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ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
August 23 2025 07:00 GMT
#1
It was a long while since I last spent money on a game that had gacha ("Gacha" (or the misspelling "gatcha") refers to a video game mechanic where players spend in-game currency or real money to receive random virtual items, similar to a lottery or vending machine. The term originates from Japanese "gachapon," referring to coin-operated capsule toy vending machines, where "gasha" is the sound of cranking the machine and "pon" is the sound of the prize dropping). - p2w elements in it.
I believe one of the first mainstream games that did such thing was FIFA with it's Ultimate Team mode, I will get back to it as well in the story later.
Then for me was Genshin Impact and after a while was Medal Heroes that I used to play with my best friend and we used to compete who would perform better etc.

I never also stopped playing Starcraft here and there sometimes CS GO sometimes I d get back into some WoW classic and another favorite game of mine was DayZ which I still believe it s a great game but the downside is you need to find a nice group of people to play with and also there are cheaters/hackers and the community around this game is run mostly by modded servers that have discord servers and can be quite toxic.

Let's get into the present and the reason behind my blog. Almost a year ago I started playing a mobile game (Yes I know- BAD IDEA) called Age of Empires mobile. Which is an okay game, has some theory crafting and a nice community actually that's the main reason I didn't quit the game some months ago because they introduced migrations meaning you can transfer your character to another server and play with more active people etc etc.

So all this time I was spending money to improve my account, be stronger etc. etc. Roughly I had an idea of around how much I spent on the game and I was kind of okay with it. Almost a week ago I sat down and did all the calculations from my credit card and found out the exact amount which was 1/3 of what I thought I spent and the amount spent was kind of shocking, I couldn't sleep the whole night.

Immediately what came to mind was that I need to stop playing the game and for sure stop spending on it but for me that is not possible because when I know I have invested money and especially a lot of money into something I just can't let go.
And then it hit me. What if there is a way I could refund all the transactions made?
I read a bit on the https://aoemobile.com/policy/eula.html and found some very weird statements in there such as:

10. Refunds
Subject to applicable law (including as described in each country-specific addendum below), or App Store policy, (i) all Games, Virtual Goods and Game Currency remain our property, have no monetary value and are not redeemable, refundable, or eligible for any other alternate remedy for any “real world” money or anything of monetary value, unless they are defective, unavailable, or do not perform in accordance with the specifications we provide; (ii) we may revoke your license to such Games, Virtual Goods and/or Game Currency at any time consistent with this EULA without notice or liability to you; and (iii) except where the law in your jurisdiction provides a right of withdrawal that cannot be waived by contract, by purchasing and using any Games, Virtual Goods and/or Game Currency, you hereby waive your right to withdraw from your agreement to purchase the applicable Game, Virtual and/or Game Currency, and you agree that you will therefore not be eligible to receive a refund (or any alternative remedy) in relation to such Game, Virtual Good and/or Game Currency. Additionally, you hereby agree that any withdrawal right expires immediately upon purchase and delivery of your Game, Virtual Good and/or Game Currency, unless the law in your jurisdiction provides otherwise. This section does not affect your statutory rights.


I searched around a bit and there are some options banks give you or google play which are:
1) Someone without your permission did the transactions (which I have no idea if that could work since nowadays whenever you try and purchase something a notification on your phone pops up and you have to approve it).
2) You are dissatisfied with the purchases
3) Never received the products
4) I received another product and not the one I purchased or the product I purchased was faulty
5) Other reasons

I also want to share a story that happened to me at around 2019. I was playing FIFA and I had spent around 2000-2500 euro in it's game mode: Ultimate Team.
One day I log into my account and half my team was gone so basically I got hacked. I called customer support they told me my account was indeed hacked, they gave me back some players but what they gave me back had nothing to do with what I used to have, to give you a better understanding my team was worth 25M coins and they gave me back a team that was worth 5M coins. So I called them again and they said they can't do anything besides that. So I asked them for refunds they said they can't do refunds and then I told them I d go to my bank and they said I wouldn't advise you to do that, I don't think that will get you anywhere.
So I went to my bank I explained the situation after 3 months I had all my money back but the EA account I had was banned and also they banned my PSN account which the purchases were made from so basically my PlayStation couldn't play online games anymore but for me that was fine because I sold my PlayStation to someone that wanted it for his little brother and he didn't want him to get online anyway and yes basically with 2000-2500 euro you can just buy a new one so no sweat.

Gacha games really are a big addiction and once you start spending it is very hard to stop.
If anyone has any experience on refunding and how the law protects addiction in such cases would be good to know.


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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44238 Posts
August 24 2025 11:13 GMT
#2
As somebody who plays gacha games. Gacha is indeed addicting and can be evil xD

Based on your story it really depends on the bank and how good the CS is for the particular gacha game. Like some of them are you have no chance like EA is just incompetent

I heard some banks are willing to reverse what you spent on gacha but that would also lead to a ban. Kinda case by case basis
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TropicalHaze
Profile Joined May 2014
Finland60 Posts
August 24 2025 17:27 GMT
#3
This sounds like a gambling addiction and I feel for you. You have spent thousands of euros and then suddenly get some sort of clarity and ruin your night's sleep. I don't want to tell a grown person how to live his life but having battled a gambling addiction of my own in the past I would suggest you to stop or if unable to then seek some outside advice. After all, it doesn't matter if it's a "gacha game" or a slot machine at a casino, the basis of the addiction is the same.
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sophiyaraj
Profile Joined August 2025
1 Post
August 25 2025 08:10 GMT
#4
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CaucasianAsian
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Korea (South)11591 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-26 00:36:42
August 25 2025 10:16 GMT
#5
Your experience sounds very familiar to what I have seen when I worked in the mobile gaming industry
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17267 Posts
August 25 2025 21:31 GMT
#6
the gacha games are not evil. the people who prey upon the vices and weaknesses of others are bad. video games creation in general is hardly a noble venture.

Just contrast people who create gaming software supporting gambling habits versus people who create tech and products for the insurance industry. One group contributes towards the creation of risk where none existed. The other group contributes towards the pooling of risk between a group of people vulnerable to a massive loss.

Chat GPT says it best.
Gambling: Creates risk you didn’t have (you add variance to your wealth). Zero-sum between players, negative-sum after the house edge.

Insurance: Transfers/mitigates risk you already have (you pay to reduce variance). Negative EV for the buyer (premium > expected loss) but positive social value via risk-pooling.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10315 Posts
August 26 2025 15:08 GMT
#7
I never understood Gacha mechanics really until I got a job and found myself thinking "well, it's just 5 bucks every month, how bad can it be?" for Mahjong Soul's monthly charm that gives you 10 rolls a month. And well, yeah I can see how addicting it can be. I don't really whale that much, outside of the $5/month, if I really want something like a skin for a set price, I'll buy it. But I make it a rule that I don't buy more rolls with an uncertain chance of getting something because I'm very risk averse.

Ultimately, it's up to people to understand what they're getting into and to whale responsibly, but there should be more warnings and more support for those who do end up with gambling addictions. It's really sad to see someone blow through their savings with intense FOMO that manifests itself in the Gacha world.
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aubreylync0
Profile Joined August 2025
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August 27 2025 08:57 GMT
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mexbrock1
Profile Joined July 2025
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Last Edited: 2025-08-27 12:56:04
August 27 2025 11:51 GMT
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ffswowsucks
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Greece2297 Posts
August 30 2025 00:58 GMT
#10
On August 27 2025 00:08 FlaShFTW wrote:
I never understood Gacha mechanics really until I got a job and found myself thinking "well, it's just 5 bucks every month, how bad can it be?" for Mahjong Soul's monthly charm that gives you 10 rolls a month. And well, yeah I can see how addicting it can be. I don't really whale that much, outside of the $5/month, if I really want something like a skin for a set price, I'll buy it. But I make it a rule that I don't buy more rolls with an uncertain chance of getting something because I'm very risk averse.

Ultimately, it's up to people to understand what they're getting into and to whale responsibly, but there should be more warnings and more support for those who do end up with gambling addictions. It's really sad to see someone blow through their savings with intense FOMO that manifests itself in the Gacha world.


It started off with like 20$/month. But after joining a really really big community-alliance I started spending the bonuses I was getting from work which are 3month each time. The amount I spent overall is something over 5k$ under 10k$ to give a rough idea.

I accepted the loss. I am a healthy guy meaning I will make back the money lost. For now, I realized the amount spent is more than enough to keep me playing the game as a f2p - semi spend - like 20$ /month again and that is what I am going to do.

In other news I am rank 1 on a site in Tichu (been playing it for a long time and I find it a really cool game).
Prolly gonna hit legend after getting back in hearthstone (took a break for many years from it).
And I installed GTA V which I had in my library but never really finished it and heard the multiplayer is kind of cool too.
Terran in particular is a notoriously strong race for a no brain skillhand bot style.
Phynixor
Profile Joined November 2025
1 Post
November 03 2025 12:33 GMT
#11
It was a long while since I last spent money on a game that had gacha ("Gacha" (or the misspelling "gatcha") refers to a video game mechanic where players spend in-game currency or real money to receive random virtual items, similar to a lottery or vending machine. The term originates from Japanese "gachapon," referring to coin-operated capsule toy vending machines, where "gasha" is the sound of cranking the machine and "pon" is the sound of the prize dropping). - p2w elements in it.
I believe one of the first mainstream games that did such thing was FIFA with it's Ultimate Team mode, I will get back to it as well in the story later.
Then for me was Genshin Impact and after a while was Medal Heroes that I used to play with my best friend and we used to compete who would perform better etc.

I never also stopped playing Starcraft here and there sometimes CS GO sometimes I d get back into some WoW classic and another favorite game of mine was DayZ which I still believe it s a great game but the downside is you need to find a nice group of people to play with and also there are cheaters/hackers and the community around this game is run mostly by modded servers that have discord servers and can be quite toxic.

Let's get into the present and the reason behind my blog. Almost a year ago I started playing a mobile game (Yes I know- BAD IDEA) called Age of Empires mobile. Which is an okay game, has some theory crafting and a nice community actually that's the main reason I didn't quit the game some months ago because they introduced migrations meaning you can transfer your character to another server and play with more active people etc etc.

So all this time I was spending money to improve my account, be stronger etc. etc. Roughly I had an idea of around how much I spent on the game and I was kind of okay with it. Almost a week ago I sat down and did all the calculations from my credit card and found out the exact amount which was 1/3 of what I thought I spent and the amount spent was kind of shocking, I couldn't sleep the whole night.

Immediately what came to mind was that I need to stop playing the game and for sure stop spending on it but for me that is not possible because when I know I have invested money and especially a lot of money into something I just can't let go.
And then it hit me. What if there is a way I could refund all the transactions made?
I read a bit on the https://aoemobile.com/policy/eula.html and found some very weird statements in there such as:

10. Refunds
Subject to applicable law (including as described in each country-specific addendum below), or App Store policy, (i) all Games, Virtual Goods and Game Currency remain our property, have no monetary value and are not redeemable, refundable, or eligible for any other alternate remedy for any “real world” money or anything of monetary value, unless they are defective, unavailable, or do not perform in accordance with the specifications we provide; (ii) we may revoke your license to such Games, Virtual Goods and/or Game Currency at any time consistent with this EULA without notice or liability to you; and (iii) except where the law in your jurisdiction provides a right of withdrawal that cannot be waived by contract, by purchasing and using any Games, Virtual Goods and/or Game Currency, you hereby waive your right to withdraw from your agreement to purchase the applicable Game, Virtual and/or Game Currency, and you agree that you will therefore not be eligible to receive a refund (or any alternative remedy) in relation to such Game, Virtual Good and/or Game Currency. Additionally, you hereby agree that any withdrawal right expires immediately upon purchase and delivery of your Game, Virtual Good and/or Game Currency, unless the law in your jurisdiction provides otherwise. This section does not affect your statutory rights.


I searched around a bit and there are some options banks give you or google play which are:
1) Someone without your permission did the transactions (which I have no idea if that could work since nowadays whenever you try and purchase something a notification on your phone pops up and you have to approve it).
2) You are dissatisfied with the purchases
3) Never received the products
4) I received another product and not the one I purchased or the product I purchased was faulty
5) Other reasons

I also want to share a story that happened to me at around 2019. I was playing FIFA and I had spent around 2000-2500 euro in it's game mode: Ultimate Team.
One day I log into my account and half my team was gone so basically I got hacked. I called customer support they told me my account was indeed hacked, they gave me back some players but what they gave me back had nothing to do with what I used to have, to give you a better understanding my team was worth 25M coins and they gave me back a team that was worth 5M coins. So I called them again and they said they can't do anything besides that. So I asked them for refunds they said they can't do refunds and then I told them I d go to my bank and they said I wouldn't advise you to do that, I don't think that will get you anywhere.
So I went to my bank I explained the situation after 3 months I had all my money back but the EA account I had was banned and also they banned my PSN account which the purchases were made from so basically my PlayStation couldn't play online games anymore but for me that was fine because I sold my PlayStation to someone that wanted it for his little brother and he didn't want him to get online anyway and yes basically with 2000-2500 euro you can just buy a new one so no sweat.

Gacha games really are a big addiction and once you start spending it is very hard to stop.
If anyone has any experience on refunding and how the law protects addiction in such cases would be good to know.

As you saw in the EULA, most publishers (including the Age of Empires Mobile team) explicitly state that virtual items have no monetary value and are non-refundable. This is industry-standard and legally defensible in most jurisdictions. They treat your purchases as a license to access digital content, not a purchase of ownership.
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