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Patch 5.9: Live on May 14th, 2015
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Does the Hecarim change make him a good jungler?
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Ashe rework looks like fun. Riot should revert Warrior 5 ad nerf..... especially considering how popular juggernaut is.
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Mini nerfs everywhere...
I like the card suit skins a lot. It's thematically fun~
On May 14 2015 05:22 Ansibled wrote:
Does the Hecarim change make him a good jungler?
Hec was a decent Jungler before. The real question is, does this make him better Jungler than Top Lane. Answer is still no.
On May 14 2015 05:23 wei2coolman wrote:
Ashe rework looks like fun. Riot should revert Warrior 5 ad nerf..... especially considering how popular juggernaut is.
dat juggernaut. zz
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Lowering League's overall power level so that new champions can swoop in and be dominant. The Riot way.
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On May 14 2015 Suess wrote:
You need help though. Your stun is only 2.25 seconds, and your ult trail is 4 seconds ago. It'll be tricky.
I more thought W while kiting, R back into the W to activate the stun plus get the damage.
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If new Ashe sucks to play I'll be salty.
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I'm really annoyed by the hecarim changes especially when combined with this gem from the Skirmisher nerf explanation
We're curbing some of his repeated aggression when it comes to sustained Q usage, but unlocking its full potential against monsters so he can gallop freely in the jungle. (That's where horses are from, right?)
It's worth re-emphasizing that we do like emergent gameplay when it pops up - as long as it doesn't stifle champion diversity (ie: if top lane becomes "who can use Challenging Smite the best?" that would be concerning).
it actually doesn't matter that smite was popular top when ignite is still better on most mids and exhaust is better for others as well as supports in certain team-wide match ups. it's not like smite was drowning out these summoners, if anything the fact that people were skipping Flash for like the first time in 3 years (I think the old exhaust jungle shy was the last time it happened) is more of a good thing for this diversity they claim it chokes out than a bad thing.
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On May 14 2015 05:27 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 Seuss wrote:
You need help though. Your stun is only 2.25 seconds, and your ult trail is 4 seconds ago. It'll be tricky. I more thought W while kiting, R back into the W to activate the stun plus get the damage.
It's still tricky since there's a 3 second delay before the W field activates, and so long as your enemies have vision of you they can see where you'll reappear. In theory it won't take long before people learn not to walk face first into that.
In practice it'll be just like Singed.
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On May 14 2015 05:29 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
If new Ashe sucks to play I'll be salty.
is it possible to fuck it up worse than Veigar and Ryze?
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Morgana is already shit in lane unless you pick her 2nd don't understand why you nerf her w lol(supp obv)
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On May 14 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
Hec was a decent Jungler before. The real question is, does this make him better Jungler than Top Lane. Answer is still no.
"Answer is still no"
-After his Q does 50% more damage than it did before
-After his Q which he needs to spam in lane mosts 50% more mana.
-After the cinderhulk smite duration is 50% less
-After you've played how many games in both top and jungle hecarim this patch?
How are you so sure?
Also don't know what you're talking about mini nerfs
huge buffs for olaf and xin zhao
I don't play olaf but scip does and I'm starting to get decent at xin
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On May 14 2015 05:32 nafta wrote:
Morgana is already shit in lane unless you pick her 2nd don't understand why you nerf her w lol(supp obv)
yea this makes no sense, especially since you usually just raw cast it without bind to proc your spelltheif, it does like 0 effective damage in lane already
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morg isnt weak in lane against supports she completely counters with her spellshield lol
just because stupid champions that should have been nerfed ages ago like thresh exist doesnt mean morgana is weak
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Hec's ability to 100-0 adc in like half a second due to Ult base damage + passive (with homeguard teleport shenanigans) is still problematic.
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On May 14 2015 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
Hec was a decent Jungler before. The real question is, does this make him better Jungler than Top Lane. Answer is still no.
"Answer is still no" -After his Q does 50% more damage than it did before -After his Q which he needs to spam in lane mosts 50% more mana. -After the cinderhulk smite duration is 50% less -After you've played how many games in both top and jungle hecarim this patch? How are you so sure?
I mean he can just go back to ignite, the biggest problem, I'm guessing, is he will be harder to blind pick simply because you probably only want to play him into physical match ups so he can rush glacial, he's still way better top just because he isn't that good until he's pretty farmed, same reason he has always been a mid tier jungler despite being great late, if it hurts him enough to push him out of top he's like a better version of master yi, non terrible but not great ganks but puts a timer on the game with his scaling
On May 14 2015 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
morg isnt weak in lane against supports she completely counters with her spellshield lol
just because stupid champions that should have been nerfed ages ago like thresh exist doesnt mean morgana is weak
I think what he was saying (and what I am saying) is
W damage is irrelevant to almost all of her match ups even the good ones. 9 of 10 casts is, oh look they are standing close enough I can empty my spell thief with 1 tick, sick 40 damage!
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awww no 70% trundle dildo slow :[
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The problem with smite is that you can use it to farm shit instead of actually have to fight the other guy in lane. Hecarim was super toxic with this. Not only can he do the homeguard to lane to gank or just insta clear a wave base and homeguard again he can also just jungle if he's getting zoned.
On May 14 2015 05:38 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:On May 14 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
Hec was a decent Jungler before. The real question is, does this make him better Jungler than Top Lane. Answer is still no.
"Answer is still no" -After his Q does 50% more damage than it did before -After his Q which he needs to spam in lane mosts 50% more mana. -After the cinderhulk smite duration is 50% less -After you've played how many games in both top and jungle hecarim this patch? How are you so sure? I mean he can just go back to ignite, the biggest problem, I'm guessing, is he will be harder to blind pick simply because you probably only want to play him into physical match ups so he can rush glacial, he's still way better top just because he isn't that good until he's pretty farmed, same reason he has always been a mid tier jungler despite being great late, if it hurts him enough to push him out of top he's like a better version of master yi, non terrible but not great ganks but puts a timer on the game with his scaling Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
morg isnt weak in lane against supports she completely counters with her spellshield lol
just because stupid champions that should have been nerfed ages ago like thresh exist doesnt mean morgana is weak I think what he was saying (and what I am saying) is W damage is irrelevant to almost all of her match ups even the good ones.
You're saying one of her spells is irrelevant?
I get that its not essentially important but the ability to push the wave on a champion who relies on a skillshot is pretty huge. Getting stuck where you cant hit binding and when you lose trades can be bad but if you always outpush them this is never a concern.
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On May 14 2015 05:40 Slayer91 wrote:The problem with smite is that you can use it to farm shit instead of actually have to fight the other guy in lane. Hecarim was super toxic with this. Not only can he do the homeguard to lane to gank or just insta clear a wave base and homeguard again he can also just jungle if he's getting zoned. Show nested quote +On May 14 2015 05:38 Slusher wrote:On May 14 2015 05:33 Slayer91 wrote:On May 14 2015 05:25 NeoIllusions wrote:
Hec was a decent Jungler before. The real question is, does this make him better Jungler than Top Lane. Answer is still no.
"Answer is still no" -After his Q does 50% more damage than it did before -After his Q which he needs to spam in lane mosts 50% more mana. -After the cinderhulk smite duration is 50% less -After you've played how many games in both top and jungle hecarim this patch? How are you so sure? I mean he can just go back to ignite, the biggest problem, I'm guessing, is he will be harder to blind pick simply because you probably only want to play him into physical match ups so he can rush glacial, he's still way better top just because he isn't that good until he's pretty farmed, same reason he has always been a mid tier jungler despite being great late, if it hurts him enough to push him out of top he's like a better version of master yi, non terrible but not great ganks but puts a timer on the game with his scaling On May 14 2015 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
morg isnt weak in lane against supports she completely counters with her spellshield lol
just because stupid champions that should have been nerfed ages ago like thresh exist doesnt mean morgana is weak I think what he was saying (and what I am saying) is W damage is irrelevant to almost all of her match ups even the good ones. You're saying one of her spells is irrelevant? I get that its not essentially important but the ability to push the wave on a champion who relies on a skillshot is pretty huge. Getting stuck where you cant hit binding and when you lose trades can be bad but if you always outpush them this is never a concern.
That is the annoying part it makes her lose the losing matchups and is completely irrelevant in the winning like thresh/blitz/leona.
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I didn't think she needed to be nerfed, this change doesn't really change to much about the way she will operate so I guess in the end it's for the best but it is confusing why they though decreasing her push by 33% (which is probably the only REAL change as to how the lane will operate) just isn't a big deal
I'm just more confused in a why bother way
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