• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:00
CEST 15:00
KST 22:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202559RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8Team TLMC #5 - Submission re-extension4
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings What tournaments are world championships? RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Dewalt's Show Matches in China [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? [G] Mineral Boosting Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Post Pic of your Favorite Food! The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 913 users

[Patch 3.07: Nerf Everything Not Nami] General Discussion…

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 348 349 350 351 Next
Looks like we're back to status quo. Hope more of you lurkers unburrow and talk with us. :3

If you have any issues or comments about the new design, feel free to PM Neo.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 22:54:52
June 10 2013 22:54 GMT
#6981
To buff Skarner, buff (better, redesign) E.
twitch.tv/cratonz
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
June 10 2013 22:56 GMT
#6982
On June 11 2013 07:43 Slusher wrote:
I just don't think thats his role anymore after these changes.


Possibly. Evolved W is still going to be strong poke and strong lane sustain (while costing less mana). Sure you lose out on 190 damage from your passive but 235 (+1.0 bonus AD) is still a lot of poke for an assassin. Especially if you're hitting more than 2 people with it.

And you'll probably be building Manamune anyways since Muramana is so good but even if you don't it's no big deal because W costs 25 less mana now. I dunno, I think people are so used to playing Kha'Zix as this guy who pokes and then jumps in to assassinate that it'll be weird to see him played as a straight assassin. Especially since, I would argue, that the only reason Kha'Zix is popular is because of his poke.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
June 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#6983
W isn't just straight up "bad" now, but the jumping in part without R and E evolve WILL be
Carrilord has arrived.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:08:25
June 10 2013 23:00 GMT
#6984
Skarner E is called fracture. How about a skill that actually fits in line with that.

Skarner fractures the ground in front of him, dealing X damage, and the same damage again over N seconds. Enemies who remain on fractured ground take 2/4/6/8/10% additional damage.

Let's face it, the heal aspect of skarner's E is kinda terrible.

The graphics animation could be the standard cracked earth, with a glow depending on the skin(blue, green, red)
Porouscloud - NA LoL
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 10 2013 23:04 GMT
#6985
On June 11 2013 07:56 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 07:43 Slusher wrote:
I just don't think thats his role anymore after these changes.


Possibly. Evolved W is still going to be strong poke and strong lane sustain (while costing less mana). Sure you lose out on 190 damage from your passive but 235 (+1.0 bonus AD) is still a lot of poke for an assassin. Especially if you're hitting more than 2 people with it.

And you'll probably be building Manamune anyways since Muramana is so good but even if you don't it's no big deal because W costs 25 less mana now. I dunno, I think people are so used to playing Kha'Zix as this guy who pokes and then jumps in to assassinate that it'll be weird to see him played as a straight assassin. Especially since, I would argue, that the only reason Kha'Zix is popular is because of his poke.


If you guys are right about this than it will just expose how broken Zed really is.
Freeeeeeedom
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:07:10
June 10 2013 23:05 GMT
#6986
On June 11 2013 07:54 Craton wrote:
To buff Skarner, buff (better, redesign) E.


the only problem with skarner E is that its he has 3 skills which scale evenly instead of a 1 point wonder spell so even if it isnt that much worse than q theres no reason to waste mana on a level 1 spell

its kinda like soraka q
its possible to play with q max but soraka usually is vs double ranged so its never worth it because the mana cost goes up too high while heal is too good
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:09:31
June 10 2013 23:08 GMT
#6987
Can't you just not evolve Q still though? 8% missing health is nice but if you're not poking people down it'll really only matter for your second Q since first Q they're likely to be full or near full health (and by the second Q they'll probably be isolated in any situation that isn't a team fight).

Like, if you play Kha'Zix as a straight up assassin evolving Q>E>R you might as well just play a different assassin. But you could still play Kha'Zix the way you used to with W>E>R and still assassinate people just as hard as you used to with lower mana cost and with more damage reduction on R at the cost of a weaker poke.

Evolve Q seems like something that'll be stronger in lane, especially top lane, but evolve W is still strong in lane and definitely probably stronger in team fights.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:58:47
June 10 2013 23:08 GMT
#6988
On June 11 2013 07:33 Frolossus wrote:
back to annie for a bit, but does anyone think that the combination of health + mr AND the mana cost reduction on tibbers is a little bit too much for her?

It is. I've been rocking a 70% winrate with her on my way back to Diamond and she's perfectly fine atm.
Buffing her will just make her fotm/broken.

EDIT : boots change is also a buff to her since she LOVED opening boots.
The legend of Darien lives on
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
June 10 2013 23:11 GMT
#6989
One thing that really irritates me about high AD scaling is that those champions gain a lot because it affects their spells and autoattacks. Having strongly scaling autoattacks is huge but people seem content to just spell spam and let that carry them. Your farming is easier, when spells are on CD you still deal strong damage and in general everyone's cooldowns are getting to a point where the difference between AP and AD burst is growing smaller and smaller.

Hm. Once AD scaling was a cool concept but it seems a bit overdone now with people left and right having AD scaling. I do wonder...
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:22:06
June 10 2013 23:20 GMT
#6990
On June 11 2013 08:08 overt wrote:
Like, if you play Kha'Zix as a straight up assassin evolving Q>E>R you might as well just play a different assassin.


he still has the best escape with E evolve.


On June 11 2013 08:11 MoonBear wrote:
One thing that really irritates me about high AD scaling is that those champions gain a lot because it affects their spells and autoattacks. Having strongly scaling autoattacks is huge but people seem content to just spell spam and let that carry them. Your farming is easier, when spells are on CD you still deal strong damage and in general everyone's cooldowns are getting to a point where the difference between AP and AD burst is growing smaller and smaller.

Hm. Once AD scaling was a cool concept but it seems a bit overdone now with people left and right having AD scaling. I do wonder...


I somewhat agree, but it is possible to get like 3x the possible AP than AD.
Carrilord has arrived.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 10 2013 23:20 GMT
#6991
On June 11 2013 08:11 MoonBear wrote:
One thing that really irritates me about high AD scaling is that those champions gain a lot because it affects their spells and autoattacks. Having strongly scaling autoattacks is huge but people seem content to just spell spam and let that carry them. Your farming is easier, when spells are on CD you still deal strong damage and in general everyone's cooldowns are getting to a point where the difference between AP and AD burst is growing smaller and smaller.

Hm. Once AD scaling was a cool concept but it seems a bit overdone now with people left and right having AD scaling. I do wonder...


Wait what? When was it cool?
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:34:30
June 10 2013 23:34 GMT
#6992
On June 11 2013 08:05 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2013 07:54 Craton wrote:
To buff Skarner, buff (better, redesign) E.


the only problem with skarner E is that its he has 3 skills which scale evenly instead of a 1 point wonder spell so even if it isnt that much worse than q theres no reason to waste mana on a level 1 spell

its kinda like soraka q
its possible to play with q max but soraka usually is vs double ranged so its never worth it because the mana cost goes up too high while heal is too good


They should put Skarner's healing from E to his Q (with nerfs), then redesign a new E that does %max health damage.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:38:17
June 10 2013 23:36 GMT
#6993
Hoooly shit this patch.

Jungle changes
Item (omg boots / dring! ) changes
Champ nerfs/buffs

Fuck me, next couple of weeks are going to be fun!

Annie OP
My poor pony
Dat kha.

I feel like Mid / jungle are going to see alot of changes from this, mid because of the dring / boots changes. Its viable to start dring + 2 now, like dayum.
Useless wet fish.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
June 10 2013 23:39 GMT
#6994
Any single buff to Skarner stats/damage/tankiness/mana efficiency would be welcome. The thing is that alongside the at first reasonable nerfs his most core item got nerfed to the ground, especially for junglers. That was quite sad.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:47:02
June 10 2013 23:42 GMT
#6995
I wrote on the official forums back in the day that madreds was a terrible item because it has a random factor, I think morello said it was some sort of fun factor that the jungle was so random.


Also jungle changes are bad for Eve and Rengar. The 2 champions I enjoy playing the most. Not to mention that my team have been practicing solo bot purple side. :S
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-10 23:47:42
June 10 2013 23:43 GMT
#6996
Is that how they buff Ashe?...
They should make something like 100stack will stun/freeze the enemy for 0.5sec or something.

Or better yet. Make her passive work with her Q. If Q is toggling on, it will crit, if Q is toggling off, it will stun.

GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
June 10 2013 23:46 GMT
#6997
We've improved consistency for abilities that behaved inconsistently when the targeted enemy uses Flash.
Volibear's Rolling Thunder


Literally made my day. Hot damn.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
June 10 2013 23:53 GMT
#6998
On June 11 2013 07:53 Ketara wrote:
The jungle changes are going to help absolutely everybody and just be great.


i think nobody is going to want to leash at all
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
MidnightGladius
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
China1214 Posts
June 10 2013 23:57 GMT
#6999
Instead of leasing wolves->blue or wraiths->red, you'll just get a leash at blue or red. As that will allow you to hit lv2, the rest of the route shouldn't be significantly different from before.
Trust in Bayes.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 11 2013 00:00 GMT
#7000
Now I'm wondering how the level 1 will turn out in the jungle since you have no incentive to do small camps. At least in soloQ you won't be able to position yourself by the blue buff bush while they do wolves and catch them there for example.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Prev 1 348 349 350 351 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Esports World Cup
11:00
2025 - Final Day
Solar vs ClassicLIVE!
Cure vs TBD
Serral vs TBD
EWC_Arena13002
ComeBackTV 3447
TaKeTV 704
Hui .577
JimRising 319
Fuzer 263
3DClanTV 259
Rex244
EnkiAlexander 169
CranKy Ducklings121
Reynor112
BRAT_OK 62
SpeCial37
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
EWC_Arena13002
Hui .577
JimRising 319
Fuzer 263
Rex 244
Reynor 112
BRAT_OK 62
UpATreeSC 54
SpeCial 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Nal_rA 5920
Horang2 5474
Shuttle 2641
Bisu 2018
BeSt 1244
EffOrt 855
Larva 657
Barracks 415
actioN 375
Mini 372
[ Show more ]
Stork 343
Soma 211
ggaemo 210
Snow 186
JYJ137
TY 130
Hyun 130
Backho 110
Soulkey 109
sorry 81
Rush 64
Sharp 41
sSak 35
Sacsri 19
Shinee 18
Aegong 15
soO 13
Terrorterran 12
Stormgate
BeoMulf76
Dota 2
Gorgc4053
XcaliburYe218
KheZu93
420jenkins88
League of Legends
febbydoto3
Counter-Strike
fl0m1669
sgares151
Other Games
gofns6887
singsing2068
B2W.Neo1486
Beastyqt598
KnowMe202
ArmadaUGS102
QueenE77
djWHEAT32
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV401
League of Legends
• Nemesis4690
Upcoming Events
OSC
1h 1m
CranKy Ducklings
21h 1m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 1h
CSO Cup
1d 3h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 5h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
FEL
1d 20h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Online Event
4 days
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.