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[Patch 3.07: Nerf Everything Not Nami] General Discussion

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Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
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Last Edited: 2013-06-02 02:47:10
May 15 2013 21:27 GMT
#1
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There is no new champion this patch.

Patch 3.07: Live on May 16th, 2013
+ Show Spoiler [Patch Notes] +

Akali

These two changes are intended to give Akali's kit some utility. With Twilight Shroud now granting vision where it's placed, Akali can perform interesting jungle and lane jukes by first casting Twilight Shroud to gain vision of an enemy or jungle monster, and then using Shadow Dance as an escape tool. Overall, it should be a cool little trick that adds some depth to this ability.

  • Twilight Shroud
    • Now grants vision in the area of effect
  • Shadow Dance
    • Essence of Shadow charge time reduced to 30/22.5/15 seconds from 35/25/15

 

Caitlyn

Caitlyn was crowding out a lot of other AD champions with her potent siege capabilities and strong lane trading potential. We wanted to highlight her weakness to extended trades as a sniper by reducing her base attack speed.

Additionally, by removing the accrual of headshot stacks when attacking turrets, it'll be a little more difficult for Caitlyn to perpetually siege towers in early game while zoning out enemies with the threat of a headshot.

  • Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.668
  • Attack Speed per level increased to 4% from 3%
  • Headshot
    • No longer gains stacks when attacking structures

 

Cassiopeia

  • Twin Fang
    • Now counts as a single target spell for the sake of items like Rylai's Crystal Scepter

 

Diana

As a melee champion, Diana should have an inherent weakness to lane harass. These changes are to reduce some of the safe and efficient wave clear Diana was getting from auto-attacking with her shield up in lane.

The shield change will help Diana in mid- to late-game team fights when she needs to dive into multiple enemies to engage. Before the changes, Diana's shield refreshed almost immediately and she got no benefit from the first stack unless she took damage very quickly upon initiating. Now with her shields stacking on top of each other, Diana will gain a little more survivability in these kind of engagements.

  • Moonsilver Blade
    • Damage reduced to 20/25/30/35/40/50/60/70/80/90/105/120/135/155/175/200/225/250 (+0.6 Ability Power) from 20/25/30/40/50/65/80/95/110/125/140/155/175/195/215/240/265/290 (+0.6 Ability Power)
    • Range of the cleave behind Diana reduced
  • Pale Cascade
    • Total damage changed to 66/102/138/174/210 from 60/105/150/195/240
    • Shield reduced to 40/55/70/85/100 (+0.3 Ability Power) from 55/80/105/130/155 (+0.45 Ability Power)
    • The second application of the shield now stacks with the first shield instead of replacing it

 

Elise

Removing the bonus Armor and Magic Resist in Spider Form while increasing the ability power ratio on Skittering Frenzy will better position Elise's offensive capabilities and vulnerabilities. Elise continues to be a very strong lane bully; she will just need to think carefully about when she can win a trade.

  • Skittering Frenzy
    • Ability Power ratio increased to 0.04 from 0.02
  • Spider Form
    • No longer grants bonus Armor and Magic Resist

 

Jarvan IV

  • Demacian Standard
    • Vision radius of the Standard reduced to 700 from 850

 

Karma

  • Inner Flame
    • Mantra Bonus - Soulflare
      • Slow area now spawns directly under the primary target

 

Miss Fortune

Miss Fortune excels at trading in lanes, but her Impure Shots were building too quickly and dealing too much burst damage with the use of Double Up. With this change, Miss Fortune loses some of her burst potential, but will do around the same damage in extended trades.

  • Impure Shots
    • Passive
      • Max stacks increased to 5 from 4
      • Damage per stack reduced to 4/6/8/10/12 from 6/8/10/12/14 

 

Mordekaiser

  • Recommend items updated

 

Nami

These general usability buffs are for Nami to feel more impactful in team fights and skirmishes. In particular, with Surging Tides giving more movement speed and Aqua Prison having a longer stun duration, Nami players should feel better about playing aggressive in a lane.

  • Basic Attack Missile Speed increased to 1500 from 1350
  • Surging Tides
    • Bonus Movement Speed increased to 40 from 30
  • Aqua Prison
    • Stun duration increased to 1.5 seconds from 1.25

 

Nunu

Nunu naturally fits in the jungle with his strong objective control and high map mobility – these changes should add more depth within that role. Above all, we want Consume to be a cool spell –Consume has traditionally languished in late game for everything besides objective control, so making it an attractive spell with these changes adds more depth and rank-up incentive.

  • Consume
    • Damage increased to 600/700/800/900/1000 from 500/600/700/800/900
    • Healing reduced to 90/130/170/210/250 from 125/180/235/290/345
    • Healing ratio reduced to 0.75 from 1.0
    • Consume now grants bonuses for 120/150/180/210/240 seconds based on the type of monster consume was used on:
      • Golem-type monsters grant 10% increased size and maximum Health
      • Lizard-type monsters grant Nunu's attacks and spells additional magic damage equal to 1% of Nunu's maximum Health
      • Wraith or Wolf-type monsters grant 15% movement speed for 3 seconds after Nunu kills a unit

 

Quinn

  • Vault
    • Fixed a bug where Vault failed to interrupt targets that were immune to slows

 

Rammus

  • Puncturing Taunt
    • Can no longer target minions

 

Rumble

We did tone down some of Rumble's overall damage, but we also took this opportunity to make Danger Zone more impactful in Rumble's overall play. Here we've decided to increase his benefits for staying in the Danger Zone, so Rumble players will have more incentive to carefully manage their abilities.

  • Flamespitter
    • Damage decreased to 75/135/195/255/315 (+1.0 Ability Power) from 90/160/230/300/370 (+1.35 Ability Power)
    • Danger Zone damage bonus increased to 50% from 25%
  • Electro-Harpoon
    • Damage decreased to 45/70/95/120/145 (+0.4 Ability Power) from 55/85/115/145/175 (+0.5 Ability Power)

 

Syndra

  • Scatter the Weak
    • Improved detection of Dark Spheres at longer ranges

 

Twisted Fate

With his huge global map pressure in early and mid-game, we wanted to reduce Twisted Fate's overall power without hitting the core components that make him fun. We're changing the passive cooldown reduction on Stacked Deck to attack speed to take out some of the free power he was getting without much gameplay interaction. Additionally, given Destiny's high impact, we've brought it more in line with other global ability cooldowns

  • Pick a Card
    • Blue card now restores 50/75/100/125/150 Mana instead of 26/39/52/65/78 (+0.6 total Attack Damage)
  • Stacked Deck
    • No longer grants Cooldown Reduction
    • Bonus Attack Speed increased to 10/15/20/25/30% from 3/6/9/12/15%
  • Destiny
    • Cooldown increased to 180/150/120 seconds from 150/135/120
    • Tooltips updated

 

Udyr

  • Tiger Stance
    • Fixed a bug that caused Tiger Strike to only apply in the first 5 seconds of the stance

 

Varus

Hail of Arrows makes Varus very strong in lane trades and zoning enemies out, but the strength of this ability was crowding out the intended use of Piercing Arrow as a high-damage snipe. With these changes, Hail of Arrows still has its strength in area control but it no longer completely trumps Piercing Arrow as a method of proccing Blighted Quiver and dealing high burst damage.

  • Base Movement Speed reduced to 330 from 335
  • Piercing Arrow
    • Minimum damage increased to 10/47/83/120/157 from 10/43/77/110/143
    • Maximum damage increased to 15/70/125/180/235 from 15/65/115/165/215
    • Improved hit detection at the end of the missile
  • Hail of Arrows
    • Damage reduced to 65/100/135/170/205 from 65/105/145/185/225
  • Chain of Corruption
    • Improved hit detection at the end of the missile

 

Warwick

These are mostly quality of life changes for Warwick, who actually spent more time channeling Infinite Duress than he spent suppressing his target. Additionally, the fact that Warwick will now always place himself in front of the target rather than in a random location around them should add a little more strategic depth to who he suppresses and when.

  • Infinite Duress
    • Channel time reduced to 1.5 seconds from 2.1 (the target is still suppressed for the full 1.8 seconds)
    • Infinite Duress now always places Warwick in front of the target rather than a random spot around the target

 

Zac

For all of the utility and sustain he brings, Zac was just a little too strong across the board. These changes should tone him down in places where he had excessive power – reducing the burst power of his ultimate and his already unusually high sustain from bloblets.

  • Base Health Regen reduced to 7.0 from 12.5
  • Let's Bounce!
    • Damage reduced to 140/210/280 from 160/240/320
    • Fixed a bug where Let's Bounce! was applying a 0.25 Ability Power ratio on every bounce rather than 0.4 on the first bounce, halved on subsequent bounces
    • Tenacity reduced to 50% from 75%

 

Zed

As a resourceless champion, Zed was able to farm efficiently and safely without giving his opponent much opportunity for interaction. These changes should hit his wave clearing efficiency, especially at early levels. The vision reduction on Zed's Living Shadow was just to bring it more in line with other abilities of this type.

  • Razor Shuriken
    • Damage dealt to secondary targets reduced to 45/69/93/117/141 (+0.6 bonus Attack Damage) from 60/92/124/156/188 (+0.8 bonus Attack Damage)
  • Living Shadow
    • Vision radius of the Shadow reduced to 700 from 1300
  • Shadow Slash
    • Cooldown increased to 4 seconds from 3

Zyra

  • Thorn Spitter and Vine Lasher plants now correctly display their bonus damage from Ability Power
  • Thorn Spitter and Vine Lasher plants now benefit from Banner of Command's minion damage aura

 

 

Items

Mana Manipulator

  • Recipe changed: Faerie Charm + 120 gold = 300 total gold
  • Mana Warp Passive Aura reduced to 5 Mana Regen per 5 seconds from 6

 

Mikael's Crucible

Mikael's Crucible is a very strong item for supports who want to stay on the back line out of harm's way. Most supports, however, opt for Philosopher's Stone in early game, which makes them adverse to buying another high-sustain item like Mikael's Crucible. These changes also open up more diversity for supports when upgrading their Philosopher's Stone - Shurelya's offers more offensive and defensive disengage, but Mikael's Crucible offers more in-fight potential.

  • Recipe changed: Philosopher's Stone + Chalice of Harmony + 920 gold = 2500 total cost
  • Grants 7 Health Regen per 5 seconds from 0
  • Grants 18 Mana Regen per 5 seconds from 9
  • No longer grants Mana
  • Active Heal changed to "Heals for 150 + 10% of the target's Maximum Health" from "Heals for 150 + 15% of the target's Missing Health", Cleanse effect unchanged
  • Active travel time changed to 0.2 seconds from variable with distance
  • Fixed an issue with the hit effect particle

 

Shard of True Ice

  • Total cost reduced to 1600 gold from 1700
  • Mana Warp Passive Aura reduced to 5 Mana Regen per 5 seconds from 6

 

 

Summoner's Rift

While this change doesn't seem significant, it will help auto-attack reliant laners when trading against ability-based laners. Champions who rely on lane harassment through abilities typically don't draw minion attacks as much as auto-attack champions, and this disparity was forcing a lot of champions to opt for high-sustain starts in order to compensate. This change will have a larger overall effect on lane trading as the game progresses.

  • Caster Minions
    • Base Attack Damage reduced to 23 from 25

 

Howling Abyss

  • High Winds duration and intervals tweaked to match the pace of the music
  • Statue destruction algorithms tweaked to become more consistent throughout the match

 

Game Interface

  • Loss of Control UI
    • Loss of control indicators now appear underneath a player's nameplate when the player's champion is afflicted by a crowd control effect
    • A unique icon is displayed for each type of effect, and a shrinking progress bar indicates time remaining on the effect
    • When multiple, unique crowd control effects are active:
      • An additional icon is displayed for each unique effect type
      • The progress bar represents whichever effect has the longest remaining duration
      • Icons are removed as their associated effect type becomes inactive
    • Indicators are visible to the afflicted player, that player's team and the player who inflicted the crowd control effect

 

Co-op vs. AI

  • Fixed a bug that caused Co-op vs. AI games on Twisted Treeline to award more IP/XP than intended for games under 20 minutes
  • Fixed a bug that caused Co-op vs. AI games on Twisted Treeline to award less IP/XP than intended for games over 20 minutes

 

League System

  • Fixed a number of cases where icons on the league view were not showing up correctly

 

General

  • Custom Item Sets
    • Custom item sets can now be created and edited in the summoner profile.
    • Saved item sets appear as an option in the Recommended tab of the in-game item shop
    • Item sets can be associated with a specific champion, multiple champions or all champions
    • Item sets can be associated with a specific map, multiple maps or all maps
  • Silence, Taunt, Stun, Fear and Suppress effects have been updated with a new, consistent visual
  • Karthus' Requiem should no longer have a major FPS performance hit across all maps.
  • Rerolls in the ARAM queue will now prefer champions not being played by a member of the other team.
  • The 'Random Champion' option is no longer available in ranked game champion select.
  • Players who fail to connect to the game will now be granted the same bonus Magic Resistance/Armor that disconnected players receive.
  • Fixed a bug with certain AMD Radeon video cards when playing Dominion.
  • Players may now disable moving their champion via right-clicking on the minimap in the options menu.
  • Logitech G-Key, LED, and LCD technologies are now supported.
  • Fixed: Players joining private custom games in the PvP.net client were not able to submit passwords using the Enter key.
  • Adobe AIR no longer uses the Debug Launcher and has been updated to version 3.7. This should result in increased client stability.

 

With every patch, we strive to improve the look of the game in varying degrees. We recommend that you have the latest available video card drivers installed.



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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
May 15 2013 21:28 GMT
#2
Is saying first still frowned upon?

cuz, yeah.

User was warned for this post
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
May 15 2013 21:28 GMT
#3
Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.668



I'll miss you, Caitlyn.
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greggy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom1483 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 21:35:25
May 15 2013 21:29 GMT
#4
On May 16 2013 06:28 HazMat wrote:
Is saying first still frowned upon?

cuz, yeah.

so totally is

+ Show Spoiler +
third


User was warned for this post

edit:
Loss of Control UI
Loss of control indicators now appear underneath a player's nameplate when the player's champion is afflicted by a crowd control effect
A unique icon is displayed for each type of effect, and a shrinking progress bar indicates time remaining on the effect
When multiple, unique crowd control effects are active:
An additional icon is displayed for each unique effect type
The progress bar represents whichever effect has the longest remaining duration
Icons are removed as their associated effect type becomes inactive
Indicators are visible to the afflicted player, that player's team and the player who inflicted the crowd control effect


this is win
olabaz
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States298 Posts
May 15 2013 21:30 GMT
#5
TF seems terrible now
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
May 15 2013 21:31 GMT
#6
From previous thread

hmm. i was thinking about getting a new mouse because of osu, actually. the cursor just feels sluggish for some reason. problem is, i've been using the same mouse for like 10 years (intellimouse 3.0).


still i don't think that mouse will make me any better at league.

You know, I thought I'd need to spend some time getting used to the new mouse too but the new mouse was just magical. Like I just jumped into Osu! and started S-ranking things right away. I would see a circle pop up on the opposite side of the screen, I'd move my hand to it and it would just hit! No undershooting or overshooting or any of that nonsense.

The mouse had buttons on it that changed the dpi up and down, so I just fiddled with that until I found a setting that was comfortable. Didn't even need to open the control panel.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
May 15 2013 21:31 GMT
#7
TF picks will drop precipitously for a few months and then everyone will realize that he's still awesome the same way Karthus randomly resurged a few months after his supposedly crippling ult CD nerfs
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 15 2013 21:32 GMT
#8
On May 16 2013 06:28 Shikyo wrote:
Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.668



I'll miss you, Caitlyn.


Caitlyn is still going to be a bitch in lane. Someone should do the maths to figure out what her AS is at level 18 on 3.6 and what her AS is at level 18 on 3.7 because if she has higher AS late game it's ultimately a nerf early game and a buff late game.

Her headshot procs not stacking on towers is a good change, was kind of dumb that she would always have a headshot proc if she was sieging towers.
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 15 2013 21:32 GMT
#9
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 15 2013 21:34 GMT
#10
Having read through the patch notes finally, I just have to say "holy crap nerfs across the board"
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 21:34:37
May 15 2013 21:34 GMT
#11
On May 16 2013 06:32 MoonBear wrote:
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol


It is in ARAMs.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
May 15 2013 21:34 GMT
#12
On May 16 2013 06:32 MoonBear wrote:
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol


Trying to equate AD Kennen and AP Gangplank is the most offensive part to me.

Also, Neo not even trying to name the GD threads now.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 21:40:59
May 15 2013 21:36 GMT
#13
I like that Rammus change a lot, taunting minions so annoying >_>

Keep buffing Karma pls, I want more elo

Also, Nami buffs woot, just keep buffing her please. Increased movespeed from passive means I chase almost as good as Vayne now. (Yes I play AD Nami, she honestly doesn't even really need items to be supporty her kit is so good already)
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
May 15 2013 21:38 GMT
#14
On May 16 2013 06:34 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 06:32 MoonBear wrote:
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol


It is in ARAMs.

I have never seen an AP Gangplank, like ever.

Also, Nami becoming stealth OP. I'm going to go collect that hipster cred soon.
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-15 21:44:15
May 15 2013 21:38 GMT
#15
On May 16 2013 06:28 Shikyo wrote:
Base Attack Speed reduced to 0.625 from 0.668



I'll miss you, Caitlyn.

Attack Speed per level increased to 4% from 3%

Hardly will be the death of her.

And
Players may now disable moving their champion via right-clicking on the minimap in the options menu.

I wonder how many people will actually use this feature after complaining about it so much.
Banishment
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany102 Posts
May 15 2013 21:38 GMT
#16
Man, they hit some of those champs hard. Luckily, I didnt really play any of those (I played Twisted and Varus but i really suck with them anyways :D). But Elise, Twisted, Rumble and Varus are basically dead now. Varus wasnt really the best pick for normal games already. But now? His Q is just flat out bad.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
May 15 2013 21:38 GMT
#17
On May 16 2013 06:34 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 06:32 MoonBear wrote:
Wait is AP Gangplank a thing? I don't get the Patch Spotlight lol


Trying to equate AD Kennen and AP Gangplank is the most offensive part to me.

Also, Neo not even trying to name the GD threads now.

hey you, I don't name GD threads, I just borrow from what Riot labels their patches. This one is simply 3.7.
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ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
May 15 2013 21:39 GMT
#18
It's about time zed got the nerf bat.
TL+ Member
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
May 15 2013 21:40 GMT
#19
Moonsilver Blade
Damage reduced to 20/25/30/35/40/50/60/70/80/90/105/120/135/155/175/200/225/250 (+0.6 Ability Power) from 20/25/30/40/50/65/80/95/110/125/140/155/175/195/215/240/265/290 (+0.6 Ability Power)

Holy mother of levels.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
May 15 2013 21:40 GMT
#20
Nami's gonna end up being completely nuts if they keep buffing her. She's already viable, Riot should hold up on buffs until LCS resumes or they're gonna buff her into OP territory (if she isn't there already).
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