone wants to chat.
You don‘t want to be mayor?
Patriotism is just a defense mechanism for those who can only feel at home in their own country.
Unrelated but randomly came to me on my way home.
Otherwise…
I will roll back on my promise to vote Palmar and want to be mayor instead. I think it would be beneficial and I will just leave the actual work to others like certain US presidents.
Wooow already flip flopping on your promises, that's also a classic US president move.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed.
Reading the OP is a good skill toi have. We're gonna have a mayor and a D1 lynch.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
Don't really agree with this when we know there are 5 mafia influencing the action.
There's always mafia influencing lmfao, that's the whole point of the game. Scum aren't gonna have any more or less influence than they usually do, there are also a lot more townies than we've had recently.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
I think I fundamentally disagree with you on how the game works. I don't trust any one player on D1, much less do I trust their singular reads. Yes it's true that there might be someone who comes up with a perfect scumlist D1, but without any knowledge of flips, I have no way of knowing their list is better than mine. I obviously believe my reads first but on D1 they could be fucking terrible and I just don't know it yet. Town consensus at least provides multiple inputs so if I see several people who I think are good players reading the game the same way that I am, it helps me to solidify my reads.
Let's put it this way. If I was a vig, I would never ever shoot D1. This mayor kill is no different than that in my eyes. Town KP is usually at a premium so I don't think it should be used based on one player's gut read D1.
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
I think I fundamentally disagree with you on how the game works. I don't trust any one player on D1, much less do I trust their singular reads. Yes it's true that there might be someone who comes up with a perfect scumlist D1, but without any knowledge of flips, I have no way of knowing their list is better than mine. I obviously believe my reads first but on D1 they could be fucking terrible and I just don't know it yet. Town consensus at least provides multiple inputs so if I see several people who I think are good players reading the game the same way that I am, it helps me to solidify my reads.
Let's put it this way. If I was a vig, I would never ever shoot D1. This mayor kill is no different than that in my eyes. Town KP is usually at a premium so I don't think it should be used based on one player's gut read D1.
How about we just talk about who is mafia and who is town.
Good plan, I don't play on mafiascum so I am unfamiliar with the game that you referenced about oats being intentionally thick. I actually agree with iamperfection that town are more likely to not read the OP, I know the only reason I read this OP was bc I decided to run for mayor. Do you really think not knowing the OP counts as not being "sharp"? That seems lazy.
On March 04 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote: can we not speculate on hypothetical wagons for now.
For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet.
Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him.
He was good last game on MS though, when he was town.
It's weird to me that both you and DP mentioned the MS game within a minute of each other in your attempts to call out oats.
Trfel or Jacob I'm curious if this stood out to either of you guys.
Especially in light of DP seemingly backing off Oats a bit
It didn't stand out to me, why? Are you suggesting that they were talking about it in the mafia chat or something which is why they brought it up here? (which seems extremely unlikely) Or what makes this interesting?
It did make me wonder, one of them could have mentioned it in a scum chat and then they both decided to bring it up, not realizing the other was going to say it.
... ok as I typed that out, I realized how tinfoil hat it sounds. That's a very very unlikely scenario, disregard.
On March 04 2024 12:38 iamperfection wrote: can we not speculate on hypothetical wagons for now.
For what its worth nobody's posts have given me mafia goosebumps yet.
Are you so quick to write off Oats for not reading the OP? But I agree that I probably won‘t vote for him.
He was good last game on MS though, when he was town.
It's weird to me that both you and DP mentioned the MS game within a minute of each other in your attempts to call out oats.
Trfel or Jacob I'm curious if this stood out to either of you guys.
Especially in light of DP seemingly backing off Oats a bit
To be honest no I wasn't paying attention to previous game meta as I wasn't watching it if they were both heavly involved so I've just been half filtering it out as vibes.
This said thinking about it now I think it would be strange for mafia dp to get vivax and be like hey lets both at the same time back off or go on oats with the same reasoning so I think it's a conicidence.
Yeah like I said in my response to trfel I think I had my D1 tinfoil hat on a bit too tight but it was just really weird reading very similar posts back to back.
On March 04 2024 13:05 DarthPunk wrote: DMB what is vivax's alignment?
EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS A SUSPECT RIGHT now. How the hell should i tell after one hour who could be tip top town (for this shit mayor thing) and mafia. He is nothing as player right now. But he was so mad at you for getting fooled by you on mafiascum that it´s just strange how give you this fucking early a townread. the hell i am thinking already of you and Vivax togther. But still to fucking early to make any decision on any aligment. I will take the first day do find a tip top town to vote as mayor because we always get the first lynch wrong anyways but thats how find the mafia later. I just don´t know what will happen if we lose the game because if mafia will fool us that this one person is maximum Town and best option for mayor. What happens if we vote mafia for mayor? we can not just lynch our mayor or can we still? Do you have any game with mayor I can read so I would better understand how importend that role is? Because I think mafia will act and play differnt as usuall on D1 just because of this.
HEY WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS AND IN THE BEDROOM STAYS THERE
I actually think DMB is asking a very fair question here. You're townreading DP off of a similar read on Oat's activity but DP has subsequently backed off that read a bit. Are you still viewing him as town? Are you still suspicious of oats?
On March 04 2024 13:24 JacobStrangelove wrote: yeah DMB's big post did seem kinda odd. I don't know why yet though. Just didn't seem like them. Then again it didn't seem like mafia or town them so I'm not sure what that means yet.
This is DMB's first game where she got lynched as town, give it a read bc so far she comes across very similar imo.
I'm going to bed, got work in the morning but I'll try to stay caught up on the thread on my phone so I don't have 5 million pages to read tomorrow night.
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
????
What do you mean Mr Darcy?
Nay, I am just Saitama at best
Wickham at worst.
Oh shit that is sooooo bad, I like Mr. Bingley.
Well, Heyoka or whoever does it now was too slow
So I must be Alakaslam
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason.
The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie.
Stop avoiding my question.
I am not avoiding?
My towncircle is obs dumb and truffle
Why are they town?
Ok mr. Fakey pretending to solve the game
Why am i mafia or why am i town?
Who is town and who is mafia?
I've absolutely hated the last two pages from cake. She blatantly avoided DP to the point where he had to ask 3 times. This is much better from DP compared to the shit with Oats in the beginning and throws an immediate red flag for Cake in my eyes.
On March 04 2024 15:28 Alakaslam wrote: [quote] Well, Heyoka or whoever does it now was too slow
So I must be Alakaslam
Which is much closer to uncle. . . What was David Balfour's uncle's name?
Or maybe Captian Hoseason.
The uncle is a cool guy, totally fits you 👏🏼🥂 I honestly forgot the name too 🤣 I am a fan of the Keira Knightley movie.
Stop avoiding my question.
I am not avoiding?
My towncircle is obs dumb and truffle
Why are they town?
Ok mr. Fakey pretending to solve the game
Why am i mafia or why am i town?
Who is town and who is mafia?
Answer my question and then I will answer yours.
Which ones I ignored?
Why did you think DMB and Trfel were town when you invited them to the tea party?
I liked Dumb calling out how different you are playing here, the lack of macho bravado. She is flowing on her own.
Trfl is the same, composed and trying to answer, giving different perspectives. Besides last game he was insane with his reads so he gets invited.
Although I actually agree with her reasoning here. I just hate how it feels like it took her time after the fact to come up with reasons since it took her so long to answer so it feels a bit disingenuous.
On March 04 2024 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's very easy to follow Cake's thought process on your "problem" with her. If she is mafia, your reasoning is definitely not why she is mafia. It's not her problem if you didn't understand she called Trfel and DMB town, hell i can even easily follow her reasoning. Just because she is being abrasive towards you (or you think so) doesn't make her mafia.
Slam has actually posted some scummy shit which i will come back to later. Also his town meta imo contradicts heavily his MO this game, yet you are somehow unwilling to make any conclusion about his alignment so far.
I hope you come back to the slam point later in the thread bc right now I disagree with your meta read. I pretty consistently say I can't read slam but I feel like after last game I was getting better at it. Granted that was 9 months ago.
On March 04 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote: If we vote for the tip top town to be mayor, why can't we trust them with a vig shot?
Sure make suggestions and stuff, but I know if I was the mayor I am just going to back myself, because I know I am town and can make a smart shot.
But I don't know if you're town and I'm still not trusting my tip top town with a shot on D1.
Sorry MZ, you’d trust a collective town with all sorts of levels of play, and containing multiple mafia, to make a better choice than your best town read?
On D1? Yes. Outside of people like Ver or Ace or incognito, I don't think there's anyone on TL who I'd trust over my own reads on D1. I know trfel and I kinda beat the whole mayor kill thing to death in the first few pages but I just think using it as a town double lynch has a way higher chance of hitting scum than one guy taking a gut shot.
On March 04 2024 17:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Cake do you think DP's reasoning for calling you mafia last game when you were actually mafia was good?
If I remember correctly, he called me mafia for having TMI for calling you town in a secure way. Which I applaud.
Here, I honestly do not understand or I am pretty stupid.
Anyways, that doesnt change my read on him. He is a strong, secure player. He cares for other people’s opinions like when he was town in the game Slam was mafia.
In the marvvivaxcake game, I was asking many questions, he engaged and answered. He demanded answers.
Here, I ignored him and he did nothing until Oats came and started to talk about me.
As someone who kinda “played” him, I would imagine he would try to figure me out asap. (Played as in I stayed alive and made him second guess TTT)
Thing is, DP is bravado, he has said so before such as “he controls lynches” and stuff like that. Here, he is too quiet for the exception of calling me wolf.
As I said before, if he was interested in me he would have called me out inmediatly for ignoring him and not just when Oats came. Idk it seems like lazy mafia using “I was right last time”
Am I wrong for getting with this conclusion? This is a general question for everyone, not just Rayn.
First off the red piece is objectively wrong, DP is like a top 3 poster in this game purely on volume. Secondly I think you're completely mischaracterizing the interaction you two had a couple of pages back.
On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
OK this is fair in my eyes, TL towns are very chatty and if you come from somewhere that's not I could believe this position.
On March 04 2024 21:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dont think Cake is town? I think ytour points 1 and 2 dont make her mafia, which i was kind of arguing. I think your point 3 is alid and it actually can make her mafia.
Well you said my scum read on her was unreasonable so that kind of implied you thought she was town right?
No that doesn't mean that. It was more about my read on you rather than Cake's alignment.
What did it mean about that?
Im gonna answer this and then continue in the same post with other things.
If your read looks unreasonable to me, it might indicate you're mafia. Cake's alignment doesnt matter here at all since its not out of question you would make a shitty scumread even on your partner, just to back off from it later on. Its just that if you make a shitty read, that implicates you being mafia, regardless of the other person's alignment.
I take back my town read on Trfel, i thought i saw something there when i was reading the thread at work but re-reading now that something didn't actually exist. Trfel could very well be mafia.
I am still considering Slam mafia, and it's not a meta read. Sure at first it started as a meta read when he looked more serious and laid back than usual. That can be explained with his rl-situation. However, there should be simply no way he is considering me as his best vote for mayor at the moment. 1) I have openly stated he is my only scumread in the game at that point 2) DP makes points about Cake, Slam calls all of them good points. I disagree with 2/3 of those points, Slam STILL goes like "oh rayn makes very good point" -- both of those things can't be in his head, either DP's points are good or they are not in his opinion, yet he's saying they both are and they aren't. Furhtermore i don't in any case understand why he is making a list of who he is preferring as mayor in which order. He said before game he would want Hapa for mayor, why doesn't he even wait for Hapa to post while starting to campign "rayn for mayor" when it doesn't even make any sense for him to do so if he is town?
I don't like your trfel read especially since you withdrew it right as sandroba showed up in the thread and said he didn't like trfel's post as well.
Or maybe trfel just has me pocketed bc I liked our conversations in the first few pages.
Thanks for expanding on your slam read, that actually makes a lot of sense and is congruent with how I've read the last few pages.
On March 04 2024 22:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: That's a good point sandro, curious to know your thoughts on copcake vs DP and Ray's alighnment from your perspective.
Honestly undecided on DP, leaning town on copcake. If I had to decide now I would say it's most likely TvT here. Rayn is amongst my top town with dmb and trfel, Coincidentally, you are one of my few scum hunches so far.
I don't agree with the town on copcake but the rest of your reads are fairly close to mine, DP's posts on copcake have me feeling much better about him.
I'd love to hear more about Jacob from you bc there's a post I have in mind and I'm wondering if it's the same one that set off your alarm bells.
On March 05 2024 00:12 iamperfection wrote: I have been thinking about the whisperer. There is no reason not to claim it immediately if your town no? I think so right? As in I am the whisperer and I whispered so and so.
Who's scum? I started off agreeing with you on Oats but you haven't done much since. Is DP still suspicious to you?
OK I'm caught up for now, only person in my shop today so I'll be busy. My flight schedule got moved around as well and now I'm flying tomorrow and might not be around for the deadline so I'm gonna end my mayoral campaign. There are currently a couple people I lean town on running for mayor but all of them want to use the mayor lynch as a vigi shot. If I was forced to pick rn I'd probably vote for sandroba.
- My first post was on page 17 - Ignored DP on page 18 intentionally to see his reaction, there was no reaction. I expected DP to come like CAKE WHY ARE YOU NOT ANSWERING ME, but when Oats started to talk about me, he called him town and started to engage with me after that. Me ignoring DP intentionally to catch a reaction doesnt make me mafia.
Me doing "town circles" which is like talking with people I find more likely town and interesting in this scenario via being good on another game or have same views as me doesnt make me mafia. Specially I have done this and I find it relaxing, engaging and make the thread not to be too serious or depressive. Besides talking with them can make me change my opinion.
Just the same way me "acting differently" (if you think so) doesn't make me town either. It is more of the porpouse if you think I am actually trying to get information or not for real.
But let´s not talk about me, I want to talk about Slam and how I am mafia when I town read trfel but his scum read scum reads me?????
The bolded part is really easy for you to claim after the fact. Not saying that's what you did but we have no way of knowing for sure as the town.
Also I have 42 pages to catch up on holy shit y'all went crazy. I just got home so give me a bit.
On March 05 2024 01:52 sandroba wrote: @rayn I'm chatting a bit with marv and I'm curious about how you came to town read him. We've chatted a bit post game and I remember you being skeptical of reads being made through private chats.
he gave pretty much the same "reads list" at some point in our chat that i had at the time. before i said anything about my reads.
Based on what you told me before I'm having difficulty accepting you built trust with marv only based on that being shared privately.
I am unsure of why it should look worse for him to tell those reads to me privately rather than posting them in thread? Because i find it the opposite.
Maybe if Marv was active in the thread and posting reads to see reactions and then was telling you his thoughts n said reactions privately to bounce ideas off you if he thinks you're town I could see that from a town viewpoint but just solely keeping stuff to himself is a little suspect imo.
On March 05 2024 02:13 Vivax wrote: I have been thinking a bit about it and believe that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of me claiming Jailkeeper on D1.
That‘s basically the only reason I want to be mayor.
I think that with half the day over we‘re far enough in the phase to have gathered who else was keen on the mayor spot without having the role to justify it.
Vivax, especially after this claim I really think you are town. However, you have likely rendered the role useless. Basically, making you mayor is prob guaranteeing a town mayor but not much else.
I agree with this line of thinking unless Vivax gets CC'd in the next 40 pages. But I have no idea why scum would pull this play unless they're rolling the dice on the setup which is still retarded. I think Vivax claiming D1 is also moronic but not as moronic as fake claiming as scum would be.
In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed.
I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean.
Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm.
I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check.
Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue.
On March 05 2024 02:27 iamperfection wrote: Why in the world would we make that moron mayor
Because baring a CC he's as close to confirmed town as you can get D1?
As I offered up when I was running for mayor, we can still determine his target and lynch the shit out of him if he strays from the town's will.
There's actually a sorta dumb genius to his play bc as mayor he's not gonna get NK'd bc of the body guards so he's not gonna require a potential medic save and all he does is tie up a potential roleblocker to allow other blues room to manuever.
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor.
I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around.
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
I’m inclined to agree
Why? We can dictate his kill to him and lynch him if he doesn't do it.
Again by agreeing with that post I assume you're accepting the premise that vivax is town
On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.
This play would be inspiringly stupid as scum, unless you win setup roulette then it's essentially a 1for1 swap with a blue role which is not a great deal for scum but town would take any day.
On March 05 2024 02:39 marvellosity wrote: Vivax is town but I don’t trust his lynch target if he gets elected.
Vivax what's your intent regarding your lynch target?
I'd just go with the second majority like MZ offered. I am mostly just interested in not playing reactively and reading and producing readslists atm. Being off the table helps me.
Besides, I already know I won't need to put effort in if some players here won't give semi-confirmed town the spot.
Right now they could be looking at the other ones who wanted the role but instead they just jeer.
Music to my ears. I was not impressed with vivax early D1 but I think I have to believe the claim and offering the lynch to the town is exactly what I wanted.
I'll wait until I'm fully caught up to vote but it'll probably be vivax.
On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote: I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue."
If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor.
This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake.
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
I’m inclined to agree
I disagree for what it is worth. The guy who gets lynched as blue regulary now claims it to be mayor.
Press x for doubt
So scum vivax is rolling the dice on the setup D1 for shits and giggles?
On March 05 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck no I’m not electing vivax He’s probably town though and he’ll self resolve
Like 4 people have said this now and I'm having a really hard time understanding people's reservations to have someone they believe is town as mayor, especially when that person has already offered the mayor kill to the town so the whole "vivax won't know who to kill" point is moot.
On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote: [quote] His running for mayor post
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
insincerity
As in he isn't really running for mayor
So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
Why are you fighting this so much? Do you have a better vote?
1. You call it fighting, I don't, it's called discussing. I don't have a townread on VE. I want to understand what he did that is considered scummy because I don't see it 2. And yeah, mine. I think ToTheStars has the highest chance of flipping scum if the deadline was right now
On March 05 2024 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 05 2024 05:06 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:54 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:53 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:52 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:44 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:43 Rels wrote: [quote] What post?
His running for mayor post
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
insincerity
As in he isn't really running for mayor
So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
A vote for VE is a vote for active town. Emphasis on word active.
I don't get it, please lay it out clearly. "Everyone should vote for VE so that he's pressured to actively play so that we can understand his alignement", is that what you're saying?
VE ran his mayor campaign on the basis of "A vote for VE is a vote for active town", yet he has done jack shit or is even pretending on doing jack shit.
I'm glad that someone pointed this out, I would be willing to vote VE as well as cake at this point because the lack of activity after promising to lynch a lurker is pretty bad.
On March 05 2024 05:24 Koshi wrote: I am on page 25 right now and I am not getting anything out of it anymore.
Oats posts too much to be lynched today. I don't enjoy reading his posts but that doesn't make him mafia. I think he deserves time to develop his play due to activity.
Copcake is unreadable. I don't feel like she is hiding though. I just don't get what she is thinking yet.
tfrel I will filter right now. He is also in my null pile with all these people but the most in hiding.
Slam is being slam. Not going to go further into that. He can stay alive, but if rayn kills him I won't be upset.
mebaby made bad posts and a couple sensible posts after that doesn't change that. She is in red territory but won't be lynched most likely because she is active enough. (shouldn't be lynched d1 in such a big game imo)
I fucking hate posts like this, way to not hard commit to any of those reads at all. I think I'm gonna have to filter Koshi when I'm done to take a closer look here bc the whole "I reread them and they're null/slight green/slight red and i dont wanna lynch them/let them live another day" drives me insane.
On March 05 2024 05:53 Koshi wrote: So I am on page 36 and I am going to call marv mafia. and I am calling sandroba & rayn dummies for pushing the marv is town shit into this thread with literally nothing to back it up.
Fuck your shit.
town!marv is very capable to play this game and get mayor. He would be a good mayor and this game could be easy and fun.
The shit you 3 are doing is horrible and against town wincon. I also play against town wincon on purpose in previous games and marv was the one complaining and saying I shouldn't do it.
Well he is doing just that.
Now what mafia!marv would do this is an entire other story. And a very believable one.
I also dislike sandroba. I probably like rayn but not enough to say he is for sure not mafia. But ok. I can work with him most likely.
OK this post counteracts the one I quoted from a couple of pages ago. I retract my wishy washy allegations. I'm probably gonna have to go back and carefully read all the whisperer discussion but at the very least Koshi is not guilty of being afraid to make big reads.
I'm gonna pause on giving my thoughts to the validity of the case at the moment bc I have a town read on sandroba so I need to read Marv's filter but I'm a lot more comfortable wish Koshi now.
On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote: I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum
Is he scum or frustrated by the mason circle and trying to force a case to justify his emotions?
On March 05 2024 07:58 DarthPunk wrote: The fact that vivax claimed when he did is arguably bad, but now that he HAS claimed, it is just worse to not make him NK immune by voting him for mayor.
otherwise he will just get NK this night, and we lose a confirmed town.
So someone explain to me why I am the idiot in this situation?
You know mayors can get lynched right bud
Are we lynching vivax marv?
You miss my point.
You elect a nut job who kills stupid people or makes stupid decision.
Or you elect someone v likely town who might actually hit mafia, and In case you elected mafia after all you can still lynch them later
What decision is the mayor making other than the extra kill which vivax already offered to the town?
On March 05 2024 02:32 iamperfection wrote: I'm inclined to think vivax has to be town. No scum claims like that. I strongly oppose any effort to make him mayor. He already has shown he willing to throw as town we aren't giving him power.
OK so you accept he's town but don't want a town mayor? He has one kill and then is a potentially confirmed townie who can't get NK'd? If you believe he's town it would be dumb not to make him mayor.
I don't think this is town aligned thinking, this is the kind of post scum would make who don't want a potentially confirmed town running around.
This is a softing scum read post, do you actually scum read iamp and why?
Standby on that I'm almost caught up. Several people made similar statements to iamp at the same time so I need to sort through those. I responded to iamp because it was the first one I saw when I was reading, I'll go back and read iamp again to figure out if that post alone is enough to scum read him bc I recall liking some of his posts early game.
On March 05 2024 04:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Fuck no I’m not electing vivax He’s probably town though and he’ll self resolve
Like 4 people have said this now and I'm having a really hard time understanding people's reservations to have someone they believe is town as mayor, especially when that person has already offered the mayor kill to the town so the whole "vivax won't know who to kill" point is moot.
Killing the second top vote getter isn’t “offering the vote to town”. I’m also not sure why it’s a problem that I have other town reads? And there is also opportunity cost voting vivax
Are you being intentionally obtuse? The second highest vote getter is the town's choice?
Would you prefer we ran a second vote for the mayor to lynch out of? Would that qualify as town choice for you? What is the opportunity cost of voting vivax?
Holy shit that took me like an hour and a half. The person who stood out the worst to me during the readthrough was copcake. I am also going to look at everyone who said "vivax town but I'm not voting him for reasons blah blah blah"
Sandroba probably my strongest townread at the moment aside from Vivax.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
So you're telling me you'd just yolo roll the dice as scum D1 and claim a role in hopes that town didn't have it in order to get.... the mayor who's only real advantage is the extra kill which you've already told them you're going to use as they direct anyway?
Is vivax so worried his scum play is bad that he needs the bodyguards from potential vigi shots? Walk me through the logic here.
Like we're not even talking a LYLO fake claim here where the last scum is trying to wiggle out of a lynch, we're talking a player claiming like halfway into D1 with no real pressure on him.
In addition to voting on a day 1 lynch, players will be voting for a Mayor. Prior to the end of day 1, the leading candidates for Mayor should pm me a name of their choosing to be killed alongside the day 1 lynch. If no name is sent in then nobody will be killed. After the election, 3 players will be randomized to become bodyguards. I will PM you if you become a bodyguard. The Mayor will be immune to KP (but still susceptible to lynch) until all town aligned bodyguards are killed.
I think mayor should not kill, right? on the first couple of days I mean.
Also I noticed there is a framer, holy shit, I have to step up my game because LOL, I would have loved to have beeeeennnn mafia in this game, so much beautifulness I could have done with a role like that in my teaaammmmmmm.
I absolutely hate this post, cake we have no idea if that role exists and it just seems like you're feeling a bit of pressure so you're already worrying about a potential red check.
Like nobody has discussed the possibility of a framer at all up until this point and you bring it up out of the blue.
On March 05 2024 04:03 CopCake wrote: I think that Vivax is angry because he claimed and he might lose mayor so he is going to die at night.
And if he doesnt die, then he fake claimed.
Because why would mafia lose an opportunity like that, right?
I don't like this post, this reads like a prelude to the scum team not killing vivax if he doesn't win mayor and then you waltz in D2 claiming "oh he must be scum bc scum would have killed a claimed blue."
If vivax loses mayor and doesn't die it's pure NK WIFOM at that point. Trying to pre stage a push on him suggests you know he's not gonna die if he's not mayor.
This is making me even more comfortable Vivax is town since I have a scum read on you rn cake.
Both of these come across as borderline TMI to me as well as prepping for a potential red check on her and a potential a mislynch on Vivax assuming he's town.
I can't figure out a townie mindset where someone would make these posts.
On March 05 2024 13:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Thinking about it more, that dmb list is terrible
why do you think that. had no reason to give reads and did so ? Why would mafia do that?
Can you post your reads please.
no im still working on them
Just give me what you got.
I don't care if you miss some people or whatever or there are no explanations.
Cause I literally don't know where you stand on people right now.
no. i dont know where i stand on a lot of people i have to think more. i only have easy ones now.
Iamp since you're around right now, do you know how many posts you've made that are longer than 2 lines? No cheating and checking, just give me your best guess. Second question, without looking how long do you think your filter is?
Last question, how would you say you've contributed to the town this game?
I'm not asking leading questions to just flat out call you scum, I'm just going over the people who called vivax town but said he shouldn't be mayor and I legit want to know what you think you've done to help scum hunt in your own words.
Reason: His play dropped off hard since start of day, he is being unreasonable about vivax as mayor despite providing no plausible alternatives, he refused to post reads.
Cake is still more scum but I agree that he hasn't contributed at all. I'm gonna look at Oats next on my list of people who called vivax town but said he shouldn't be mayor.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
Dude, make a case on me.
I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else.
On March 05 2024 13:46 iamperfection wrote: I have no idea what to make of DP voting me.
I have explained several times i dont want someone who already acted like an idiot to get the hands on a lynch. Say he does something stupid again what we have to just say oh well guess we just have to live with that hes "confirmed".
I have already said before that i think rayn is extremely likely to be town. I don’t think my logic is wrong. It would be insane to go as mafia to marv. Yes there is a tiny chance they are mafia together but I don’t think that is worth entertaining. I feel like only a few people have looked at this point and some have ignored it and im not sure why. He is one of the few ppl I think in the game with the balls to do it as mafia but I don’t think its likely. I have had some doubts about this but the more i think about i reach the same conclusion over and over again i don't think im wrong.
lmfao longest post you've made so far this game the second a whiff of pressure headed your way. Your issue with vivax holding the lynch is completely contrived at this point, he's going to lynch who we tell him to and if he doesn't we're gonna lynch him. It's not some nuclear weapon we're giving him and then he's just a confirmed (yes I fucking know it's not 100% but it's the best we can get for D1) townie with body guards who might be a blue and best case is pulling an RB his way each night and letting other blues work in peace.
On March 05 2024 01:27 Trfel wrote: Raynpelikoneet, why do you think iamperfection is town?
I kinda think the opposite. He's been throwing side comments without getting involved or invested.
I think he is completely and utterly useless as mafia, and too lazy to form almost any reasonable trains of thoughts. I don't see it being like that here. Just look at the game that got cancelled last year for reference.
Hm, maybe.... I don't really know his meta but his play feels decently scummy here. I guess I can think more about this.
I lost track, what do you think about CopCake?
I read over what DarthPunk was saying, I don't think it holds much water but I also don't really know CopCake's meta so who knows.
Why are you implying my cake read was a meta case when it wasn't.
This said the Cop case def wasn't meta.
On March 05 2024 09:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
This is a great post.
##vote: Oats
Not to make associations early but this would imply oats and CC are mafia together right? If so what's stronger the initial case that Cake is the mafia and oats is defending her or Oats being mafia and just flip flopping for no reason?
Still think it would make more sense from your perpsective to be voting cake.
Dude, make a case on me.
I made a case on you two pages ago and after you were mad at me for not addressing my issues with you, you didn't even bother with what I wrote which makes me inclined to believe you don't really have an answer since you seem very intent on defending yourself from everyone else.
you know cake tried to cheat right. what do you make of that.
Show me where cake tried to cheat. What does that say about her alignment to you? I'm very confused by this response.
On March 05 2024 14:00 iamperfection wrote: because i think it make cake town lol.
It's completely NAI and any attempt at discerning something like that is ridiculous. We can talk post game about rules for people who live with each other but I in no way think that constituted cheating or at least as an alignment tell for either player. Trying to interpret it in either direction is lazy at best and scummy at worst.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
How is he getting more power?
He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story.
Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken.
It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot.
The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town.
Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town.
Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
Idk who you are, but you won my heart with this post.
Do you think he is mafia?
No, I stopped to think you were but apparently you cant help but talk about me all the time. How dissapointing.
I expect town DP being able to focus on something else and be more level headed. You are just blending, not being bravado.
Example, koshi is bravado.
DP has, if I'm not mistaken, the largest filter in the game. This was my first issue with you all the way back 24 hours ago (lol) nothing about his play so far has blended in to me and the fact that you keep falling back on it suggests your read really hasn't evolved which I would have expected a townie to do at this point given that the thread directly contradicts your impression of his play.
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote: Why are you so obsessed with me?
Is this your auto response to pressure?
Ok sell me on Jacob.
On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
I voted to the stars Jacob thinks I am mafia Votes to the stars
He is voting for the scumread of his scumread.
Yeah I gathered that, is this different enough from the meta you referenced when you said he's acting out of character? Especially on D1 it's perfectly normal for people to have reads that don't perfectly align. He could think you were bussing, or more than likely he didn't even really notice your vote since you haven't really done much to advance your TTS read.
On March 04 2024 15:33 CopCake wrote: Why are you so obsessed with me?
Is this your auto response to pressure?
Ok sell me on Jacob.
On March 05 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Hmm I guess parking vote on TTS for now.
##Vote: ToTheStars
Dude you think I am mafia and you are literally voting for the same person I am lynching?
Please stop blending in peoples opinions about me and get to your own conclusions.
You are also another person out of character. The first game i read from you, you were funny. Here you are acting as if you were walking on toes trying not to make a sound.
I haven't played with him before and you say he's out of character. You voted TTS like 8 hours ago because he said he was going to survive late. I agree that JS's vote is really weak but is that enough for you to come off of TTS and essentially OMGUS JS? Just walk me through it bc I haven't played with him and I've got time and an open mind rn.
I obvs one game with him, he is a wild person that posts a lot of gay stuff.
The whole rayn/sandro/marv is a perfect scenario for his gay scenario fan fiction and is not happening.
I know that sounds stupid but it is REALLY how he posted that game as town.
Ok it sounds stupid yes but I can actually understand that reasoning more than your response to his vote on your lynch target.
I have to fly tomorrow so I need to go to bed now, activity will be spotty but I'll probably prioritize whatever is new in the thread rather than try to read every post until I get home.
I am very very interested in iamp's ultimate reads post he keeps talking about but for now I'm gonna stick with my vote on cake.
I'll have to save the oats deep dive for tomorrow afternoon.
On March 06 2024 08:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just finished debriefing, I'm still at work and can't catch up on 600 posts. Can a couple of people please summarize what's happened?
Palmar mafia, palmar maybe not mafia. Jat and Trfel maybe mafia
Marv looking sexy in Speedos
Breezing through the voting thread it looks like JAT and Trfel are the options, I see a couple of my town reads on Trfel but I had him as town very early on. If nobody can give me a convincing reason why JAT is town I'm probably gonna vote him as I don't recall being impressed by anything he posted up through last night.
Still trying to get through shit at work but I'll check my phone until the deadline.
I'm almost ready to leave work and will read the rest of what I missed but I still would love a summary on why trfel/why jat. The amount of catching up I have is gonna take a while.
On March 06 2024 09:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm almost ready to leave work and will read the rest of what I missed but I still would love a summary on why trfel/why jat. The amount of catching up I have is gonna take a while.
I'm completely going off of the vibes I got from skimming the last 10 pages or so but a lot of people seem to be scumreading Trfel based on meta correct? I don't remember playing with him any time recently so I don't think pure meta is going to be enough for me on this lynch. I am going to read JAT's filter next since I'm still unsure the case on him although if I had to guess I be it boils down to being useless bc that's what I picked up last night.
On March 06 2024 11:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just got home, ty to the people who have linked catch up posts.
Why is your vote solo till I point it out? Shit timing?
I mean, it could be.
Bro read my fucking filter, I've had a shit day and I'm barely keeping up with this game rn. I made my vote 24 hours ago and will not be solo voting by EOD. I'm just not going to get shanghai'd into voting for someone I haven't even read.
This is a rough post but I am going to put my vote on JAT before I read Trfel. My problem isn't with how he responded to the vivax mayor stuff, in fact he does a better job than some people did at articulating his concerns, my problem comes with his "POE scum list" and how easily that rolled into a Trfel vote for self preservation.
I used to love post by post analysis reads but now I hate them, however given the situation this is how I’m rolling with JAT. Two piles, love or hate. Let’s read.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
Probably because you want to make vivax mayor. Which is insane imo we have someone who already made a terrible decision and you want to give said person more power. He probably thinks your smarter then that and concluded you must be mafia to not see that.
How is he getting more power?
He is just immune to night kill, if he was getting a double vote for the rest of the game that is a different story.
Having our jailkeeper with night kill immunity is really fucking powerful, at worst it soaks a rb for the rest of the game, at best it is just literally broken.
It puts mafia in all sorts of uncomfortable positions where they are fucked if the RB gets lynched or shot.
The vig shot or whatever can be negotiated, but I don't think vivax is bad as town regardless, and he is basically confirmed town.
Why would I roll the dice on anyone who is NOT confirmed town.
Rayn, marv and sandro are NOT confirmed town.
Lets be real here for a second. Vivax is also not confirmed town.
Wrong.
CC me or go away
Nobody will CC you on day1 if you have fakeclaimed (if we even have a Jailkeeper in that case). Not unless it looks like you are actually being elected and even then I am unsure if that would be the correct play.
This is probably the only decent counter argument to the Vivax mayor thing, even if I disagree with it, he’s at least thinking and not just going REEE bc he hate Vivax’s claim
On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote: JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
Is that still all you have on me, sandro? I think I explained all I have done here more than sufficiently. Unlike you, I think the mayor vote is quite important. I post the same thing to you as I did to Rayn - what am I supposed to do about it at this point? The post you quote is not disinterested or complacent. It is rather resignating/annoyed. Of course I do not have very good reasoning for Vivax being mafia - I never even called him mafia in the first place. I just don't agree that the claim makes him confirmed town or even more likely town than Koshi.
I think that your characterization does not fit my play at all.
I think this is a reasonable response to sandroba, I don’t think he’s right with his reasoning but I can see where he’s coming from.
Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town.
Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process.
No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor.
They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection.
It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain.
I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you....
I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2).
So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough
Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)?
The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv.
Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always.
So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick.
But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome.
I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever.
I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure.
If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume.
They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now?
Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role.
Do you want our bluerole shot on N?
Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate.
out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player.
Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim.
On March 05 2024 07:46 DarthPunk wrote: Does anyone know why rayn thinks I am mafia?
The arrogance of the mason buddies knows no limit. Better not question them and just obey.
Their disdain for the common man is indeed outrageous. How dare they treat us this way.
Weird to even sarcastically agree with this after you already said you liked their town circle
On March 06 2024 02:36 justanothertownie wrote: Would have to PoE at this point. Probably someone in this pool:
Trfel Jealous MZ JS Hapa TTS VE Slam
Would have to narrow it down somehow.
Not meant as an OMGUS here but this is a super easy post for scum to make since he pretty much called out the lukers and slam. Sandroba actually calls this oout
There's not much new in Trfel's filter I haven't already read:
On March 06 2024 06:33 Trfel wrote: My apologies, I don't have time to play today. I'll try and catch up later tonight or tomorrow.
Voting for Vivax and Palmar, I don't particularly know why, I'll try and check in to see if I need to switch votes. If I get lynched so be it.
I saw a few votes for palmar in the voting thread but I haven't dove deep into the parts of the game I missed today yet, what's wrong with his play so far? I was getting faint town vibes from him from what I've seen.
On March 06 2024 11:56 Vivax wrote: Oats and MZ might as well opt to save Hapa with that reasoning
Maybe I am letting my early read of Trfel cloud my judgment here but I don't think I'm wrong. I have had maybe 45 total minutes to try and figure out what the fuck is going on and JAT did not impress when picking between the two.
That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
Actually the more I think about this vote the more I hate it, consolidating is when you move from your fringe candidate onto a viable lynch option, not when the candidate you are voting for gets more votes lol.
On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote: In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration.
You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town.
I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping.
And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel.
You saying this is unfair. And a bad player.
You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ?
lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline.
On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
agree this looks bad.
I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night.
So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not.
Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle
So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
agree this looks bad.
I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night.
So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not.
Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle
So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
Dude you're literally making stuff up after the fact to defend your vote
On March 06 2024 12:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's really frustrating. I'm curious why JS moved his vote onto Trfel after I voted for JAT.
On March 06 2024 11:54 JacobStrangelove wrote: Huh with two moving to Jat... I'll consolodate with my more town reads on triffle also triffle not having any town reads.
unvote
vote trefl
This is not great reasoning especially when you were already voting JAT...
Like there were two wagons, it wasn't like you were Sandroba who consolidated off of DMB.
agree this looks bad.
I agree too but I don't mind looking bad at night.
So the people on JAT when the dust settles are Palmer who is looking more town but still kinda has shade on him, meat baby which I like, Trfel which is ehh, Rels who is kinda null MZ who is slightly sus and oats which has ping ponged sus and not.
Where as the people on trfel are Iampef who is a mild town read, dp who's a town read, Vivax who's a strong town read, Sandro who's a town read, Koshi who's a town read, ve who's kinda a scum read but also known to be read as scum when town. then marv who I've gone back to neutral on and slam who's a town read. JAT is ehh same as trifle
So rather than form your own opinions you're just gonna sheep random people you're currently townreading or whatever fits the vibe? Also Sandroba switched his vote after you wtf, he's not one of the reasons you switched.
Oh good point, re sand I don't remember exactly when people switched.
On March 06 2024 14:13 JacobStrangelove wrote: So this is how day one kinda went in my mind. At least the broad strokes. Unironically I do find this type of posting helps me keep track of what's going on.
Day One in the Grackaroni Estate….
Master Oats walks into the great hall, he bumps into Governor JSL who’s just arrived last night from the States “My word you look like a proper Rascal” Says Oats, Governor JSL Promptly ignores him and goes hunting for fox’s in the morning dew.
A carriage arrives and Earl Trfel gets out, he comes in pleasantly greeting everyone and being suspiciously nice. Lord Koshi comments that he might be looking for a piece of the inheritance and is not to be trusted.
Meanwhile…. On the second floor Sir Ray grabs Vicount Marv and pulls him into a closet. “I’ve been waiting for you… every eve without you my heart grows ever fonder.” “We can’t talk like this! What if we are seen!” Exclaims Marv “I care not let the whole world hear my passion for you… but only in the closet and secretly…” Marv says “my rear is yours my love but you know I enjoy the warmth of a woman” and pushes on the edge of the closet and grabs a waiting Sandroba who had followed the Vicounts messages to the closet. “Countess! You’re here with Marv as well! I didn’t know he was such a polygamist but I am eager to share him”
Marv, Sandwiched between the the countess and Sir Ray experiences new heights of pleasure and is not seen on the dance floor all night.
Meanwhile downstairs Lord Punk Demands to dance with Duchess Cake, He doesn’t approve of her feminine whiles and thinks she’s hiding something. The duchess refuses, shock ripples throughout the crowd such a snub is unheard of in polite society why pray tell would she not simply dance with him and be done with it?
Governor Strangelove decides this rudeness should not go uncommitted and she lashes out at him and makes mean comments about the recent war.
All of a sudden Undertaker Vixax BURSTS INTO THE SCENE SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER! RANTS ABOUT HAVING THE KEYS TO THE CRYPT AND HOW HE CAN KEEP YOU SAFE IF HE LOCKS YOU IN THERE! The party is instantly in disarray.
Colonel Stars pokes his head into the ballroom goes hmmm then disappears. Count Viscera says “What’s there to be scared of I always look scary it’s okay”
Sir Ray pokes his head out of the closet and says don’t listen to him but in doing so falls out and pulls Marv and Sandro with him. Lord Koshi Screams I KNEW YOU WERE ALL IN THERE SCHEMING, and Duke Ziphh backs him up with sassy dance moves. Marquess Palmer pipes up and says we should listen to the undertaker but then grabs a dance card. For the rest of the night he refuses all dances. LT Alakaslam puts on his detective coat and hat and says I used to be a Police officer once and starts investigating the ladies dresses for clues. Everyone ignores him.
Butler Jealous and Maid Hapahauli are nowhere to be seen the food hasn’t been brought out the the guests are getting hungry.
Suddenly Lady Meatbaby arrives. The crowd falls over themselves to dance with her. She says I’ll dance with you as long as you don’t think me a whore. After the first dance Master Oats calls her a whore.
Officer Rels arrives to talk to the Undertaker about all this murder stuff and says some calming words.
Reverend Perfection has some words for the polygamist trio and has a few comments on the debauchery of the party in general.
Lord Koshi bursts back in and gathers a group around in a hush. There’s a conspiracy afoot! Sir Ray and his bisexual puppet are in on it, Lady Cake gasps. Gov Strangelove listens closer. “I can buy it yankeedoodle what’s the stitch?”
“Sir Ray is not having fun, he’s just going through the motions fucking The Viscount without enjoying the sex, I think he’s depressed as his evil conspiracy isn’t going well.” “GOD DAMN WE NEED THE POLICE HERE IF ONLY WE HAD A COP” “I’m a cop says slam quietly in the background”
Suddenly The Marquess (Palmer) asks The Viscount to a dance (Marv) They do a combination of the cha cha and the boogie which is quite odd for 1798 but at least there’s movement on the dance floor.
Lord Punk busts in overwhelmed with tears, The dancing from the Marquess is so beautiful he is overcome and grabs the Earl bends him over and vigorously fucks him in the ass. The Gov (JSL) and the Undertaker (Vivax) decide to join him in Love making as the Earl gets triple penetrated.
Justice Townie sneers and says “You’d never do that to me” Lord DP says “Try me and immediately abandons the Earl in favour of sex with the judge the three way moves on and even Palmer joins in temporarily before hate kissing Marv again.
The Reverend Perfection horrified by all the open sex tries to send a letter back to the clergy for advice but his paper stops holding ink and he is no longer able to write.
Out of nowhere the Butler Jealous bursts in with food. It’s Glorious it’s plentiful, it’s well cooked! (but not to everyone’s taste) In fact it does make some weird culinary decisions but immediately all is forgiven.
MasterOats turning turned to Lady Meat and said “Thou stillith the most whoreish here”
In the end of the day everyone eventually decides all civility is lost and the Earl passes out from exhaustion never to be seen again and The Maid Hapahauli is fired for not cleaning by the undertaker.
Definitely lynching you tomorrow.
I've made it through like half of what I missed, I'll do the rest tomorrow. I need to sleep.
On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world.
On March 07 2024 01:07 justanothertownie wrote: But I will say everyone who is actually invested in this game right now gets some bonus point from me when compared to the MZs, Rels, VEs & TTS of this world.
Calling yourself invested is a great joke
Are you caught up or just casually butting in with this gem? Because if you are caught up this post is ridiculous.
I am trying to read along at work. If you don't like my characterization of your play then do something that doesn't result in you being the #2 lynch target.
OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him TTS for also completely fucking off Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group. JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are: Sandroba Vivax DP Koshi
On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him TTS for also completely fucking off Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group. JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are: Sandroba Vivax DP Koshi
I mean, this is so close to being my own list that it's kinda eerie. A few names are missing a few I'd move - Marv and JAT to neutral at worst IMO - but that's about it.
Like I said to rayn, this doesn't necessarily make me think that you're town for this, though.
Yeah I could easily swap out JAT if I find a stronger case in someone like DMB. I hated coming back to the D1 lynch with such little time to decide and JAT just looked worse than trfel to me and trfel had interacted with me in the beginning.
I think I'm a little more certain of marv based on some meta stuff from my last game where he was scum. I'd rather focus on JSL or TTS/VE for tomorrow and worry about Marv D3 bc if he makes it that long I'm gonna have a lot more questions.
On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous?
Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them.
What's your take on rayn if you have one btw?
See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard.
Tbh I completely forgot about Rels lol, maybe that's also worth looking into.
My opinion of rayn is that he calls me scum every game and I hate the way he approaches the game lol. The worst thing he's done imo is go after palmar but I could see him doing that as town. I also don't see a world where the scum masons just mason each other, if they did and win the game then hats off to them. So that's a lot of words to say I have a null read on him
On March 06 2024 13:42 CopCake wrote: I came with some conclusions
Town: Koshi Slam Rels Marv MZ Oats
Feels town VE
Mafia DP Iamp Vivax
The rest are wild cards
I disagree with this enough for it to be town
What is wrong with it sweet pie?
I’d be shocked if iamp or Vivax are mafia. Wouldn’t be shocked by DP but I don’t think so either
What about my town pile?
I’m not sure about Rels or MZ.
I think Rels felt genuine and interested, i think he could have easily blended with people if he was mafia.
You think he’s had an impact?
WTF is this standard? When is the last time I've had an impact D1? I hate those Fuck this is annoying me. I feel like I'm being set up as the next lynch. Sick daughter, maybe getting laid off so I have a bunch of interviews coming up for which I have to prepare, but I have the feeling I'll have to devote my evenings to analyze the game and the days to scream at people like in the old days just to not be the default lynch
I have some thoughts on this topic I'd love to discuss with everyone post game.
On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous?
Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them.
What's your take on rayn if you have one btw?
See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard.
I think she did say something but only something minor after your case. Which I'll actually probably have to convince you I'm town later now that I went back through trifel and he thought you were town.
I'm not concerned right now though I want to see if anyone else bites and if so how they do it.
Jacob you seem like a nice guy and I'd enjoy playing with you if I thought you were town but honestly man, the way you sheep here is really bothering me. In particular the bolded part. You've been putting soft pressure my way for a while but now that you realize the flipped town called me green you're waffling on it (also timely that jealous said he agreed with a lot of my reads). Your lynch vote you claim was based on voting with players you thought were town so you came off the dude who you had previously wanted dead.
It just feels like you want to be on the "right side" of whatever the current thread sentiment is.
On March 07 2024 11:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Who is missing off my list in your opinion jealous?
Maybe Rels, more likely CopCake IMO, and I wouldn't have minded to see someone else put rayn on there so I could bounce ideas off of them.
What's your take on rayn if you have one btw?
See this is why I really wanted to hear her take on JSL because she was the one who initially got me looking his way and the comment she made about his meta was such a townie way of thinking it made me reevaluate her. I also don't see her trying to bus JSL although to be fair she hasn't gone after him very hard.
I think she did say something but only something minor after your case. Which I'll actually probably have to convince you I'm town later now that I went back through trifel and he thought you were town.
I'm not concerned right now though I want to see if anyone else bites and if so how they do it.
Jacob you seem like a nice guy and I'd enjoy playing with you if I thought you were town but honestly man, the way you sheep here is really bothering me. In particular the bolded part. You've been putting soft pressure my way for a while but now that you realize the flipped town called me green you're waffling on it (also timely that jealous said he agreed with a lot of my reads). Your lynch vote you claim was based on voting with players you thought were town so you came off the dude who you had previously wanted dead.
It just feels like you want to be on the "right side" of whatever the current thread sentiment is.
Oh I previously wanted them both dead so there was no love lost on which one I was voting for. I was just seeing a counterwagon very quickly 4 votes and was paranoid about the scum team voting to save their teammate. in hindsight isn't the case but that was the reasoning at the time.
That's literally not the reason you gave when you made your vote
On March 07 2024 12:24 DarthPunk wrote: ANNOUNCEMENT TOWN
I have been given a Vig shot in the night.
I intend to VIG TTS.
whoa whoa whoa so we allegedly have 4 blues. 3 really strong ones and one weak one ?
Is gunsmith that weak>
So you aren't scared of a rollblocker? I guess jailkeeper is still alive... not sure why you wouldn't keep that quiet until night.
YES I KNOW I FORGOT ABOUT A ROLEBLOCKER
I'm over here facepalming. Although that does seem like a town move to make.
Okay thoughts town should gunsmith claim now? No reason not to right?
DP getting it points at you already.
Yeah okay, initially I was giving it to Koshi but then I started reading Koshi's filter hence my random flip on Koshi out of nowhere when I saw the scum slip.
I then thought probably DP because Rayn or Sand are the most town to most of town and most likely to be killed (although I had a pm open with give gun to ray ready to go as I was trying to snipe DP's post to know if I SHOULD give it to him or not)
Also backed up by DP talking a lot about what he wanted VIG to do and thus if he did something cray I could pin it on him later.
and yeah it's one shot gunsmith clarified with Grack..
Now if this isn't clearly enough proof I'm gun smith just from game state. I breadcrumbed initially giving gun to Koshi in the gay thread. well not like breakcrumbed breadcrumbed but implied I was all in on his conspiracy plan (the one AMERICAN of the classy group who HUNTED FOX's) Then if you noticed all my talk about how many blues are there after jack of all trades died. then my talk before the night ended concerned more with finding the most town person to give gun to rather than scum hunting.
Well it sounds like I need to rethink my scumread of you unless you and one of my best townreads in DP are making a turboscum play with a mafia vigilante type role. But still it relies on you going unCC'd which as I've said ad nauseum at this point is so dumb I'm not going to entertain it in this situation.
On March 07 2024 12:49 JacobStrangelove wrote: Also MZ Fair I looked scummy I see that but now I've claimed Gunsmith any other thoughts on your top read aside from oats?
Probably just going to the next on the list to VE at the moment, nothing he's posted in the last hour or so has done anything to change my mind on him and if not it's gotten worse imo.
On March 07 2024 12:40 iamperfection wrote: Oats your mission should you choose to accept it is to spew as much towness as possible this cycle. Then we can lynch VE if not i salute you my friend.
In this thread inferior player iamp tries to use the last of his activity clout to get superior scum hunter VE lynched or of spite. Sad.
@JSL like this post sounds like resigned scum who doesn't have much to talk about and is watching one of their team members go down to a red check.
On March 07 2024 13:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Copcake is there a realm in your mind in which both Slam and Oats are scum or Slam is scum and for some reason trying to go for a 1for1 trade?
No
Ok so talk me through your issues with slam then, why are you going after him right now of all times?
On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me
God damn it, he is good, he has me wifoming myself to death. I am almost considering unvote
And then copcake starts pouring on the pressure. Like the only way Oats survives the day if he's scum is if his team can somehow get people to doubt the check. It doesn't matter the reasons for the doubt but enough people overthink a red check, oats could wiggle out.
On March 07 2024 12:26 JacobStrangelove wrote: [quote]
So you aren't scared of a rollblocker? I guess jailkeeper is still alive... not sure why you wouldn't keep that quiet until night.
YES I KNOW I FORGOT ABOUT A ROLEBLOCKER
I'm over here facepalming. Although that does seem like a town move to make.
Okay thoughts town should gunsmith claim now? No reason not to right?
Fuck no
They can give more guns away
Btw baby boy, why did you pick Oats of all people?
Because I was 99% I'mma be dead
Might as well know whether the pedantic stuff was real or not before I go to obs. I was expecting to banter with Grack about "I don't wanna be spoiled except Oats alignment so I can troll obs" but
Well
Here I am
Where was Oats Pedantic?
Hijole
You know what pedantic means, I presume?
Oats was pedantic with regard to YOU
🤣
I dont think he was 🤔 I would have gotten mad otherwise.
Ie. I found jelaous more pedantic.
I would assume you would go for someone like rayn, but it makes sense that if you were about to die you picked Oats.
I would assume it also makes sense for mafia Oats to kill rayn.
If mafia, for some reason assumed you were cop, they would believe you would visit someone else so i think oats is not framed.
Miller? Idk if it would be balanced to have framer and miller in the same game.
On March 07 2024 13:54 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: It bothers me that slam makes this post
On March 07 2024 13:20 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 07 2024 12:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2024 12:41 DarthPunk wrote: why did mafia not shoot slam, or even roleblock him?
My current hypothesis is they have a framer and felt good about him checking me
God damn it, he is good, he has me wifoming myself to death. I am almost considering unvote
And then copcake starts pouring on the pressure. Like the only way Oats survives the day if he's scum is if his team can somehow get people to doubt the check. It doesn't matter the reasons for the doubt but enough people overthink a red check, oats could wiggle out.
I ask those questions to clear every possible scenario. But Slam/Oats mafia together is not happening.
Slam’s choice of Oats seemed weird but I liked Slam’s answer.
It makes sense and fits his persona. (Even tho I dont think Oats was being pedantic)
Besides Slam doing whole “i am a lying cop” doesnt fit his personality either.
Then why are you having this conversation. This is really a pretty binary situation, we lynch oats. He flips miller/scum. We move on. He flips town, we have a discussion on D3 that you're trying to have right now. This theorycrafting you're doing is unproductive and gives a red check (WHO IS STATISTICALLY MOST LIKELY SCUM) a chance to escape. Before the NK, there are 19 people left, I'm bad at math so I used an internet calculator and maybe I set the equation up wrong but the probability of slam checking someone AND the probability of them being framed/the miller is 0.025% + Show Spoiler +
(I think that's a %, I'm ready to get flamed by people who actually do math to tell me I'm wrong).
On March 07 2024 14:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Okay that mz post just triggered me so hard like what in the actual fuck was that.
I admit it's a pretty gross mathematical error at best...
I still think it is closer to 1 in 40 though because the percentages don't stack. It isn't so much math as it is statistics. Which is a related, but different field.
I'm flying today again so I'll be out of pocket for 10ish hours like last time. Palmar never responded to me which tbh I was kinda afraid would happen (and I think is NAI) but I was hoping a chat with him would solidify my town read of him and we could work through some of the players I'm having a harder time with.
Probably should have masoned someone in my own timezone but oh well, didn't really consider that.
On March 07 2024 06:11 Koshi wrote: Oats is town for the scumslip thing on Cake. In addition I like how he didn't vote Tfrel when iamp and DP went for him. Vivax is so town for keeping up with the thread. And he saw the same rage after flip from CC as I did. big oooooffff on iamp replying to tfrel on the mental health issues. That can't come from mafia iamp. Copcake seems genuine upset after the lynch. Solidifies my townread on her. Also her scumreads are people who will be killed in the next 2 nights. It will be glorious to see her posts on D3. JAT made a scumcase on my 2 scums. Good stuff.
Town!MZ would have been angered by the 2 townflips. His first post after the lynch is 2 pages further and starts with lmfo. He is a prime candidate for mafia. Rels posts read uninterested. Good case from JAT on Rels.
I'm taking it your scum read is here, bc you didn't like the way I reacted to the lynch? I was extremely frustrated with people lynching someone I had a townread on and also frustrated that I've spent most of the game playing catchup on the thread.
I feel like every time I've pointed out stuff that I view is scummy, nobody responds and when I ask people direct questions they just blow me off, Palmar not responding to the whisper is kinda the cherry on top. If you're gonna try to lynch me instead of a literal red check because I said lmfao in a post then I don't think I have anything productive to say to you to change your mind. It feels like the folks who have filtered me only do so bc they want confirmation to their assumption that I'm scum.
On March 07 2024 22:37 Koshi wrote: Still havznt reread Oats. But lynching somebody who seems townie is retarded.
Mafia needs to rb Vivax. So they cant keep slam alive.
Why cant we lynch MZ today?
Oats can be alive as long as we want. Is the traitor a redcheck before recruited? Because that would also make sense.
I like your contrarian position. I will be your devil‘s advocate. But why MZ ?
I also havent read MZ or thought of a case beyond. "He typed lmao after the 2 town flips during n1" It's a bit more nuanced but not really.
I just dont understand why we are lynching a townread. Framer, miller or slam is lying (maybe not that)
Be better than this Koshi. That's an objectively terrible case to lynch me on instead of a red check. If you were arguing for someone like VE I'd still say you're wrong because the chance this check is wrong is so low. Even if it wasn't me you're scum reading I'd still say this is bad.
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
On March 07 2024 22:37 Koshi wrote: Still havznt reread Oats. But lynching somebody who seems townie is retarded.
Mafia needs to rb Vivax. So they cant keep slam alive.
Why cant we lynch MZ today?
Oats can be alive as long as we want. Is the traitor a redcheck before recruited? Because that would also make sense.
I like your contrarian position. I will be your devil‘s advocate. But why MZ ?
I also havent read MZ or thought of a case beyond. "He typed lmao after the 2 town flips during n1" It's a bit more nuanced but not really.
I just dont understand why we are lynching a townread. Framer, miller or slam is lying (maybe not that)
Be better than this Koshi. That's an objectively terrible case to lynch me on instead of a red check. If you were arguing for someone like VE I'd still say you're wrong because the chance this check is wrong is so low. Even if it wasn't me you're scum reading I'd still say this is bad.
Yes obviously it is terrible. But is it wrong?
Yes it's wrong and made worse by the fact that Oats also came after me. Especially if VE is scum along with TTS it seems as if a lot of the scum team is out in the open at this point so I could easily see a bold play to try and save oats/save the game for the scum. I just didn't expect you to be part of it.
I'm not straight up scum reading you for this but I'm having a hard time finding the town motives for this.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
What Oats does today is entirely WIFOM if he is mafia.
I know which is why I wasn't even gonna bother saying anything until Koshi showed up with the same stuff.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
If that last line is true. I must look very scummy in your eyes.
I mean the Oats case is pure wifom if he's scum as JAT pointed out but yes, that pinged me right away that the first thing you do when you show up is suggest a lynch on me.
On March 07 2024 23:05 Koshi wrote: Ok. So we believe slam is town?
Dude please just read the thread from the flips until now. The only chance scum slam is doing this is if he's going for a 1for1 which as we already established during the mayor vote for vivax is an objectively bad enough play for scum and that occams razor says slam is town.
The thread had a fairly similar discussion on this with copcake last night.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
They might or might not depending on the team. But I think grilling slam and sowing doubt on the check is the wrong thing to do this cycle. We could instead be discussing VE or TTS or even yourself and be planning ahead for tomorrow rather than losing this day to what is essentially WIFOM discussion about the check. I think it's easier for scum to just chum up the thread with pointless discussion on whether Slam's check is good or not. Scum don't even have to get Oats out of the check to have a succesful day, just spend it wasting time on pointless discussion rather than other potential scum.
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
On March 07 2024 23:46 Koshi wrote: I dont want to waste this day because I might have not many left. But I admit my posts here are trash. Ok. I will think and come back with something better.
MZ not sure why you want to shade me for thinking and talking during this dead period.
It's not the fact that you're thinking and talking, it's the topic you chose to talk about. If slam somehow flips town tomorrow is gonna be a total shit show but given that he's most likely not we can use this day to effectively plan for tomorrow and then adjust as required with the NKs.
There is a lot of uncertainty right now in my eyes with people like Copcake/DMB/JAT/Marv they would be better topics. We could also discuss VE a bit more, while I'm pretty sold he's lurking scum, some folks may still have him as town so we could be fleshing that out.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
On March 07 2024 23:46 Koshi wrote: I dont want to waste this day because I might have not many left. But I admit my posts here are trash. Ok. I will think and come back with something better.
MZ not sure why you want to shade me for thinking and talking during this dead period.
turned into this
On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote: I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats. Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches. They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels MZ VE Jacob Palmar
I wasnt shading you from talking, i was shading you for leading us away form a fucking red check and now people are seriously considering this. I had you as a fucking lean town, why are you the one instigating this shit. funny how DP thinks he runs the thread.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point.
Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip.
Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Who is the everyone? And why are they mafia?
You probaly for starters even though you're somehow the onlyperson to make general sense this last 12 hours. Everyone is koshi/vivax/marv/copcak/anyone not willing to lynch you. this shit is literally what I was talking about this morning and I come back and its exactly what happened.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point.
Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip.
Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts
That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't?
I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/
I literally talked about this exact thing this morning.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Who is the everyone? And why are they mafia?
You probaly for starters even though you're somehow the onlyperson to make general sense this last 12 hours. Everyone is koshi/vivax/marv/copcak/anyone not willing to lynch you. this shit is literally what I was talking about this morning and I come back and its exactly what happened.
As you said, they can’t all be mafia so..
I know thats why Im fucking annoyed with vivax and koshi because they were town reads and now theyre pulling this shit
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point.
Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip.
Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts
That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't?
I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/
I literally talked about this exact thing this morning.
Again:
Why is it worth pointing out for you that marv expects scum autopilot on oats but you find many not doing that? Either that means marv is scum for you or the others aren't, and you aren't walking anyone through your reasoning.
Its not that marv "expects" scum to autopilot oats, its that he opens up the avenue for people to go somewhere else and be townread for it bc "obviosuly scum are autopilot on oats so people questioning must be town"
People questiong are dumb and all think they know better than what we established last night after my bad math was like a 90% chance of him being sucm.
I already had my suspicions of marv so this is only fueling those.
On March 08 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote: I'll just assume MZ tripped and faceplanted on the last page with that enthusiasm about something only mafia can see.
what, you mean the red check that the whole town can see and some people have decided to ignore a 90% chance because their egos make them think theyre better?
On March 08 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote: I'll just assume MZ tripped and faceplanted on the last page with that enthusiasm about something only mafia can see.
what, you mean the red check that the whole town can see and some people have decided to ignore a 90% chance because their egos make them think theyre better?
You just called them mafia for doing it so why is big egos the driver unless they're town?
That the thing, they cant all be scum. Koshi is making this game very hard for me to read rn. Im at least still convinced you're town so I'm hoping at some point you see what I'm trying to say.
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
On March 08 2024 11:13 Vivax wrote: I'll just assume MZ tripped and faceplanted on the last page with that enthusiasm about something only mafia can see.
what, you mean the red check that the whole town can see and some people have decided to ignore a 90% chance because their egos make them think theyre better?
You just called them mafia for doing it so why is big egos the driver unless they're town?
That the thing, they cant all be scum. Koshi is making this game very hard for me to read rn. Im at least still convinced you're town so I'm hoping at some point you see what I'm trying to say.
And copcake?
She started it all tbh but I've flip flopped on her as scum/town severeal times so its easier for me to see her trying something as scum. koshi was straight out of left field.
look vivax Im ngl, oats has made posts that if he made them 48 hours ago Id def townread him too, but I don't think Im better at reading the game than the probability of events that had to occur for him to somehow be checked wrong. Like I do get why you don't wanna lynch him but its still the right move.
On March 08 2024 11:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I've flip flopped on her as scum/town severeal times so its easier for me to see her trying something as scum.
lol
Am I wrong in either my characterization of my play or her play? I really thought she might have been on to somehting with JSL the other night and I didn't want to get too tunneled. But its hard to ignore whats happened today.
On March 08 2024 11:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I've flip flopped on her as scum/town severeal times so its easier for me to see her trying something as scum.
lol
Am I wrong in either my characterization of my play or her play? I really thought she might have been on to somehting with JSL the other night and I didn't want to get too tunneled. But its hard to ignore whats happened today.
I mean you just left her out when you mentioned me and Koshi and afterwards you think she's scum just because you have been unsure on her alignment before.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Who is the everyone? And why are they mafia?
You probaly for starters even though you're somehow the onlyperson to make general sense this last 12 hours. Everyone is koshi/vivax/marv/copcak/anyone not willing to lynch you. this shit is literally what I was talking about this morning and I come back and its exactly what happened.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Who is the everyone? And why are they mafia?
You probaly for starters even though you're somehow the onlyperson to make general sense this last 12 hours. Everyone is koshi/vivax/marv/copcak/anyone not willing to lynch you. this shit is literally what I was talking about this morning and I come back and its exactly what happened.
As you said, they can’t all be mafia so..
I know thats why Im fucking annoyed with vivax and koshi because they were town reads and now theyre pulling this shit
Or here? Bc here I specifically state im annoyed with you guys bc you guys were/are my townreads. idk about ksohi anymore.
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Given the non-voter list rn, I'm not convinced scum is just gonna roll with the red check and move on. I still think there's a chance we see someone try and make #bigplays today which is why I'm so against having this continued discussion on the slam check. Especially since there are people who have called it a good lynch and then not voted for it.
Wow, called this shit out 11 hours ago.
You ever gonna tell us who the someone is? It ain’t koshi he ain’t posting shit right now
On March 08 2024 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m fully expecting mafia to skate by today on the “it’s oats let’s pick this up day 3” and waste today
Want to vote tts?
This is the first one, idk how I missed this
On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote: I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats. Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches. They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
Rels MZ VE Jacob Palmar
This one was the one I first noticed, maybe bc he said my name lmao
On March 08 2024 07:22 Vivax wrote: I honestly have a really good argument for why Oats isn‘t mafia actually. But it requires you to believe he‘d be good enough to think about it.
Vivax doing it
On March 08 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote: I‘m actually not going to vote him.
Bc of the lack of a bodyguard claim? I don’t understand it but I think youre town still so w/e
On March 08 2024 07:23 Vivax wrote: If Oats was mafia he could claim bodyguard. That‘d make it easier to survive the check and pulls more info for scum if they can‘t stop the lynch.
????? Claiming bodyguard is meaningless.
Even perfection disagrees and he was the one who stared this mess
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
Ok I don’t hate the read but I ahte the vote Perfection and DP agree
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
I’ve alluded to most of it. Rayn discord was quite quiet, the main highlight was seeing a pic from artanis’ wedding and being made to guess who is who. And talking him down off Copcake which I may or may not regret.
Sandro discord was very active. We talked about palmar, MZ, Rels, JSL (I got excited about sandro’s read but the claim seems to have scotched that). Sandro thought Koshi was very town as he aligned with him on a bunch of stuff. We talked about MZ, specifically the posts at the end of his first page of filter and the first page of 2nd filter. Sandro had said he wrote MZ off as town for a while after that. We sort of concluded it would be a ballsy scumplay but that MZ could make it. We also talked about MZ stance on town deciding the mayor lynch, sandro talked about how it was quite an old school view what MZ said about it and we left it there.
We both thought VE was scummy.
I asked sandro to talk palmar off of rayn if sandro was alive. Obviously that sort of resolved itself. And I am aware that makes it sound like I think palmar is town, but it’s more complicated than that. The act of sandro talking to palmar would have been revealing.
Jealous town, CC town.
So if we ignore Oats you‘d want to do VE or MZ today ? Do you think it‘s a good idea to follow the redcheck when Oats is still looking townie?
I would have voted VE.
The oats thing is mathematical. If you read him as over 90% town, great. Over 90 is a very high threshold though. I’m actually a very hedgy townie unless I’m super sure.
I just don’t know that it’s the right play to not lynch oats even though my personal read is town.
Hold marv to this one if the vote is for VE tomorrow and he doesn’t get onboard. Whats funny about this post is that marv also decides to do the thing he said scum would do and just go along with the oats lynch.
On March 08 2024 10:18 Vivax wrote: Jat, Koshi, Ve, DP, Rels could be a thing
You know vivax when I first caught up it seemed like koshi was driving this train but now that im quoting everything it seems like you are one of the main drivers
On March 08 2024 10:36 iamperfection wrote: Oats i think he might be town to be quite honest. Just a feeling the way he has acted but ive always liked oats so could be a bias of mine.
Iamp back at it again
Then I caught up to the thread after getting back home. You’re right vivax, koshi hasn’t been a factor since I left the thread this morning. I think I let my frustrations from this morning carry over to now. Hes still done what I said he did, just not recently. Unfortunately I don’t think I cans scum read you for this, your just dumb. And While marv called oats town he dd say to stick the course on the lynch. Iamp is the one I missed tbh. Also This does not clear marv in anyway, if anything I find it funny hes now doing what he said scum would do and just go along with the lynch.
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
How serious are you about this vote?
I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat.
What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes?
I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
How serious are you about this vote?
I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat.
What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes?
I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process
Could you elaborate with examples please? Helps me TR people when people say more than "this is what I believe now because of stuff." Listing quotes and links and stuff. I know you did this before, and this take can use some of that IMO.
Ok easy, first I have to read it under the assumptions vivax has which is that oats is town.
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
This kinda stuff now reads like TMI if you assume oats is town. Thinks hes town but still wants to lynch him oh and by the way he might be the miller.
On March 08 2024 05:46 Oatsmaster wrote: You are bending over backwards, behind and every which way to avoid calling me town jat even though you clearly think so, ridiculous
I literally called you towny. That was the last thing I said about your alignment.
Again, someone who's not going to be surprised if oats flips town
when I first read through these didn't stand out very much, but looking again and trying to think what vivax might be thinkinng I can see where these would stand out.
Of course I could be totally off base which is why I asked vivax to explain, I just wanna understand where hes coming from.
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
On March 08 2024 09:06 DarthPunk wrote: I am like 90% sure oats is town and I still think it is the right play to lynch oats.
How do you move forward from this redcheck next phase, and the next phase?
What do we do at lylo with a redcheck oats?
You all realise he is never getting night killed if he is town with a redcheck on him.
I will be having words with grack after the game about millers in this setup but nothing more to be done.
On March 08 2024 07:22 Vivax wrote: I honestly have a really good argument for why Oats isn‘t mafia actually. But it requires you to believe he‘d be good enough to think about it.
On March 08 2024 07:23 Vivax wrote: If Oats was mafia he could claim bodyguard. That‘d make it easier to survive the check and pulls more info for scum if they can‘t stop the lynch.
On March 08 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote: I‘m actually not going to vote him.
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
I’ve alluded to most of it. Rayn discord was quite quiet, the main highlight was seeing a pic from artanis’ wedding and being made to guess who is who. And talking him down off Copcake which I may or may not regret.
Sandro discord was very active. We talked about palmar, MZ, Rels, JSL (I got excited about sandro’s read but the claim seems to have scotched that). Sandro thought Koshi was very town as he aligned with him on a bunch of stuff. We talked about MZ, specifically the posts at the end of his first page of filter and the first page of 2nd filter. Sandro had said he wrote MZ off as town for a while after that. We sort of concluded it would be a ballsy scumplay but that MZ could make it. We also talked about MZ stance on town deciding the mayor lynch, sandro talked about how it was quite an old school view what MZ said about it and we left it there.
We both thought VE was scummy.
I asked sandro to talk palmar off of rayn if sandro was alive. Obviously that sort of resolved itself. And I am aware that makes it sound like I think palmar is town, but it’s more complicated than that. The act of sandro talking to palmar would have been revealing.
Jealous town, CC town.
So if we ignore Oats you‘d want to do VE or MZ today ? Do you think it‘s a good idea to follow the redcheck when Oats is still looking townie?
I would have voted VE.
The oats thing is mathematical. If you read him as over 90% town, great. Over 90 is a very high threshold though. I’m actually a very hedgy townie unless I’m super sure.
I just don’t know that it’s the right play to not lynch oats even though my personal read is town.
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
On March 08 2024 10:36 iamperfection wrote: Oats i think he might be town to be quite honest. Just a feeling the way he has acted but ive always liked oats so could be a bias of mine.
On March 08 2024 06:27 Koshi wrote: I still think we shouldnt lynch Oats. Rels/MZ/VE maybe Palmar are all better lynches. They didnt care during night. Dont care now.
MZ just tried to be relevant today dancing with me but it isnt real scumhunting.
I also havent done anything but you know... most think I am town because I am pretty townie overall.
On March 06 2024 11:07 Oatsmaster wrote: [quote] Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now Jacob more null slam town
Updates from Oats' filter since the above reads list: 2847: Voted JAT anyway despite townreading him, to give Trfel "time to play." Because of where the votes were, I am not gonna change alignments here, but it should be noted that Oats had JAT as town and Trfel as NA. 3414: "Jsl saying that koshi’s thing was a scumslip but DMB’s thing wasn’t a scumslip is super sus" 3861: "I’m just laughing at the jealous post completely accepting that he’s acting in an anti town manner because of “probability”" <- I don't think this is enough for me to assume they SR me but who knows. 3990: "For claim reactions, I think that the way jealous reacted felt very preplanned and lining up the mislynches, what do you think?" <- This is closer to an accusation IMO.* 4067: "Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia" 4013: "If this means that you think slam is cop then yes I agree "
Scum: JAT Meapak_Ziphh Jacob ToTheStars VE DMB CopCake
Can you elaborate on the above changes? Old positions crossed out, new positions should be accurate.
On March 08 2024 00:01 Oatsmaster wrote: How did you get jat is town from my filter
From this, quoted above in response to the original list:
Oh sorry I misread but I think vivax is town now and jat is town now
Oh that was night wifom, he’s definitely scum
Alright. Also found your TTS reasoning above, so we can skip that one.
1. I'm guessing Jacob town because of the role claim, correct? 2. Why is JAT scum? 3. And why is CopCake town?
What do you think about my MZ post and dmb?
It felt like a reactionary post because of their math/slamming the CopCake x Alakaslam line of discussion, like you got mad because they did that and messed up the % chances so you latched onto them for it.
Like you, I wasn't thrilled about their Day 1 play, but it's also Day 1 stuff so I'm more willing to write it off when there were people I was more interested in looking into. I also agreed with you that I wanted them to elaborate on their new reads more, particularly the TRs. Without getting more elaboration I find it hard to evaluate how natural the progression is, but I do see your point and will keep an eye out. I also think that they weren't really active/trying to find mafia but they also at least gave a reason for it, as opposed to some other people.
I agree that there is something worth digging into, I just don't think I feel as strongly about it as you seem to at this specific moment.
RE: DMB, I didn't like their posting almost at any point to be honest, they were one of my frontrunners for a lynch, but I think I will have to back off of this until we see how you flip because of how quickly you voted DMB after Alakaslam's reveal. Things might be clearer then.
I’m not really sure what you were trying to say with the first part unless you are saying that I saw that post and went wait wtf then filtered MZ, in which case that’s absolutely correct.
That’s fine regarding dmb.
You’ve spent a whole bunch of time looking at other peoples reads, can we get some of your reads?
1) raynpelikoneet - Was scum reading, flipped town. 2) Oatsmaster - Was town reading, have to assume scum. 3) DarthPunk - Still town reading. 4) Vivax - Still have to assume town read. 5) sandroba - Was town reading, flipped town. 6) Trfel - Was neutral, sheeped Koshi's vote reasons, flipped town. 7) marvellosity - Still green. 8) Jealous - I'm VT. 9) Meapak_Ziphh - Was leaning town, still leaning town but not as confident as other reads. 10) Palmar - Was neutral but unimpressed, now thinking town is somewhat likely. 11) justanothertownie - Was neutral, had ups and downs, now back to neutral-ish. 12) die_meatbaby - Was neutral, went down, now I am just withholding judgment until further info. 13) CopCake - Still lynchable to me. 14) JacobStrangelove - Basically have to believe roleclaim at this point in time at least. 15) Hapahauli - Guessed town despite policy lynch status, flipped town. 16) Iamperfection - Was town, still town. 17) Koshi - Was town, still town, but am less confident compared to before. 18) ToTheStars - Was leaning scum, that hasn't changed and they've been absent, good lynch IMO. 19) VisceraEyes - Was neutral, leaning scum due to PoE and relative reads to others basically. 20) Rels - Was neutral, still fairly neutral mostly due to lack of impressions on activity, will filter next. 21) Alakaslam - Was leaning lynch/scum/wtf, now have to believe claim at this moment.
On March 07 2024 17:05 Palmar wrote: Like 90% mafia is basically the best shot we can get. I’m sorry Oats but not much to do about it. If you’re town just get to work and leave a strong legacy.
On March 07 2024 13:19 die_meatbaby wrote: #vote Oatsmaster
the only right thing to do now.
10/15 players who are not me or oats don't seem to excited for this lycch. The only person who seems to post a scum read with her vote is copcake
On March 07 2024 14:06 CopCake wrote: So in conclusion
oats is either mafia or miller. I would go mafia for Rayn’s death.
So
##vote: Oats
But she also spent a lot of time grilling slam about his check so I was under the impression she wasn't into it as well.
Honestly, the amount of people who are saying shit like "100% the right call but I don't like it" is making me wonder if there are scum who know there was a framer or something involved and are prepping for a flip where they stand back and shrug their shoulders and say "well it was the right call"
I can't believe I'm even considering this seriously. Everyone knows what they're supposed to say but eveyrone wants to caveat it with how much they hate doing it.
this game has been so frustrating today. Did scum hit the 1 outer on the river and actually drill a frame or did slam get absolutely coolered and run into a miller.
On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote: [quote] Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.
Mafia marv has two options
- block rayn - block vivax
Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.
So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.
But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)
I think this kinda clears marv?
I mean that would be the best mafia play.
Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam
So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!
Marv is town by night actions.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
I think this is a very townie post The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie
I think she is pocketing him here.
Your last point is why.
Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up
Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.
In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself
That looks like standard mafia fare to me.
Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.
I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...
This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)
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Copcake did I read you correctly earlier today that you were hesitant to lynch oats hence all your questions to slam>
The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn.
On March 08 2024 13:45 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The one night of the week I have time to stay up late and eveyrone else goes to bed.
Oh well this bottle of bourbon won't drink itself lol
Rels, Cop, DP how are you?
copcake I swear I'm not obsessed with you, please just answer me regarding your questions of slam about his oats check. I'm trying to come to grips with the impossible rn.
I'm enjoying chatting with Jealous in the mason chat and staying out of the thread a bit to be honest.
On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote: Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
Sigh, this was another person I owe a read through on. guess I'll do that now
On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote: Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way.
At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point.
Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that.
On March 08 2024 13:52 Rels wrote: Not a fan of DMB after slogging through her filter.
I don't like that she spends soooo much time talking almost only about Vivax or the way she plays in the abstract early D1. I already didn't like it at the time D1, which prompted my push for a list from her. That list is pretty bad IMO - the only substanciated read is, again, on Vivax. The case on DP contains nothing that makes him scum. The dumbtell on D2 looks very forced.
I know she was scumread a lot as town though so I will need to verify if those points were present in her town game. Not tonight though
I also slogged through her filter and the biggest thing that stood out was her days long tunnel of DP. That's easy to maintain as town and easy to maintain as scum imo. Town bc you just 100% think you're right and scum bc you don't need to try very hard. That said I do think she's still fairly in line with her meta from the town that I remember. I think she's wrong about DP but not in a scum way.
At the end of the day I see more scum in VE/Marv at this point.
Don't even ask me about oats rn, I need to sleep on that.
Why is marv mafia?
I can answer this tomorrow, I'm going to bed now but it's almost entirely a meta read based on effort and activity. I was hoping my mason with palmar would help sort some of that out but it's been rather useless so far.
On March 08 2024 07:43 Vivax wrote: Marv is mafia, anyway.
He should be here dumping everything they discussed before his masons got killed, and taking control and he isn‘t doing either.
I‘d lynch him before Oats.
##Vote marvellosity
How serious are you about this vote?
I think 4 mafia were on Trfel now. Marv can wait My vote is on jat.
What has pushed JAT ahead of Marv in your eyes?
I finally did a decent read of JAT and I think I know why youve got some of the reads the way they are i dont think you're 100% right but I might be understanding someo f your thought process
Vivax I still wanna know if I was following your thought process on JAT correctly.
On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote: MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads?
I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats.
I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things.
At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning.
On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote: MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads?
I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats.
I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things.
At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning.
… do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him?
I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable.
Copcake now voting jealous is why I was trying to figure out how serious she was when she said something to the effect of "guess Oats is scum bc of the NKs" I'm phone posting at work otherwise I'd try and quote it but it happened after my initial conversation with her yesterday morning.
This is also why I was asking Vivax about his vote on JAT and his reads on you and JAT. Like if he seriously believes one of you is more likely to be scum than Oats or if he's just looking for a way to not have his vote on Oats at the end of day. I've said it many times before, I don't see any way for vivax to be scum at this point but unless he's serious about lynching you guys, idk what he's doing.
On March 09 2024 01:21 CopCake wrote: MZ, i dont wanna be mean but I answered your question.
Did it help somehow with your reads?
I understand you were confused about slam's choice. I was trying to figure out if that stemmed purely from questioning slam or if it was also driven by a townread of Oats.
I think it helped. The biggest thing for me right now are the amount of people who voted Oats while calling him town. People caveating their votes like that is making me second guess some things.
At least you decided to scum read him based on the NKs after I asked you the questions yesterday morning.
… do you not think he looks town and are you not voting for him?
I thought his case on me was a little opportunistic but a lot of the stuff after that has looked better/town than anything else he's posted this game. I am voting him because I think he's going to flip red bc the math says so. Notice I'm not voting him and saying "oh yeah but I think he'll flip town." It's stuff like that which is giving me pause on him tbh, why vote on him when you think he'll flip town. If you think he's gonna flip town as Miller then why are you voting for him. If you think he got framed why are you voting for him. In a vacuum I think he's going to flip red because of how unlikely it is for either of those events to occur. But everyone being so wishy washy with their votes is making me uncomfortable.
This is just semantics though. I’m honestly not saying this to be a dick, but I see what you’re saying and what I’ve said (I am just an example, there are others like me) as functionally equivalent. Which is the dude looks town (‘I think he’s town’ and ‘he looks town’ are the same statement in the context of the red check) but that’s where the vote ends up.
It’s just different ways of people expressing their read. And people understanding it’s very difficult to overcome a personal read in the face of a red check.
Do you see what I’m saying?
Sure I get what you're saying but to me there is a difference between thinking someone looks town but thinking they'll flip scum and thinking someone looks town, is gonna a flip town, and the voting them anyway.
People not overcoming their personal read in the face of a red check and voting with their read is at least more honest than not overcoming that read but still voting for the red check.
On March 06 2024 23:34 iamperfection wrote: Cop might just be dumb. I felt like dmb knew trfels alignment ignored me multiple times when I said the play was different. Trfel themselves admitted they were playing bad
yes i am more sure of dmb being mafia here, but cake still said: 1) vivax/dp/iamp changed the lynch from palmar (for no reason as mafia) 2) dp pocketed palmar (and palmar is not town)
it does not sit well with me. i just cant wrap my head around it...
i dont understand how she is trying to explain this now (she has), if someone can read that to me so i can understand it it would be really nice.
You just dont want to understand. 🫨
that's just wrong. im the fucking best town player in this game with JAT even if i am wrong on you and those plebs almost lynched him.
Rayn listen to me for a moment please.
You’re doing this thing you always do where something doesn’t make logical sense to you and drawing the conclusion it must come from mafia.
I think it’s really quite unlikely CC is mafia. Her play feels quite different to when we were mafia. There I struggled to get her to do much other stuff than defend herself. Which is fair enough.
Here she has a bunch of crazy opinions and is constantly sticking her neck out. The simple explanation is she is super into the game and is thinking about things in a way you don’t grasp and doesn’t make sense to you. She’s playing like some blend of town Koshi/Vivax. Just consider it for me please
I don't want to get too in the weeds here but this is part of my frustration/desire to just lynch CopCake and call it a day. Basically, if we assume the following:
town!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
... and...
scum!CopCake = Does weird RP, gets reads from tea leaves and the phases of the moon while Mercury is in Gatorade, and says stuff like "I am bad town but good mafia so that somehow makes me good for town", then I'm not really getting much out of their interactions, they are not pushing the game forward, and I don't see any reason to keep them around. This doesn't make them the scummiest, but it's just a less schizo Race Bannon.
So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
However, I will admit I like what her posting brought out of rayn in my absence, so perhaps I am being a bit too harsh here. Then again, it feels more like rayn putting a lot of work to untangle what CopCake is saying, more so than CopCake saying good things, IMO.
TL;DR: I can be convinced to lynch vote someone else with a strong case against them, but CopCake's interactions so far make me think this might be a good lynch in general.
Here.
What part of this is mean? If anything he caveats his own read saying he's being harsh but I don't read this as mean.
On March 09 2024 07:33 Koshi wrote: Worst math I have seen in a while. If they have a framer, the chance they picked Oats is the only thing you need to calculate. Add the chance of a miller in there and you know the odds.
The chance they picked Oats is high because our cop decided to bold his fucking name in his reads post after claiming cop.
Chance of Slam not being town and cop is low.
Our blues and DP are so fucking bad that mafia has 1 rb and 3 blues to pick from.
So I guess 2 die tonight. And no tears will be shred.
On March 04 2024 15:12 DarthPunk wrote: Slam have you played a lot with cake?
Yes
are you worried about her alignment here?
Not in the slightest.
Remember I have a meta from the third Heaven, I have met Raynpelikoneet, Hapahauli, CopCake, Conversion, Igrok, Chezinu, and
Others
I R L
We have personalities beyond the mafia.
But meh
I am tomfool
What did you mean by this then:
On March 04 2024 14:58 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 04 2024 14:01 CopCake wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:52 CopCake wrote: Lord Trfel, Duchess meatbaby… would you like to join me for tea in this perfectly splendid day?
Unfortunately I don't drink tea, why do you ask?
@DarthPunk sorry I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying, I wasn't trying to misrepresent you. I'll let you do your thing instead of arguing over little nonsense.
Out of character: it is just set up flavour, do not take it too literal, just enjoy the chat engagement. 🥂
How was T.h.i.s. important C A K E ?
I have a bitterness not against cake indeed! I shall become foul.
Remember oars bullshit on me earlier?
Yeah, I'm mocking him, DP.
Don't act like I haven't been posing "page 35 ftw!" As town since 2013. Y'all know me better than this shit.
I thought you were sus on cake here for posting the tea party shit.
Nope, it's all directed at Oats.
He jumped down my throat for tongue-in-cheek remarks and I saw that bullshit and was like oh wow, how about this, then I saw his replies to her and remembered I was catching up and being current at the same time.
On March 05 2024 04:18 Alakaslam wrote: Why is Oatsmaster town?
Slam talks about Oats a lot in his filter, if you were going to target slam with a framer, all you'd have to do is pick from his scum reads which he doesn't have a bunch of and your math gets a lot better.
Actually seeing Palmar make my own math argument, I kinda get why it sounds so weak.
On March 09 2024 08:19 iamperfection wrote: i feel like plamar just rambled for several posts saying stuff that is irrelevant or saying stuff everyone knows already
He finally talked to me for 30 seconds in the Mason chat and then peaced out.
On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote: Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think.
On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too. Just like for your records
On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote: oats is very townie imo
Yeah I know
I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion.
But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though.
Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol
The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut?
On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote: Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think.
he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean he also says this just prior:
On March 09 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too. Just like for your records
On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote: oats is very townie imo
Yeah I know
I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion.
But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though.
Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol
The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut?
did he really say that voting for the lulz
Yes.
I wasted the whisper so hard.
That said, his decision to park his vote on VE instead of just throwing it on someone random like copcake sits a little better with me, assuming VE is scum, because now the vote count is pretty close and I can't imagine if he was scum with VE he'd risk that.
On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote: Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think.
he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean he also says this just prior:
On March 09 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too. Just like for your records
On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote: oats is very townie imo
Yeah I know
I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion.
But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though.
Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol
The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut?
did he really say that voting for the lulz
Yes.
I wasted the whisper so hard.
That said, his decision to park his vote on VE instead of just throwing it on someone random like copcake sits a little better with me, assuming VE is scum, because now the vote count is pretty close and I can't imagine if he was scum with VE he'd risk that.
well if all 3 were scum it wouldn't matter
I actually am pretty set on copcake being scum at the moment, her votes are just horrible for a townie. It begs the question why doesn't she want to be on Oats.
I think of those three Palmar is least likely to be scum.
I went to the store and got some groceries and realized pretty much every realistic scum team scenario I was trying to figure out did not contain Oats but definitely included VE.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
If we wanna talk more math that I'm bad at, it's not 1/19 chance of Slam's check vs 1/19 check of a framer (which tbh is what I'm assuming happened), it's 1/slam's reads vs 1/slams read's since he claimed so scum had an idea of where he'd be looking.
Koshi's post about this earlier today was really good on this, I think I've quoted it twice now.
On March 09 2024 09:19 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I don't see how scum palmar puts his joke vote on the only plausible counter wagon if VE is scum too.
What do you mean oats had 10 votes voting on scum ve is entirely safe from his perspective.
Yeah that is true, and I guess his vote is the only thing that's driving me putting VE ahead of him on the lynch priority right now.
Nah I don't think I can vote Palmar today, his shit has looked terrible today but he was reasonable enough at other points in the game for me to have a townread of him earlier. His level of play is absolutely infuriating right now and I don't know if it's gonna get any better but it's almost so bad that I have a hard time seeing him doing it as scum, like he's gotta know everything he posted over the last couple of hours was bad. There are already enough shenanigans. If you want someone other than Oats its gotta be VE.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
If we wanna talk more math that I'm bad at, it's not 1/19 chance of Slam's check vs 1/19 check of a framer (which tbh is what I'm assuming happened), it's 1/slam's reads vs 1/slams read's since he claimed so scum had an idea of where he'd be looking.
Koshi's post about this earlier today was really good on this, I think I've quoted it twice now.
Haven’t you called people not voting for oats mafia for the whole phase?
Only the first half, I spent a while last night trying to figure out why people I was previously townreading were doing things I didn't understand. Spent a bit trying to read the game from a different point of view.
Yes, I am fully aware that this is going to be perceived very poorly by multiple people who think I am scummy. Yes I also believe I'm making the right play. And yes I fully recognize the irony of the ego comment that I made yesterday.
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.
If we wanna talk more math that I'm bad at, it's not 1/19 chance of Slam's check vs 1/19 check of a framer (which tbh is what I'm assuming happened), it's 1/slam's reads vs 1/slams read's since he claimed so scum had an idea of where he'd be looking.
Koshi's post about this earlier today was really good on this, I think I've quoted it twice now.
Haven’t you called people not voting for oats mafia for the whole phase?
Only the first half, I spent a while last night trying to figure out why people I was previously townreading were doing things I didn't understand. Spent a bit trying to read the game from a different point of view.
Yes, I am fully aware that this is going to be perceived very poorly by multiple people who think I am scummy. Yes I also believe I'm making the right play. And yes I fully recognize the irony of the ego comment that I made yesterday.
I mean you look fucking bad right now if oats is mafia.
Yeah but people already think I look bad and they usually do. I've spent most of today trying to figure this out, at least I'm more certain of this move because it's VE.
On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Town Vivax: JK no words necessary
Jsl: uncced GS
Slam: I think the abstract sort of confusion that slam has operated in for the majority of the 2 days is very townie and he has expressed very clear opinions and reads of people so I absolutely think he’s lock town. Not to mention cop etc
DP: he’s been actively pushing to lynch me this entire cycle which I don’t think mafia would do here, much safer to just go with the flow and not actively keep pushing. He’s also started actually giving reads this latter half of the day and scumhunting which again, doesn’t make sense for mafia to do.
Iamp: very townie pushes that he felt invested in and actually wanted to see the dead people. Kinda the reverse of dp, he’s been hard on not lynching me here which again makes no sense for mafia to do because it’s super easy to tmi and mess up especially with the day starting the way it did with everyone believing it
Marv: I was hesitant early on day 1 when he was playing mostly in the dm with rayn but I think at this point the Palmar push was good and I see absolutely no reason mafia!marv discloses that rayn told him who he was targeting with his night action. I do also like that he called out mz’s nonsense today.
Cake: this is a read I’ve been flip flopping throughout the game but at this point I’m settled on her being firmly town, I think the jealous thing especially that happened today is townie because it only draws attention to her and it didn’t feel manufactured or plannned.
Koshi: ngl this read has been fading throughout today. The mid part of day 1 I had a really solid townread on him but I don’t like that his activity has dived so much. However I do like that he’s not voting for me so he’s still firmly town.
Jealous: Said earlier today but I think that his scumhunting efforts have been good and he feels like he wants to solve the game and find the mafia.
DMB: same as the last post about her, none of what she’s doing makes sense as mafia, I’m treating the dumb telling as nai and I mean the dp push is misguided but it feels like she cares
Palmar: slow start but he’s posted a fair bunch today. I don’t think mafia Palmar has to capacity do that rayn post and I also don’t think mafia Palmar gets off of me onto VE.
Mafia Rels: the way that rels has approached today is atrocious. He’s just come in here, stuck his vote on me and left. This is in addition to his day 1 malaise and overreaction in the night.
Mz: Not actually progressing through reads well. The way he approached his cake read was fully odd and not natural with that night post seemingly not to realize that he was literally complaining about his top scum read. I fully expect him to end up on me before the day ends.
Jat: the day 1 super marv sheep without actually reading marv as town was not good and he hasn’t used today at all to advance any of his reads, just content to sit on me and do some waffle
Tts: the insane “I’m a noob idk what is going on” thing is not it and he’s played exactly how I think mafia would play today, just act confused then place a vote
VE: comes into the game terribly saying he’s gonna be active but just doesn’t play. His outrage doesn’t feel real in his posts and he seems like he’s just struggling to actually take an interest in scumhunting
———————- Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game.
Damn dude we very similar reads and I came around to the idea that you were town and you're still scumreading me?
I have spent far too much time over the last day trying to discern your alignment, I'm sticking with town. I'm just gonna assume you've got lost reading too much Koshi and vivax who are scum reading me despite also sharing similar reads.
On March 09 2024 11:47 iamperfection wrote: copcake with a ninja vote nice
Jesus that's terrible.
Well in a way it reinforces in my mind that Oats is town since my assumption of scum!cake doesn't want to be anywhere near the flip but that the same time who fucking knows.
Lolol after all that time discussing if frame occured when really it was the framer the whole time.
Gj to the folks who stuck that lynch through, should have stuck with my gut and not get lost in the vivax/koshi sauce there. Oh well, my fault for talking myself into it.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
On March 09 2024 12:08 Vivax wrote: Very good play by Oats. Good luck with the copcake shot dp.
VE tomorrow most likely.
So you think this was a double bus situation and people used it as an opportunity to look more townie for remaining on Oats?
Or maybe this is just a bad idea, to go after the second wagon?
And maybe it would be very convenient for some people who spearheaded second wagons?
Hmm 🤔
Vivax where you going? These weren't entirely rhetorical, I want to hear your thoughts on this.
It‘s the same wifom from him not claiming BG or ccing or claiming another role that made him look townie to me today.
Need to reread beginning of a D1 tbh because he seemed off to me and DP. Later I tried to get traction too but can‘t remember who blocked.
So you do think it was a double bus? Because otherwise there would be no reason to lynch VE after Oats if it wasn't, right?
How should I know ? I don‘t even think about it because it‘s easier to lynch VE and find out.
It‘s like you are trying to construct a ve is town narrative because I can‘t prove it‘s not a double bus smh
I didn't ask you to prove it, it's more like I'm wondering why "VE is 100% the next lynch" is your proven stance on the issue. Hence "think," also. I'm not asking for you to bend time and space. Basically all you have to do is say is you believe that the outcomes of this vote, the shennanies that happened before it, and the fact that people pushed other wagons don't change anything and we should still try to lynch VE. Just say that.
I am now very interested in this line of questioning.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no?
You're misremembering, I starting to doubt myself last night but this post from koshi this morning was what really got me thinking.
On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote: I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
Man help yourself to a healthy portion of the credit for that flip why don't you. You didn't find anything so let's not go using this as free town points when you haven't really done much of anything
That'd be like me trying to claim I was a critical part of that push on Oats because I yelled at people who didn't vote him for the first part of the day lol and disregarding my 180 on him.
Not trying to be a dick Rels but it's not really a good look for you to try and so obviously grab town points for something you had nothing to do with.
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
I don't understand the last part, can you extend on it?
It's irrelevant now but at that point I was thinking scum could have decided to gamble and leave slam alive in order to try and mess with his check by using a framer, turns out they did have one but we got em.
Didn't you get this thought from someone else like 2 hours before lynch or am I just misremembering? For the first 90% of D2 you believed that this was basically an impossible outcome, no?
You're misremembering, I starting to doubt myself last night but this post from koshi this morning was what really got me thinking.
On March 09 2024 02:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 09 2024 02:24 Koshi wrote:
On March 09 2024 01:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 09 2024 01:14 CopCake wrote: Well if you are not miller, what are you?
It is not logical to think he is setting up a slam lynch if you flip miller.
And Framer I think is pretty low.
Idk if I am seeing that correctly.
I believe you are town and miller.
VT that got framed? Which mafia would know?
If you knew slam was cop it isnt so hard to frame the bolded ? in his read list. I didnt check time stamps.
This might be the smartest thing you've posted koshi.
Reading through Slam's D1 and Oats is his most consistent scumread. It could also explain why Slam didn't die last night.
This was about 10 hours ago, not 2
Fair, apologies. I do remember this interaction, just underestimated how far it was from EOD because their were several bursts of catching up while working today.
Personally and regardless of the real %chance number, I think this play you described is REALLY unlikely, period. Basically, I was always in agreement with your initial approach to the issue, not the one it became by EOD/vote. But, I understand that pendulums can swing hard when it comes to perception.
Yeah obvious hindsight is obvious but I let the certainty some people had in Oat's alignment start to color my perception since I didn't really have a strong read on oats before the check. this post was where things started to go south in the way I was reading the oats and the whole situation last night.
On March 10 2024 09:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Plamar it hurt my feelings you didnt' want to talk but its ok, I[robably have low IQ being a forum game player lolool
On March 10 2024 09:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Plamar it hurt my feelings you didnt' want to talk but its ok, I[robably have low IQ being a forum game player lolool
So are you town? Pinky promise me?
I may be dumb but Im still town, pinky promise
also everyone should watch that youtube vid if they have time ot kill
On March 09 2024 18:55 VisceraEyes wrote: I ran for mayor got ignored and demotivated. I decided to spend time with people who want to touch my junk rather than people who literally never give a shit what I have to say. Honestly I shouldn't have joined, but I did and it is what it is. I fully accept that I'm going to die within the next 2 day cycles, and the thread is too big for me to catch up and give anything resembling meaningful reads - not that I would even, because like I said, any effort I make is wasted because no one gives a shit about my reads.
I won't darken the thread again except to meet the activity requirements and vote. Good luck gentlemen and ladies and everything in between.
On March 10 2024 12:41 Rels wrote: With this out of the way, going to bed. Very interested to see how CopCake handles this (still thinks she's town but interested nonetheless)
How can you think that? She‘s like the witch doctor on team dire at this point. Just going in wolololo at the game when she posts.
##vote: copcake
I am town but
I want to quit the game, I am not enjoying it like I tend to do it.
Rayn might get a bit annoyed but I am a sensitive person and if I do not like something, I just quit. Same happened when Slam was having a difficult moment, I felt bad so I wanted out.
These are both horrible posts.
Copcake has at least hung around and tried to contribute versus VE who legit just fucked off. I know I got swayed in part by oats staying around yesterday, and I'm not saying I think cake is town, just I think VE is the higher percentage lynch. It does however mean both wagons were red yesterday, and if we're assuming both cake and VE are red it means both wagons are red today as well. This isn't impossible, after the red check on oats and the TTS shot I could easily see scum getting discouraged and not wanting to play but there's the manner of finding the last scum. I think we just need to flip VE before we can move on bc even if there's the 1% he's town, it's similar to the point someone made yesterday about Oats, we can't bring him to lylo.
On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely
On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
There‘s so much dumbtelling going on we might have to start printing out membership cards.
For you, if you are town and got a gun, veteran and gunsmith should be confirmed.
So only jailkeeper is not confirmed for you.
The questions are:
1.- Is it a balanced game to have 6 blue roles?
2.- Did I understood correctly the roles of a single shot for mafia vig/ town vig?
Speaking of dumbtelling, I'm going to propose policy lynching for not reading the OP in future games, or if you find yourself making a post about the setup, you must quote the portion of the setup to prove you've read it. This looks deliberate in my eyes on cake's part, especially since the KP situation has been explained several times in the thread.
On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote: I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted
On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely
I agree this is most likely.
##Vote: CopCake
/salute
##Vote: VE
This one?
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm.
VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote: I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted
On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely
I agree this is most likely.
##Vote: CopCake
/salute
##Vote: VE
This one?
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm.
VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart.
I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up.
On March 11 2024 01:53 Vivax wrote: I‘m going to vote VE for sure after he smugly hinted at being rber in the post I quoted
On March 11 2024 00:03 Vivax wrote:
On March 10 2024 13:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
On March 10 2024 12:17 iamperfection wrote: [quote] or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely
I agree this is most likely.
##Vote: CopCake
/salute
##Vote: VE
This one?
The jealous post with double shot/breaking JK is obvious nonsense imo. Doesn‘t work like that mechanically unless he meant strongarm.
VE doesn‘t realize that and just corrects him with roleblock being most likely.
well and having any awareness of whats going on when VE is "afk" is suspect as well.
If Oats really was the "best" player on the team as has been speculated, VE could have also just deliberately AFK'd to try and create a more attractive counter wagon.
That doesn't make the redcheck go away though. So the logic kinda falls apart.
I mean it doesn't, however the counterwagon (that I am aware I was apart of) did get pretty strong yesterday. I don't think it's out of the question for scum VE to try and help the case against him to save oats simply by not showing up.
But slam has to flip at some point
yeah but the assumption I (and I think some of the other pro oats people) was making yesterday is that Oats was framed, so even when slam flips, it's not a 100% death sentence for oats. I know this gets a little deep in WIFOM land but if scum somehow saved oats, since he was the framer maybe they don't kill VE just to make things more confusing.
Either way, I do think that my point about VE's play is a possibility yesterday.
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.
There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.
There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
VE Rels MZ DMB
All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn)
Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP
I forgot other people
Ok yeah I miscounted how many people you had on your scumlist, that does work. I think you are very wrong about copcake, not to mention myself. I think you're wrong about DMB as well. You are very very heavily leaning on sandroba/rayn for your reads right now.
On March 11 2024 04:02 Koshi wrote: Anyway. This is the weirdest way to look into this matter. Were there too many townies on VE and are you doing damage control for when VE flips?
I really don't understand what you're reading here or why you think this is weird? I think VE is going to flip scum and I'm providing some of my thoughts as to why I think he will. I've been calling him scum most of the game. You're one of the ones who led the charge to have him lynched instead of oats yesterday.
I dont understand why you are saying there is scum on VE wagon to save oats.
I think the difference between us right now is that I'm scumreading copcake and you are not. But you also are currently scumreading me so essentially you believe the same thing that I do, that there are scum on the VE wagon yesterday.
There's also one scum left who I haven't fully figured out meanwhile you have decided it's me, DMB, and VE. I think you're wrong about DMB as well so yes, I'm definitely look at other VE voters from yesterday. Could be you, iamp, or maybe even Palmar.
VE Rels MZ DMB
All other reads are silly. But if you really want to go there I guess Koshi JAT CC (only cuz sandroba) Palmar (only cuz rayn)
Idiotic reads would be: iamp Jacob DP
I forgot other people
Ok yeah I miscounted how many people you had on your scumlist, that does work. I think you are very wrong about copcake, not to mention myself. I think you're wrong about DMB as well. You are very very heavily leaning on sandroba/rayn for your reads right now.
Yes. Because they are dead and I am not.
You're kinda cherry picking which of their reads that you want to sheep though, Sandroba also had CC in his list of mafia by POE.
On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
I'm not arguing with you over VE, and I'm definitely not going to second guess myself again even though I think CC is also scum. We're essentially talking about where to go after today.
On March 11 2024 04:36 Koshi wrote: Well ok. Let's say you are town MZ and you have a good read on dmb because you are both living in the side of town I never visit.
We have VE that needs to go. Literally all stronger dead townies called this guy mafia. Had him in their top 2: Sandroba Rayn Marv
That leaves JAT Jealous Rels
For 2 mafia. Cuz you protect DMB. I protect CC.
I think Rels and Jaelous is possible.
Ok, if you are going to protect CC, I will reread the Oats voters with an eye that there have to be more scum in there than I am currently reading.
I would strongly ask that you take a second look at CC.
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote: For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia: 1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1. 2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1. 3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia: 4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon. 5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia. 6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar.
I honestly got the impression that marv vs. Palmar was likely to be TvT but I can see it from this POV, too. Solid post, I'm liking my town read on Koshi.
His first post with some reads (aside from voting vivax for mayor) and he townreads Koshi and also feels PalmarVMarv is TvT.
So he starts with a scumread on rayn but it’s a very heavily caveated read and some of it is based on meta. He agrees a lot with vivax and Koshi.
He calls oats scum but doesn’t feel strongly about it other than Oats rubbing him the wrong way.
Townreads DP, Vivax, Sandroba, Maybe Marv (which is in line with him thinking MarvVPalmar was TvT) he’s also a slight town read on me.
First oddity that stands out is that now he’s got Palmar as a null read after previously saying he viewed PalmarVMarv as TVT but it’s early D1 so reads can change fairly quickly.
JAT, DMB, and Trfel all land in the null slot with Palmar, can’t really blame him at that point in time for any of those reads.
Based on his color coding, he’s got CC as a stronger scum read based on her lack of productivity.
He also leans red on JSL and slam, again none of these I can fault him for at this point.
He rounds things out with a TR of himself, hapa(why? Bc scum wouldn’t ask to get modkilled?) and of course koshi.
He’s got VE and Rels as null so we’ll remember that as we read through.
Don’t really have any big gripes with this most given the context of the time it was made, obviously things like Rayn and slam were wrong in hindsight but he did have early suspicions of Oats and TTS.
An interesting post script here is that while most of thread was initially positive about the big list, one of our flipped scum was not:
On March 06 2024 09:22 Oatsmaster wrote: The over explanation is real
Willing to sheep Koshi for the Trfel lynch, can’t really say much against that because I essentially sheep’d for the D1 lynch as well although I did my best to do some due diligence it was still rushed.
He gets hung up a bit on Slam’s claim, he also views JAT’s fight against Vivax as townie because of how bad it looks from a scum perspective, which tbh I understand that line of thinking bc it’s one of the reasons I’m still holding onto a slight TR of koshi because of how bad his push to save oats was.
Oats really goes after Jealous for a bit, regarding his votes on Trfel instead of cake or slam, really hard to read stuff from a flipped scum since we know they’re gonna be trying to obfuscate as much as possible, I think this is NAI for copcake but it does make Jealous look a little better since he’s defending himself from the weak argument of a flipped scum.
Jealous was also the only person to give me links for the discussion when I got back to the thread so I really appreciated that.
He’s still trying to say he’d lynch slam over cake which now given how things have played out is a real red flag for me.
This post is also really bad: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=135#2690 it’s like he’s in-thread coaching oats. In fact his whole interaction with Oats now reads really off to me, like oats applied pressure to a buddy in an awkward manner, and jealous realizes it didn’t make oats look good and is now trying to do damage control.
However he gets back on track down the line with another scumread of copcake here: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=176#3514 He’s answering a post from Marv and I still don’t think Marv was correct in his read, the only part I’m a little iffy on is where he says he wants to kill copcake regardless of alignment because as frustrating as bad townies are, they are still town. While I agree copcake is scummy and should go bc she’s scum, I wouldn’t be as stoked if his only reason was to just get rid of her, but I don’t think that’s his only reason.
Jealous then gets into it with rayn regarding his reads post and the fact that he missed slam’s claim, rayn correctly points out that jealous shares a lot of the same reads as him to which jealous does some really strange acrobatics where he says rayn could be sharing the same reads in order to pocket him. In fact given Rayn’s townflip, it feels like Jealous is forcing a scumread here a, like he doesn’t really have that strong of a reason to call rayn scum but he’s defending it with a crazy amount of assumptions.
Next Vivax comes after Jealous for his vote on Trfel instead of pushing for copcake/rayn, Vivax also points out that Jealous is giving JAT a townread for doing the same thing that copcake did and he’s calling copcake scum. Jealous’s explanation is that he believed copcake was sheeping versus JAT who jealous believes is coming up with his own ideas. Jealous basically just explains it away by sheeping koshi.
Before the night post Koshi posts:
On March 07 2024 09:34 Koshi wrote: I am pretty sure I wont die. But for shit and giggles.
On March 07 2024 08:54 Vivax wrote: Looking at the VC three wasted their votes of which two probably could have done so because they got frustrated about lacking thread pull.
Either rayn is simply town here and we're dealing with:
Palmar, JAT, VE, DMB, Jealous + MZ maybe but can't get a read + Rels maybe but he's just doing less than usual which is offputting.
Or he's not and one of those is actually town.
Just putting it out there.
Okay and if you take yourself out of the equation, what do you think of those that remain in this list ?
Which one could you see yourself lynching tomorrow ?
Hmm. I guess I'd say that my perception of the following improved overall:
Palmar JAT rayn (improved relative to me gut-scum-reading him in my initial reads list, but not too much)
My perception of the following did not:
VE DMB MZ Rels
Between the above I found DMB and VE to be the more erratic and thus unhelpful posters for the most part. Rels and MZ just haven't done much recently in general, though I guess VE can be added to that list too; VE's posts over the last 24 hours are just a big fat nothingburger. MZ at least seems to be trying to catch up after a shitty day so I can be patient there at the moment. Rels, similar story, though I agree with whoever said that they would have "lynched over half the game" over Trfels.
So, TLDR, I guess my top contenders from that list would be VE and DMB, followed by probably rayn (though I do want to give them more time to work on things, as I mentioned before, I did like how they approached the CopCake discussion overnight).
As for names outside of that list, I think TTS and CopCake both deserve a mention.
Except for Jacob on Koshi’s list and VE on Jealous’ those are extremely similar scumlists. Interestingly Jealous also finds an evolution on his rayn read prior to the daypost where Rayn dies.
Jealous then agrees with a reads post of mine with the xception of Marv and JAT who I had as lean scum, he suggests adding copcake and Rels, I believe this was the portion of the game where I started to townread Cake for a bit due to the stuff with JSL but after he claimed his role I reconsidered.
Jealous is quick to vote Oats which comes off as a little odd given the hard time he had accepting Slam’s claim early on but it’s whatever.
This might be one of the more interesting posts in Jealou’s filter https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=204#4072 I don’t think a lot of people have actually gone back and really looked through the raynVPalmar stuff very closely Rayn is probably screaming in the obs rn.
Jealous once again makes a reads list for Oats, I just don’t understand why he does this.
Jealous spent most of D1 solidly in Koshi’s pocket but he definitely breaks out D2, he goes after Koshi for trying to not lynch oats
After saying his perception of Rels got worse after the D1 lynch, Jealous does a filter dive and decides he’s leaning town: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=219#4372 this is inline with his previous statements when he initially downgraded his perception of rels.
He posts the infamous picture in response toa bunch of Koshi posts
He quotes a post where Iamp calls VE, TTS, and Palmar scum and agrees with it.
Most of the rest of his filter is pushinig for copcake today, ngl I’ve been working on this post for almost 3 hours and I’m kinda losing steam.
So what have I learned? I think the worst part about Jealous are the Oats interactions, they're very strange and don't really make much sense, however Jealous did stay the course on the Oats lynch which is more than can be said for myself, Koshi, and others. I think Jealous has been consistent and correct with his push onto Cake but I would really like to get an up to date read from him on Rels. I don't think Jealous is scum, I think he sheep'd koshi very very hard but has since then broke away and started analyzinig the game on his own.
On March 11 2024 04:32 Koshi wrote: marv would also always lynched VE over cc.
I'm not arguing with you over VE, and I'm definitely not going to second guess myself again even though I think CC is also scum. We're essentially talking about where to go after today.
Let's make a deal on Rels Jealous and jat?
Jealous town, gonna take a break and do Rels next.
And Koshi I went into that filter dive with no idea where I'd end up. I tried my best to forget my TR I gave him earlier and just read it as objectively as possible given the flips we've seen.
Rereading my own post and I'm realizing I highlighted his null read of VE as something to come back to but I don't remember seeing if Jealous ever did.
On March 11 2024 00:48 iamperfection wrote: [quote] Have you read old cop games?
I've played with them once a long time ago. Why?
so you dont want to look at past games or what?
Don't really feel the need to in this case?
Can you maybe tell me what you think I'd find there and what relevance it has in this context? That would save me a whole lot of time, and if you make a compelling argument, that would justify further time investment. I already got burned once by "looking into rayn x Palmar" as suggested by Vivax and wasting a whole lot of time for a whole lot of nothing.
I was pondering something but when i look at it more in context i dont think its true so not worth sharing.
This was a pretty rapid development from questioning me to saying it was for nothing. Humor me please, what were you trying to imply about their past games, even if it is not contextually relevant? Just so that we get something out of this line of discussion.
they post less as mafia. but if you look at the recent mafia game its less posting then here but in context of the game it was one of the largest filters in the game.
I mean, they also spend 5 posts at a time exploring the same topic, one sentence at a time, sometimes consecutively. So volume isn't a good metric for them in this game IMO. It's not like they've actually typed all that many words total; their filter is more than double mine by post volume, but in terms of word count, I'd reckon mine is bigger than theirs, for example.
But, no matter. I think they were active enough where their level of activity is NAI IMO. Compared to someone like TTS, VE, etc.
so vote ve no?
CopCake first, and if nothing drastic happens, I am fine with voting VE next cycle.
Ok this is fine and in line with his early reads list, he's just been very tunneled on Cop so I guess he hasn't read much beyond that.
Vivax this DP push of yours is so bad that I'm borderline ready to withdraw my TR of you. This is very very reminiscent of the shit you pulled yesterday to try and get us off Oats, I'm not falling for that again.
On March 10 2024 12:16 Jealous wrote: So just to be clear, Vivax JK's Slam, and slam dies anyway, but so does marv. That means that there were two shots on Slam, one to break JK and one to kill. I am a bit tipsy and I want to make sure I understand this correctly.
or just a roleblock on vivax which i think is likely
I agree this is most likely.
##Vote: CopCake
/salute
##Vote: VE
On March 11 2024 01:15 Vivax wrote: The VE wagon looks horrible lol
On March 11 2024 01:17 CopCake wrote: Well Vivax is here so he can share of being with mafia copcake.
I want to yeet VE first anyway.
Iamp will probably rant our ears off about how it‘s bad but we are better than that.
Let's break it down:
On March 11 2024 07:25 Vivax wrote: Copcake voting herself makes me think vengeful townie. I also think she'd kill DP with it.
I mean, there's no reason here for mafia to kill a claimed cop over DP.
You start off strong with some NK WIFOM. Scum have shown over the last 2 nights they clearly do not believe/care about townie claims, they seemingly ignored Slam N1 and got burned, and they seemingly ignored DP N2 and got burned. Sitting here trying to start a case off what you think the scumteam would do is pretty rough.
On March 11 2024 08:02 Koshi wrote: Copcake; my love, could you please not vote yourself? This game is in the bag.
There's one thing that makes me think DP is mafia and it's that in my last game as town, I asked him for advice what to do to get shot when I rolled veteran.
He said: 'Claim another role'
Now he claims veteran???
I think cop should claim vengeful townie if she is and shoot him so we have a guarantee it's real. That's the only way I'm willing to lynch her.
The amount of WIFOM DP dropped in the thread regarding his shot last night was fairly substantial, I personally don't believe he's actually a veteran but even if he is I don't think he should clarify that statement to make scum guess more. I have no idea what you're trying to say with the bolded part, do you actually think she's a vengeful townie?
On March 11 2024 08:35 Vivax wrote: It‘s also D3 and you‘re alive AND claimed vet to carry yourself further into the game.
I don‘t buy it.
More NK WIFOM, Koshi and Palmar are also alive
On March 11 2024 09:03 Vivax wrote: At least 2-3 mafia would be sticking to Oats here even with VE town. (Or TMI?)
WIFOM
This is absolutely terrible from you Vivax, let's play a scenario where DP is scum, why does he shoot TTS? He could have easily shot any of VE/Cake/DMB/TTS/or even Palmar and probably been able to reason his way out of it. You trying to get off the VE lynch right now, after wanting to lynch him OVER A RED CHECK yesterday is horrible. Question for the thread, if you were scum, would you rather have Oats for another day or VE? Even if Oats gets lynched the following day, you'd make that trade every time (not to pull a Vivax and assume what scum are thinking). Much more plausible scenario, scum didn't give Slam credit for his claim and paid the price, scum also didn't give DP credit for his claim and paid the price. Also JSL is still alive so if you really wanna play NK WIFOM, scum haven't really cared about people considered "confirmed" town either.
You talked me into this shit yesterday Vivax, that ain't happening this time. You've been useless with your role so far that you used to strong arm us into giving you mayor. I was pissed yesterday for the Oats shenanigans but that's also my fault for going along with it. Not making that mistake again. Between you, JSL, and DP you easily look the worst right now
On March 11 2024 09:50 DarthPunk wrote: What are you actually saying there MZ? are you calling vivax mafia?
Not right now because I haven't finished reading Rels, or JAT and I probably need to reread Palmar as well but he's been pushing anti town agendas for the last two cycles and been useless with his role so far so I'm getting suspicious of him.
On March 11 2024 09:54 iamperfection wrote: pretty sure he is calling him bad which i of course support in spirit but i thought a lot of the posts your referring too are trolling/joking. at least I thought they were.
I don't think he's joking, he even unvoted. He's still probably more bad than scum at the moment, it's just frustrating.
On March 11 2024 09:50 DarthPunk wrote: What are you actually saying there MZ? are you calling vivax mafia?
Not right now because I haven't finished reading Rels, or JAT and I probably need to reread Palmar as well but he's been pushing anti town agendas for the last two cycles and been useless with his role so far so I'm getting suspicious of him.
But you will later?
I don't think he can be by PoE if my current reads are correct, hence why I need to finish looking over some other people.
On March 11 2024 09:59 Vivax wrote: Mafia MZ lashes out in desperation at the unkillable protective mafia doesn't have the nuts to CC
Yes the useless protective who has done nothing but try to get us not to lynch a red check.
I'm gonna ignore Vivax from this point forward, hopefully we can win without needing him.
MZ YOU REALISE YOU TRIED TO NOT LYNCH THE SAME RED CHECK RIGHT??!?!
Yes I am very aware and Vivax played a gigantic role in swaying my thoughts on that matter so I'm extra pissed he's doing it again.
Did you miss the part where he wanted to lynch you and now he wants to lynch me? He's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks at this point, I can't help but view that as anti-town.
On March 04 2024 20:36 ToTheStars wrote: I don't think it's fair to say that I posted and then disappeared. I am not going to be playing mafia all day long. Don't expect me to post more than like 5-10 posts per 10-20 pages. Also I am not used to games with over 20 players so I'm likely going to put minimal effort until day 4 or 5, or whenever we get to a more manageable number of players (I'd say 11 living players is when I start really thriving).
I'm a he btw (because I saw somebuddy ask).
And I voted trfel because I didn't like their entrance. It felt a bit off tone-wise, like fake maybe. I am not even close to being convinced they are mafia, but where I come from you use votes to apply pressure, which allows you to develop reads better. I don't really have a grasp on the game right now or on the style of mafia you play here, so 90% of what has been posted so far sounds completely irrelevant to anyone's alignment, and tbh I'm kinda grasping at straws to have any sort of read (and still end up with extremely weak reads). But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.
I hate the last paragraph in particular. So much words to justify this weak vote. It looks like he's afraid to do something that might be suspicious and is asking permission
The rest of his filter is also nothing
Ok good start here, him calling out hesitancy is good.
On March 05 2024 04:42 Rels wrote: BTW I also think Vivax' claim was kind of stupid, but now that it's done, he 100% should be the mayor
Vivax dumb but should be mayor, pretty common sentiment.
On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
Defends VE against Iamp, interesting that he’s saying he doesn’t see the insecurity in VE while he does see the hesitancy in TTS.
On March 05 2024 04:42 iamperfection wrote: Alright we are getting off track. Humoring vivaxs delusions that he made a good play is a waste of time. You either think he is scum or town for that he did we aren't voting him mayor.
Let's talk about how useless ve has been. He also is running for mayor but his post seems insincere to me. I'm voting him
What post?
His running for mayor post
On March 04 2024 14:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Good morning everyone. It turns out I'm town for once so I apologize in advance for your own inability to read me and subsequent mislynch of me. I will endeavor to prevent it but I would do that as Mafia too so shrugz0rz.
I am running for mayor on a platform of lynching a lurker of my own choosing that is not subject to towns knowledge or influence.
A vote for VE is a vote for an active town.
Anyone who has posted so far is safe D1, for I am a kind and benevolent Lord.
Meh, I don't really see it. Not that I think it's townie, but I don't see the insecurity?
insincerity
As in he isn't really running for mayor
So the fact that he hasn't posted since his first spray of post? It makes him a lurker but I don't understand why it makes him scum
Another defense of VE He actually goes back and forth with sandroba and rayn here a bit on VE, the strangest part for me is that he doesn’t want to straight up townread VE, he just “doesn’t understand why VE is scum” He says DMB is the second worse filter after TTS.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
I can add a third, I thought those Trfel posts were bad too. If I remember right, it was his first posts too, it looked like scum hiding between technicality/setup discussion to participate.
I liked his posts going forward though, I think he's town now
So Trfel’s initial posts were scummy but now he’s town. It will be interesting to see where Rel’s vote ends up. Calls Koshi very townie
On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1.
ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?!
Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia.
SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
Not impressed at all by all those ve posts. He's probably not even in the bottom 5 activity wise then seem content to call himself a lurker with no opinion
"I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad" really? I have a hard time believing this. Can you list who is in that "everyone who's posted looks good" category?
Starts to evolve towards a scumread on VE. This is a full 7 hours after the initial discussions he had with rayn and sandroba.
He then makes 3 posts in a row to call Palmar scum, I’m gonna hold judgement of this until I’ve reread Palmar as well.
On March 06 2024 08:22 marvellosity wrote: Vote Trfel JAT
Same question for Trfel, any case? I liked what I saw from him at the beginning of the game
Still likes Trfel
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote: Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.
No red flags on JAT. Finishes the day at Palmar JAT No Trfel But his vote ends on JAT since nobody was on Palmar. At this point the vote was 8-5 for Trfel, only rayn was left on Palmar. I can’t really fault him for this because this was the same reason I ended up on JAT. Next he calls cake really townie Votes Oats
On March 05 2024 06:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: So VE posted a bunch of nothing...
What are you expecting rayn? I think most everyone who's posted looks good, most everyone who hasn't looks bad, and you know who I'd kill as mayor, but not who I'd vote to lynch. I'm not going to try and push a lurker lynch because that's fucking stupid as fuck, so I'm going to wait and see what lynch targets emerge. Right now I'm one of them, and I know I'm town, so if it comes to it I'd probably lynch the other guy but otherwise, I'll vote who I think looks worse of the candidates D1.
ERMAGERD AND YOU NEEDED ALL THAT SPELLED OUT RIGHT?!
Rayn isn't usually this dense, must be mafia.
SEE HAO FUCKING STUPID THAT SOUNDS RAYN!?!?!??
The rest of his filter is a whole lot of nothing. LOL at this too not strictly AI I don't think but it made me laugh
On March 06 2024 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: All right well, I guess I'll vote for Koshi as mayor since you guys are cowards and won't vote for me. Vivax claim makes him look super bad to me, pretty sure its NAI but I certainly don't believe the claim, he just wanted to be mayor. I don't think Vivax necessarily mafia, but I generally don't want him to be mayor either.
Koshi is calling for my head indirectly, but I think he town and I think he's a better mayor candidate generally speaking. Maybe posting this will put me at 4 pages and out of the range of his wrath.
On March 06 2024 04:39 VisceraEyes wrote: And I'm officially at 4 pages. Good night sweet prince.
Suddenly Rels is agreeing with Rayn about VE’s tone. This is probably the biggest discrepancy in Rel’s filter so far and it’s especially suspect since he starts to come around after VE makes it abundantly clear he’s not going to be helping the town much this game. Several people had keyed in on this early but Rels did that weird soft defense thing where he refused to call VE town but called into question the people who were bringing up valid points. TR’s Marv, DP, CC, Marv again (lol), Koshi, and probably me and JAT Calls cake town again Like Iamp’s post calling VE, TTS, and Palmar scum Not a fan of DMB Once again, scum team of Palmar, TTS, VE, Oats Koshi supertown
On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote: Happy about that one
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
Ok now we’re at a post I really hated and pinged me hard. After not really being around and contributing to the conversation about Oat, Rels jumps in a quotes himself to try and show he was scumreading Oats early, no townie feels the need to draw attention to this sort of thing, and if we look back through the rest of Rel’s regular scumreads, it’s only ever been Palmar and VE (after he evolved his read).
On March 09 2024 12:34 Rels wrote: Happy about that one
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
On March 05 2024 03:59 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:47 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 03:45 Rels wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
Wait do you not know that there is only 1 vote for day 1 and that’s for the mayor
I know that's a super early post (that's actually the earliest post in my "opened waiting to be revisited" tabs). I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't like it
Like, it can originate from 2 situations: town having not read the OP, or scum faking this to appear like a town having not read the OP
If it comes from town, I don't understand how you can say something as assertive as "Wait do you not know that there is X" when you should know you. I know I would never write something like this without checking it a few times and making sure I'm right
If it comes from scum, I can see it. That just means he played the "I'm clueless" card, and made a mistake by pushing it a little too hard
Does the rest of his play change anything?
No, what do you think of him?
I don't understand his read on CopCake - at 2 points in the thread we had exact opposites view her play. When she was posting tea party fluff, I thought it was pure NAI and he thought it was scummy. When she pushed DP, I thought she was scummy and he thought she looked better. I don't understand why he thought CC looked better
Yes yes RELS, I remember your early distancing from oats. Thanks for the reminder.
LOL Please read me past scum games to see how I treat my teammates If TTS really is mafia, I had an awesome D1 for once
Maybe a little self congratulatory TMI here?
On March 09 2024 13:12 Rels wrote: I'm happy that a scum flipped, and I'm fucking happy one of the first things I found in this game turned out to be right when nobody else saw it
Keeps scrambling for that town cred
On March 10 2024 12:43 Rels wrote: Also. I caught TTS D1 (yes I know, I must have been distancing ... lol)
Pat yourself on the back again. So in my mind, scum has probably known VE is a lost cause since D2, hence why I still have suspicions about individuals who pushed for VE over Oats yesterday. With that said, the refusal to call VE town while weirdly defending him really sticks out to me in Rel’s filter, and then after it becomes clear lots of people are scumreading VE he jumps right in. He’s also got a lot of townreads which is easy for scum, he’s strangely single tracked on Palmar and VE being scum. Despite not listing TTS or Oats in any of his regular reads lists (he does include Oats in one after Oats got red checked lol), he’s more than happy to jump up and claim credit in the one or two posts where he mentions he finds them suspicious. Lastly, he’s been tunneling Palmar since D1, but today he’s just silently hopped on the VE wagon with not a peep about his biggest scum read… maybe he forgot about that because here:
On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote: This isn’t a democracy
I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS
I think these people are town
DP Vivax Jealous Palmar Cc Jsl Iamp Koshi Slam
Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town.
I think we have the exact same list if Jealous is swapped for JAT. Why Jealous?
He agrees with Marv that Palmar, the player he’s been going after all game, is town.
I think Rels is my missing scum, I feel a lot more comfortable Palmar is town now since aside from VE, Rels hasn’t actually gone after anyone I would consider scum, instead he’s TR’d lots of people and tried to claim credit on the flipped scum so far.
Oh shoot I left out the part about DMB, he throws shade her several times, has her listed as possible scum, but doesn't really do much else about it, if I had to guess, he's lining up for a DMB mislynch at some point down the line if he is never able to get a Palmar train going.
On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote: Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is
On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote: Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is
On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote: @Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling
On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote: @Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling
On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote: So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things. Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis. die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit. CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night. JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to. Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid. ToTheStars - lurker VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE? Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view
hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum?
On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote: Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam?
If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off.
Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point.
Uh, the mafia team did, town didnt do anything.
That game was why I had suspicions of Marv but I didn't want to bring it up here to justify my read.
I'd rather not talk about that game anymore and I'd prefer if you didn't either, if you're town you should have more than just that game to back you up.
On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote: Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam?
If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off.
Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point.
Uh, the mafia team did, town didnt do anything.
That game was why I had suspicions of Marv but I didn't want to bring it up here to justify my read.
I'd rather not talk about that game anymore and I'd prefer if you didn't either, if you're town you should have more than just that game to back you up.
But why is DP is allowed to say “cake last game did this and this and this”?
I haven't played in 10 months, I have no idea if there was another game DP was referring to. I think that enough things have happened in the game we're currently playing for me to be scumreading you without going back in time.
This game is going to be extremely hard if townies are gonna self-vote, I feel like that's playing against your wincon. I absolutely hate martyring so pointlessly. I think that was still 100% the right lynch.
And now we're gonna have to solve the copcake problem since she did exactly the same thing. She voted herself and peaced out when the vote was 7-4 with VE in the lead. Her vote made it 6-5, still with VE in the lead. She showed no problems with leaving her vote on randos the previous two days, and if she was scum, she had a safe place to park her vote on VE or a rando as nobody would have scumread her any harder than they already were for voting to save herself. Now granted, she didn't hammer herself, the closest she ever got was 7-6 against her 2 hours later. So, did town!cake just rage quit in the exact same manner that VE did? Or did scum!cake take a gamble, not realizing how close it was going to get? If it's the second option, Rel's desperation to save her pretty much guarantees him as scum in my eyes, but I still don't know if I can wrap my head around scum!cake doing that because the vote is so close I'd argue that's pretty close to intentionally throwing. Or maybe it's all #bigplays that I'm too stupid to understand.
I have a decent amount of thread to fully catch up on after just skimming to get through it, I focused more on the voting thread to try and figure out wtf both VE and cake were doing. I'm not surprised to see there were more shenanigans by certain people. I will also have a go at reading VE's filter although idk if there's much of a point.
On March 07 2024 11:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Mafia inside Marv/Oats/Jake/Cake and mix in a couple of hiding lurkers. Dealers choice. I think the game ends in town victory, even if you lot lynch me tomorrow.
I'm sorry I couldn't give this game the time it deserves, my weekend starts tomorrow so I'll at least fight my lynch if I live the night.
Good luck urybody.
His early reads
He scumreads Koshi and townreads the mayor and scumreads palmar
Says he would have read iamp, me, and copcake but stopped bc he found scum...... But he does say he's gonna push copcake hard and hopes she's scum Instead he votes palmar and then himself Gets pissed off and leaves.
I honestly don't if there's anything worth taking away here, he said he scumread cake but obviously not hard enough to save himself. I think that's what irritates me the most. Like he was scumreading the other wagon but self voted when people didn't jump at Palmar, I think that's playing against your wincon. Cake at least said she was townreading VE and refused to vote for him. There's not much else in there, if anyone else wants to check it out be my guest but I feel like at this point we all should have read his filter at least twice.
I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk?
On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote: Why am I town, Koshi?
Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia...
DmB I have a meta townread on you, I'm not going to argue against people who say you haven't done much to help out but I'm gonna tell them I think you're a mislynch waiting to happen.
That's what Koshi felt about cake, and for what it's worth after the shenanigans of yesterday I actually kinda find myself agreeing with him.
Sometimes to solve games like this, at some point you have to accept someone else's read is more correct on a person, I wouldn't call Koshi scum for TRing you based on my read, just expedient to try and narrow down the pool of people he has to analyze. If I'm wrong about you dmb and you win as scum, I'll take my ridicule post game.
On March 13 2024 00:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have to fly tonight, I apologize for my activity but flying takes huge chunks out of my schedule. I will try and be around on my phone this morning and get started on a reread of Palmar. Anything is on the table rn with the VE flip and my current lack of conviction on cake.
The suspicion on Palmar also reminds me, we never heard from a Mason the whole of D3 so I'm guessing scum got it and just didn't want to talk?
How would knowing who had the mason chat helping us do find scum? It is random could be T chat with M or T with T or M with M...
If you're town and you get whispered there's absolutely zero reason not to share with the town what happens in it. More information is always helpful. If you're a townie and you are the whisperer you should also share who you whispered and also why you did it. I whispered Palmar to try and solidify my reads of him. That didn't work out as planned but I still tried to share whatever info I got with the town.
There is no reason not to share with the town and hiding information only serves to make both people look bad.
On March 12 2024 21:14 CopCake wrote: Why am I town, Koshi?
Same reason here. He just give me Townreads because of MZ You get Townreads without any explanation from him. There are always reason why you Townread somebody. That hole Koshi thing in this game just feels like a bit lazy mafia...
DmB I have a meta townread on you, I'm not going to argue against people who say you haven't done much to help out but I'm gonna tell them I think you're a mislynch waiting to happen.
That's what Koshi felt about cake, and for what it's worth after the shenanigans of yesterday I actually kinda find myself agreeing with him.
Sometimes to solve games like this, at some point you have to accept someone else's read is more correct on a person, I wouldn't call Koshi scum for TRing you based on my read, just expedient to try and narrow down the pool of people he has to analyze. If I'm wrong about you dmb and you win as scum, I'll take my ridicule post game.
As scum, I wouldn't question a townread about me, no matter who it was from, but as a town I have to. Especially when it comes from Koshi. Of the last 3 games, I didn't get a single townread from him, no matter what I was.
OK that's fair, was he town or scum when he was calling you scum?
Also I'm very sure I was part of a push to mislynch you in your first game and now I'm townreading you for very similar play, Koshi could be willing to listen to me because he's also learned your meta a bit.
I think that's all I'll say on this for now, I don't wanna put words in Koshi's mouth and it's definitely your right to be suspicious of him.
On March 12 2024 02:08 CopCake wrote: I should have quoted with the strikes but yeah, phone posting.
Where is DMB?
Btw if you're town, remember your logic here in the post game.
Because it is strictly the incorrect way to play mafia. Vote count analysis is about the most useless thing you can do.
I'm not gonna argue about it now, but if you think someone is mafia, you should go read their filter and find out why they're mafia for what they said. Ideas like the one you have here is just bad play.
This is a great catch
On March 13 2024 06:44 iamperfection wrote: Meapak have you come to a conclusion on palmar?
I’ll do that after I finish catching up, sorry been swamped.
On March 12 2024 23:22 Palmar wrote: Starting some work:
For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much.
He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia.
In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game.
I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work.
Damn so you start looking into your reads and suddenly they're town can't find anything because maybe you're mafia?
Also Koshi's more than happy making complete 180 on various people without much backing it up and without using mason chat is mad sus ngl. Wonder if they're getting on a potential Palmer bus early.
To be clear, you’re looking at a scum read of both Palmar and Koshi? Do you really think scum would be bussing Palmar already?
On March 13 2024 07:36 Koshi wrote: If I would have masoned anybody. I would have masoned MZ and try to work the game out with him and see what would have happened. But I simply cba to do outside stuff and only really considered it today and somewhere once during the 48 day phase.
Believe it or not.
Wish you had
On March 13 2024 08:04 iamperfection wrote: If cop is town rels has to be town I would think right? Such an uncessary play if otherwise?
I am tryinig to work through the logic of Rels doing what he did as either alignment, it does draw so much attention to yourself. Especially since I thought about the game/stuff from D3’s lynch a fair bit while I was at work, I think I’m becoming more convinced she’s town again. But I don’t want to clear Rels just based off that.
On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote: For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC MZ DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia.
This list is terrible and not just for the OMGUS factor, these people are lynchbait at this point and the fact that you are using this to defend Palmar is pinging me immediately. Also I very much disagree with the characterization of Koshi’s play.
On March 13 2024 09:06 JacobStrangelove wrote: I mean my two big cases this game have been Koshi and palmer and I think they're together if so
Ok this is the second post you’ve made about this, I’ll be really interested to chat about this turbo bus theory.
On March 13 2024 09:11 iamperfection wrote: If i understand the game correctly mafia have to RB vivax and shoot either DP or Jacob. If something other then that happens reassess. If i die really reassess. My updated what i think posting now as i have to do something and might not be back before deadline so just in case a weird kill happens.
Iamperfection innocent child. More townie then even those confirmed by mechanics
JacobStrangelove Only way to be scum would be if he and DP were scum together which I consider to be almost impossible.
DarthPunk He is town. Way too invested. The shoot mafia partner theory I put at less then .02 %
Vivax He town. His insane muck up the thread that nobody with half a brain on mafia team would buy just posting too much no reason to doubt the claim.
die_meatbaby - I think there are just some posts that show a tiny bit of critical thinking. Don’t think they would be capable of that as mafia.
justanothertownie- Eh hard to say has some overly deffensive posts which suggest a scum mindset. Post #5588 stands out to me as being overly deffensive. Post 5525 is a list post which reaches no conclusion so not sure why it would be posted. Possible scum but i dont feel that strong about it. More recently had some posts where he was trying to figure stuff out I guess. Don’t feel too strong here.
Meapak_Ziphh- I guess its possible to be scum but i dont know i think i can understand his posting especially at the time of the lynch in what he was doing. Also remembered the cake thing when i asked. Also some aggresiveness in his posting
Rels- I kind of like the callout of jealous he had recently and also his analysis of what happened with DMB right at the deadline so possibly town. If cop is mafia ballsy play and if town seems unnecessary to me. i think possibly town.
Jealous- I had a weird feels ever since he returned to the game. I thought his posting right after the flip was weird he goes I hate you all then extends an olive branch? I feel like I cant read this guy though.
CopCaketried to cheat so town. For you dummies that don’t read the thread brought information that rayn was laughing at the post confirming he was having said good time at a point when people were trying to determine his alignment. Fuck my cheating analysis scratch all that the late voting seems awfully suspicious to me as it seemed almost like a scum that wasn’t following the game state voted the wrong person and then had to move it back to scum. Plus the majority of posting is just half baked conspiracy theories also was right around posting for the lynch but then disappears for the flip like come on. Almost seems like a mission failed we’ll get them next time to me scum. I still think its possible to be mafia. keeps on bringing up irrelevant stuff like oats wanted to make trfel mafia which i dont understand why that would ping to anyone.
Koshi - The way he handled the whisperer is so bizarre to me. What rayn did is what i expect a town member to do. his posting recently seems depressed which I don’t understand why. The recent the lynch tomorrow is koshi or palmar almost feels like a play to me. I haven't really felt koshis presence this game.
Palmar I really think marv is being clouded by meta here. His posts don’t make sense to me and he doesn’t appear to be scum hunting. Tunneled Rayn for no reason despite rayn being obvious town imo and ignored any evidence. Has no time but was able to waste time making a fake case on dead rayn. Calls me mafia devoid of any reasoning. I don’t buy the drunk posting either. I don’t see scum hunting I see mafia. I feel like if you look at his town games he tends to more aggressive with people and confrontational. Jacob has some great points some better then others especially palmar voting for ve over oats especially when palmar has been lecturing about proper ways to play. I also think he somewhat broke the veil when we had our bromance moment about playing to win. Both Koshi and palmar have the thoughts this game is now a new mini almost feels like the pep talk they gave themselves after losing two mafia in the same cycle.
So you’ve got the same bus theory that JSL has? I think you’re probably wrong about CC but your jrealous bit is making me want to reread him when I’m done catching up
On March 12 2024 15:09 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah mafia is Palmer, Koshi, easy not sure on last
Cc is town because playing so drastically against win con as scum when you know ve is town is dumb.
It was scummy before but now we know VE is town Cc is town.
I wonder. Now that VE flipped ]scum, her insistence on calling VE town looks like TMI to me If CopCake is scum, then DMB has to be town too. That's the 2 players she's treated as confirmed town throughout the last day
Flipped scum? Weird mistake there. You went really hard in the paint to save her yesterday and all these posts of hers were out there in the open, sure VE’s alignment was not yet known, but why put herself in danger to save a townie? The more I think about her play from yesterday the more I think she’s town (despite hating the way she played). This is a weak angle and it’s made even worse by the fact that you were responsible for saving her.
@Rels regarding my case on you, honestly dude, yes I missed the 2 two line posts you made suddenly clearing Palmar for dumbtelling. Your other two posts were asking Marv about it and simply saying “I don’t think it does.” I apologize for missing this as I was on like hour 9 of reading the thread that day. It was easy to miss amongst post #2451, #2462, #2474, #2479, #2508, #2546, #2583, #2586, #3733, #3795 #3961, #4182, #4697. I almost think it’s worse now that after all that pressure, you clear him for a “dumbtell” And now this is your response to all the pressure in the thread on Palmar currently:
On March 13 2024 10:29 Rels wrote: Meh Despite all the good arguments, I really don't think Palmar dumbtells twice in the same post Maybe that's stupid and I'll look stupid, but that's too much
On March 13 2024 10:36 Rels wrote: Kind of lost I think the arguments on Koshi, but I still think he's town every time I read a posting spree from him. If he's scum, he really upped his level and motivation If I had to settle on a team right now, it would be CopCake / Jealous / Probably MZ. I would have to revisit MZ because his D2 looked really fucking townie to me DMB is town by association from CopCake in that scenario
You. Voted. To. Save. Copcake. Wtf You literally said:
On March 12 2024 10:43 Rels wrote: I think CopCake is town
Ok I’m on 364, gonna post this now so it’s not one massive all of text and I need to take a quick break so this doesn’t become another Rels analysis since I just spent like half an hour in his filter.
On March 13 2024 11:26 Vivax wrote: He’s treating her as confscum doesn’t make sense at all
I'm not. CopCake is definitely not conf scum the way I thought VE was yesterday. But yeah, she's my strongest scumread
Let me atone for my sins ? Sounds like confscum coming from you.
Why do I think you are lying but town ?
This was just a jab towards me persuading iamperfection to switch yesterday, nothing to read there otherwise
Or you are exploiting that DP wanted CC lynched so we don’t hit mafia in Mz and jealous ?
If CC is town, I think I can make the case that I'm confirmed town by anyone that knows perfectly how I work as scum IE only me probably lol. But I can probably back it up with screenshots with some past scum chat if it comes to that
VE in the game is always a free mislynch. No way he survives until the end of the game. He can and should be kept alive for as long as possible, it's impossible that he's not lynched at some point. CopCake is far from that. As scum, in the position of yesterday, I would never push for a VE lynch. CC being lynched was a way better scenario
Little TMI on her flip methinks? And that second paragraph is just massive WIFOM. Rel’s flip from literally calling CC town yesterday to immediately trying to lynch her today is unbelievable and reinforcing my opinion she is town.
Ok I'm caught up, I'll tackle that reread of Palmar now.
I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof.
On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote: God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight.
On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote: As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him.
MZ bad but haven’t read him
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote: I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn jat rels mz tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax trfel hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp marv jealous copcake slam ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro oats dp dmb jls koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.
I’m in his mafia category
On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote: Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere.
MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category
On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote: MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him.
More MZ not great
On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote: There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve
MZ again
On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote: I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative
On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote: Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two?
Lol this doesn't matter for now.
To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia.
But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed.
We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc.
Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game.
I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.
The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown.
Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT?
MZ with a big old question mark
On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote: By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp jls koshi cc dmb vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous iamp rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat mz ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to.
Oh boy guess who’s scum again
On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote: Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read.
I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game.
I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow.
Yes I am aware that's one massive OMGUS, no I do not care. Palmar's read of me is manufactured to match thread sentiment and allow him to get behind my mislynch if it ever develops. Good night.
I'm home, had a shit day so I really don't have the energy to jump into filters right now, especially since I've already found 1 scum at minimum this cycle. I'll hang around the thread and play some league if people want my opinions on anything just ask.
On March 14 2024 12:27 DarthPunk wrote: Perfection do you think cake and palmar can be partnered?
I dont think its impossible.
Cop is more just confounding. I dont understand the way they think at all. I think cop is more likely to be town the palmar though.
What is the team then?
Palmar- Jat -Dmb like koshi said?
with palmar bussing Jat since the start of the game and Jat also bussing Palmar and then hard town reading him?
I dont think dmb
Palmar jat then maybe jealous/rels/meapak?
Perfection on my read through last night I recall you were on board with Jacob's theory that Palmar/Rels were turbo busing, watching Rels suddenly drop his "palmar wouldn't dumbtell" bit and go hard after him these last few pages, do you think that's still a possibility?
I'm ngl it's thrown me for a bit of a loop, I opened Rel's filter for a bit and then realized I didn't feel like doing that much reading tonight so I'm curious of your thoughts.
On March 14 2024 12:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I just got put in the fucking league AFK queue bc I was reading the thread. I'm absolutely not reading filters tonight.
For due diligence, I shall reread JAT, my biggest memory is liking him less than Trfel D1 and the fact that that's my only memory is a bad sign to begin with.
I would also really love to know what DMB and Jealous are doing with those votes rn, we're a little too far into the game for folks to be parking votes on nonviable lynches.
On March 15 2024 00:41 Koshi wrote: I do not believe iamp is mafia But CC/MZ/JAT
I kinda like it in a world Palmar isnt mafia.
I'm having a hard time seeing that world, but I'm more worried about you starting to see CC as mafia again, have you not read any of her posts this cycle?
On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote: For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC MZ DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia.
We're gonna keep this post as a sticky not because A) it's one of very few where JAT gives reads abd B) he's gonna contradict it later on
On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote: Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
What's funny is for once I actually agree with the mayor, I now know why I haven't really paid attention to JAT since D1 and it's because 90% of his 20 page filter is one liners talking about the state of the game and literally no reads. Like zero reads. He'll occasionally say things like "so and so didn't look good for that." I don't remember if it was DP or iamp who said it but all JAT does is play thread police and not much else.
Like I'm truly shocked at the lack of scum hunting in there.
Similar to Palmar, he's more active now because he's under the gun (I'm frustrated people are so easily dismissing Palmar right now, the level of lazines he's outwardly admitting in the thread almost makes me feel like he's playing terrible on purpose to show that he can't get lynched and laugh about it post game).
I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist.
Jealous: People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later.
He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago.
Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks!
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop.
The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing.
So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh.
Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff.
To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry.
This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different:
On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this.
I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy.
and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy
Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia.
Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have.
With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something?
On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote: So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example.
Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis.
Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam.
He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else:
On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone read post on MZ
I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too.
However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam.
And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night.
I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better.
Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip.
Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to.
Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that?
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again?
This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia. He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now.
More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election:
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances.
My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts.
JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position?
So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote: [quote] Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances.
My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts.
JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position?
So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth.
I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town.
I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads.
I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting.
I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ?
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing.
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads.
You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort.
It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile...
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy.
Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this:
On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.
So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing.
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT.
Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote: She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then.
Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair.
Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel. And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier.
He doesn't actually call Jealous scum, even after people are yelling at him to provide reads he doesn't even come up with an alignment for Jealous, just hedges his bets in case the people who called Jealous suspicious decide to fire up a wagon there.
On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote: Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
Fuck off to whom though
Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now.
"Compromise on Jealous"??? But you didn't come up with an alignment when you analyzed him, all you said was "if he's scum he's doing a good job." Like come on.
The next person he analyzes is me and ends up deciding I'm town.
So out of his only reads list in the game, he's now good with lynching someone who was not on there and he analyzed inconclusively, and he's found a townread of myself.
Nothing on DMB, nothing on CC. Also continuing to hold on to DMB/CC as scum reads at this point is pretty terrible too.
I think the only point in JAT's favor right now is that he hasn't gone the easy road and scumread Palmar to save himself although that only increases the odds in my eyes that they could be scum together. This feels like a much shorter analysis while writing it compared to Rels or even Palmar but the fact is there just isn't much in JAT's filter which is pretty damning in of itself to get to D4 without having actually analyzed anything. I had an open spot for the last scum that I hadn't figured out between Jealous and JAT, I'm pretty comfortable giving it to JAT at this point.
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong.
Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle.
##Vote: Jealous
^ There's my proof that I'm town.
lmao
I agree that this stuff is absurdly frustrating to play with, especially in a gigantic thread but I just don't see scum voting for themselves like CC does when VE was right there. Even her wanting to die today just sounds more like frustrated martyring townie than anything else. Unless CC is scum with exactly Palmar/JAT and she's trying not to get them lynched it makes absolutely zero sense.
Because then why would she have voted herself instead of continuing to TR VE yesterday. I know you all hate Cake's play and I do too but some of you (looking at you DP and Koshi) just need to move on from this and try to solve the game in a world where cake is town.
I will admit, something Palmar said earlier did catch my eye and if he's scum it means nothing but in the very small chance he's not, he did point out DMB has basically disappeared today. I don't know if that's bc of the mason chat or what but between that and her current vote it does give me a little pause.
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong.
Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle.
##Vote: Jealous
^ There's my proof that I'm town.
Actually I just realized you're one of the people I noticed was straggler voting when I woke up.
On March 13 2024 08:32 justanothertownie wrote: For the record - I think we should look into this pool for lynch tomorrow (no particular order):
CC MZ DMB
+ potentially Koshi (he fell off pretty badly since day1, maybe scum Koshi running out of juice? Could & should easily turn up the heat if he is town so some pressure here could be worth it)
I am not feeling the Palmar lynch/I don't think he is mafia.
We're gonna keep this post as a sticky not because A) it's one of very few where JAT gives reads abd B) he's gonna contradict it later on
On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote: Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
What's funny is for once I actually agree with the mayor, I now know why I haven't really paid attention to JAT since D1 and it's because 90% of his 20 page filter is one liners talking about the state of the game and literally no reads. Like zero reads. He'll occasionally say things like "so and so didn't look good for that." I don't remember if it was DP or iamp who said it but all JAT does is play thread police and not much else.
Like I'm truly shocked at the lack of scum hunting in there.
Similar to Palmar, he's more active now because he's under the gun (I'm frustrated people are so easily dismissing Palmar right now, the level of lazines he's outwardly admitting in the thread almost makes me feel like he's playing terrible on purpose to show that he can't get lynched and laugh about it post game).
But back to JAT,
On March 14 2024 22:30 justanothertownie wrote:
On February 22 2024 14:27 Grackaroni wrote: Players
I'll start from the top and immediately ignore the first 2 entries. In both cases there is a 0.01 % chance that they are mafia but reading their filters is just not worth it for different reasons. I am not a masochist.
Jealous: People really like his first list post - I will not quote it here since it would bloat this post because he said Hapa was town and that I would not go against Vivax mayor campaign. I think both of these things can easily be done by mafia. Especially since he is not applying this logic consistently as can be seen in his treatment of CC later.
He is also not consistent in the way he goes about the 2 day1 claims:
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
Look at the Sandro case I posted a little while ago.
Yea, I keep forgetting to refresh after writing something and before I ask for stuff. Saw several posts on the previous page, gonna re-read them again. Thanks!
On March 05 2024 04:04 Vivax wrote: So maybe I just have to accept the fact that if rayn and iamp are actually town like I had in mind earlier, they prefer to annoy the hell out of you instead of actually finding scum and cause a massive unhelpful distraction that makes me reconsider their alignments.
Either way, not helpful.
I still want to kill Trfel. That's where my head is at. Going to hedge on sandro. VE/MZ worth looking into more deeply imo.
But Trfel first. I'm not going to repeat the mistake of trying to kill multples.
i am 100% with you. rayn marv tfrel can die. We shouldn't do tfrel first.
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote: [quote]Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.
If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.
The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad. But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan. Look smart. But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.
I don't like it at all.
I think this is the second? comment about it, first being my rayn if I remember correctly.
Why the "Trfl looks smart" a bad thing?
Last game here, he was on fire and caught all the mafia team.
If you feel like that, pressure him to give you a list of players.
Because he looks smart on a set-up topic. As mafia it is harder to look good doing actual scumhunting, seeing somebody play sub optimal in a set-up way and make a conversation about that is way easier. You know you have the upper ground. During that conversation he doesn't make any other posts interrogating people or does he try to solve the game. He is content to just talk setup with somebody.
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I liked this, no fluff beyond the first post straight into it with two questions.
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:16 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:14 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: hbd Trfel,
I'm thinking of running for mayor, we haven't had mayor elections in a looong time (or I haven't played in a game with mayor elections in a long time).
May I ask, why should we vote for you as mayor?
Well first off I didn't say pregame I'd vote for Palmar and then change my mind once the game started.
Secondly I don't think I've ever been a mayor before.
Thirdly I pledge to make my personal lynch a town lynch and will select whoever is the second in votes at the end of the day.
Seems like an easy way to avoid the responsibility of the results of said lynch, no?
And I don't understand why saying pregame that you would vote for Palmar and then changing your mind is a reason we should make you mayor?
I was making a joke about Vivax saying he was going to autovote Palmar pregame and then immediately changed his mind.
Imo the Mayor KP is town KP, not a oneshot Day vig. It's not about avoiding responsibility it's about giving the town a chance to pull a 2for1 on D1.
Actually I'll cement that point, if I'm not going to win the mayor vote at the end of the day, I'm not going to vote for someone who hasn't also pledged to have the town decide the lynch.
I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?
I also agreed with this top two wagons has basically always been town in games i've played. basically his entire first page filter seems town ish this is where it kinda goes ary.
On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote: I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.
but in the sense doubling down on calling someone town doesn't seem like mafia play. It's ironically too suspicious. Like not having scum reads and seeing everyone as town is kinda how mafia is (despite it being the basis of my entire town play)
Admitedly his second page of his filter peters out a bit he's mostly commeting on other people in mild ways but to me it seems the entire reason people would even consider him mafia is based on past play which I've never experienced. I'm not seeing anything obviously jump out at me as being mafia play.
For me, everything tfrel says to MZ is just plain logic. He is right that killing the second wagon is easy, he is right that the second wagon is often town. He is having this safe conversation with MZ, who he will eventually not scumread. II feel tfrel is showing activity on a safe topic as mafia. While town!tfrel would be more likely to be out there finding mafia and sticking his neck out.
He was more townie for me in the previous game because he was more involved, more in the spotlight. This game he isn't doing that, and I don't like that.
On March 05 2024 02:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oatsmaster - probs town DarthPunk - townish Vivax - town sandroba - town Trfel - unsure, seems slightly off for me from town game marvellosity - town Jealous - not posted Meapak_Ziphh - townish Palmar - not posted justanothertownie - not posted die_meatbaby - town CopCake - null, maybe teeny tiny bit townish perhaps? JacobStrangelove - weird, cant make a read on him Hapahauli - not posted Iamperfection - town Koshi - meh, useless ToTheStars - would like to see more, read on trfel sounds townish VisceraEyes - scummy, useless Rels - useless Alakaslam - town
This is so bad. Tfrel asked rayn many questions. rayn sheepingly answered them without counter pressure between the "to clean comment" and this list. I don't buy that he would be this lazy as town. And VE. Mafia favorite misslynch of choice. Of course.
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
So, if I understood correctly, in summary Trfel is scum according to Koshi because:
1. He focused on dissecting a set-up/meta topic instead of actually doing scumhunting when talking to MZ. 2. A potential rayn x Trfel team based on their exchange. 3. Inconsistency between their behavior in this game and the previous game. "Underwhelming."
Okay, I can buy it. Nothing too solid on anyone else anyway and it's D1. Still would have preferred rayn or Slam IMO, but there is plenty of scum out there and no traction on either of those, so Trfel it can be. Going to look at Trfel's filter next and evaluate further.
Can someone tell me stuff about JAT while I do that? Again, I really don't see how a scum!JAT puts their neck on the line against the Vivax for mayor campaign, but maybe I'm just dumb.
The only thing that bugs me when you write is that you actually go and look so hard into Slam well knowing he claimed cop.
The only natural reaction would be 'meh, self-resolving' yet you still seem to believe there's something to be found and worth pursuing.
So if he flips mafia at some point it'd make you look worse tbh.
Ooh, I guess I didn't catch that; my bad on that. My eyes must have glazed over while reading his word salad, plus there is the issue of CopCake's name making that word not stand out as much as it probably should have (and sometimes being abbreviated as CC and sometimes not). Will go dive into that after I catch up on the JAT stuff.
To be clear, if Alakaslam claimed cop role and there were no counter-claims by anyone, then yea, not gonna lynch him D1. If I can't get a read on him then that means that I can't really have much conviction in the fact that he is fake-claiming. Better safe than sorry.
This looks like an overexplanation to me. I mean of course it is different since he said he was scumreading slam but you can at this point just say - he claimed so he is town until cc. With Vivax it is really different:
On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:
On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:
On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote: Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this.
I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy.
and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy
Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia.
Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have.
With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something?
On March 07 2024 03:58 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 03:55 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 07 2024 03:43 Jealous wrote: So QED CopCake, even if town, is being more of a hindrance than a beneficial force.
The same was true for Vivax yesterday - did you push him for it? And that is only one example.
Disagree, with the KP claim I basically had to assume he had to be town because a gambit of that level as scum just seems too insane/suicidal. So, I have to operate on the logic that Vivax is town and try to find scum instead. If things don't improve with him as mayor/"KP" long-term, then I'll have to consider abandoning my hypothesis.
Seems like he is struggling a bit to justify getting off slam.
He also never questioned the Oats lynch and lauded MZ for trying to shut down anything else:
On March 07 2024 23:15 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 20:45 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 07 2024 15:05 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 14:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Everyone read post on MZ
I didn't like some of MZ's earlier posts. I too wished they had explained their TRs in that most recent list, and an explanation for the CopCake flip would have been great, too.
However, I really like this immediate jump on CopCake for being so insistent on grilling Alakaslam.
And none of that really changes anything for me for this cycle as of now, so yea, good night.
I disagree completely. Why is it protown to shut down discussion about the claimant and the check? Are we supposed to all just park our vote for 72 hours and go afk? To me what CopCake did here is objectively 100 % the correct way to approach this. It is lazy and not town oriented to go after this. I think it says more about MZs alignment than CCs but the tendency is exactly the opposite of what you are saying in my opinion. It makes MZ look really bad and CC slightly better.
Because as I see it, there is only one correct answer for how to approach this cycle and lynch, and spending so much effort grilling Slam about it is just trying to sow seeds of chaos for no reason, which only serves to benefit our only scum flip.
Thus, the fact that MZ jumped in and tried to shut that shit down looks good on them. I would say that about anyone who did that. MZ really sunk their teeth into it, too - even though they probably didn't have to.
Perhaps I am missing something; is there any world you see where we don't lynch Oats? What would need to happen for that to be the case, what would be the town's collective reasoning for that?
On March 07 2024 20:52 justanothertownie wrote: I still think Oats is quite towny btw. - also in his reaction to the check. Still 100 % the lynch today but it would not surprise me if he flipped Miller.
Okay, glad I remembered to keep reading before responding. However, if that is what your opinion is, I guess I don't understand seeing Cop in a favorable light when they claim to not see a world where Slam was scum in the first place but chose to grill Slam anyway. Is this a person who just doesn't understand how the game works at all, or is it just a scummy player doing scummy things yet again?
This might be bias, but compare it to how Koshi just did basically the same thing but in a more productive way. I do have to say that I am surprised that he is approaching the topic from this angle at all, but the way he is doing it is way better than just repeating "WHY OATS SLAM?!?" and then looking like you don't understand that there is a small chance that Oats is Miller or Slam is being a madman scum.
Like I already said, while lynching oats was always the correct thing to do as town here. I fully expect most of the mafia players to not make themselves look bad by trying to derail. Especially not newer mafia players like Jealous who might be uncomfortable playing mafia. He also had this weird interactions with Oats where he made listposts of Oats reads. More odd than scummy tbh. but why do that for Oats and not other people? They only had some very superficial interactions apart from that where Jealous was asking oats "where are you at? who is mafia?". Lost that post right now.
More egregious is however how different he treats me and CC. He is basically harddefending me at times for being against the Vivax mayor election:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:
On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:
On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote: I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible. There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.
Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.
The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed
It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.
I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example
Are you still lock town on trfel btw?
Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.
I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.
This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.
I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances.
My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts.
JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote: Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board. The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?
The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position?
So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
On March 07 2024 08:57 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:36 Vivax wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:25 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 07:30 Vivax wrote:
On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:
On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote: [quote]
I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances.
My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts.
JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi.
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The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia.
I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position?
So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
He highly praises Sandro for something that is strictly a JAT case, then votes Trfel because of claim wifom. There's going to be mafia that just mayored the claim, and mafia that didn't or even fought it. Hard truth.
I mean, I explained why I thought that even though sandroba's push against JAT reflects well on sandroba, I still find it too outlandish to vote JAT over Trfel who was just largely absent. If the options are JAT and Trfel and the people I townread are pushing for these two, I'm not going to pick someone else? If Trfel indeed flipped scum and I didn't vote for them at this juncture, would look pretty stupid and would make town waste a lot of time making a case against someone who I know is town (me). That's not in my best interest as town.
I guess in theory I could have tried to push harder for CopCake/rayn but there was no traction there and in the end they are just an "I can't understand this person"/D1 read, respectively. So, not much motivation to try and disrupt plans laid out by my strongest townreads.
I don't think it was as clearly cut as you put it. I believe that anyone fighting for Trfel to be lynched in the end has a massively high probabiliy to be town while scum was mostly absent after parking. It indicates that they at least believed in what they were voting.
I don't see any indication that you believed your vote would hit mafia at any point. You just walked into the store and grabbed your preferred lynch among the shelves that people put closest to you and walked out. Where's any conviction behind what you said? No second guessing yourself ?
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Copcake however is mafia for doing basically the same thing.
On March 07 2024 09:38 Jealous wrote:
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: @ Jealous
I believed in the town!people who believed that the Trfel vote would hit mafia more than I believed that scum!JAT would paint a target on his back by pushing against your claim/town nature so strongly, and more than I believed in my analysis after catching up on 100+ pages (versus the analysis of people who digested the information in real-time).
Tsk.Tsk. But you put copcake into your scumreads.
You can't sell to anyone in this game that copcake put less effort than JAT into doubting my claim and making me mafia and at the very least it's the same degree of effort.
It was my genuine impression. He seemed to be driving that train of thought based on how I read it. Meanwhile...
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: Why didn't you use this type of argument on her like you did on JAT if it's all it took to make you favour Trfel over JAT?
I believe this makes you caught buddy.
Had to dive to see when exactly she jumped on that train because I am pretty certain it wasn't her starting it and I see this:
On March 05 2024 02:56 CopCake wrote: I also do not understand the whole vivax is town because he claimed jailkeeper because that is bullshit.
Not because the logic of the whole scenario but because I think he is the type of player to be insane enough as mafia to do something like that.
So, sure, she agrees with it, but she is just sheeping IMO. I don't think a scum!JAT is dumb enough to put himself under the line of fire for this take. But I can see scum!CopCake sheeping him once he does and hoping to make something out of nothing.
On March 07 2024 09:08 Vivax wrote: Not just that:
On March 05 2024 04:42 sandroba wrote: Why are you trying to keep this useless trash nai discussion going CopCake?
This is a post you wholeheartedly agreed with. But the useless nai trash discussion is also what you used to justify not voting JAT.
Mostly referring to the call-out by sandroba itself and her posting being a part of what I found to be mostly trash posting in general up until that point, including the tea party, sharks, townreading the two people she invited to her tea party basically immediately, etc.
On March 11 2024 13:51 Jealous wrote:
On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote: She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then.
Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
I don't think the characterization of her sheeping me on anything is fair.
Since then it has been a proper CopCake tunnel. And he really tunnels hard here.The only other people he has voted this game are Trfel and Oats (after the check). I think he has a hard time changing his reads/is very static about them, which is something mafia players tend to struggle with. He is not ruffling any feathers all game with one specific exception and that is Copcake. Massive effort if he is mafia though - respect. And sorry Vivax for not seeing this earlier.
He doesn't actually call Jealous scum, even after people are yelling at him to provide reads he doesn't even come up with an alignment for Jealous, just hedges his bets in case the people who called Jealous suspicious decide to fire up a wagon there.
On March 14 2024 22:52 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 22:51 Vivax wrote:
On March 14 2024 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 14 2024 22:49 Vivax wrote: Meta wise your filter is too small jat. Iirc you are a very prolific townie
I refer you to the post I directed at DP earlier. Fuck off. My filter is quite large - it is not my fault that other people are even spammier. Your meta is 10 years old.
Fuck off to whom though
Not to Palmar ideally. I would compromise on Jealous right now. Think you have been on the right track here. Reading MZ now.
"Compromise on Jealous"??? But you didn't come up with an alignment when you analyzed him, all you said was "if he's scum he's doing a good job." Like come on.
The next person he analyzes is me and ends up deciding I'm town.
So out of his only reads list in the game, he's now good with lynching someone who was not on there and he analyzed inconclusively, and he's found a townread of myself.
Nothing on DMB, nothing on CC. Also continuing to hold on to DMB/CC as scum reads at this point is pretty terrible too.
I think the only point in JAT's favor right now is that he hasn't gone the easy road and scumread Palmar to save himself although that only increases the odds in my eyes that they could be scum together. This feels like a much shorter analysis while writing it compared to Rels or even Palmar but the fact is there just isn't much in JAT's filter which is pretty damning in of itself to get to D4 without having actually analyzed anything. I had an open spot for the last scum that I hadn't figured out between Jealous and JAT, I'm pretty comfortable giving it to JAT at this point.
Are you seriously calling me mafia for changing my reads upon rereading filter? Also I clearly came to a conclusion about Jealous. Which said mafia. Wtf do you want from me? I have been filtering people and giving reads all day. Significant time I spent. And you have nothing else to do than say: "but you havent given a read on everyone yet". When it should be very obvious that I am going through the whole list from top to bottom.
It's just very odd it came to putting you under the gun to come up with these reads. I will wait until you finish with the rest of the players and see what you come up with but I haven't been inspired by what you've posted so far.
On March 15 2024 02:09 Koshi wrote: So if 2 came to VE it is within Palmar/MZ/CC i do not want to believe iamp is mafia. Out of those 3 I do not believe it is CC.
So yeah. Is it Palmar/MZ and x?
Do I want to stay on x? X being JAT then.
My brain is foggy.
I do generally agree with your logic here even though it's heavily implicating me.
JAT's inability to find scum even while up for lynch is pretty bad. His refusal to scumread Palmar only goes so far when he hasn't provided any alternatives.
On March 15 2024 02:09 Koshi wrote: So if 2 came to VE it is within Palmar/MZ/CC i do not want to believe iamp is mafia. Out of those 3 I do not believe it is CC.
So yeah. Is it Palmar/MZ and x?
Do I want to stay on x? X being JAT then.
My brain is foggy.
I do generally agree with your logic here even though it's heavily implicating me.
JAT's inability to find scum even while up for lynch is pretty bad. His refusal to scumread Palmar only goes so far when he hasn't provided any alternatives.
Are you for real? I already gave you Jealous.
Lol where? Your analysis where you said "if he's scum hats off to him"?
That was barely believable and I don't think you really believe it either since rather than straight up call him scum you said "jealous for a compromise?"
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
You say this but yes, there is a problem.
I am a wild card.
If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one.
If I die, who is the mafia?
I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG.
VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game
Are these good reasons to lynch?
This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game.
That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake.
Who knows, people might get a surprise.
Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt.
You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top.
There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on.
I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it.
I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum.
On March 15 2024 12:08 DarthPunk wrote: Maybe mz is the last.
MZ absence in last what, 12 hours if memory serves, is ???
On March 15 2024 02:53 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm flying tonight, won't be around much the rest of the day
When I say I'm flying, what my day looks like is 5 hours of mission planning and briefing, an hour and a half of preflight checks and ground operations, 5+ hours of flying, and 2 or more hours of debriefing depending on the profile. Some days I can catch up on my phone during mission planning, some days I can't. Today I had some extra mission requirements to knock out so I could not. I have 30 pages to catch up on and its after midnight, I'll do that tomorrow and then I'll be around all weekend if I'm alive.
Looks like you guys lynched CC from the voting thread, great fucking job everyone.
I managed to mostly catch up on yesterday while at work (figure nobody wants another million catch up posts or a text wall of death for me as I did so) and the vote switch is very hard to read through however at this point I'm still pretty set on Palmar and JAT.
The mayor and DP seemed really lost yesterday in regards to actually leading the town anywhere. I'm pretty pissed we ended up with a lynch that didn't really provide any new information since pretty much everyone who voted CC did so and said "she's probably town but oh well."
The one thing that jumped out at me yesterday was all the pressure on jealous, I had him as town a couple of days ago but that's a pretty stale read at this point so he's gonna be a focus of mine for a filter reread for however long I decide to stay up tonight and tomorrow.
I'll be around all weekend, gonna use Koshi's reads as a starting point to go back through yesterday in depth. Except for the part where he scumread me on a rotational basis, a lot of his reads aligned with mine which is another reason I still have Palmar/JAT as my most likely scum team right now.
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote: Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit: MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard ... and you played well enough at least tbh Palmar, Rels
This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable.
It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?
My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol).
Drunk posting ftw.
It looks VERY bad.
Almost like your reads aren't responsive to events changing.
I was going to forgive him because a few nights ago when I was catching up I had some questions for JSL not realizing he had died but uhh....
On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote: Interesting.
On March 16 2024 11:04 DarthPunk wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA.
The disrespect is real.
Wym?
Im alive and Koshi is dead.
Imma need an adult to hold my hand through this.
Is lynching the most townread person always the best play? Let's assume no blue roles.
I think there is a potential argument here but I'd want to hear your thoughts first.
Weird post to make. In what world was Koshi more townread than DP? You yourself were having doubts regarding Koshi and none regarding DP last night right?
I think he is trying to justify why I am alive?
Basically? Like, I feel like breeding mistrust in the top townreads is a valid strategy, but I can see it both ways so it might be WIFOM.
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote: Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit: MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard ... and you played well enough at least tbh Palmar, Rels
This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable.
It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?
My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol).
On March 16 2024 12:45 Vivax wrote: Three people drunkposted in this game. That‘s gotta be it. Town would instantly lose their last braincells so all the drinkers are mafia.
Should we start do drink as well or even step further with some nazi gangbangs, methballons, dildo drones and some good old Cough syrup from 1940 with a bit of coke in it...
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote: Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit: MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard ... and you played well enough at least tbh Palmar, Rels
This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable.
It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?
My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol).
On March 14 2024 09:22 Jealous wrote: Did a quick dive on Palmar before I have to head out again. Based on D1 alone, I think he basically has to be town. I'll explain my thinking in the form of questions:
1. Would scum!Palmar immediately bus scum!Oats and scum!TTS practically out the gate? 2. Would scum!Palmar go along with town sentiment to elect Vivax mayor instead of what he claims is his preference, which is to lynch him for the claim?
To make an addendum to #2, if we believe what Palmar is saying about wanting to lynch Vivax for the claim, I think the only world in which scum!Palmar simply gives up and lets Vivax have the election without offering resistance is if it's scum!Palmar and scum!Vivax, and if it's scum!Vivax then it basically has to be scum!DP and they bussed TTS. So, I think this is practically impossible. Therefore, I think based on this foundation, scum!Palmar is incredibly unlikely to me at this juncture.
I'll refine further when I get back but this is what I have so far.
Quotes for reference, non-exhaustive list (he makes other posts re: Vivax running for mayor, Oats, etc): + Show Spoiler +
On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
On March 04 2024 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: I’m running for mayor
Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
On March 04 2024 12:21 DarthPunk wrote: Mayor will sort itself out, probably be marv at the end of the day if he is town.
Hi again, not a big fan of you not pushing to be mayor, what gives?
I don't think pushing for it actually does anything.
You don’t seem to even want to be mayor
There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
On March 05 2024 11:39 VisceraEyes wrote: People saying unccd in a semi open setup is making my eyes roll so hard they're doing back flips. God I've never wished I was Mafia more in a game.
I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
On March 05 2024 06:10 Palmar wrote: Good morning, I see we're up to a casual 60+ pages.
Where did you wake up from???
It's 8am in Iceland right now, what are you talking about?
Iceland has 1 or 2 hours time difference than Austria. It is not possible. You come here and directly start to lie?? It should be 9:18 or 8 :18 PM
She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
On March 05 2024 10:07 Palmar wrote: If I was less lazy I would basically force everyone into either voting vivax mayor or voting to lynch him. Fencesitting on a blue claim is just bad.
I haven’t read his filter but my instinct is to mayor Vivax.
On March 05 2024 22:31 Palmar wrote: So thoughts on Vivax
1) His claim is dumb as shit and he shouldn't do it as town or mafia. 2) He did claim so we work with what we got 3) He didn't hide behind his claim which points to townie, he posted like 6 pages since that claim, so whatever the point was with his claim at least it wasn't "I'll just claim this and chill" 4) He is actually trying. Now I know I was wrong last game when I lynched him for not trying, but I still think there is merit in that kind of read with Vivax
In conclusion, I think he is more likely to be town than mafia, so I'm just gonna vote him for mayor.
There's also the completely stupid reason that absolutely no one seems to be calling him mafia, [/]and a bunch of people call him town but don't want to vote him as mayor. That's an indicator (admittedly a terrible one) of his sort of general standing within the town. It's like a minor town point.
That solves that problem for me.
I honestly don't feel like I know enough about the game to direct Vivax' lynch. Maybe I'll gather enough info today to help though.
I think, I said, he can do this as mafia.
Oh he can, what Vivax lacks in brains he has in balls.
I just don't think anyone is trying to argue that he is. Like make a case on him if you think this is wrong.
That's a false dichotomy. You don't have to think he is mafia in order to prefer someone else as mayor.
You don't have to, I'm not your mom. But it's still stupid.
Like it or not, by claiming Vivax made the game about himself.
The objectively correct play as town here is to lynch him. That is literally the best play. But we've decided not to do that and I kinda think that's the right call. Essentially we assume Vivax is bad town and not mafia. If that's the case he has a very, very strong power role and we think he's town, so we just make him mayor.
I really can't think of why we would not do one or the other if we're playing logically.
We can always force him to kill whoever we want dead, he's not without responsibility as mayor.
On March 05 2024 23:05 Palmar wrote: Dumbest scumread ever is that TTS just casually assumed he'd be alive by day 4 or something.
Also even talking about a random voting stage like we're some plebeian third world mafia site is pretty scummy.
But he's done nothing so there's no read. Good policy lynch though.
Going further on into D1, Palmar had some good reads. Sheeped Sandro. Outlook positive on VE (did mention they "looked at little worse" eventually though). But, they haven't all been consistent. He pulled back on Oats being bad a bit. He also thought marv was looking scummy, too. So, more of a mixed bag than my early analysis showed.
On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote: This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question 2) TTS - Complete inactivity 3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia 4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
Final list post isn't great, too. Oats is now a TR. So maybe it was fake pressure all along? Still SRing TTS though, but that's not exactly gold-star-worthy play at this point IMO.
On March 07 2024 00:31 Palmar wrote: So like preemptively, I'm trying to come to a conclusion why rayn wouldn't open up my filter and ctrl+f Vivax while shouting in caps at me and I just really can't think of one.
Secondly I already explained to him as confirmed town (last game) how I differ in my approach to people's alignment. I don't tie them together like that.
raynpelikoneet
Nested quote from rayn here about how Palmar's progression on VE was scummy is interesting in retrospect.
Palmar feels like he is just all over the place now, this is what sowing chaos looks like to me, especially given what was said before, especially about sandroba:
On March 07 2024 01:02 Palmar wrote: I think it's possible that marv, rayn and sandroba are mafia (varying degrees of possibility) and I don't care who masoned who.
Still, can't deny that he is pushing hard on the Oats wagon. I think scum!Palmar would be content to be more half-hearted about it and sheep a VE vote relatively quietly when it was gaining momentum. Notable that Koshi was one of the driving forces for the VE lynch, but I'm starting to understand that this is just Koshi things (not that I like it though).
--Intermission--
So far, everything from the mid point to the 3/4 mark of Palmar's filter is just a big fat nothingburger. Granted there was some drunkposting in the middle and I really sympathize with that, but it was almost all entirely lazy one-liners. Definitely "coasting" until some semblance of pressure mounted on him:
On March 12 2024 21:54 justanothertownie wrote: But he can defend himself if he is town. He is a big, very important boy.
Yeah no worries.
It's actually kinda fun.
The one thing I need, and I need other people to back me up on this. I am going to ask people why they think I am mafia, and I'm going to do it aggressively. Here's a very important point. Even if I was mafia, my teammates would absolutely want to get in on the "bus". This means that they would have to come up with good reasons to attack me. So even if townies agree that I must be mafia, be vary of who is on the train with you. And of course keep an open mind.
The worst thing that can happen if I get under heavy fire is that town just shuts up and does it quietly.
Essentially, if people want to hold hands and try to lynch me, I'm going to make them work for it, and in the process there is going to be a lot of information generated in the thread.
The last 2 days have been pretty bad in terms of information. Oats played well but was mafia so it can all be discarded, and VE just didn't even try.
That won't be the case if I'm the target.
Instead what ended up happening is he just posted reasons why others were scum, so it felt like just fulfilled his town!Palmar obligations and went back to relative chill hard mode. I don't think that should be too difficult to do as scum, especially since just about everyone has some unfortunate/wrong/bad-looking stuff in their filters to latch onto, read in the most negative way, or misrep. So, I don't think that his activity today gives him all too many townie points because in the end he is just hopping from one wagon to the next, either as scum or as town for scum.
--"Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
I haven't had the chance to filter JAT recently so I'll probably do that next while out, but I won't make a post like this. If I had to go off of my overall gut feeling throughout the game, I'd say that they were even more wishy-washy than Palmar, but I don't want to discredit JAT before I actually do the work, so take that with a heavy grain of salt.
When done with JAT's filter, I will just insert them into my current list of scumminess (left is most town, right is most scum):
Iamp > Palmar > Koshi > Cake
DP and Vivax are not present because I am still operating in conftown! world for both of them, similar for DMB but obviously much less so to keep it clean and easy.
PS: It seems I fucked up the bold tags somewhere but fuck it, it's legible.
How did Koshi go from your top scum read here?
On March 16 2024 10:38 Jealous wrote:
On March 06 2024 07:35 Koshi wrote: DP just stay the course on Hapa and Palmar.
If they are mafia or even 1 only, we get a lot of information. Lynching tfrel does not do that.
Palmar town is not horrible. Palmar mafia is great. Hapa is a good shot. I am proud to be in a town that shoots idiots.
Big WIFOM for me here. Is this scum!Koshi just manufacturing a strong stance on a 4 town pile? Or is this town!Koshi not knowing anyone's alignment and genuinely going off of his own thoughts on the matter?
Really hard to say IMO.
Overall I think D1 Koshi was pretty strong though. Some tragically bad reads but overall *feel* I got was town. Definitely more so than his play during the middle of the game thus far IMO, he kinda fell off and got lazy and more crazy/Koshi, if memory serves.
I'm gonna stop filtering now because it's going OD slow, but I will finish up later, because let's be real, I'll probably be around given how Vivax has been pushing my scum case for the past 28 hours or so.
To tragically bad but feel town here
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote: Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit: MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard ... and you played well enough at least tbh Palmar, Rels
Back to lynchable here but in need of further filtering?
And yeah that was post flip but you doubled down on it:
On March 16 2024 11:34 Jealous wrote: Okay so this is where I'm at.
Last Day of Safety DP, Vivax
Wouldn't lynch over the people below Iamp, JAT
Need to revisit: MZ, though this applies to some people below as noted
Lynchable DMB, Koshi (until further filtering)
More lynchable but this game is hard ... and you played well enough at least tbh Palmar, Rels
This guy is so mafia but it‘s hilarious tbh. First he calls Koshi death interesting then adds him to lynchable.
It‘s even worse than Palmar‘s case on dead rayn. At this point he‘s just flaunting around how dumb this town is for not lynching him
Lmao damn that was indeed bad. You'd think scum would know who they NK'd though?
My thinking at the time was "I didn't finish filtering them, should really do my due diligence" (which in retrospect and in context looks bad on me too lol).
Drunk posting ftw.
It looks VERY bad.
Almost like your reads aren't responsive to events changing.
I stand by everything else I said tbh, Koshi is where he would have been were he still alive. I simply forgot he was dead lmao.
In the post where you call koshi "tragically bad but town" you quote a koshi post from:
On March 06 2024 07:35 Koshi wrote:
That's almost 10 days ago so you must have been in his filter in order to read and quote that. Why does he still need more filtering? Did you forget you called him town last night?
TL Forum code is super annoying, like look how many bolds I fucked up in my previous post. I'm trying to figure out where "drunk" Jealous misses that he's scum reading Koshi after the flip yet still manages to nail all his greens, reds, and bolds.
Jealous was literally the second post after the flip:
On March 16 2024 11:04 Jealous wrote: Interesting.
Part of me feels like this is a dumb thing to get hung up on and I also feeling like I'm betraying the drunk poster brotherhood by picking on this type of mistake but something about this is not adding up to me. I've been thrashing around in Jealous' filter for like the last hour or so and I can't wrap my head around the progressions.
I just realized I'm subconsciously trying really really hard not to scumread Jealous right now because I'm a sentimental piece of shit and AtE works on me and I feel bad doing that while he's drinking so I'm gonna sleep on it and come back tomorrow with a clearer head and also give Palmar and JAT a read through and figure out what they were up to while all the lynch shenanigans went down yesterday.
On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote: I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town.
Oh okay. I must be playing the game wrong.
Sky is green. $evntyfive por cento chance-a-mundo that u r scum. Whiz bang waffle.
##Vote: Jealous
^ There's my proof that I'm town.
On March 15 2024 10:57 Jealous wrote: Drunk posting caveat.
Imagine I just ##vote Jealous right now just to make a statement.
It's just a little on the nose that he's directly referenced some of the stupid plays people have been making and then proceeds to seemingly dumbtell.
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two.
How am I the most invisible player in the game? You have constantly called me scum but you've been waiting for other people to get the wagon started. The invisible comment sounds like you're frustrated other people haven't pushed for me hard yet.
I'm gonna deep dive Palmar's play yesterday in a bit
On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote: I hate reading MZ so much.
I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did.
But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.
I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
This sounds like pure scum frustration right here realizing that despite all the shade he's been throwing me this game, nobody has bitten hard on it and he doesn't actually have a case.
If he ever "finishes" reading my filter I'm gonna be super stoked to see what sort of case he comes up with. He's grasping at straws and he knows it.
It's funny how the best he can manage is "passive mafia" and then put that phrase in this sort of post. Like his post is the epitome of passive mafia right here.
Mz can you give a full summary of your discord with palmar. How many posts overall were there too.
MZ: Hey Palmar I'm leaning town on you so I masoned you to try and solidify that MZ: Can you give more opinions on Marv in the thread bc I read him as town when hes scum and scum when hes town MZ: between you and me do you have any opinions on JAT bc people are reading him as town and I came to a rushed conclusion yesterday MZ: I agree with this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=168#3344 MZ: we're in different time zones, but do you have any thoughts on CC's response to Slam's check Palmar: Do I have to read that Palmar: Wanna claim a blue role to me MZ: Not gonna go full rayn MZ: any read of koshi and his stuff this cycle MZ: disregard Koshi, I let his stuff from the morning bleed into Vivax's posts now, still would love a Marv insight MZ: You're lurking an awful lot this game Palmar: I voted JAT day 1, of course I have suspicions Palmar: I consistently called Koshi town MZ: You are forgettable and recent contributions don't look fantastic MZ: I get you're not keeping up with the thread but damn Palmar: Relax I'm town MZ: I see you voted VE Palmar: Did you like my case on rayn Palmar: Yeah for the lulz MZ: I made a post about the math that I used not working out and I cited you who also posted math MZ: Koshi can be kinda right here MZ: Scum only have to target slams reads list to successfully frame, also might be why slam is alive
On March 09 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote: Like I think you've done everything right if you're town Oats, and if you're mafia massive kudos for wool stuff. I am NEVER lynching you here without a red check.
I'll stick around for a little bit while doing other stuff, but I'm just not confident enough in my reads to actually move somewhere else. I think.
he says this and then votes VE ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
I mean he also says this just prior:
On March 09 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:
On March 09 2024 07:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey look Palmar Sandro thought i was town too. Just like for your records
On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote: oats is very townie imo
Yeah I know
I'm like this close to saying fuck math and changing my opinion.
But you did make a case on me, which looks bad for you. Not sure I should blame you for that though.
Like I'm almost tempted to just fucking lynch slam lol
The only solid thing he told me in our chat is that his vote was for the lulz but maybe he just doesn't want to justify changing his mind and going with his gut?
did he really say that voting for the lulz
Yes.
I wasted the whisper so hard.
That said, his decision to park his vote on VE instead of just throwing it on someone random like copcake sits a little better with me, assuming VE is scum, because now the vote count is pretty close and I can't imagine if he was scum with VE he'd risk that.
well if all 3 were scum it wouldn't matter
I actually am pretty set on copcake being scum at the moment, her votes are just horrible for a townie. It begs the question why doesn't she want to be on Oats.
I think of those three Palmar is least likely to be scum.
Then about 30 min later you vote for VE.
I'm guessing you just read my filter and not the thread context, this was during the Oats/VE lynch shenanigans. I believe Copcake had called Oats scum but was deadset on voting for Jealous
On March 09 2024 08:25 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Copcake still voting jealous is super weird to me, she insists on being on wagons of her own. Day 1 she stayed on JSL as well.
On March 09 2024 08:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: If she actually cared about not lynching Oats, VE already had to votes on him when she voted jealous. Instead she just yeets her vote out a window.
Given that I was scum on CC very strongly at this point, and also based on Koshi's comment that the framer only had to target Slam's reads, I started to seriously doubt the red check at that point. The vibe I was getting at that point was that CC had TMI that Oats was going to flip town hence her weird reasoning for her throw away vote on Jealous.
On March 09 2024 09:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I went to the store and got some groceries and realized pretty much every realistic scum team scenario I was trying to figure out did not contain Oats but definitely included VE.
And yes, my math was also wrong.
I talked myself into the VE wagon over Oats at that point.
Mz can you give a full summary of your discord with palmar. How many posts overall were there too.
MZ: Hey Palmar I'm leaning town on you so I masoned you to try and solidify that MZ: Can you give more opinions on Marv in the thread bc I read him as town when hes scum and scum when hes town MZ: between you and me do you have any opinions on JAT bc people are reading him as town and I came to a rushed conclusion yesterday MZ: I agree with this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=168#3344 MZ: we're in different time zones, but do you have any thoughts on CC's response to Slam's check Palmar: Do I have to read that Palmar: Wanna claim a blue role to me MZ: Not gonna go full rayn MZ: any read of koshi and his stuff this cycle MZ: disregard Koshi, I let his stuff from the morning bleed into Vivax's posts now, still would love a Marv insight MZ: You're lurking an awful lot this game Palmar: I voted JAT day 1, of course I have suspicions Palmar: I consistently called Koshi town MZ: You are forgettable and recent contributions don't look fantastic MZ: I get you're not keeping up with the thread but damn Palmar: Relax I'm town MZ: I see you voted VE Palmar: Did you like my case on rayn Palmar: Yeah for the lulz MZ: I made a post about the math that I used not working out and I cited you who also posted math MZ: Koshi can be kinda right here MZ: Scum only have to target slams reads list to successfully frame, also might be why slam is alive
On March 17 2024 02:19 iamperfection wrote: i mean from that log mz has to be town right? At the very least they cant be mafia together. Its blatant rule breaking either way.
Mz can you give a full summary of your discord with palmar. How many posts overall were there too.
MZ: Hey Palmar I'm leaning town on you so I masoned you to try and solidify that MZ: Can you give more opinions on Marv in the thread bc I read him as town when hes scum and scum when hes town MZ: between you and me do you have any opinions on JAT bc people are reading him as town and I came to a rushed conclusion yesterday MZ: I agree with this post https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=168#3344 MZ: we're in different time zones, but do you have any thoughts on CC's response to Slam's check Palmar: Do I have to read that Palmar: Wanna claim a blue role to me MZ: Not gonna go full rayn MZ: any read of koshi and his stuff this cycle MZ: disregard Koshi, I let his stuff from the morning bleed into Vivax's posts now, still would love a Marv insight MZ: You're lurking an awful lot this game Palmar: I voted JAT day 1, of course I have suspicions Palmar: I consistently called Koshi town MZ: You are forgettable and recent contributions don't look fantastic MZ: I get you're not keeping up with the thread but damn Palmar: Relax I'm town MZ: I see you voted VE Palmar: Did you like my case on rayn Palmar: Yeah for the lulz MZ: I made a post about the math that I used not working out and I cited you who also posted math MZ: Koshi can be kinda right here MZ: Scum only have to target slams reads list to successfully frame, also might be why slam is alive
That's it.
i TOLD YOU TO SUMMARIZE
It is summarized
how is that a summary
I truncated the stuff down combined some stuff for readability, honestly don't see how this is different from what other logs people have posted. I didn't copy paste it.
In addition to the usual roles, I will be adding mason chats into this game. At the start of each day I will randomize 2 players to become the whisperers for the cycle. They will be informed of this via PM. These players may (or may choose not to) PM me the name of one player to obtain a Discord chat with them for the rest of the day/night cycle. You may paraphrase discussions that occur, but you may not copy paste the log into the thread. Once the players reduce to 13 or less there will only be 1 whisperer.
I did not copy paste.
I paraphrased. We just literally did not talk about much of anything.
On March 17 2024 02:28 iamperfection wrote: so your saying all of those lines aren't exact quotes ?
Some of them are most are not, there's really not that much going on in that chat. The whole problem with copy pasting with timestamps and usernames and stuff is that it guarantees the authenticity of the log, you have no way of knowing that this log is authentic because it's not copy/pasted from discord. I know you feel that it's authentic because it's pretty much exactly how Palmar and I both characterized it, but Palmar is free to show up and say I misrepresented something I said or something he said and then it's just a he said/he said game.
I don't know why you're so bent out of shape with this, Jealous and DP's log had way more stuff in it, did you miss that one?
On March 16 2024 11:21 iamperfection wrote: I think Palmar just has to be mafia. I have listed the reasons several times and i just keep wifoming myself out of it. His reactions to the CC flip just adds to it he had no real thoughts or analysis to make as he isn't interested in figuring things out.
This is the kinda shit that keeps you out of my towncircle.
Of course I have no reaction. I "knew" she was town and I was highly annoyed at her. The people who I feel in hindsight swung the lynch onto her (DP/Vivax) are my town circle people so while I don't quite understand why they did it after all the dick move analysis, I don't think this warrants looking into them.
DP shot mafia. He gets to be alive until lylo. That is the earliest I think he should be looked into. Vivax is a bed we kinda made on day 1, but there are additional reasons to think he may be town. I liked his early posting, and I don't think he does the whole paranoia thing as mafia.
So why are my "reactions to the cc flip" bad? There is nothing to learn. We lynched a townie who everyone thought was town.
The only way it actually becomes interesting if we confirm Jealous is mafia. But that would be a pre-flip association and you know how I feel about even post-flip associations.
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Are we suggesting that 4 mafia were on the oats wagon? I dont think that is likely. I really would like the detail summary of that discord in full because i think it just has to be mz and palmar are mafia together the more i think about it.
I do not think there necessarily has to be mafia on VE - if there is then maybe MZ. If the lynch goes through and VE flips town Oats will just be killed the day after and everyone who took part looks absolutely terrible. It would only postpone the result for no real gain.
Hmmm...
On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
Hmmm...
On March 08 2024 12:46 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:40 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him.
Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check?
I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check.
BING BING BING I FOUND IT.
Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient.
Really disagree with this. Unless you're playing the "chaotic town" card, scum absolutely know there is no way Oats will survive the game if he's scum (or if he's town for that matter). We're not even in LYLO, buying one more day doesn't accomplish anything if it comes at the cost of their credibility
I think that is naive to think that the town will have the discipline to come back to a red check if they pass it over once. A lot can change in a single day cycle.
? What are you trying to say here?
Complete mind meld between you and Rels, but MZ doesn't seem to agree. This is while MZ was still pushing for an Oats lynch, but ended up not being on the Oats wagon. "A lot can change in a single day cycle" is almost predictive in this case, as what changed was that MZ ended up on the ML wagon.
Ah, I see. And you think he would be posting his mafia thoughts this openly? Would they not talk about this in discord?
Reminder that this is him arguing to lynch Oats D2. So this is part of his argument as for why that is the correct play. If anything, this to me reads more like a future "See how sure I was of the Oats thing, guys?" if a counterwagon doesn't take off. It's like laying a foundation.
In this world, the temptation of the counterwagon on VE taking off made MZ abandon his position to buy one more day. I think the argument that "one more day doesn't change" anything argument is inaccurate, because it creates an extra ML before a scum is taken out in this case. Like gaining a tempo in chess. And as MZ says, "A lot can change in a single day."
Let's leave hypothetical land for a bit and explore the following question instead: Does a person's entire logical framework change within a single day with no additional concrete evidence?
This isn't a change in reads like from town to scum or vice versa. This is a complete reversal of their beliefs about how the game works, within 24 hours. On March 7th, not lynching Oats is not an option because it's too great of a risk to take from a gameplay standpoint. On March 8th, not lynching Oats is fine because VE just looks so scummy?
This is including the meta knowledge that VE gets ML'd all the time, apparently (I can't attest to this personally but it's been brought up several times in this thread).
I'll refer you to a couple of things, Koshi pointing out scum would only need to target slam's reads with a framer changed the calculus, as bad as my math is my initial obstinace was based on my assumption the red check was above 90%. Also my scumread CC fucking off and not wanting to either save Oats or get town cred for lynching him, but instead placing a random vote, and the fact that pretty much everyone called Oats town at some point even if they voted him.
I'm annoyed I let Koshi and the mayor influence my thinking that much but sometimes as town you have to make a judgement call and not be afraid to be wrong (and don't worry I fully recognize the irony behind making that judgment call after being mad about people doing the same thing, none of us are immune to ego apparently)
On March 17 2024 03:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah Both Rels and DMB seem to have fallen off hard.
Why are you trying to help Jealous?
I'm not, I have all day and tomorrow to come to a decision so I'm just considering every point.
My thoughts on Jealous are all in my filter, I actually think the points I brought up last night on Jealous are pretty damming, you never commented on that. I just need to figure out if it makes him more scummy than Palmar.
I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB.
On March 17 2024 04:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I mean... well done posting my entire filter for a 3 day stretch? I have been abundantly clear on what I was thinking, when I was thinking it, and why I was thinking it. It's very convenient that this case comes the day after I started putting pressure on you for whatever the fuck happened after yesterday's deadline. It's also gotten you out of having to defend or explain your scumreads of Palmar, Rels, or DMB.
I think I did a pretty good job on Palmar tbh. I'll take a dive on Rels later today, tired of reading for now. DMB is apparently off-limits and I got chastised for pursuing it so it is what it is, plus I think I'll go insane if I have to read their filter again.
Dude this:
--"Conclusion"-- I think that Palmar is pretty hard to put a finger on. Did he type a lot of things? Yes. Were some of them good-sounding? Assuredly so. Does he have strong convictions, drive, and does he ever put himself into any significant danger? No.
This was your conclusion on Palmar. Like you refused to outright scum read him despite him being #2 on your list of scum targets and just chickened out with "pretty hard to put a finger on."
I don't believe this read any more than I believe you forgot Koshi had died last night.
Also your "case" (summarizing my D2) is now perfectly set up for Palmar to push without actually ever having to do work himself. If you get me mislynched today, Palmar's hands will still be clean.
On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote: I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments.
It's literally just a summary of what I posted. I've already explained and reexplained where I was coming from.
But I read his post in the context that I posted this 3 hours ago:
On March 16 2024 19:37 Palmar wrote: I hate reading MZ so much.
I'm so certain he has to be mafia for the game to make sense. And my feeling throughout the game, and even very often in his posting he sounds like passive mafia. He's never in the thick of things. He even did the same dumbass "I'll be mayor" thing that Oats did.
But he's just such a genuinely likable person that I don't want to call him scum, and it makes it hard. I'm just a short bit into his filter and I need to head out now.
I am going to be far less available than yesterday, so you know, if you wanna take a shot at me, your shot is today boys
This sounds like pure scum frustration right here realizing that despite all the shade he's been throwing me this game, nobody has bitten hard on it and he doesn't actually have a case.
If he ever "finishes" reading my filter I'm gonna be super stoked to see what sort of case he comes up with. He's grasping at straws and he knows it.
It's funny how the best he can manage is "passive mafia" and then put that phrase in this sort of post. Like his post is the epitome of passive mafia right here.
Pointing out Palmar's lack of case on me. Very very convenient timing for him to develop that read after not having me on his scum list up until this morning.
On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote: Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on?
I'm voting Palmar now, I think Jealous is prepping a defense of him which looks bad but Palmar has still done jack shit and I'm gonna honor the Koshi reads.
On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote: I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments.
On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote: Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on?
Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter.
I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall.
So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here?
On March 17 2024 05:06 Vivax wrote: I think it‘s a case made with the help of scripts or something, maybe some ghostwriters who slave for Jealous.
It‘s still a bit disconnected from the game. There is no emphasis of MZ drunkposting during D2 when I briefly thought it made him 100% mafia. Those would be great to leverage his arguments.
what a giga chad if its not using scripts though.
I type really fast.
On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote: Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on?
Yea I saw it, honestly I don't think I can find much AI in someone else's mason chats when there are timezone differences, one of them traveling constantly and the other seeming pretty disinterested in the chat and with the concept of masons in general IIRC from Palmar's filter.
I did find the point that if they were both scum that they might try harder to make it seem productive/active to be an interesting one, it was a good thought. No guarantee that they would have had that same thought, though. I think focusing on stuff that actually happened in the game (posts, reads, and votes) makes more sense to me overall.
So you now think that Palmar and I can't be scum together? Is that what you're saying here?
Not sure how you got that from what I said. I think it's possible, because I don't think that the mason chat was AI.
Ah so Palmar is still scum, is he your second highest read now after me? Or where has he shuffled out on the list.
On March 17 2024 05:18 iamperfection wrote: Jealous did you read the whole palmar mz mason dynamic going on?
I'm voting Palmar now, I think Jealous is prepping a defense of him which looks bad but Palmar has still done jack shit and I'm gonna honor the Koshi reads.
Hey Mz. You actually know me well enough.
Do you stand by the statement that I have done “jack shit” on day 4?
And now on day 5. Do you believe that me playing less on a weekend is alignment indicative?
It's hard not to come to that conclusion, I know most of you don't watch NBA basketball but this reference to a player running around looking like he's playing defense when in reality he's not doing anything has pretty much been actually how I see you this game: Pat Bev trick y'all man
On March 14 2024 19:16 Palmar wrote: Just sheep DP to victory and stop thinking, I'm bad at it anyway
On March 15 2024 07:21 Palmar wrote: I'll happily just let DP make the call. Game is annoying now because we've brought this bullshit into it.
Maybe just lynch Koshi out of spite.
But realistically, I think it's gonna be like Rels or MZ
I'm not going to quote your whole filter like Jealous did but I'm hard pressed to find reads over the last few days that you stick by or bother to push. Yesterday you managed to scumread: Me and Rels in the above post
On March 14 2024 06:58 Palmar wrote: I've for some reason played extremely carefully this game and it's gotten me nowhere. I've sat on reads to try to placate people and be a good boy but I think i'm just kinda done with it.
I think iamp is mafia
Iamp
On March 14 2024 19:15 Palmar wrote: maybe the mafia is just jat rels and jealous or something
That would solve the game, absolve all the shitty lynchbaits and insane people and whatever.
JAT Jealous and Rels
On March 15 2024 07:22 Palmar wrote: Like I'm probably not lynching anyone that has put in actual real effort today (dp, me, vivax, koshi, iamp, jat) and I'm just gonna pretend cc doesn't exist. This leaves jealous, rels, mz, dmb
Here's the same as above + DMB
You literally found a scum reason for every player in some manner except for DP and Vivax. And then you proceeded to sit back and wait for DP/Vivax/Koshi to tell you where to vote. If that's not scum throwing shit at a wall waiting to see what wagon develops then idk what is.
On March 17 2024 06:24 iamperfection wrote: Rels just voted palmar and decided to afk. DMB chimed in with a lol and nothing else.
This is a critical cycle we need input.
The mayor said I was drawing attention away from Jealous when I brought this up.
Someone who was on the Jealous wagon died yesterday it wasn't Palmar, or Rels, or JAT.
I find it very hard to believe if you bring up those on copcake (and yes I know about my take on DP but I don't want to do him today just juggling him)
This is fair, I took Koshi's death to be more pointing towards Palmar/JAT but I don't want to read too hard into the NKs and just focus more on what's in the thread at the moment which currently is Rels and DMB fucking off.
Trying to keep an open mind for all options today even though I'm still townreading DMB
On March 17 2024 07:03 Palmar wrote: Being inconsistent and unsure isn’t a mafia trait. Been pretty clear on my lynch pool since late day 4.
Brother your lynch pool is the entire game that isn't confirmed town. Like that's not saying much.
No this just means you haven’t read my filter.
My current lynch pool is you, jealous, real and dmb. That’s like 4 out of 9
5 of 9 is you 6 and 7 of 9 are DP and Vivax
You've dropped (for now) your scumreads of JAT/Rels despite calling them scum multiple times yesterday with not a lot of progression between them. I know what's in your filter, I've spent a decent amount of time in it today and throughout the last few days.
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two.
I already quoted this post earlier today and pointed out you're not really doing anything to get either Jealous or I lynched, you're just waiting around for the confirmed town folks to pick a direction and push.
Jealous's saving grace rn is that I'm not confident you would put a scumbuddy next to me, giving vivax or DP a 50% chance on where to push, especially since Vivax is already all over Jealous.
On March 17 2024 06:48 Vivax wrote: The hard part is getting iamperfection to vote Jealous he just sees big post and goes into awe and stupor
it had links vivax linksSSSSSSSSSS
The effort is really impressive ngl. Effort is only loosely connected with alignment though. Depending on the player.
He's also more binge-y effort wise rather than being consistently active. My own scumtell basically.
In defense of Jealous I don't think that's a fair scumtell, it's the weekend right now so I'm sure we can all be more active at the moment.
Over the entire game. D1 he didn't post for half of it then posted walls.
He also made a fair share of mistakes in his hasty catch ups.
The stuff last night was really bad, my current heavy suspicion of him right now has a lot to do with that as well as his convenient change in his top scum read for today.
On March 16 2024 18:53 Palmar wrote: I'm not caught up since the night, so my current view of the game has not shifted at all.
I think JAT did well under pressure, and despite my eternal annoyance with iamp I don't want to lynch him. Throw in my town circle of Vivax and DP and it becomes a 4 person PoE
MZ, Rels, Jealous, dmb
Out of those I have had a reason to townread dmb at some point in the game. And while I hate how Rels "feels" in the game I may have gone overboard scumreading him on that one post yesterday. By "feels" I mean that Rels is never, ever in the thick of things. He's always on the periphery and then wades in with some takes that everyone promptly ignores.
So I am currently looking at the following lynch pool
MZ and Jealous.
Iamp, being annoying as he usually is, complained about me not talking about MZ. That is actually a really good point. To me MZ has been the most invisible player in the game. At this point I've actually done fairly good dives on jat, Rels, Vivax, and smaller dives on dmb, jealous. I'm never reading DPs filter, and I'm not letting NK wifom change my mind that he's untouchable till lylo. Then MZ and Iamp himself are the people I've not really bothered to filter at all, but based on thread stuff I've assigned them their current rankings in my head.
I don't care about finding a "scum team". Today all I want is to murder one of the people who is actually scummy. And to me I think we have at least a 50% if not 100% chance of hitting mafia between those two.
I already quoted this post earlier today and pointed out you're not really doing anything to get either Jealous or I lynched, you're just waiting around for the confirmed town folks to pick a direction and push.
Jealous's saving grace rn is that I'm not confident you would put a scumbuddy next to me, giving vivax or DP a 50% chance on where to push, especially since Vivax is already all over Jealous.
Yeah.
Don’t know who I want to lynch, so not really pushing anything now.
But you haven't pushed anyone the entire game lmfao, this isn't anything new.
Also I just saw you "haven't dropped Rels" So really your pool is 5-9? You're like a leaf blowing in the wind.
On March 17 2024 07:17 Vivax wrote: MZ keeps saying he wants him lynched but here I am explaining to him why he can't be town
Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous?
If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous.
On March 17 2024 07:17 Vivax wrote: MZ keeps saying he wants him lynched but here I am explaining to him why he can't be town
Are you talking about Palmar or Jealous?
If for some reason Palmar is not a viable lynch at the end of the day I will 100% be voting Jealous, I just think Palmar is much more likely to be scum and also gives us more information on Jealous/Jat/maybe Rels. A scum Palmar will reinforce my sheeping of Koshi's reads and I'll be looking back at JAT as well as Jealous.
But I told you in our secret qt I’m not mafia
It feels like you're just trolling at this point.
I'm gonna go find some food and not stare at this forum for a bit.
On March 17 2024 03:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah Both Rels and DMB seem to have fallen off hard.
How so? I think I literally entered the thread every day at around the same time when my daughter is asleep, and probably played for more or less the same time (a few hours) before having to go to sleep Spoiler, tomorrow will be more of the same, we'll be downtown all day
Yeah fair, time zone differences are annoying, I catch up with the thread when I wake up and see a lot of certain people's posts that then taper off as the day goes on. And I think I already yelled at Vivax for using activity as a tell.
On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote: I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good.
I know I am playing bad.
Not really my question. My question was what you thought was "so bad" about MY play.
On March 16 2024 11:18 iamperfection wrote: my hierarchy of killing for a mafia team is - Confirmed by mechanics, Strong players making sense, Players making sense, blue snipes, Strong players, the rest.
See, my thinking is, if someone's reads are "too good" then lynching them might expose the scum team, right?
For someone that played since at least 2016, this is a pretty beginner question and thought process. Smells like fake interaction
Rels what do you think of Jealous's post flip play? I wrote some stuff on it last night.
On March 17 2024 12:55 Rels wrote: I have been reading DMB past games, kind hard to get info from it without reading the whole game again, but this might be a town tell on DMB ... this game:
On March 17 2024 10:46 Jealous wrote: I'm actually curious what die "why are there two nks?!" meatbaby considers "so bad" about my play. This should be good.
On December 18 2023 07:52 Palmar wrote: And I basically have the same feeling about dmb as you but I've written it off throughout the game as terrible town.
I would actually be somewhat relieved if she's mafia because then I don't have to call her bad in the postgame :D
STOP CALLING ME BAD TOWN!! when we lynch you we will see that I am right
On March 18 2024 00:39 Vivax wrote: Jealous what do you think of Rels scumreading TTS first then asking town for a lurker lynch?
So when we would have lynched tts and Rels were the first one scumreading him or just beeing the one who is the reason for lynching scum, then it would have got him Townreads...
TTS was useless for mafia. So pushing a lurker lynch would be okey for mafia also scum dp get a shot and using this to shoot useless mafia to get a hell of a Townreads is insane but insane enough for Dp´s mafia meta as well
Yeah that's the point he might have written TTS instead of lurker if he really scumread him
is it possibole Rels/DP together? who is the third
On March 18 2024 01:07 Vivax wrote: MZ are you reading this?
I'm reading your absolute insanity right now yes. You are so catastrophically tunneled that nothing you've said for the last few hours has been worth it.
Like why on earth are you asking Jealous why Rels is voting where he is. Ask Rels that. You seem to be setting up these questions that are designed to only scumread Jealous no matter what the answer is. At least Jealous is trying to answer the shit you're asking unlike Palmar who is probably having the time of his life watching you carry his defense this hard. Everything you accused DP of doing for Jealous, you're doing for Palmar at this point.
On March 18 2024 01:14 Vivax wrote: Why do you ensure town had to lose the game when cop got lynched, MZ? We got the martyrs out it's just not fair if you help your friends here.
Wtf are you on about now? I was flying the day cop got lynched, my vote was on Palmar, someone who is actually probably scum unlike cop who was obviously town. Don't get all whiney with me for that, just I was responsible for following you off of oats, you're responsible for you own vote on Cop.
On March 18 2024 01:07 Vivax wrote: MZ are you reading this?
I'm reading your absolute insanity right now yes. You are so catastrophically tunneled that nothing you've said for the last few hours has been worth it.
Like why on earth are you asking Jealous why Rels is voting where he is. Ask Rels that. You seem to be setting up these questions that are designed to only scumread Jealous no matter what the answer is. At least Jealous is trying to answer the shit you're asking unlike Palmar who is probably having the time of his life watching you carry his defense this hard. Everything you accused DP of doing for Jealous, you're doing for Palmar at this point.
Yea I think I've already reached my quota of taking abuse from Vivax for today, the last three days have left my gas tank pretty low. Gonna go do actual productive stuff like reading Rels' filter instead of defending myself against a train that will always stay on the same track.
If you get a wagon going on him I'll join it
No fucking way lmfao.
You spend the last several hours screeching about lynching Jealous but if he gets a wagon on Rels you'll join?
On March 18 2024 01:07 Vivax wrote: MZ are you reading this?
I'm reading your absolute insanity right now yes. You are so catastrophically tunneled that nothing you've said for the last few hours has been worth it.
Like why on earth are you asking Jealous why Rels is voting where he is. Ask Rels that. You seem to be setting up these questions that are designed to only scumread Jealous no matter what the answer is. At least Jealous is trying to answer the shit you're asking unlike Palmar who is probably having the time of his life watching you carry his defense this hard. Everything you accused DP of doing for Jealous, you're doing for Palmar at this point.
Yea I think I've already reached my quota of taking abuse from Vivax for today, the last three days have left my gas tank pretty low. Gonna go do actual productive stuff like reading Rels' filter instead of defending myself against a train that will always stay on the same track.
If you get a wagon going on him I'll join it
No fucking way lmfao.
You spend the last several hours screeching about lynching Jealous but if he gets a wagon on Rels you'll join?
Unreal.
What's unreal? I said it yesterday already.
I'm trying to preserve game integrity because it has to be broken if he doesn't get lynched today
You and iamperfection keep talking about game integrity and I am so lost as to where you think it's been broken.
On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote: Jealous I might be willing to unvote you on one condition: Don‘t case MZ or Palmar. Acknowledge that Rels calling TTS mafia and then deferring to a random lurker lynch is scummy, and case him instead.
What gives, MZ?
This is more of what I'm talking about with the way you've approached this, like his only out is to call Rels scum.
Do you think Rels is scum? I asked that to DMB a bit earlier.
On March 17 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote: Jealous I might be willing to unvote you on one condition: Don‘t case MZ or Palmar. Acknowledge that Rels calling TTS mafia and then deferring to a random lurker lynch is scummy, and case him instead.
What gives, MZ?
This is more of what I'm talking about with the way you've approached this, like his only out is to call Rels scum.
Do you think Rels is scum? I asked that to DMB a bit earlier.
He's the only one I'm willing to compromise on if we don't do Jealous. Koshi's readslist before the NK.
I think he was wrong on you fwiw but I'm not even sure it was a real read.
Maybe he wanted to see if Jealous or Rels would try to push you. They don't. I can see why.
Ok now we're getting somewhere sweet. I think we were just talking past each other for the last page.
So you're pretty set Palmar is town at this point and the team is Jealous, Rels, XX?
On March 18 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vivax I really would love to hear your scum team.
What’s yours?
If we don't lynch you today, you're just gonna coast and win the game, I'm starting to accept that reality.
Not afraid the other two won’t do the same?
Not at all, after we get you, Vivax will make sure we do Jealous tomorrow and then it'll be down to the last one left, I'm guessing I'll survive until at least then since scum have to kill DP at some point.
On March 18 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vivax I really would love to hear your scum team.
What’s yours?
If we don't lynch you today, you're just gonna coast and win the game, I'm starting to accept that reality.
Not afraid the other two won’t do the same?
Not at all, after we get you, Vivax will make sure we do Jealous tomorrow and then it'll be down to the last one left, I'm guessing I'll survive until at least then since scum have to kill DP at some point.
How can I make sure of that if we can't hit him for two days. Hell I started scumreading him D2.
Because there will be no Palmar and I'll vote with you?
I know you think Jealous has somehow scumclaimed, in my eyes Palmar has done so even worse by his flat-out refusal to even try at this point. I give Palmar 90% chance of scum, I still give Jealous only like a 70% chance of being scum since he's been at least putting in effort. Granted I know oats did too, but it's better than Palmar essentially laughing in our faces while we try to lynch him.
On March 18 2024 01:31 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Vivax I really would love to hear your scum team.
What’s yours?
If we don't lynch you today, you're just gonna coast and win the game, I'm starting to accept that reality.
Not afraid the other two won’t do the same?
Not at all, after we get you, Vivax will make sure we do Jealous tomorrow and then it'll be down to the last one left, I'm guessing I'll survive until at least then since scum have to kill DP at some point.
How can I make sure of that if we can't hit him for two days. Hell I started scumreading him D2.
Because there will be no Palmar and I'll vote with you?
I know you think Jealous has somehow scumclaimed, in my eyes Palmar has done so even worse by his flat-out refusal to even try at this point. I give Palmar 90% chance of scum, I still give Jealous only like a 70% chance of being scum since he's been at least putting in effort. Granted I know oats did too, but it's better than Palmar essentially laughing in our faces while we try to lynch him.
How can you say Palmar hasn't tried. He said he's very interested in this game. His fiilter is huge. He's posting on a weekend. What else do you need.
Yeah but his filter is trash, it's easy to spam jokes and one liners to get a big filter. Copcake had a 35 page filter lolol. Filter length is NAI at this point in the game. Palmar keeps calling me invisible but I haven't bloated my filter up with bs the way he has.
Vivax I think we're just gonna disagree on this at the point we're at but I think we're on the right track so I'm content to let it be. I promise I'll reread Rels at some point today but right now I need to do some cleaning and chores since my parents are coming to visit and my house looks like what you'd expect for a single late 20s early 30s man to look like.
I set an alarm to come back and check the thread, doesn't seem like much has changed.
I did enjoy this post:
On March 18 2024 07:33 Palmar wrote: I'm really enjoying this game btw.
Not because I think I'm playing well (I'm not) or that it's easy (It's not). It's actually been really hard on occasion to motivate myself to get back to the computer and yet again defend against the mountains of bullshit.
But on the other hand, from a community/game perspective, we're dealing with a really solid performance by mafia here.
The one really disappointing bit is that our blues absolutely sucked. None of the claims were needed, and now we have no recourse. Just imagine how useful a green or red check would be today? Or maybe JSL is still alive if he doesn't claim gunsmith. Maybe mafia tries to claim it and he knows he can cc if they try.
But whatever, it is what it is. We probably concentrated our blue power on day 1 and 2, and since then we've been flying solo. It's been hard.
Straight up mocking us to our faces at this point.
DMB is making me nervous shenanigans are afoot again, I will not vote for anybody but Palmar or Jealous this cycle.
On March 18 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote: This town, lynching a 25 page Palmar on a weekend with a 90% marv townread behind me.
What an artist the world is losing!
I don’t think you are getting lynched fwiw.
Iamp hasn't moved. And even then, unless Jealous is town, mafia can just take this lynch as long as even one of them is reasonably hidden.
Like they can sacrifice 2 for 1 here, shut down all discussion for the next 2 cycles as the counterlynches happen, and leave very tired and strategically picked 2 townies left with the best hidden mafia in lylo.
It's going to be me or Jealous, and everyone else should vote the same person. It should be 8v1 in either direction because splitting this allows mafia to control the vote.
I know it won't happen because people are stubborn egomaniacs, but that would allow town to guarantee the lynch with no bullshit shenanigans.
HE'S GIVING YOU THEIR GAME PLAN RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES LMFAO. This is why I say Palmar first Vivax.
On March 18 2024 08:00 Palmar wrote: This town, lynching a 25 page Palmar on a weekend with a 90% marv townread behind me.
What an artist the world is losing!
I don’t think you are getting lynched fwiw.
Iamp hasn't moved. And even then, unless Jealous is town, mafia can just take this lynch as long as even one of them is reasonably hidden.
Like they can sacrifice 2 for 1 here, shut down all discussion for the next 2 cycles as the counterlynches happen, and leave very tired and strategically picked 2 townies left with the best hidden mafia in lylo.
It's going to be me or Jealous, and everyone else should vote the same person. It should be 8v1 in either direction because splitting this allows mafia to control the vote.
I know it won't happen because people are stubborn egomaniacs, but that would allow town to guarantee the lynch with no bullshit shenanigans.
HE'S GIVING YOU THEIR GAME PLAN RIGHT HERE IN FRONT OF YOUR FACES LMFAO. This is why I say Palmar first Vivax.
On March 18 2024 01:39 Vivax wrote: DMB why are you ninjavoting DP. For the love of god please stay on Jealous. I can't handle so many betrayals.
I don't want to lynch jealous! Rels or dp... who do you want?
Neither of these lynches are going to happen today, who is the third scum? Why do you ask who vivax wants? It's abundantly clear he wants Jealous.
He is mayjor and he is doeing shit here. He tunnels this man. Tunneling leads to misslynch. I only played 5 games, but i was reading over 20 games for sure and when a townie was tunnel always shit happend
He's doing the exact same thing DP is doing, and the fact that he's mayor doesn't matter anymore, he's just a loud player pushing his read. I get that you think DP is scum but functionally he and vivax are playing the same way today. You can dislike their chosen targets but you have to provide a convincing alternative. Who is the third scum?
On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote: I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway
so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol.
I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now.
On March 18 2024 09:47 Vivax wrote: I don‘t know if I can survive more of this game without getting put into a straitjacket.
Maybe I should do what others do and mislynch someone. Stop being so ambitious about the game.
Let Jello live? I‘d have proven my point anyway
so what do you want to do. Lynch Palmar. He did say something super scummy earlier he called me a good player i genuinely don't think he believes that lol.
I'll keep my vote here but I'll stop fighting and be mad if you change your mind. It was a good battle, I'm spent. I think I prefer harmony now.
Pretty much where I've been at
so you all just give up and accept that dp scum is to good with his Town wagons that he pushed and made us vote them?
lmfao no, I think Palmar and Jealous are scum, I just would rather lynch Palmar since he is actively taunting the thread.
On March 18 2024 10:41 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: And people why we haven't lynched scum this game.
This is exactly how scum like Palmar get away.
why do you townread dp so strong? why would he shoot TTS? Why would mafia not roleblock him if they know that he as a gun as he claimed it. Why is this gun making him so fucking town and why is he not getting nk when he this much townconfirmed how does that make sense?
I scumread Palmar and Jealous and now you tbh.
No room in my PoE for DP even if I had questions about the RB which I don't bc we already beat that horse to death on D3.
You are actively trying to prevent either a person who is openly taunting the town as scum or a person who has aggressively slipped several times. I have no idea what vivax is doing but he's still town to me unfortunately, you on the other hand are actively trying to prevent two of my scumreads from getting lynched.
On March 18 2024 10:30 Vivax wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: DP
You are voting with your scum read that is lock mafia according to you you realise?
Yeah because I feel awful after hammering on him all day.
You on the other hand gave me reason to feel less awful if I lynched you
Wait so you are doing this because I yelled at you?
You realise as mafia my strat is to pocket the townies right.
Whatever you want tho vivax.
Honestly.
No I took it personally that you manipulated me specifically into voting copcake. And you didn‘t give a fuck about it afterwards.
So now you're trying to lynch him rather than your scumread who you now "feel bad for"?
Believe it or not. I‘ll have to switch back to him for my win condition if I have to but I‘d still prefer DP
So you admit that voting DP is just out of rage and that you KNOW Jealous is a vote that actually pushes town wincon but you just had to try and pull some shenanigans. No wonder we haven't lynched scum.
On March 18 2024 10:56 Vivax wrote: MZ needs a scapegoat if Palmar flips town apparently. I mean, he could just go to Jealous ?
I don't need a scapegoat, I own this cradle to grave. I have no such concerns about Palmar flipping town. I'm just pointing out you can't be mad that Jealous isn't getting lynched instead.
Here's the deal Vivax, no matter Palmar's flip, I own it. You can lynch me tomorrow if he's somehow town bc at that point I don't even want to read the game.
On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote: Jealous town reads me all game and then makes that vote?
Might as well come clean about those reads I mentioned earlier.
I thought long and hard about it and I put both you and Vivax in my PivotTier.
The streets are red with townie blood. Under the leadership of Vivax and DP, we have only lynched town. When reason fails, we have to invert reason. So, either both of you are scum, or you are scum. You said so yourself, basically. So, the inverted world logic demands that you are scum.
If you're town, I'm sorry. If you're scum, masterfully played, but...
On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote: Jealous town reads me all game and then makes that vote?
Might as well come clean about those reads I mentioned earlier.
I thought long and hard about it and I put both you and Vivax in my PivotTier.
The streets are red with townie blood. Under the leadership of Vivax and DP, we have only lynched town. When reason fails, we have to invert reason. So, either both of you are scum, or you are scum. You said so yourself, basically. So, the inverted world logic demands that you are scum.
If you're town, I'm sorry. If you're scum, masterfully played, but...
On March 18 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote: I'm not moving.
I was wrong Vivax
There. I said it. This is my fault and this post is exactly what you were talking about all day.
I‘m not mad if you mislynch but saying it‘s my fault you don‘t switch to the Jealous because I briefly shenannied off is very rude
I wasn't saying it was your fault I wasn't switching to Jealous, just that you couldn't blame me that I didn't switch because I was open about wanting Palmar.
I'm fucking pissed, I'm gonna go do something else with my time and cool off.
On March 18 2024 10:47 DarthPunk wrote: Jealous town reads me all game and then makes that vote?
Might as well come clean about those reads I mentioned earlier.
I thought long and hard about it and I put both you and Vivax in my PivotTier.
The streets are red with townie blood. Under the leadership of Vivax and DP, we have only lynched town. When reason fails, we have to invert reason. So, either both of you are scum, or you are scum. You said so yourself, basically. So, the inverted world logic demands that you are scum.
If you're town, I'm sorry. If you're scum, masterfully played, but...
On March 18 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote: I'm not moving.
I was wrong Vivax
There. I said it. This is my fault and this post is exactly what you were talking about all day.
I‘m not mad if you mislynch but saying it‘s my fault you don‘t switch to the Jealous because I briefly shenannied off is very rude
I wasn't saying it was your fault I wasn't switching to Jealous, just that you couldn't blame me that I didn't switch because I was open about wanting Palmar.
I'm fucking pissed, I'm gonna go do something else with my time and cool off.
I'm flying today and going on a trip so it's gonna be a lot of phone posting for me. Probably just gonna sheep vivax a fair bit since I owe him that much.
I'm gonna be phone posting forever, I'm at an exercise with no wifi.
I'm trying to wrap my head around how scum DMB plays yesterday the way she did when Palmar was town. I guess it could be chalked up to wild scum play but it would have been so easy for her to park her vote on Palmar and fuck off if she and Jealous are both scum.
I'm still leaning towards sheeping vivax at this point and voting jealous, he tried for 3 days to get that lynch and between his flip and the amount of opposition to Jealous I can't help but feel like he was on to something.
I totally think the way DMB played yesterday was terrible for town and scummy without context, but can someone who is voting DMB explain how you're reconciling the fact that Palmar was a safe place for scum DMB to park her vote, regardless of Jealous's alignment. Like in the context of the day, why does she do that?
OK I reread the night post and beyond as best I could but I'm not really seeing anything that directly addresses my question, since Palmar was town, why does DMB do what she did?
I'm not gonna argue she looks absolutely terrible yesterday, but it's mylo so I want to be certain of my vote when I place it. Rels please address why scum DMB does what she did when town Palmar was available for her to vote for and probably not end up in the spotlight the same way she is right now. Also does vivax flip change any of how you're reading?
I'm going to feel like I've committed a deep wound to my honor if I don't sheep Vivax like i said I would, especially after he died and isn't here to lead that lynch.
On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote: Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day?
Just about to ask this myself, kinda feels like she's opportunistically trying to vote whoever she thinks others will follow her on. Vivax had jealous lined up last night, maybe she thought more would bite, I was certainly leaning that way initially.
And now the DP vote since that got traction yesterday.
Won't be surprised if she tries Rels later. The trick is going to be figuring out if she's bussing or just trying to throw us off her teammates for tomorrow.
I still think Jealous is a reasonable teammate for her to have, one of the only ways yesterday makes sense.
On March 19 2024 14:47 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: OK I reread the night post and beyond as best I could but I'm not really seeing anything that directly addresses my question, since Palmar was town, why does DMB do what she did?
I'm not gonna argue she looks absolutely terrible yesterday, but it's mylo so I want to be certain of my vote when I place it. Rels please address why scum DMB does what she did when town Palmar was available for her to vote for and probably not end up in the spotlight the same way she is right now. Also does vivax flip change any of how you're reading?
I'm going to feel like I've committed a deep wound to my honor if I don't sheep Vivax like i said I would, especially after he died and isn't here to lead that lynch.
Is the question, why didn't she push Palmar? My guess is that it was a play together with Jealous to appear like partners not really wanting to push each other. If that's true, that was really beautifully played
OK I can see this line of thinking, I can also see scum feeling the need to pull big plays as the game goes late.
I haven't been happy with DMBs posts today, I'm not gonna lie I had the same thought Jealous did regarding DMB's German post, tbh I'd put that in the same category as Jealous "forgetting" Koshi was dead in his meticulously color coded post flip post.
I have had a long as fuck day and it's going to be another long one tomorrow. I will also not be around for the end of day as I've got a flight tomorrow night. I am going to wake up and try to reread what's been posted over the last 24 hours and make a final determination at that point.
On March 20 2024 11:31 Rels wrote: And to answer JAT, I didn't see anything from DMB that couldn't come from scum. I disagree that the dumb tunnel and aggressiveness cannot come from scum!her, since she was similar in the other scum game she played
I also think Jealous is scum though, also didn't see anything that would have changed my mind, not a fan of most of his posts today, ironically except the ones on DMB (I guess it's easier when you have to case an actual scum ...)
Would prefer a DMB flip today, but whatever happens while I'm away tomorrow, I'll vote with the majority. I'll be around for the lynch, on my phone in the worst case
This post pretty solidly sums up my thoughts as well. I just can't decide whether a DMB or Jealous flip helps us more for tomorrow. That's probably what we need to focus on now.
I've reread the day so far and I'm staying on DMB. Scum is bussing at this point but we need a red flip in order to get to tomorrow.
Plus I agree with perfection, we've failed at every shenanigans we've attempted so far so I'm comfortable just staying the course right now and untangling the last two tomorrow.
I'm sure I've nuked my town meta for all time but I wanna make one thing clear, when I say I'm gone for flying that's legit, not an excuse to not be active. I just got back from stuff tonight.
I have some thoughts on some things from this game, one of which is the idea of using activity as a heuristic for scum reading people. I'll try and share them when I get home from this exercise next week if people are still interested.
On March 21 2024 22:51 Palmar wrote: My ass just so damn lynchable
We had to lynch you once we learned you were the BG, that day was do or die for us and tbh I think town should have caught DP and I based on that day because we definitely overplayed our hand there. My only advantage is that I was calling you scum from the day before.
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